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The regalar nee- t agt of the Plym u h Planning Coiismission was called ,"-o order 1.11 the
council Chambers of the Plymonth City 'Center'a 0 krmc; Boulevard at 7.-30
P.M. hy
MEMBERS PRESEM
and Hetchler
DEQ : Commissioner Steigerwald
TA fail T Community Deb rrt Directo4r Blair Tretriere, Cor,,,nu ;t Develop-
nzent Coordinator Mary Ray and Planning Secretary Barbara Anderson
IOTION by Co.-znssimr Barron, seconded by Comjmisoner Larson to approve the
Minutes of the September 10, 1980 meeting wit'wit'h the following two changes-
Page m Commilssioner Barron stated that he prefers not to deny he concept but
To arnrove it with conditions and ease it on to the City i l and they can either
annrove or deny i, but hefeels that the Council should -review it at this stage w
Page ; Mr. Val Schegloviski, rat'a Lane North, stated that he was concerned
Wb 6ut the development--*
MOTIONS CARRIED 5-0-1 Comtzdssioner W.
Dion CiLy Jr - Amend Conditional (Ise Permit
I"he reading of the September 19, 1980 staff report was waived.Mr ., Glenn M. Farmer
was,present on behalf of dein Cite Mission and stated he had nothing to add to the
staff report.
Chairwoman Vdsiliou stated that this was a public hearing and inquired whether
thane was anyone present who wished to speak on this item. There was no response
and rai r ! aan Vasiliou ten closed the public hearin
1 f Commissioner a a l seconded omm ss ner ettiil r .
this petition this evening.
MOTION' CARRIED 6-0-v ALL IN FAVOR
MOTION' mm mi ss n r Pauba,, seconded arra ss loner detchler to recoi r.-,1*4- approval
f the a> rrdm en Co, the conditional use permit for Union City Nl ss' n litc. located
n the southeast quadrant of 36th Ave North and Zachary Laneul Cast Medicine
Lake Boulevard subject to thelowin nd 't rt .
I& The permit is subject to all applicable codes, regulations acrd drd ol. c s and
violation therof shall be grounds for revocation.
2. The permit is issued to the petitioner as operator; of the facility end s a!l
not be transferable.
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3.fat` rc expansion of parking and driving r shell be s t to, plan approval
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OTITON CARRIED on a roll call vote,: six eyes,
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t.1. Jas Conditional Use Permit
and Variance
she reading of the Septeuo.ber 19, 1983 staff report, was waived and Co'4'.Imunity Develop:
ment. Coordinator 4a ry Ray showed slides the site.
Chairiviomen Vasiliou inquired th the Jacobs ;find Electric Coi:ipanyw
s r`y of Control a s Corporation which had appeared before the planning Commission
twice for conditional use re s for two, towers to be located on their site on
iarshi rye Lane.
Chairwoman Vasiliou also inquired about the outside storage in the rear of the
site, Staff stated 't'hat there are no permits issued for outside storage at this
location at this i according to the owner the tenant involved w he leaving
the Premises and the storage should be removed
C rm,ilss n r Barron stated that the Cominission can put a condition on their approval
of the conditional use permit that ,the site east be cleaned up as direction to
Mr. Raddatz, the owner of the building, to comply in order to accomodate this
t o rr ,, the Jacobs Wind Electric Company.
N1 1 W * yap his I Paul Jacobs wltere peias* ir* Paul ate-be
stated that Control Data was a minor stockholder i n their mpary,' and they were
in no way a subsidiary of that c, parry. lie stated that Control Data was doing
research ora effective energy generation 01 the (f wind generAlors, and had
i=-ust d in the Jacobs Wind Electric Company for titat reason,.
He also stated that they have no authority to clean Up the site as it as, beyond
4 Their jurisdiction as tenants. He stated that they can suggest to Mr. Raddatz
that he clean it up, but the only area they have any control over is the land they
are currently leasing, Commissioner Hhl r n r tinted that, he has viewed their
site and the south area is dear of storage -where the tower is propose=d*
1 r, Jacobs explained the business and the reason why they wished to erect a toner
on this site was to test the components of the product and also use it to demonstrate
it to prospective buyers. Commissioner Pduba inquired why ' the tower ndl d not be
located next the building instead the rear V the rop rty. Mr M. L. Jacobs
responded that this was the property they have leased From IMor. Raddatz and that is
why the tower has located 'th iIs da d close theh din it l
interfere with the paved parking atea adjacent tothe building. Discussion ensued
regarding the location of the tower and the storage on the site. Commissioner
arson inquired why the tower could not be located on the roof of the building and
Mr. M. L. Jacobs stated that the tower was made. of steel and it was too heavy for.
the roof to support this type of structure without additional reinforcing which was
economically unfeasible.
Commissioner Wir n u r d about access to the-nfvi r particularly if the- site to
the south is developed. Mr., NO Jacobs stated .. ,,cess from one side was adequate.
SSIOU MINUIES -3- September 24,, 1980
Mr. Parol Jacobs submitteded a copy of a letter which they had submitted
earlier WhOch had been signedDy their neig `) rs along with the property owner
indicating support of this use.
Chairwoman Vasillou declared the public hearing open.
Vis. Judyiii , 2645 Fernbrook .ane, inquired whether there could he a lot of
noise from his use. Mr. Paul Jacobs responded that the only noise woul c be that
of she wind bowing, as through trees.
Mr. Paul Jacobs discussed the matter of security for the tower and passed around
a i l of heir construction. He tedphographsorsdei
that if some,;:Pe wanted to climb a '.ower, they would clfirr0 it, and a security fence
was not a deterrent,, but actually an attraction, since if someone can climb ;' tower
They can climb a security, fence. Northern State ft-wer Comp,any has marry towers
located in the Plymouth Area and they are not required to f1me heir structures.
They request equal treatment for all energy industries.
Staf4' inquired why they need to have this }:ow r on this site. qtr. Paul Jacobs
stated that they need to test components which they manufacture. He; stated that
it also could serve as a demonstration model.'ori iss over Larson inquired about
what could fail on this system, and Pim-. Pani Jacobs stated that the main thing
that destroys w1 nd generators is tornadosl` however they need to test out thleir
parts for wear, etc
Commissioner Paulba inquired whether they have already signed the lease with Mir,
Raddatz, and Mr. M. L. Jacobs responded in the affirmative. He stated that h rf.
are so many tow rs to this ax ea that they, felt }sure it would not be a problem; they
had no clause in the lease that would terminate it in the event of denial by the
Planning Corniission and City Councilk
Chairwoman Vasiliou closed the public hearing.
MOTION by Commissioner Barron, seconded by Commissioner qetchler to take codon on
this petition this evening.,
MOTION CARRIED 6-0-0 ALL IN FAVOR
Commissioner Wire commented' on the site and its condition, and stated he was
concerned regarding all the outside storage and debri s .; he stated he would lie to
see it cleared up as soon as possible. He observed the tower location seemed to be
determined Ly lease terms and the outside storage,.
Staff cornsmAnted that the owner of the bui di.. has co-signed the application and
s responsible for the property. ommissionq ire inquired whether the City had
ontactea 4he owner and informed him that the outside storage on this property was
in volatidrr of the Ordinance, staff sated that the City has discussed this with
V!r. Raddatz and he seeris to be working to get it cleaned map; however, the Planning
Commission can make a decision on this petition independently of that issue.
MOTION by CommissionerBarron-, seconded by CommissionerWire to recommendapproval
of the Conditional use permit and variance for the Jacobs Wind Electric Company, at
27ZO FernbrookLane subject to the following conditions:
S INNIl COMINUSSION MIN T -4- September 24,x.980
1. The perrit is subject',to, all applicable rules, r u a ions, and ordinances, and
violationwh r aT SFIdl De JrQunds for revocation.
2. Effective measures shall be taken to prevent public interference.
3. Construction to be per applicable Building Code requirements.
Safety in operation and conditional use permit ie d one year after
installation.
5. Minfinum setback distance from prope-ty lines shall be 5 feet.
The site mu5t be cleared of all deb - : fore erection of the tower is
permitted.
comni s s i owi3 a { S o sr' h-w- ii4 $! Yui thiq Votition is # ewe one year from now,
he would not be favor of renewin it unless the site has been cleared nor.
Commissioner Hetch r stated that he fee's it is unfair to hold this petitioner
back because of the condition of the land someone else isleasing; the portion of
the site under the petitioner's lease is cleared.
MOTION by Con.miss on r Hetchler, seconded by Cowls s A ner Wire to amend the main
motion to delete condition
MOTION tARRTED On d roll call vote, fur ayes, Commissioners Barron and Vasillou
opposed#
Chairwoman Vasiliou caned for -a vote on the Main Motion as once amended.
Tei CARRIED on a roll call vote, six ayes.
Commissioner Wire stated that he wouldlike to see some positive action on the part
of the City to get this site cleared Grp. Staff responded that they will pursue
written,means to accomplish this; the owner knows the storage is in violation of
the Ordinance.
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The reading of the September I' P. 1980 staflF report was waived. fir. George pdehim n
was present n behalf f Wagner $pray Tech. Th ad was no one present who wished to
speak on this issue. hairitlmgin Vasillou closed the Dahl is hearing.
MOTION,by Commissioner Wire,, seconded by Commissioner pasha to take action on this
petition this evening.
MOTION CARRIED 6-0-0 ALL IN FAVOR
MOTION 'ormiss over* Wire, seconded. by Commissioner Hetchler to recommend approval
of th6 rezoning for Wagner Spray T* -ch Co. for both the east and west portions of
the site.
MOTION CARRIED on a roti call vote, six ayes*
Septamber 24, 19,'56
Use 141 e Plan
The reading of the Se,ntember 19, 1980 stalff rejptort was wa ve . -1r- Jerry etcher,
9907 - 37th Ae u N *v, was present reps esemi ng Plymouth covenant 'Church. Mr.
utc#:er requested tli4t the Planoing Cominissionconsider post pon,-,ient of the install-
atiGn of sone of 'te plantings o, the landscape elan ana they hail interided them to
he installed iL the future,; pr ab . the next t1vtoo three gear$ #
Staff stated that tui.e issue is the existing na"Cural a e i t, 3 es wh te.h we i - c I ud ed
in er ig r a plica ion f he tands a criteria. The ordinance requires
effective screqning of pi-rking lots from residential properties, and this should be
addressed by she Commission.
Chairwoman Vasiliou stated that this was a public hearing; them was no one present
Ducar than the petiltioner who fished tv speak onthis a-,3enda Item.
Mir- Butcher sated th,o t theyhave a large nue ber of plantings already on the
site in addition to those proposed to be installed. Discussion ensued rearm
the various varieties of plant materials existing on the site and these which ai-e
proposed to be instaTlel, and the most effective landscape approach- brat could b
taken to accomplish comp x-nce with the ordinanice r°e urem encs ecus --ion ensued
regarding the screening of the parking lot area adjacent to the residential
neighborhood and measures which would -provide effective screening and buffering.
Staff recomm nded against long -terms deferral of installing ant -i ns d r d to
be required. Mr. Butcher stated the petitioner Auld comply with the landscape
cr tecta. Staff Mated the Plann-Irrg Department'-, could work withfh petitioner as
to ,seen ng along Vicksburg Laneo
Chairwoman Vasiliou closed the ` public haring.
MUION by Coimmissioner Wire, second -d by COMM4SSioner Hetchler to take action on
this petition -k-his evening.
TIONCARRIED ALL IN FAVOR
MOTION by Commissioner Wire, seconded b m i ss i oner Pauba to recommend approval
f the rezoning frw, R -I ,, conditional use permit and site plan -dor Plymouth
Covenant Church located in the northeast quadrant of the intersection of,vicksburg
Lane and County Road g subject: to the following (oridi ions
e lia ce with the City Engineer's Memr a.
m All wasars ease a hers shall be stared i h the structure and no
outside rtorage is permitted.
R Compliance with City Council, Policy 'Resoluticti No. 79-80 regarding In mu
floor elevations for new stn?Uc ures in subdivisions or on sites adjacent to
or containing any open storm water drainage facility.
4. Location of fire hydrantss and fire lanes per City Code.
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CA p is n with the Ordinance regarding;curbing and drainage r it ,, s
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6:,, Submission required financial guarantee for coripletion of the site
ft4 roverients terred for 24 months.
7. The signage shall be installed in accordance with the submitted s to plan
and detailed sign information.
8. Provisions for afoot. wide right-of-way for"rail rp above the
t,10 Year Flood Elevations extendingOrth soh Turtle
detailed, gas to be s brained to and p d by the y engineer.
9. Any expansion of the b ldi of the seating capacity or of the site shall
be subjectOrdinance approval requirementso,
10. The landscape materials shall be adjusted and arranged provide s r en-
inV along the parking area iu the viest sidea`,nq Vicksburgr .an and around
the northeast corner of the log fre4 the. a jresidential neighborhood
and shall m ordinance r u g re s for s r n a and buffering.
MOTION CARRIED ,_ on aa roll call `dote s ^- ayes* s
r #r. R. Davideit, 4420 Vicksburg Lane, inquired how far it was fram the north end
of parking lot to the north boundary line. Mr. Butcher responded that i ' gas
bout 450 feed and they intended to lames it in its natural sate.
pity of lymdh dorso nig
The reading of the September 19, 1980 staff report was waived. Staff commented
that this was a corrective -action brought by tyre City to rectify an error made on,
the new City zoning map.
ChairwomanChairwtoman Vasiliou stated that h-. s was a public hearing, ing, There was no` one present
regarding this item, and Chairwoman Vasil ou closed the public hearing.
110N by co'n'Missioner Paubai, seconded -by Commissioner Larson to take action on
this petition this evening.
MOTION CARSM 6-0-0 ALL IN FAVOR
MOTION bit Codi *sinner Hetchler, seconded by Commissioner Pauba to reco=end approval
f the rezoning for the Vision of Glory Lutheran Church Site as sought b ' the City of
Plymouth from - (planned industrial) District to 11-1A low density single family
rsd1District.
MOTION CARRIED 6-0-0 ALL 1.4FAVOR
The meeting recessed at 8:45 P.M. and resumed at 8.55 P.M.
avid 'I. Callsarra Use Permitw.+..,ww,...
Reading f hec,tl ar 19, al9so staffw,, Development
L,.)ordinator IMary Pay ste rid slides of the site. Chairwoman asr r rioted thvit
vid Carlson,, petitioner, vAis present,
4 petition from neighborhood r sid nts was Presented to the Planning Commissionand
ha rwor, n vatilioqnstructled;it to be entered into the file.
Chairwomanwoman Vl u declared the public < hearingn opens
Mr. Bob Klink, 16020 12th Avenue North,, s pill that they4d not like tha traffic
generated in their by this use - having- strarriers, dr k i through.
They don't art, to h ie a business in their .silent rr c;hh rh I, and 1141r-
Carlson
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Carlson has been'operating a t) si s
P. -Ir. D. 14. Erickson, 15916 - 14th Free€sue North, stated that 'fie is Deposed to having
a real estate sales office in their'residential neighborhood.
Chairwoman Vasiliou stated; that she vi. =ted the site of the operation on Tuesday
and Wednesday eo ,,'I and n both occasions she 'observed no less than six cars
parked out in fr-i-Ant. She observed the site for over an 1.)ur and no one left the
model ho -we.,
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ti Carlson stated that represents his w firm and no CenturionCompany.
e has a real estate, saes office in the Twelve Oaks Center in Minnetonka alld does
not meedwo, offices,, He explainedg e from Te as had been s i-nthe
f'` de o And were "@ 1''8a.4^&s _..i d'Yta`S3 L k"_aI ' hlcly*A j r which a,'r^, what 1^ a zr. S wx s 'ea.+R:w wsex sumer t 87 s .. :acy_i.." ,, hich was what 8.tha triw dl
as 1 i d had observed, when she visited the site. He stated that this was a model
hone and i Lias for sale and he would like to sell it as soon as possible. He does
no Y e a secretary, there, he has a licensed real for ;there duringing the day to sell
the homes. fie stated ",here were three desks on the prem.ivs which would he removed
the next Ciy,, and; replaced by a table with chairs.
He stated that he plans to locate in a differerit area but would like to use this
as a model aome. He stated that he does not feel he has devalued the neighbor's
property since his model hogs is, more attractive than the vacant lot which was
there before he constructed his hogs.
a rwoman Vasiliou stated that his cormercial use of this;honte was in viola:ion
of the Ordinance and this use does not meet the criteria under which a model home
is allowed d he used as a sales office# r.`` Carlson `stated that h wa 'ia* ing a
continuous open house", and inquired whether every real estate office was a condi-
tional
and -
ria use. Commissioner Larson co,.imented that whanever you staff an office it I
a business and he does not feel that this is gust an 'fun house",, but is a
business.
Staff explained the Ordinance t., -'terra regarding d v pmr€s which are permitted
to have a model home and a conditional use permit to use them as real estate sales
offices*_
Mr. Carlson inquired whether it would be appropriate d remove the desks and use;
the house on a continuous open house basis. Staff inquired whether or not it was
his own Personal r siden . Mr, Carlson said that no one lived in tete house.
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S-'taff inquired whether this house is a r,Iodel house hich can have built #s -
ia9.s r 4 r'i '4 'II 8' .usn for le M.r. C r1 .n. es e'atat e ' 3th E i f` y#. e rs` ov d hlei8sx,ax "x+s ;. a, T ift- i +S FL&si.Y +d Am 'A Lp b tiT€E # w it. 'ssHi '!. .w& f h#F5 i R".n +.$$a:4+3' Le $SQA T ` $ ALS i'MSS.R aES
sales meetings to his real estate officewould that solve the problem. Ce!Ti!)i s s i one
Barron inquired whether either of the & homes had been sold, and r4r. Carlson
stated that the goose next eoor to his vyodel was, sold* Commissioner Barren asked
that in the event }people cage tc see this house, but couldn't afford its did they
sell gram a less expensive one4 fir- Carlson responded r- i t i vel; . Coramissionar
Barron stated that that was a business, not an open house. appears b k
sales " rn entire Twin Cities area and' beyond
that.
Mr. Wesley W nb , 1174 s nn ,. stated that the previous evening share were
gyres sales persons insi e she house, but no one was there viewing
Chaim-,,Dain Vasiliou closed the public hearing.
MWIONI by Commissioner Pauba,, seconded by Connimissioner Larson to take action on
this petition this evening.
M01110N CARRIED 6-0-0 L IN FAVOR
A ° ION by Comunissioneruba, seconded !.-y Commss n r Larson to re omn., denial
err the conditional, use permit r°ec for David R. Carlsonto use the goose o to
at 15900 - 12th Avenue North at an office or as a continuous open Louse*
Commissioneriss 1,11ire stated than the petitioner has not demonstrated compliance with
the rd ren e requirements -, a model home temporary sales office; using
s da sales office for an area b `€ -d tne ilmmmm;diate area which- is
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tnmi ss loner 'Barron stated that it is not a home ocr.upation since no one lives on
the, prises
Chairwoman Vasiliou stated that she feels the effect on the neighborhood is not a
positive Sarre,,
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MOTION CARRIED on a roll call vete, six ayes.
bean. e Ire Subdivision Variance
for Lot Division
There was no one present on, behalf of Phoenix
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1utuaT Life Insurance Co. Chairwoman
Vasillou stated that they would defer consideration of this item until the end of
the e jrd .
erre'jn Sign A2proval,
The reading of the Septemberber ' 1980 staff report was waived, Mr. Al Sterner of
Attracta Signs and fir. Bob Alton of ;-i is Company were present*
pk S' 8d" rtes ' s wpm R '* LANANI MINN" TE - September 2 ., 1980
Cemmaissioner Larsoti inquired how inany signs were proposed. Yr. Sterner stated that
they viere proposing a freestandirgsigri a wall sign and individual na' m signs
for each tenant. The 11"reestandir4 sign and wall sign will be for the primary, use
which is Holsum Bakery Mrd the individual wail signs will for each tenant.
Staff explained the s ft n ordinance and stated that she petitioner does not exceed
theordin-ance maxif-twis for signs err buildings in Industrially zoned areas. The
Building Official a s thata o at a rgrAa basis t4ex Tav less t n the
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nn: issi rn r Barron inquired about the nameplate signs for tenants, and whether
they would be unifomsize and color. fir. Sterner stated that they would probably
use the saes size and the individual logos of the tenants would be on a simllai*
background to the rest of the signs,
Mr., Alton stated that they wanted si ft that would indicate the identity of their
building from the east, and the wall sign would handle that. The freestanding sign
would take care of the westerly direction, -they wanted the tenant signs to be
visible rm. Ranchview, Lane which x s why they are proposing them to be'8 square
feet as opposed to the ordinance standard of 4 square feeter. m s*gds.
RMlissi ner Larson stated that he is concerned that the Planning Ccs-.4-nis i n should
nsi s en t regar'"Ing permitted signage, and he feels that they sold stay within
h- ordinance st ndardsquare feet, Discussion ensured regarding signage
and business 4fjtifiCation.
MOTION y Chairtio.man Wisiliou, seconded by Commissioner 8airon to approve the sign
proposal for Al Sterner/Attracta Sign Co. for Holsuin Bakery located in, the north-
ast quadrant f the intersection of Ranchview Lane with 30th Avenue subject to the
iollowing conditions. -
1. The permit is subject to all applicable codes and regulations
Signs shall be installed per submitted plans and 'individually inmt all
Ordinance requirements or size including nameplate signs.
YWI 4 CARRIED 6-0-0 A!4, - Y4 'F4VOR
srrSubdiisin Variance
for Lot Division
Staff reviewed the 'September 19, 1980 'Staff Report and gave an overview of the
his-ory surrounding the petition* No one etas present 0,n b half of Phoenix f,ti
Life Insurance Company,
MOTION by Commissioner -Brrn, seconded by Conmnissioner lietchler t rexcemmend denial
f the subdivision ver,tarns for "dot division for Phoenix Mlut4al Life Insurance Co.
I for the followipg reasons:
I. The proposed parcel i . substandard and tontainsuses specifically proposed and
approved ` s accessory amenities to the overall developiment and not as free-
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MU , C b ss ° et r ,, secondee , A+ CommissionerrBarronadjourn the
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M CIT I N CARRIED 6-0-0 ALL 1 FAVOR
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