HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 08-12-1980City of f1y,-"Outh
The regular n eet i g of the'Plyrouth Planning rrl ssi wa * called to order in the
C 'Ourcil Chambersotw lye zn1 " Center g 3400 PlymouthwtBoulevard
s rd f M41„ P.M. ktk;
C: i\ir fi ,Flau a , Larson ned
M ssI N"A.r Barron arr4 d d later
x SENT Cnrtnirs Steigerwald and Fedch r
tr " " ' f Comm,cQx m Director ° i remer at"Imu i y Dev-
n nt Coerdinat-or Marygal, Planning Secretary ar ara Anderson
Chairwoman as n r n d that h wished do move Tree 7 to the front of the
agenda and reverse 'Che order oT Reims 3-8 and
MOTI ' bl Commissioner Pauba, seconded by, Cournissioner Larson to approve she IMinutes
f the July 31, 0 inzeet i ng ass -z) i tted.
114 T 103 AR, R I E D 4-0-0 ALL TN FAVOR
Commissioner Barron not Present)
rtsez rx+"x n e '` a n z e 'r $3 Lot 1 1 ...t .
s x a: as x a ar" a x sa t F e n a is on Variance
and Conditional Use Permit Site Plan
Amendment
The reading of theAugust , 11,080 staff repart was waived. Chairwoman Vasiliou
recognized r. Jack Safar representingrami r i um Group.
Chairwan Vasillou declared the i - hearing open.
Mr,- Safi - stated that the intent of this action was to acquire the additional
proper, needed to accomodate the. additional two dwelling units. Chairvlowrlan
Vasiliou inqui rd about the feasibility of the proposal and Mr. Safar responded
that theyha-3 firm financing, for 40 units and that is why they are adding the
additional land to get' the density up to 40 units. Commissioner ,Sere inquired
where the additional Idad vis and staff pointed it out along the side of the site.
Mr. itt inger, 10880 South Shore Drive, stated he spoke at the last meeting and
r id nq the drainage and he is stili` concerned about it. He was told that a.
drainage plan is available and had been reviewed by the City Engineer. He
stated that with the, topography as it is the water may go into his back y rd*
lie -has not seen the -drainage plan and wt d like to. He reviewed the approval
grantee previously by the Planning Commission and City 'Council for 38 units and
suggested that r out ans s d be mailpd to interestedpersons* He stated
that across the street was a development where the road has never been paved
because the developer and their bonding pany defaulted. n red what
security the City had that all the improvetinents would be installed by the developer
Staff'reviewed the City's bonding polities regarding ,,Fte improvements and the
August 12, 1 193030ra"'
Med u Z'v a e Tim e I 4 1 1 W fv' a r v s z s e vg '= i
defaul - Mr Ri 1; zi n9er stated that he I s qruite close to the property I i ne of
tEhis. proposal, and ifs; not in favor of a project of thi " nature going,into is
neighborhood,. He is concerned for the future o"this a fin that it would be
it,7p cted by 400-500 people and that is a significanIC, firpact upon arty neighborhood'.
He co!*unented` that, perhaps the Planning m ora' s ''ul d entertain a resoltuion
that one develop%i,t of this nature be pid per quarter section of the City
per a certain length of tficze to a;void premature saturation g given areas.
a rwzam.,an Vasiliou called upon staff to respond to Mr. T i er's comments.
She co.,!Irnented that regarding the t-ewo e develop -merry with e streets,, he should
call, the City Courcilrfembers, on t*
Staff cemented that drainage plans are reviewed hy the City Engineer and the
Dev—An Contrast is executed and bonding, is posted any given dove e i ent,
e;City monitors, the develop -meats. Staff presented the submitted drainage
plans fcr the Conrmnzi ssi 's rev Zvi, Mr. Ritzinger also revievied them,.
Chairwoman Vasiliou el sedNt e public hearing.
MOTIO11N by C"mis one a r , enotd d Commissioner it o take at n n
this petition this evening,
elOTION CARRIES 4-0-0 ALL IN FAVOR
rii ss ire, om.ented on the increase of the buildingfrom, 6 to 8 units, and
asked ;" a oa `lane a needed fob' phis. 'SL i € responded a4 Resolution IIV*;
801-3 allows up to 8 units per building, therefore no variance is needed as long a
tre resolution is in effect. Counnissioner Wire commented regarding the dra,*nage
plana around the net - units and staff stated ghat it has been revised to correctly
allow for the additional a omits.
MOTION by Corliss over Larsen, seconded by Connissioner Wire to recommend approval
of the Lot Division/Consolidation Variance and Conditional Use Periiit and Site
Plan Anendment for Dominium. Groep, Inc, subject to the following conditions:
1. Cor,iarak-*e with all requirefaents of City Council Resolution N 80-3.
2. Submittal o°f necessary utility and drainage easements as determined by and
approved by the Cite Engineer prior to filing of the, lot divisions/ensoida
tion.
No building er i s to be issued until lot division/consolidation has been
Tfiled ivit'h Hennepin County.
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MOTION carried ' a r a vac four avec ALL I FAVOR
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ko.a a9Y' Tu. S.,,ma"s '+a kfi,.*a:d i nui ust 2, 19
AM e ndorent to !.*arld Use Guide Plan
Th reading f the August 8 1980 staff report as waived. ha r an a u
recogni zed, k xrR Richard Krier of ra$k d Planning and Engineering, consultant
ze petitioner, zirr Ir. r« r i t rud - d r ,e l Dudley represented
P Investmentt pang. 1gr ,rier a regarding' the property
es i and existing a nw pro,. sed guiding and zoning.
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Staffk end that l ` r tin this =agenda was related to this Proposal and
asked whether the Wiz' ssicor wish s m also this time.
Chairworan Vasiolou polled the Commission and, Vie r=spds fast T
mould be considered in the order- it was listed on the -agenda.
vlr# Krieg discussed the Class III wetland mature of the property and thealignn-ent
of H ri}a R (49th Avenue Horth). He discussed the layout of the site and the
natuvral buffering between ttA-2 guided land and the industrial land. They
concur with the Land Use Guide Plan that the waste"weste"n portion of she site should
guided LA2. but y feel that the eastern portion should be industrially
guided. He revievied the developable portions of the lard and gave some Astintates
as to what proportions of the laird could be developed industrially,commenting
that there would be no more, than %' coverage on the property. feels there
s some developable land contained :ithin this property and disagrees with the
staff report on this Issue. He then stated that he would answer questions from
the Compaissioners.'
taff stated 1 A they, agree with the petitioner in that some land can lb ' developed
and this is c W the proposal shot d be evaluated by the planning !.-Imiss n. _
fhairwoman Vasilioudeclared the public hearing open.
5*. t4arvin Gleitaming, 4900 Yorktown Lane, asked hors the guiding can be changed to
suit private nv s rs .and stated be is opposed to industrial development going
into this area. He stated he utld like to see the planning Commission keep the
existing residential area in mind when they act on't i p ti iln.
w -r- Steven Pezalla, 11715 - 50th place Plorth, asked iihether the gids had been
set aside, and staff responded that subject to pproval' by the Department of
Natural Resources they cannot be developed, brit they have not been formally
dedicated to the public. Mr. Pezalla gads comments regarding the elevations and
access#to the property. err.. Krier responded that the elevation is the same as
the property to the east and that this site would access from the east. Staff"
explained the guiding categories r. all`s *
Mr, petal a stated that he concurred %-Ath fir. G ori ng n that someone put in
of of time on the guiding elan for thte City and he doesn't support "willy-nilly"
changes to support private developmen't'. He stated he feels the Planning n }ori ssi on
should leave the area guided A-20
Mir* Krier stated that the property is zoned for industrial purposes at this time
and could `be used as such by the owner. They, want to make the best use of this
lard as possible. He stated that there are planning principles that they agree
with and they concur that the zoning onnfra western portion of the site should'
be F,"sD in Vardar to retain tree industrial viii rig on the eastern portidrrb He
4 August 142', IWIC
stressed the use of natural feature- fortransit n.
r. Marvin fiGle:mrninqs asked whai't the quidii,,iq was on the land to theurrlih i o a f
responded by, explaining the guidingguiOing and gave the history of she site. I1 . PaZzellla
stated that this proposal was an atte-;*,7pt to hQad off the rezoning proposed by the
Cilt'y of his property.
Chairt-mman Vasziliou closed the public hearing.
IMI by CoMUmissioner Wire,,, seconded by Cominissioner Larsevn to take action i s
petilt,ion this evenimg,
MOTION 5-0-0
FICITION by Co.,mmaissioner v'l re seconded by Coimmissioner Pauba to recommend approval
af the proposed reguiding of the easterly portion of the property as sh%:n by
tae petitioner's graphic because it represents an appropriate reasonable use
ttat land and the use of natural features for transition.
Com ss e'r Pauba stated that be supports rnis ner WI -O's s n and feels
that it can be developed with the natural barriers as proposed by the petitioner.
Chairwoman Vasiliou stated that a site plea would be required in the future and
buffering and screening will be looked at carefully, and remindednded the neighbors
that they woulld see such proposals when the land was platted.,
MOTION CARRIED on a roll call vote,. Five ayes. ALL T% FAVOR
Commmissioner Barron commented that although he had arrived later he did v,)to- on
this proposal ,as he was familiar with the area and the petition.
n ae 'Lilli e Peri Rezoning, Conditional Use
Permit and Preliminany, Plat
Staff coimi.ented that this was a public hearing item and that notices had been
wr l s ed in the legal newspaper and -mailed to persons within feet of the
site of this proposal,., although the notice itself reffers to'l00 feet. Staff
then reviewed the August 8,, 1980 staff report for the benefit of these present
for the public hearing.
Chairwoman Vasillou recognized Mr. John Spaeth who commented that they have the
elevations that they wrIll display r theemaissiners as r=eesed a their
last review of this proposal* He stated that he believes he has € ied with
theCont" ept plan as approved by the City Council in this proposal* He stated
that he has answered the direction given by the City Councilon then .onect-
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road. e stated a they have zero let n divided duplexes excuse
they believe that dviner-occupied units are better than rental units and will be
more compatible wi the single fardly residential units they plan to build. He
on- uen e n the 44 foot trail corridor and stated that that would be dealt with
n the fin4l plattin2 stage. He believes there is sufficient access for a trail
in is area.;
PLAN MUNNITEEI 'iR« :qISS'.t. # S Lu S 2.. p-tatS'kN
lie revises .heir density 1-1,a,, Ic t ions and stated they are ppr pr t for bonus
points. He said they will ,*ave all the )trees they can and they feel that they
are bresponsive h M criteria regarding 'of natural features
and open specs within tChis, project. fie stated they will have some Dean water o
the eastern edge of the. preli-mirary Plat iDepartment- o Natural Resources
approves. He feel that., with the berming and everythirg else they are doing
this will be a good plat. He revievied the at-ographics and explained the
hca aFars. wi ++ 4 y'e Y# 3 Lv. 7 3 x+
ks 7 $iv+« R.'s,Ga E%. to the plat.
Staff discussed the compatibility of the proposed plat to the ordinance PUD
criteria, and discussion ensued regarding whether this plat was a plannedunit
development y definition or whether was planned unit v l pinbecause
of the Council's approla the Concept Plan. Staff responded that this was a
determination that ,the Planning Cor-tmissionshould i this evening,
MOT ION by Cot=,issioner Barron, seconded by Copirnissioner Wire recognize -N the
proposal as a, plan ted .!nit development.
IM10TION CARRIED 5-0-0 ALL IN FAVOR
loner Barron. commented that the staff report staff suggestws recudingthe
attached unit lots to the ..'s themselves so that there would more open space
and common areas within the plat, and asked the petitioner whet'hr he had
considered that. Mr. Spaeth responded that he had no problem with that.
Commmissioner, Garron commented that the eown 's 'association would be responsible
for iy.ore open space. and comwon areas and r i sed the issue whether i would
able to Wardle that.
Chairwoman Vasiliou declared the public hearing o .,
Mr. John ,fir k , 15 0 - 30th Avenue North, stated hr agrees with she staff reportr
that there, have been changes in this proposal since the Concept Plan revise and h
doesn't like the new design. Ple stated that he felt. that bonus points should no+
be awarded as suoecd by lCbe petitioner.
Mr. r Conrad, 10r 700 - 33rd Avenue Nol-kap, stated he hid not recalved a notice
for this public hearing perhaps due to his 42 day residency. He co-iilattented on
the el-bva-tions that are shown and the viae From, his lot. lie stated that the trees
Zrt shown at. maturity andthat the view would not look like that for about ton
years or so. e state 4.,at he moved to Plymouth to get aw y from high, population
densilftjt and lie wished to state that he is opposed to this d rent-& Cormnissioner
Larson a,ked him to be. specifit in his objection to the plat and Mr. Conrad s !:kj
that he feels that the woho s iincrease h density. and `more people cre
ci 1-r " * a Ile stated would like o `see his areaT - l n rest
develop, as singled rcesidential as opposed to itownhouses,, andis opposed to
this dei* l op n t as pr .
i,was o r Wire c tented that Dunkirk Lane i s a r,iajor collector street on the -
or r e Guide Plan and, the c that area should expect traffic in the
area
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C"AitiOck .ip +j stated iihe kn '4,o us Y.eYn. t.s Yv$ e ton
close t she stroi l rt.,n ttcni fi n a in f'fnla-nA re va__
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thing and vshat the con.tours, wtere. In
the area. , ' lots ar buildathle the par-11ing
area will be i nage. proposed high water elevaltion is
95 ' nd al -,at* "r, Spaeth stated that all his units will
be ^x the
Jo Gar l . w,,M % C st c .ane, view 't -he Cite ,ounc action n the
In,,,: .`t t Concept "V i as the plan reviewed the, Planning
C,c°nr ssi n and City Council. Staff state_'! that the City Council tu,,11es ed showing
a rornecting street h r" h aha area. fry,R Black Oaks Care or, the pteliminairy plat.-
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the Council'density wzs based upon the plan designated "Plan "
She , stated the 'he Nooses are close to she street and children will he playing
n . area and the traffic will he heave. She commented about traffic backing
UP, alongaleong Dunkirk- Lane alt this n a r; -d stated that this deva`opment would only
irucrease that pro'ble t 4v future. She also stated that the no-- i g street
t1,10uld increase traffic through their neighborhood and thou would have, people who
dh" t live in LilliePonds using V., as a shortcut to avoid the trt.ffi, on Dunkirk
Lane. rxni s on r Sarrilln come= erated that the through street viube a relief
ale and- provide another option for persons heeding to t,*avpt in that direction.
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k1r. 4olin iar Bei x, 72 o s oz Lane,, stated that be had appeared before the
Planning Co n ss n previously on behalf of the M l e Dell homeowners associa-
tion.
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ion. ;e stated that this is a change from the provious pian and he disagrees
with this proposal as it is very different from what was approved at the Concept
stege. He objects to the density of the proposal and fears that their property
vaas a -lues will go f i __r M-0 lA
fear t wouldcause traffic problems and i and the ho owner association are
Deposed to this proposal, as not being consistent with ordinance standards.
Mr. Steve Reinke, 16511 - 30th Avenue North,,, stated that he felt some attitudes o
the o- raillssion were cynicaland he also i0sheal to state that the proposal is not
consistent with adjoining nelqh_lrhoods. fie feels that it is poorly planned and
the low prices of the homes willaffect their`'property, values and he opposes it
n that basis. Pie, stated they have hra r , ie problthrns, and he had n ' confidence,
n the y to prevent draknage problems. he asked how the water drainage ditch
would he keot clear and prevented from going agrant as anany ditches do during
the urner Months.
Petitioners stated ,the DeparWent of Natural Resources would look for an open
water channel to serve the wildlife habitat, 14r. Spaeth cor=ented that they are
looking for an open tater area for.wildlife to 'rest, and while it may stagnate
at this tirme of year, tnost of the year it would be fresh and flowing.
Mir Reinke i nquit c. as 4to wAty Black Oaks Lanewas open and staff responded tet t
it was to have traffic circulation in a developed area. If it is not opened up
it would hive an excessively long cul-de-sac Atch is against City standards.
It is a natural extension of Black Oaks Lane and has been contemplated in the
City's planning.
4— A ..iw: s i..3 '*e , "^` ut d u2,... 93. e'
lr - ,Oa c'arnow, 16540 3-042,11l AvenaeNorth , tdl that she likes the idea
1 savina tilt, existing trees. hlowe er", slid„' is oppo ) having Black Oaks Lane
open though the eevelopment as the flow of traffic it tHs area is predomitlanit-ly
to the south which vioa; d brin it all di tlythrough ;gere h r good. She
stated that ` v a along ii t re may eliminate ski"fie .the problems with
children playing In 0e area -%_iarages Vindfront ,dards,, She concerns as
to th the n x i g, area wou !'-t sufficient hold the d •i and exceas
rurrff from she develonment.
Mrs. Spae4h respon,,"1 there was no Problem with the , ur e toy"jraphy
elevation; sere was an made on 4,e City olevwtions and tete 'rte actually
lower than had beer, supposed. Thfay have verified thishroug'n severil engineering
se rveys tbaf,. tete e evat of;s on the proposed de elopxeaot, are akeurate and they
should have no probleims. Vpi th, drainage flowing to tete south from the development*
Mr. 7-red Sattler 16440 - 28th Avenue North, stated he'agrees with Mrs. Gabrielson
regarding she street and the traiffic flow through to Maple Dell. It is threaten-
ingto the neighborhood and children use the streets as play areas. It wi I I no
be attractive to the neighborilood to have this type of traffic through this area.
Iie stated it is different than the Pconcept plan which was approved and he objects
to the overall nw..ber of units on the s.-Itaill acrage. He conineo d that the drawing
fshowing the elevations and landscaping was not an laccurate representation o
r whvaltx the de e' ops t. will look like in the firmiediate P Wre.
Chairwoman p si i nt rem.: dee. the public that a developer can present whatever he
wisdes ii the w Mp. ..!i representation of w is intended. Mr. Sattler
cnoed that this pltk n has moved from she 000e, stage to the pre. ii nary plat
Stage but it is still a concept.
Mrs. Mary Lou Tri eettbe , 16520 - 30th Avenue North, stated that she had concerns
regarding the drainage and was opposed to the fiTlinq of any wetland areas. She
so nqu! red whether the street was lower than proposed originally.
livid stated that §,werror in the topographical gores had been
noted for this site and concerns .boat area existing drainage prob-leais should be
taker to the City Wuncil.
Mrs. _Triebenback commented regarding tete guiding and the setbacks in the develop-
ment
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ert and staff explanted that DUD setbacks may vary depending on the * Staff
explained how BUD plans are approved as opposed to the regular platting procedure.:
Nancy it e 2,6531 - 26th Avenue Vort , stated she was appreciative of the efforts
of S-Aff and tie anrtrtgits educate explain the pa process,
but concerned about drainage, and effective lands..aping.'
Chairw,optan Vasiliou closed the public he ri n
W0110,1N by Cor,%iissioner Barron, seconded by Com2tissioner Larson to take actio-a on
this petition this evening*
MMION CARRIED 5-0-0 ALL IN FAVOR
the meets ng recessed at '10:15 N.M. a rid resumed at 10*- P#M.
lkm,rx .tea t'7s4` '` t f fS` 4#, 'k 't '" Cb' 1980 '_m tNA'k ,4-w'L. *c,-°. °v . qw,; , 5 '4 %M +tii '". . 'Augusti$g u.st 121, y++,
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i scus n ensued rer rs ' ?d r ' ssummaryaa_
off tliiw h us cdnt , prop-,osed. she Planning Cti-Traissioners deliberated the bonus
h$s z- E" f
ark ,.
dev ll opment Nsicussion A so. sued regarding the de s itya la
Comonissioner llire observed that netitio.narls density 4o dux L wed the 11
acre dig area r he gross - .rea. Dnly, and that if t'!'O, p-,7 nl;rr area viere
p,ropor coned the '-_1 a d L - ,rpn , eters V ?e a"I" acb units.
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a gra. Mr,, Spaeth state- 2.377 acres were -iclvd d
hairwoman nasi i td esu ivin 141,1o.-274 directs density id ra ivr4 for
the area south of tdina ad. Petitioner stated, density credit had been allowed
for right-off—ay in other projects.
MOTION y CA-Mmissioner Barron, seconded by Chairwo-mar. Vasiliou to recommend r z .
rrrg co—vilitional use perir.ft and prelimirplat approval subject to. the condi-
tions 14-7r ! mended in the staff reportrpt plus an Sth nd ti rr to read.*
S Lots for all duplex units shall t!id to the building size tr perimit
r t ie pec'arfieaa,, i l 4;,.o the Ponding area-.
and the recommended condition 8 w g o be as follows.
Approved density ratio of 21.4 units per acre for- rd ;.. units per acre
for A -Z basad upon ars assignm.ent of 4 bonus poi s - the totalma r of
ovielling units to be 513 consisting, of 7 single family detached dwellings
and IS two 'a l dwellings. Final denss exclusive of the designated
It acres at or below the high eater elevation subject t nay verification
eased upon approved parmits for land reclamation and filling.
Commissioner Barron stated that one bon -us point should ow d -for size Criteria
and two points for the mix of housing types Criteria , and ore point for design
efforts and ps;.:rµvatdn of natural characteristics in the woods and natural areas,, noting
the Department of tbral Resources request for n.Atural habitat enhancement. NOTION
FAILED on a roll call vote, Corvilssioners Wire, .ars n and Pauba against Coinjiissloners
Barron and Vali ion in, favor. -3-0 Cormiissioner
Barron called for another notion to be on the floor before any further disuession
vtas held* Commissioner
U r stated that the residential 30. 6 acres includes 11 acres for the
pond, and 2.37 acres for road- therefore 13.37 acres subtracted out would yield,
17.9 ars. Comm',
aissioner Barron inquired whether- the City has ever deducted rig -of -gray wihich has
been required fro.on a development proposal. Staff responded in the negative. Commilssioner
Wire stated that if only the, ponding area were deducted there would be
approximately 19.50 acres res*dent al further, if theg ndirarea were, proportionately
deducted from both LA -1 and 4, there would be approximately
Must 9t" .. $ €k...a, r 1ia+... w,. s. , x.,r. ai *r a. •. f r .v ; e _.,* x .> ;;•
Ye acres LA-1 which atLA- 24 units per acre l
old' atwout
4 l-ems h d z, -zi
approximately «.. . yr ams LA-2 which wouldyl e labout 12 attach-
ed
tach`e,
Sx d 4;.,. .3 at 00 i Cr per acre. Fv49 9.xh total 2'a .R ..€,e e #' of units ttix uld a-e ^,r L,o.:. at: w, h
4 opnus nroes -ut the x'zi w ut different °2 ; t1'lat -pArcopose
0711% bla "ot*kI s cnnS r*vN w s IR b C bvi ss fin Larsonarson tv recor:Tiendl approval
of the y onditil ase permiti and preliminary plat subject to the ondh-
t o 1-7 rece,!-.lended in the sta fepor , allowing nu points for press `va.
naturnal site characteristics, 2 bonus points for a mixhousing types
dnd R bonus points for; size for a total of 4 botius points; with condition
and an added 9th condition as ops:
Qproved demsity ratio of 2.4 omits per, acre for LA- SS' t per acre
for A- based upom an assigmat of 4 bones ; the total n,.l. r o 1
dwelling utasis to be 52 consisting f 40 single famfly detached divellip9s
spin 12 two family dwallings. Final density in exclusivethe desigrated
11 acres t or below the high witer elevation subject verification
baser upon approved j errlts for land reclartition and filling.
9. Black Oaks Lane shall terminate as a cul-de-sac at !verdina Road.
M TIONby rm ss` over Barron, seconded ?, ' Sairwontan, Vasiliou to ainend the
previous motion stating that there shall be 16 single family dwellings and 1
too family dtuellings for a total of 52dwelling units.
rm ss cm r Barron stated that he feels that given the design of the plat
0 single wellings are not feasitle and the only way it willwork is to
use the duyslex arts on narrow lots.He also stated that Lot 6 of Block 3 should
be eliminated and the area'incorporated into she rtmhi rr lots in Block 3;
thus, the reduced notal ,. f "cma 53 to 6.0. nvz s,
Discussion s e regarding the use of attached units in the proposal.
MMOTIONp iss # Barron, seconded by Commissioner Larson to add a 10th
condition:
Lots for all duplex units shall` be reduced to the building size to perait
riore cormnon spacearea., in addition to she pondingares*
Chairwoman Vasiliou called for a vote the second amendment.
MOTION CARRIED roll call vote, Commissioners Wire, Larson, Barron anti, Vasiliou
in favor,: h ss ones Pauba opposed.---
Chairwoman Vasiliou called for a vote on the first amendpnentw
MIU10141 FAILED on a roll call vote, ICopmpissioners Wire, ' Larson and Puha opposed,
Commissioners Barron and Vasiliou in favor. -3-0
MOTION by Cortraissioner Wlire to amendadding Condition .!_
11. The attached dwellingsshall he distributed throughout the development for
illy a more creative design effect*
MXION FAILED for `lack of a second*
c'w.a-0i'ztN%J. .,. :S:rtti al k> C J. 4
pec —! rid r"pro& f - the r zonInta, con(H-Liont"11 use pevriont and, prelim"nary plat
Ponds" ? ons, dorJo rS' l'o"Li »
Ccs" ian c with he` y n iw's Mi zora dwn,.
o pl ell" o,L) the reqtrlred envirowtertal assessment wr rksh s pri g
to filial pla rh .
3. C`.Tliance with the City r e kationof ` c n effect at the tivie
filing )f the fin"l plat relative to provision for trail corridormptt e-
ts and r at ve t ; a, of fees.
4. tiritten approval from the Department off° Natural Resources for proposed altera-
tiens and filling of established wetlands.
6. Fi na I a I ig ter,"C of Nawaged a Read to be revi evi da nd veri fid by the Ci ty
gar.
C. des4gna ion, of industrialris area north of`IMedina Road as an outlot.
V P.- 1r, orat ifon of designated o d i area s
with the toint wrs soc i a
S. Approved density ratio of 2.4 d tts per acre for LA -I and 3.8 units per acre for
LA-2LA-2 based upon an assignment of 4 bonus poi rets , the tptal number of dwel l i rig
units to be 52 consisting of 16 single family detached dwellings and 18, w
family ,e rr s. Final density > 'exclusive f the designated acres a r
low the high eater elevation subject final verification based upon approved-,
pewits for land reclatration and filling.
9. Slack Oaks shall not intersect at Veniina Road, but shall end in a cul-
de-sac uld -sac at the north end.
10. Lots for all I duplex units shall' be reduced to the building size to pemit
rnore c lrri n space area, in addition to the ponding area.
MOTIONc ,tssioner Wiret, seconded by Cowmiissioner Barron to amend and add an
th condition as follows:
The attached dwellings shall be distributed throughout the development for a
more cr ti design effect
Chairworian Vasiliou called for a vote on the amendment.
MOTION CARRIED on a roll call vote, Commissioners Wire, Barron and Vasiliou In favor,
Commissioners Larson and P u a opposed. 3-2-0
rwcm an Vasiliou called for a vote on the main'motion as once amended.
MOTION CARRIED on a roll, call votei, Commissioners Wire, Barron and Vasiliou in favor,
Commissioners Larson and pasta opposea. 3-2-0
Mr. n bac l stated that he objects strenuously to this action and feels that
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the P , n i n Comm ss n is not considering the fee ins of the t tens that live
n this are relativet t dens t t traffic and drainage. swan ns d b t v'e
the 'Planning Co-mmissionCommissionand residents, especially regarding Condition
ttts 83 Conditional Use Permit
Site Plan Phase
This itee was introdluced by staff who re i ewred the August 8, 1980 staff report.
Mr. _HenryStenquist,, ar eh teet for the project, re lewd the traffic circulation
issue i r , the staff report and coin ger ted that they, preferred the pari as submitted
because f convenience to tenants and it provides for more parking spaces. He
stated teat it is not., a necessity but they wish to go`on record as stating they
prefer is design.
Cha i rvi iman Vasiliou declared the public heari n open.
Mr. Carl Swaggert, 17710 - 13th' Avenue North, stated that the buffer that was
installed with phase I` of the Oakwood Apartments is not adequate and he felt
that t tots be a geed idea to leave the trees as a buffer between the site and
16,he adjacent neighborhood.
Mr. Patrick Sinclair, 17620 - 13th gen or h, stated that the landscaping bend
has not been released and they are waiting for the City Forester to rake an
inspection of the property, The hack hard maintenance of the apartments is not
good and there is no barrier between the apartments and his home ins i ed i atel
behind them. He stated they, were disappointed with the City requirements nd
with the apartment complex.
Mr. W. H. Williams, 1305 penny Lane, stated that he is requesting that the easement
be changed to 30 feet to preserve the trees as referenced in Item #5 of the
r. n ieer',s M;enorandnm, regarding access to the Williams goads subdivision., He also
stated that netree pond is no longer the clean pond it was before the apartment
was built and the drainage frora the site flows into the pond. He, inquired abort
the di5tance from, the edge of the parking lot to the edge of the property ne on
the west part of 14,e plat. Staff stated that it was approximately 200 feet
omrssidner Barron inquired of the petitioner whether they wend object to having
a 30 foot easement as opposed to a 20 foot easement. Mr. Sten uIst responded that
the'b ries, r Kenneth Soh be id not originally intend to give an easement for
access to Williams Wloo s, but they, did provide the utility easements across the
property. They are concerned about the density and title clearance, He stated
the ounen m.zlintains his original objection to granting public access easements.
pair;tmown Vasiliou closed the Public hearing*
MOTION by Comrnissioner Wire., seconded by Commissioner Larson to act on ties
petition this evening
MOTION CARRIED 5-0 -0 ALL IN FAVOR
Chairwoman Vasillou asked about Item #2 in the staff report, concerning the, site
performance g aran ec for Phase I of the apartments*' Staff, responded that it was
being heli until all site improvements had been completed. fir. Stengnist stated
that the ber~ding is instal -ted per approved plans at this time.
Com' ,, ° ss finer Barron c ne ed as tyre gr ap a cs sd ed not hi,
e I nag aired how many trees ire proposed Jnr Phase 11* 'r1r. Ray responded that
over-story gees were proposed and the landscape criteria calls for 107
trees to be installed on the site. Mr. Stenquist stated that at the brie the
site was developed was unused farmlandwith ra vegetation erre brush and
they are trying to save as many existing trees as they care.Cori-tmissioner Barren
cortm*nted that Perhaps cud bring Phase I into ane with Phase ` bly
spreading the landscape trean-*n wnon the No sites. Staff stated this vrould
be possible, giving credit for existing trees. Discussion ensued regarding the
landscapingtreatment on both sgtes,,and the existing versus approved landscaping
on the prase I site.
Mr. Dick Williams stated that Williams Woods cited a 1976 letter to the owner from
Mr. Di l l erdmmr Planning Director) suggesting an alternative easement to the
one originally proposed and that this had never been recorded.
Mr. StenquHst stated the easement is existing for utility Purposes only. The road
was discussed many times, but was never resolved. Staff referenced Mr. l e rid'
letter dated y 25, 1976 and stated there was a copy in the file. Staff noted
Mr. Schiebe did not respond to that letter., but the City Engineer in the current
staff report was aware of the development history.
0'ii v'issinr Bart-on, ecndedby cssearer recce€ approval'
of the conditional use permit and site plan for Oakwood Apartments Phasell subject
o the following conditions.
Compliance with the City Engineer's e oranda for this project.
Submittal of required financial guarantee for approved site improvements
termed for 24 months*
Submittal of detailed fire protection plans in with t `ire Cade
prior to issuance f permits,
Compliance with City Ordinance and Policy requirements as to drainage and
curbing all driving and parking areas.
S. Revision of parking and driving design in the northeast corner of the site to
eliminate the drive connection between the front parking area and the common
driveway c the east; open parking stalls adjacent to the common drive tobe
allowed in accordance with Ordinance standards as approved by the CityEngineer*
Thandscop is shall apply to ;tas ;' however, to provide balance between
the sites c phaase I and Phase 11 the petitioner is to work with staff to spread
the landscape materials throughout both phases, and financial guarantee weal
cover both sites
The gees i :.gam oF an access easement for Williams Woods shall .be resolved before
building .pem.it issuance.
IMOTION CARRIED on a roll call vote, five ayes 5-0-0 ALL IN FAVOR
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The reading of the August 3, 10.80, staff report was waived. Mr, Kirt Wx edhe ce was
i?resenE. representing the petitioner. e °rissrnner erre inquired what the pr hosed
ra;,.qv would used fogy and 14r. IvIloodhouse responded that it wouldn'rbthern to
bring a forklift dot of the building t n n d or to bring 01e °a l!,Or in -Itoin-Itshe
building to be unloaded. Comrissioner Wire r quir d shout tae safetyof b."inging
a trailer p the ramp, and Mrs.. Woodhouse stated tnat there was curbing along the
edge and it was half as steep as mnst- similar ramps.
1101 10N by, Cortnissioner 14im, sce nd d by Commissioner Larson to r ecoi rend approval
of the s ee plan amendrient for Trammel -Crowe Company to allow, ronstructi n of the;
ra: ani ent an Q, way per submitted plans.,
40110% to amend by CommissionerLarson, seconded by Co.t.=issioner Pauba to recoinnmend
approval subject. o the following condition!
1. N'C'outside storage against the ra In p is to be S*A ed.
MPTIONCARRIED ALL JN FAVOR
Narw m n a on called for vote on the main ;,, i n a once a ens eC
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Chairwoman Vasiliia noted staff concern as to administraiive approval,. petitions
off'this nature at this time. She stated that it would: be a good issue to have
taken up by the Development Council. Mr. Wfdh e staffed that he viould work
with the Development CounciT to come upwith a policy on how petitions such as
this :aright be handled administratively.
r r of icy and Subdivision Cade Variance
tae ea of the August 7,, 1980 staff report was waived* Mr. Olson was present
rr his !'*half, and stated he had no comments to make to the Comp*rgssaon.
1ssioner Larson, seconded by Chairwoman 'basillou to recommend
policy and subdivision code variance for Richard Olson striiact
to t ' owA ng condition-
1.
ondition-
Any appropriate easements as determined by the City Engineer be submitted
prior to filing of the lot'division/consolidation with Hennepin County.
MOTION CARRIES «” g fU IN FAVOR
xa ace Freeman o art encs14 ; Site Plan Amendment
The readinj of the August 8, 1980 staff report was waived* Mr. Frank Reese, Mr.
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Wallace and tor. Cod"fr n represented tyre petitioner. Staff sshowed slides of the
ex Staff €
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r r regarding the r rgreen trees which -ire part of the pp, ov d
ing plin and the berming.
Cfi,,tirwanan Vasiliou, stated her concern vias with the open pond area and the drainage
Olpeld put in by the neighbors was neither helped nor hindered by ter- drainage'
i n*
Commissioner tklire inquired why the teveloper didn't follow the approved
pl Ar. Reese &gated that revised changes wer made reduce the activity
areas and move those areas ,mere the*t would be less offensive to the neijhbors.
mirk man Vasiliquasked for clar4tication on what was approved and what is now
existing on the site. Discussion ensued_r ardin approved versus existing site
landscaping and amenities.
Steve #'a r, 220 Quaker Lana, stated that .here are no evergreen trees behind
hi s l t and they had _zxpected a 10 foot berm with evergreens on t; instead troy got
a se=al erg ber.m with c tt€ nw d tr s- H is also con-er n d about access to o
potentially r pone in a neighborhoodwith mangy small children. He requested
that the Col.mmission instruct the developer to f"T in, the berm and 'landscape
Qriginally proposed.
hairwa an Vasiliou asked whether the petitioner would be opposed to er"Jin tete
bear and putting the additional plantings on it. Mr. Reese stated that t'0Y woul d
aot be in favor of expanding the !rjm.
Steve Stein,, 140 Quaker Lane,, stated that he objected to the unsecured deep
pond on the site, and trees andberm-
ling which were not installed per approved
P1 ahs
Commissioner Wire stated tart the landscape plan lists .Norway Pine.,
Maples and Lindens as approved plantings and asked whether they were planted
there now, Mr* Coffman r s and d negatively. ' i sc ss on ensued regarding the
absence of the approved plant materials from the site and the concerns of the
neighbors regarding the berming and access to the site.
MWION by Commissioner Wirre to r c ¢ and approval of the site plan amendment with
the condition 'that additional landscaping shall be added to the site#
lotidr withdrawn. Further discussion ensued regarding specific plantings.
MOTION ' Commissioner Wire, seconded by Commissioner Larson to recommend approval
of the revised site plan for Willow Creek Apartments subject to the following `
conditions-,
1. The original landscape plan shall be completed as specified.
2. Ten 1 more evergreen trees of orwa pias variety 6 feet in height be used
to add screening between the two berms
MN AI on a roll call vote, five ayes. ALL IN FAVOR
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tile reading of the August P 1980 staff report was waived. Mir. Hank .7.6.99 was
k pnt on behalf Buhl and state,' he had no cor-.,,ner-s to make to the
p.Arss on. Staff of this was, another phase of the oerai t' leas er plan
ived for this petitiorer.
of he site plan amendrient fok,Buhler-Mi,, Inc. subject to the w '1',,ti*.
I. Compliance with the City Engineer's Mamerandup.
r i on fire ' re std ar ra per iCade.
3. Plan approval is for expansion of wc,,sterly building Or August, '1980 pars.,
subsequent uses shall be subject to ordnance elan a rr al r n irkemen s
4. Plan approval comprehends deferral of fullordinance rainfinum parkingspaces,
subject to installation of such spaces when the City or the owner determine
such spaces are needed. Any parking lot expansion shall be in accordance with
ordinance requirements per approved plans.
h at aof site performance financial guarantee termed for 24 months relative
to r°ep a em-on /restoration of areas disturbed by the approved expansion.
6. Plan approval does not include additional signage,*
ase and trash disposal- facilities shall be fth n the h ld n s or enclosed
per ordinance,,and n outside storage iq permitted.
f N CARRIED -0-0 ALL IN FAVOR
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The reeding of the August 8,, 1980 staff report was`' wa i ed. Mr. Dick Krier represent-
ing P
e resent-
in eah dy Investment Coinpany spoke again, r ri nd n the Cowntission Phe request
to leave the easterly land zoned as 1-1. Discussion ensued among the J,e1111iss oner s
regarding` the, proposed rezoning and the earlier hearings,. Staff cc4.i-en ed that the
zoning should be consistent with the; guiding.
M1 TON by Coiitmiissioner Wire, seconded by, Commissioner Pauba to" ' iiwend approval
of the rezoning front - D for the entire parcel as recew r1 f by staff.
MIDTHON, to amend 'by Commissioner Barron,, seconded by, Cwthmissioner,arson that the
only area to be rezoned would he the area guided as IA-2IA-2 earlier in he evening
by the Cornmis i on's action and the eastern portion of the site would remain zoned
1-1, consi stent with the recommended gulding.
Chairwoman Vali1 ion called for a vote on the amendment,,.
M6TION CARRIES ALL IN FAVOR
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Chalrweman V s ict pled for a vote on the main motion as once aavended.
MOTION CARRIED ALL `' FAVOR
Cnairwoinan Vasiliou announced gest there wouldn public ? <ri withthe
Baty Coxincil on October 10-80 at 7.30 P.4M. on the Comprehensive Plan Update.
Staff requested that the Planning Co*imission set its regular -meeting as for the
remainder of 1980. The L'3S4f iss * °fin agreed tie own dates;
September 10, 1980 - : .Mi. (Open Form ` V11. )
September 24, 1980 - 7.-30 P.M.
Octan 8,, 1980 7;30 N(Open Fort 7:#.
October 131, '
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ober" 22, 1980 - 1:310 . .
i r ,t 1980 x:30 t € 4,
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November 9 1980 - 7-130
D,nir 3, 19,80 - 7:30 P.M. Open Forum 7,-00 P.M.)
Dcm,,r 17,1980- *0 P. M.
tare being n rear business before the Commission,., the deetinag adjourned at
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