HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 04-16-1980try Plyrrmluth '
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MEMBERS RNT : Chairwoman Vasiliou, ComaImi ° - ^wald,Larson
rld Pauba.
vlEE*I ERS ASSEN Com4ssionersThreinen kind Wire*
STAFF 5ENT.- 'Community DV Director ai :i e, a iy D
rmnt Coordinator Mary Ray and PlanningSecretary Barbara Andersoo.
Site Plan ard Conditional Use Prm
This item was introduced 1b staff who reviewed the ,April 11, 1980 staff 'report* Mr.
1 ' Bon' s Present representing the petitioner stated res regardingng _
3 and #5 in the Engineer"Engineer"s NMemnorandum.. Ifepented on what petitioner hel i seed
L0 be appropriate fare hydranIt coverdqe and armed concerns wilth costs. Staff
res e thaw the E i ts M reuCity Code require;iietits and each
Its ve"oment was responsiblefor its fire protection systelnts* Chairwoman
Vasiliou stated the Commission supported the recomimended items;they could be
discus d aith. the Council
He also's concern with item #8 in the staff report,. stating that the cl-irculation
s propo ied is adequata. The loading, area is on the east side of the building,
and the shown stalls r for prcof of parking.e also staged than a drive nfrontofthebuildingwould, detract from the layescaping as proposed, and would
increase h cost
murTissioner Steigerwalid inquired s to the- nature of the use regarding traff
generation. VIr, ;Bond responded that the owner will have his office in the building
initially* and the site would be ussed to store light trucks and 'Obb site types of
equipment. The traffic generated on the east side of twhe buildingwould i .
Commissioner S i r ` inquired about dzliveties to the site,; and Mr. Carey Hicks,
oviner, said that rarely is anythingdelivered o the site. Mr. Bend stated that
they feel this arrangement would provide an, additional security factor by. having to
drive the distance around the building.
Ms' Judy a s was s regarding the diti s permit for a retail
western mar operation also- proposed to be located in the building. She state
shy" would age a "specialized" inventory and would carry such itemns as 1western vicar,
outdoor apparel, work bootst hats, gloves, etc. ;she stated that she had been
looking for a retail site in theCity and they- were difficult to find. This was
available,,. ut she would prefer to be in a compieroiel zone. 1She stated that ` she
would consider vioving should a retail site become avallaNe at a later date. She
also stated that this use should, not generate a lot,Qf.traffic.
Discussion ensued regarding the types of uses allowed In the Industrial District
and e conditional use request. Parking, traffic flow, and equipment storage were
also discussed*
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ms Commissioner Barron* s ' ak with the ` "1 ri' hen` .iv Play`: purposes. a
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A , traffic,anal s h been done in
Staff Cod"len4ted an the Uld.tans for the area and that.- IN financing v'is
regUeStedfor the Vejo y., en4'
Mr. o dargre f`plans. Lane inquiredd 'out the ra! nib e of he business proposed
v Mr. Hicks. He asked what concrete constructioWl ac!'-aUally ertzailed, and Mr.
T, is s'p' as foto office s C rx# 3 &s G i .
me actualmcretns r u * tworwas done at the site, air ncit oij the preps s
the r used building. Mr. Cadargren expressed concern abot cavy tracks
a-Siog the road, ard. asked heft er Shenandoah would be assessed for the m:A rmen
reeded to bring the road ung to" strdar s where they wmau d be ably ta handle the
heavier traffic leads. The Coinin s r !js,r rout hikes that this was a matter for the
OCouncil- the Planning Ccv-missiondoes not handle assessments*
har . -Olys o yr r Lane asked o" happen the use
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ri* ed that ai y other use that would wish to m ve in vmmuld have
11.0 get a H I oi use penmti , on its own. mri w --the are non -transferable.
ion Oqr d the pub Ic hearing.
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Pvt ion this Ovenring.
lei -- "t01 r; ity corlini ss oiler :.error,, Seconded b Co,,,,mmissioner Steigerwald to separate the
requests into tt* ism,s*
M10,19'10N" A R IZ I E D All in Favor
MK,!TIMN Ley CommIssioner Barron.,, seconded by, Comanissioner Larson to recommend is
of tile Conditionaluse permit s for a western ia, otail s l s use for the
reason that the use was not consistent with the ordinance criteria for the 1-1
psi*
191-Iscussion ensued regarding the mo , Commissioner Barrom coiaInented o the
general advertising..and the intent of retail uses ;n the 1-1 District iS to serve
persons employed i 'it district % tie f4lt this use would be too general and w-auld
cease people to come i6to the area rather than being use that would for these
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clear that the proposed retail use Boa "leased" space, versus ori"n r
occupied.
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4. 4114 taste and waste zovnain rs sal or`, in the struCtureand no outside
storage of equip
5 "nol is 11ce Wimp C.!t +.. y P Ct, 9 e withgg respect o hydrantswinddrud fire4
r adjacent Ito areas wl h ss tcrr. water hold, -1 ng f ac i I i ti
Signige s'
ct. Plians shall be revised, to piovide cemcnlet. c,'r ula tion of the parking area. with
a e t qt drive in fr t of ul n with all setbacks in accordance 04 t;h
ordnance a -ism
Ihis approval s spe-,ifically for Phasp I a subsequent inhas shall be subject
review f s mittI site plans its terms f the a ' a ordinance and tome
r i "Mnents
10. 'em f«a y b tua o s curibing is peri',iitted along the south side with Pease the
rarking` adjacent to the ° o allow for
900 spaces rather than parallel parking.
ndscape planshall be in accordance with the *ity Landscape Cry Genu, and
the Slack Hills Sprue shall be at a, 6 footheight instead of a 2 inchi m i .
O ` OINI IES Al I in Favor
Kari *
in, i's i it e r, i iia s moved tip on the agenda and1h r adi rig of staff report April ,
9 is waived. r. Ury Ray showed slides f the parking in the area, and it
was seen there was no apparent problem, with adequate parking for this use*
MOTION' Commissioner Steigerviald,, seconded` y om, i si h r Pauba to recommend
approval , of the conditional use permit ren%.ral for Sandra O'Hara for a dielt tenter
in the Fox Meadows Office Suildinq #1 at 31'31 Fernbrook Lane subjectthe
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by the Fire k -rSt wh) ' ¢-.,r " h, l part off this, pernti t.
parking a lie o € ,tr"aparking
Any ; s r r kM t x a fi y scatfacilitiesused Shall
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All classqsltie conducted, after :1113, P.M".'
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LrAtq SrurnsConditional Use-P,erm,
w of the staff report on this item datedApril 1,10, 1930 was waived as there
i eno pmsetit regarding this petition other,- thar. Mr. Bruns,, tf%e Petitioner.
Mv i ON bV1 COITI. SS leer Barron tided 4-qssioner Steiperwald
iti'8 %his evading.
r1l OT10N 10ARR I ED 6-0-0 All in Favor
Commissioner ., zrjiezid
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12835 30th Avenue North subjectfollowing, condit Bons
I. No alteration of the preeMisesfor the accoracdatioln of the proposed m
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Nq signs Permittedrelative t advertising or fden fyin the business.
34, 1'4oadditional 4 t installed related :o 14-he hormleoxto
4. The pernitl I-applicabTe codes, ordinances, and regulationa, ars
violation thereof shallbe gro-Unds for revoCation.
5. All waste and waste containeers shall be s*oredwithin the tructture orwithin
approved screening.
No outside storage of materials or e uipment.
i i e m shall subject t a` months review r c
and renewal after one year.
Cha rvioman Vasiliou commented what concerns she had initially were lessened in that
none of thenotified property owners was Pnt-
MOTION CARRIED - 101 Al I in Favor
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Mast 'they w "' oes 1"I t'€o t "" t a"? size :i 2 cxl-m " feet a rcm ' wr e A :k ., Aw Ae
asking for S070 identificatfia'" signa le for thm INAMIng since they utere ch i
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si l ,u st,itud 1hat they sheuld haveaequa .s signage with the ae-
i n p S *7% and she d!d # flee an roblea, w th that one g o ff z t
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as plain ,. f l `!g _ perhaps 4 t tplain, k x a ,.. 4 .,,. , ,.;fie¢ log,,o
if,,pro., -would dress it upt, a—md 4ive it a, be'z.ter appea 5 as well as ident
tho uildinj to ;
Ch a i r vomia n Vasiliom 'Mquired which of ',tho twro s'qns vould they prefer stouliJ they
have-, -Iakc a choV:e- IM.r., Conlin respanded. they vvould_ like to have the
free-at _" mi sign approved, since it bias le!it e 4m arab ve to get Vie sign u
a o Pass. a ,. a a Y A; Oficial g ysooneb;<
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a o f April I , %bpd
14-by v . tnted the sign tv lczer ;Vfy I': now.
fi s :a d Ui-tt simeU-tte-tinically f e Litank ,,? a d on a:-n:r
got, they would also be entitled to a ' ame a '.. sign, and thus, they could have two
ANIL percent of "Ito, area of the wal .is tls r ski ,egar hsecond sl ,
and' a l l es s ` hm 'the gj bronze ,,,Od dress up the building
arta techtiftally vies allowed.
MOTION y Commis*sioner Barron, seconded by Commlisslemer Larson to approve site
l n amen(Lmeynts and- grant the variance for iqn for the PKetropolitan Stat,,-,. Sank of
subject to the following cotTd' ions
Signage should be locatedavc,, Constructed par approved plans dated i,r
A variance of one square foot be granted for the 'instal Illation of a naireplate
sign of C, square feet on the north side of the building (wall).
f M"I CARRIED,5-0-0 All in Favor
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Revised, Conc2j Plan
This item was i ntr d d by staff who reviewed thc- April 11, 1980 staff report. The
petitionert '_i t Spaeth, was present, as were numieraus dtizens who are concerned with
this proposal*
Chairymmian Vasiliouc i 144. Spaeth who stated that he prefers Concept A to
Concept 8 because the nortfht end of the cul-de-sac could be opened to Medina Roadi.
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nr, w fis is t4 '4c thoseo ave cl"kI-ep; w a i`" '"kd far ;A,urpcsos d "then,
Q `? ',' ouu7olc?' and,he reels this providas a ' r
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o thosse in the vould be si-ilar 11x k..on ctunty Rox!.
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ono : ' ur ttik' ,` h4 r h r es z1" ' e Mara John t ac'Nei j,
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oka .s '..i"s. .4.r Sint Nezpresentea petit-'!on to 44a Planning Cv-mmIssion
which emurro O h 'their trr r° —irnd "ion to the Cray ("Ouncil for cll
ho h e+ fin 'Che area f.a 110-Th .1 e j t 221; i:r tm41fresu They talked s developers
out'of ft's ,lec" vhzp also contaCted hcm mers. Mr. Iacneil stated their. com erns
h c h t„ is vieviel I as wa tor arra traffic probleras in the area; unkir k n
m ,,
th character ent subd i vis ions - Slack Oaks Leas should not extend through
he projectithe ,a. air hpreserved.
C g rwor-a i "fou inquired wh, type ofdevel opr ent would be, 'acceptable to the
re; x this r= i rely k- andallowed
to evolo mae way. r. 1', 1 responded that thestatement. ay 4 develop- Z-. S :y n ,S. ° " 3. .b,. T`'3i a P'4 a
w.wwsnw.+a, .
ment VAI ca use a pt n,, - . # € I c
own i s ons# ;Commissioner t l ' z nauired which of the tvxl concepts
propcseml is the most acceptable omp-t or Ccmcepto the lhom o mars" and
b PUcltieif resri5 ht,.t neither i - there are other alternatives
lI . Spaeth stwSed that the v the surrounding areas has ia";Pacted 01,his
land!' and that flis land provides the drainago for the developed areas surroundinq
his vroperttateda drainage must, be in accordancewith the Cite DraAm9e
lam fie stated that there Miers noi dra-mavon his land at thisbrie.
11,,e l lie, "Felt that no fu fldinq pernits should be issuedor the area
r oundin his land until chose drainage easements were freed by tie City.
Mr. John Pa-, 2 11E s c-'Larne inquired about the mmber of other
developrients the-, petitioner h ofx e , his Ifina.,rictal status, and requested to be
L-v -hy they were there again, when the pu:f)lic hearing had been held -andirf,ormed as v,
the recomendation to the City Council unt for denial of the. concept Man.
Commissioner Barron r* v, od to V11r. Paulstating that the financial status of the
or.,uns not a mattero be discussedor° the Planning` OamvaiSsion, and should,
be dealt v h between the citizen and the velopoutside.
Staff - i and fr,. Paul. ra er
dealing, with theoncep4: plan reviaion according to City Council instructl
Cmvnissioner Barron suggested that tC-mi deal only with those concerns as,
expmlssed by the Citi' ncil in the rflnutesthe Council iNteating, and then send
it back to thee,
Discussion ensued regarding the two concept pleasncitizen-,-qrconcerned that
Concept 'T' had not been presented at the public hearing,, bonern et
had need prepared In resp9pse to rx s"t for a throuh-road design., Cl"ir-
woman Vasilioustated Commission act9-on would be on Concept "A", and hat the
other plan would sent to tura Caurr ii as. requested.
4U- ba * 0 r I 1 1906
M i !,)y a,Xmin` l r' amen,, econde `.missi n r' Larson , i r to t
a 'a 4` a„+i ?m.. Ftp» iu f F r" p"
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7 acres per s'
lan t area .$GAS B a w " €^ ba tx : irer, d 2, ;. g ra. , -0a te 1. Y,
acres)-, and the land r; t -h of 'Ied na Road Ibe guided I- is three rots).
All in, Favor
Cites Ourc fl that 110 borm points be awarded, for the reazon t i b she ordinanCe
not ts.
4,. xi CARR .. All n 'x vor
f i+y in the LA -2 quidedquidland is nut' to exceed 3 units PC- acne of "buildable"
s :. Mished wat r# elevation verified "` Engineer.
MOTI(IN CARRINSDD 0- Favor
140" - -tsioner gr wa' J, ' d d by C=missloner Parron to deterilzine tea t
density in the A-1 guided land is not to exceed units per acre of "buildable"
lend above established high water .jai rfed the `Y
CITION CARS1 E 5-0-0 Ali n Favor
MOTION by e i eer Larson, secondedby wow . n kfasilioti IIIIo recommend approval
of Cr`oncept A subject to the followditions:
Compliance withter err ngir r`s IMr rrd .
2. ` etio the required Err i o Assessment a ;ve° e process prior to
final tt,.
Preliminaryplay' r4 d d ra i rr transition U neignboring Single
4. Written r ov thDepartment, of Natural Resources for any alteration
of established a and filling*
5. Final alignment of ?New INLadina, Road to be ri wred and confirmed by the City
Engineer,
6. Extent of residential guiding south of Nadina goad 1w determined to i)
approximately 7 acmes of La -1, approximately 23 acof LA -2, and guiding
for the three, lots north of edi Road shall be, IIP, as represented
Concept rt"P
7. Approved density and maximum number of dwelling omits is determined e
units per; acre for LA -I and 3 units per acre for A -Z land above the
established high water elevation as verified by the City, Engineer* There -
are no bonus points assigned to this project.
C is l #t iczou Ua nx stated +v:ac* £$ was opposed k.» &S ,nlCw*iasn In that the o'nt " P
plan is esente,. with densities and dieveloprntent assum,,ptions that are misleadli ng
an raises of -'s Oys as to she feasibility of the proposal. 0' feels t0t he
Planning has responded to the Cite Council direction,, but is doubtful
if either V -" op A or lCo fico, t B ran lie developed, s r s d*
Staff corieuted that, so:rtme id,humibe of drielling units would be less
than the 6 hop=gin on Oncept `A% since no creditwas allowed, o hwtr
below thle estalishedhigh eater elevation.
Mr. Spaeth states intended ts density c r ti
the Coupcil N!tn.
Steve Reinke, 16511 - 30th Avenue North, sated the Commission's -:M' was
totalreverse of the original action and the reasons for the LA -2 juidingwere
not clear. Cortrftsioner Barron responded that y r Muncil direction, the
Commission had considered area zoning,. development and quiding ar.dhad concluded
LA -2 was appropriate as transition frmm Medina Road.
tO 10.1 CARRIED - 0- r.rug s ion Barron- Agains
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IN by Ummissioner Barron. secyruled lly Cownissioner Larson, to approve the
Minutes of the lar M, 1980 rteeting.
MOT101141 CARIMIED 6-040 All in Favor
The open forum had beer, post-poned until >after the regular `agenda icons had been
heard. John Sebold of Carlson Properties and fir. Dick Knutson of i is s
Knutson Associates presented an overview of she proposed ''Carlson °4. The
Commission -responded fi ntrabq ~ of questions and suggested those be responded
to at the p iblic hearing.
There being no further business before the Omission the meeting wa 3 adjou rex,
at 12:30 P.M.,