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February V,, P O
T 'ie regular :t i '' a' t , to 1r d rby
airworan Axa ition at 7:40 P.M* in the Council Chambors of the l pmeu h 4V
Center tit 3400 Plymouth Pcoulevard.,
MIEMP R`ZESEN .- Chal r',rern Va -2%, Cormissioners Threinen, Lrsoo.. llire,, Pawa
and,StEleigerwaldt,
ME Co rnplissioner"Farron
STAFF€ S VIII: t ; v' $ Director Mair Treme eN,
i.,ent 'Coordinator V11ary Ray,'Planning Secretary Ba.6,ira rrd r o f*
Concep't -lap
W mem, was r der d by staff paha r vi, ew d the February 1980 staff report.
density f the proposed RPUD was discussed in relation to the wetland areas
that were proposed to be filled,. Cortinissiog-ter Trrr Deed that there etas a
Jiscrep-ancy in the figures relative to the, - acreage.
Staff p a ed that the Quids Farr indicated the easterly r * i of tilepro-peety
had LA -2LA-2guiding; the petitioner was suggesting that the guidii-q arid,, arae,, rr -
porde n density,, - nd d across the property to Dunkirk lzzne, appy ioxime
paralleT to future Medina Zoad. Passible dens,*pies had been calculated n w
approaches whichcould tie used d r ir% ire extent of the LA -2 quiding.
Mr. Robert Taylor of Gary Gabriel Surveyors representingthe petitioner presented
the proposal relative_to the quadrfminiaim. area and the fill. He stated that the
fiqures in the staff report had surprised tberi since density was not allowedorad far
existing or purposed (after filling) wetlands* The property owner has been assessed
for sewar and water for the entire acreage and the wetlands belong to the property
owner and net the City of Plrnouth. They should be given credit on assessments
or let thembuild on the wetlands. If the City rants a ponding area there then he
would accept trade regarding assessments. They are not proposing to fi h
actual wdt and area for housing. The area that It beinq filled, is the area impacted
by tl d i na Road,
Chairwoman i stated that assessment policy, Was a tatter for Counoil r vievi*
but the matter of land use and density, ;especially in terms of we" -land area should
not he confused with assessments made according to adopted policy.
Staff observed substantial et•I n wa and n the south portion f site vias
proposed filled for building, singlefamily homes.
Comv issioner Threi nen- cemented what the entire si ngle family area shown on the
concept plan is below the, flood plain elevation 1,00 year hIgh water rnark., and by
definition it is wetland. He also stated that there have bash other areas that
have been assessed and not allowed be built on in, planned unit developments.
Rr. Taylor commented that 17.2 acres are planned to be recovered by filling,and
the single family residlenttial woulld be constructed totally on hfilled area*
AMILSt no ed correspenCe from hD.N.egan nthe resift er' penis
application, )% 'affil ; a En irord* nt ' As,esr w °'• '``" ' o'
Coroni ssi otters *1ireinen, asidto i £ erwa expressed cioncern, about final i
e e a s se # i y to water dainage should a floodoccur.. Mr. Taylor
ed, t ie probab 11 i ty of al, 1^0y ar f I ood wais mi nimal
Chairwoman its u declared the public bea Y rr
Mr F e yd O sen 36 ?$ ih a 1401& North, asked about the density ani# the
axe owns p tthe we north h ' is e# L and he was r er e .
about the transition freln the IUM%tohis l n * He stated hat his land should
filled tlo p h ct, l ee s of tip,) p r tpose elevation of the PUP so that his land would
not he fl ooded. He also requested that sewer and water lines be gent low so that;
he would have access 4 -her
t4r* Steve Reinke, Avenue, Nbrt,h, stated that fie did not appreciate the
attitude expressed by Mr. Tuaylor in iii in iti i gz concerns, about the wt ds, and
flooding. Hle inquireaabout; the status, of Mndigra Read anci sitdtedwas concerned
bout the fillingand '-soc-a es neighboringgag stated wast
opposed this project.,, and nD',,.ed the single family residen..".1al property acrossOL:nine end . k ,stated that e -eft the -a—d d e
was not :c0i"Patible with Ue are&
Shiela Scharnowski, 1654 _- ,h Avenue Norte, stated that she lived next does*to the
proposed pr y, and Ithat theyhad ars existin5 eater problein already tith wtlase-
rentsin the area. She was na erne about, the impact. the new level pme
Vf1s -problem. SN stated that she Te l the ror-!merciaT proposal` alnnq P14ghway 55
Vias _ - She inquired a A the completion of 31st Avenue North, and. staff
responded that this developmiant not generate that., and that it could be vacated
i f It were determined that it was not needed. She asked about the churCh property
use should the property han3e handisj, and staff resmcnded that it wouldprobably e
used as a oa care, sch.-I etc. v and, that such prop-*Irty would, not i e y becorle
corriercial, sine the property is not -3uMed thatIlay
Commissioner 'Selgerwald inquired about the met.Rnvf water in., the basettientsin the
neighborhood, and Mt -s. rots ` responded = that she has eater in her basement for
ar c months in the 's r qac, but others in her rczz have it all year around.
far !.ou Treibenbach, 16520-.> tAvenue Nr h, saes that they I)ad tater problems
ash spring, o she Pee` s that if the lend is filled they will have moi*e problems*
They had surface witer past spring, and if theela i -were changed it would come
their basement. She alsia Irelsuired about the anount ofa required for parks,
and if the developer had to f:ur v e it. Staff res-,*,lnded by, stating that the it
plans did not n ne a park in s area, but that a trail ci4,--ridor was
ioeae
David More 3160 P *-n Lane, inquired' about the type of ownership and 5 1ca ranges
of the bquslnq in the development. He mentioned a 6oncern about the traffle
n Ouokirk Lane, He also stated that Dunkirk tare was in roor condition for so much
ra ! C.
ha r ; an Vas it lou recognized, Nr. Ta. ()r who respov ems to the s a e erts !*I,(3 e`by
e neighboring property wens r lt they serasedwheyeetieAr _C4, is necessary, e gg ""be fact that s i',ret e res enti `n character and would, provide r° -res
lily homes. 'ho water will gointoapondIfs1edeepenedto ` ac -OxCesS, wdisplaced ;' the
They ray proven t e problenfres b3V i t'St i l p!,n s a nd starm
e t` f er r :! running, t exist & m -T, 14- es. T an car ltn f t', .;rch
property should reg ai n residential n n A, and, further deve gent imuld provide
security" or u,# -s and there would he rowe force against,,a coniiercialase on the
chtirch pr per . P nned reads and future fliqhway 55 interchange p ans .nOd properl,
solve traffic prtis seen today.
Chairwoman Vasilie e he pt,1 ie`hearing.
MOTION bem; ssie er Threinon, seconded by Commissioner t4llre to act on this
Pin tonight.
MWIONI CARRIED 6-0-0 n Favor
A0 N by Comi s signer Threinen iconced by Com-missioner I-1 re to recon-r-t--ndrecon-r:--nderail
of the ?'I PUP Concept Plan. for "Li i p( n " for the follow! nq reasons
I. unproper tra,tsitiOn across Pun ,.&k Lane and higher density housing s not
integrated; the nur ber, of units is too small for a viable Nrneownersassocia-
AMhL yen.
Conjecture of extent of land rlmation- - i premature o act because the
Department ofNatural Resources has not approved the suhstantial proposed viet.
and filling- advertise deternination wofe
3. ' t+ .Ion of wetlato, pop single family residential is extensive and build-
ability is questionable and Should be subject to detail engineerint, review as
to water drainage patterns ` r the area
4. Density is, contrary e establit'hed PUD standards and approvals. appropriate
density would be 2.1 uin s per acre above the established flood elevation.,
including one density bonus point for project size in excess of 40 acres.
The number of proposed unifts is e eessi r even with, full extension of *.
guiding across the property-,,,
Access to Ounkii. '-ane should align w h 33rd Auenurth so that if re
s nay gat en would be possible; or, access should be onto future Medina Road,.
Discussion ensued and e nass e ,er Thr inen, stated ny Further redesign should
include review the need for 31st; Avenqe andthe effect its vacation rilght have
on area wa t r problems as this property develom, He stated he was supportive r
the e ier a industrial and Medina Read ;aspects of the concept.
omr-nissie e Wire, explained e Was i, supportive f the high density, particularly
get of vvietland and drainage probloms on this property and in, the area.
MI1` N CARRIED
L. ,+ <.-Ooff; ISSI!:I V£VT.,,
1-' r, ce FF&PT ,r uG i,s Esta sty UID t Plan.,
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this item was Introduced hy staff who reviewed the February 22, 1981" st-a f report..
St a i' a i ne the- issued i v vert, i rr u a variance for pe size, arra
re d ation tc the Councill as to amending +,he Five Year r ela v
ext,ension of Putil it s , icksburg Dwane.
M4 rr. Rice Satter , r V; * KnutsontAi t , the, e,
ras;?a d 1_ the staff report ane fro n ' He stated that,
flood plain and ocher features wo.l - reserver. The property to the east o
Vicksburg Lfie would developed as an RPUD per C'ity Couincilr,,inn. The density
a '3.4 tar is per acre is proper as it is loomated nears .he doviwn Pllymouth area.
Ile stated thal they Uon't thellevoy ire overt all the site and consider it an
t r t,on' of she R r 's to the east. He, stated that this is no a low and, rro ra"t
incOme i oasi (_z Project so l: y would noanybonus points for ra .r°I ; or
t hey a repro s rig r-
threebe ro rr rrrr° ts,, and Oey w*uld be of a townholiUse c!,9-ara%;ter. spy east they, ars
eligible for ors points for affirmative design as they are proposing o prcserve
thema,*ority of the flood plain area. They proposeto open ponding areas for further
enhanooment of the s tl . The timing for utility construction sees Tog cal in the
0 d A l € risth area*-
They questior the d_-zdc ion of '*bonus" of s, per ordinarie if it is viewed as an
extension o PUDthe east are proposing the addition of bonus points,
and request that the 25 acre minimum ag ed entirely. ort r s Ioner Throinen
ooserved thdt, if points are deduced, per rt ft, and +U ' -,n "bonus-" points are
ads ae t $ 3 y »4 •sA..a U13 k . a.v P r Iasro'-Je , P ax RYdd 27ar xroul l b of s r acre
Coviltmissioner1-ire requested explanation as to iustification for a PIN, of less thea 4
acres, ,. r ordinance criteria and how could this contribute to the a-rlenllties' of the
Mr. Sathrr,qpondedthat 'there S 'a lot of open space %{n thin the proposed dweloprient
aria " e come up from the creed would provide a connection
with the major trail corridor.
Mr. Fra -,,,k ..arson s .o '
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n ir platting o'the downtown Plyrriouth area. They
are proposing this development i,, .conjunction with he PUDIS which. were directed by
tete City Council. The entrances align with torose of the 's directly the east
f this proposal,, and the trail in downtown Plymouth extends through this PUCI and
ra " *s area Is ars " i d ndum" to all `- amenities providers to the east.
They are oevelotftq this tit this time because the downtown Plymo h arra is at a
investment "crossroads"; they are tfinning this development so that commercial develop-
nent can be stimulated.
ha r oman Vasiliou stated that Akre was war of the costs' to both the City and to
the levelo , ar$ also referred to earl°'x.,r Plymouth Hills pre.posals and approvals,.,
She Mated that the size of the project did "ot make a viable homeoviner's association"
since i takes -t 100 air % workableassociation,.
tor. , Lar son responded that They wanted a higher density originally'. but he lives in
a development o 8 omits and to have a very succesOul homeowner's association,,
They feel this is r°pare compatible to the downtown area. He also stated that sewer
And nater was now effectively available u tilt. property; he realized they might have
to provide fvr a trunk 1qaln r,gfher than a a,=_,)ral eittension across the property.
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a, a6 §?es tia C^ i`a K a R.'a 8 ,, s'a'' R,w• t "fi t Y9• *.. ti': , x , -a,:
Mir. Parlan fl' s, 16440 C e . stated thallt hit- 11and bordersthe creek across
Coutity Road q. Ile inquired about vihere she water goes e the other sidethe creex,.
e the ae ,. once ' across r ;proposed. esk w,d
70 also inquired, us to why, the lan'41the west., w suiGe ublicil inn-pu ` .
Staff responded the '-,' at a tlthis area would , School site
d i -mater ank"'I sees€` are -zot scheduled,tot*endwee-, ' t Vicksburg Lane
u"It f 1 1983 -
Jerry Poland,,, 42126 Il ` h Dunkirk , stated his concernw lk- r Utility expansion
prion to, MR3,, at a if they extend. for this devOoprent,, will they ,nll- *R nue to
t farther iues . MIr. Scathre stated that. wh,!t they are proposing is s° -stem:
with City plans for future utility developnent. Mr. Poland stated concern as to the
City d r" rig to the long range plans to protect land owners; he does not tizant
prerature utilities because of this ev 4 *
Chairwoman Vasil ion€ clostd the public hicaring,,
t by, Comiissioner Wirt:, secondee by Cormissioner,Threinea to act on this
petit'ion this evening.
AN PARR15DD Al in Favor
fi , s er, Thr , seconded b ` iss r ir rr l
of the Concept Plan for 'T'T--iouth Mills Estates" for the following -reason-.
Utilities are not scheduled ,, she Dr r4 until, -19-83. tee, lard West i 's.
burg Lane is clearlyrural and extension might lead to "leapfrog" og" ve r y
Plyvii.--uth Hills should be dbvelope first- this plan s prem.attr .
CommissionerThree nen stated he vias very concerned about creat-ing unduecreat-inpressure
I a nd,she west, especially for owners who crave depended on the y's C.I.P. lie
al so, stat9d ceniccrnthat approved PUD's In serviced areas, such as Plymouth
were not devoloring, and teas a premature 4pproval such as t1his vis not in ordqr.
ss k stated the proposed density was too high dnd presumed
cradit for wfetlandsw
Coiumissioner StOger ld t torr d and observed that the limi-Its. of Downtown Plymouth
surd be Vicksburg.ane.
StaFf Suggs that,; since the recommendation was based upon the C.I.P. ut441ityC..
s.n issue, the Covnuission m, ight offer sopie direction as, to the Concept Plan,
sero P d the Couircil rule, o0erw.tse on the utility matter.
Pmriiss,loner Threinen reiterated his position on prematuredevelopment,' and with-
outout being presumptive as to timing, svigested the following:
I. Si,4,,e variance he grante&
2. Apply conditions' - n the staff report.
3. Allow bonus points for affimmative design, to compensatefor deducted points
for a maximan density o u is/acne, h ' units and cul-de-sac the
u r° vareaare e i iit; the m ';aT mets being
Sta—' f that` :° uni ts at V at den, i tppitta+ based on r he csato i ,.
na ^,'E x4o f '`kq ^a S+ rt "fit' » y -w per ti,R sra .ol thus, thep ;`, ? rare, fz..y , t. e, :. j «r, x' 's.i a:.a r ` .^°^ -.'ti ' :t p s''r» ,
X .baa. J un;ts
e ns i ! ' `na '! the r an N I e q r te_ Qac. 'r :.a x . -iftn
Va u .:e'4 cnr fir, ",Kout- the'*,< :size and viability as, a
tee •';-', *a
r,:+..rsamx.+.w+ -+w.rrc.,«ew.-y.re.,,a-n;;s,r maro.-w.....+ua-a•ro-ra.:.a ew:o-u.a...-ss,x+,aa.,.a..:,,.w:«,..,«.,.-.x,.xi.-..wxY,+.„e...wx rxs..+:.*a:a wa.vr.>,wsnm,.a,.,xw.t.ari .ex.«rcwv„»
Favoz-
rhe mteel` recessed at 10-; 0V NiM. and esf& fed cr 1?-10 Rm
Reading Of the February 251" 100 CI staff rear wa!; waived. . a"i . 1 -ins Hagen presonted
a graphic she proposed z r ml i u-ri buildings. AMr. Hagen stated that he coticurred
with the staFf report-, arra that the 35 11oot front yard ° afor single Family
bo<zes 1viould restrict ihe tvne of hones -411hat coulcl be pla.,od on corner lots. t
at they try to alternate the hzos*ies wilthir the, davelfnx enf to provide
varie-tv. H cwwmonted on the r n saying they are det'licating a park but
they o r know ' w u l I r
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delicate r pay whatever is cue per policy, brt cuestionwhether this is premature
t this, t a
Discussion ensued regarding ' r" dedication fees. Mr Hagen stated that it is very
c, x wt r n sctaa _a '
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corrIented the i rr Pol icy is applied at the tine of finalat, and the park
is proposed lie dedicated with a subsequent final plat k credit would be determined
at that time. flaqcn acknowledged the D i c ion Pyr icy requirements, but stated
icy was, coasistentwith tri .'nterpretation of she,
s!"ate statute. tie indicated the state attorney general may he re g , "ung i iunid
park dedication ithe near future.
Tile pro -posed entrance i Tmnumen' sign was discussed, wi, Commissioner.s concurring
that it appearedto be quite imassive in design, bit -aesthetically pleasing if i,
co u reduced i owtnq err irr, , gra i
drt o that he would tweet with staff to re -view, r 4
p ventrance- -
4 - -d return later with revised plans.'
na landscaping in the quadriminium arwwas discussed, and Mir. H(Iprr stated that
the CoresEngineers r stated r the Cite could germ along the pone but
Private or could not. Staff stated this shoull' be verified it, the City
End * neer, the herming was a basic f ire of the "landscaping ar=k the trans-
ition to the South.
Regarding the setbacks, Staff indicated thqse had been specifically reviewed a
rrk Matting, and r rrr rrproper issance ofrr
err ng V rmitt. Mtr agen stated ire ncurr d V.11 r except
for the yards of rorner lots adjacent to Oth Avenue 1wher would prefer a '20
foot minimuim rather than 35 feet. Staff the Shallowest.- PUP froat yard
setback has been 25 feet.
01 i'uar $lA.+g W. s: .„4
F'l r s e<-im `•` rd a y Cnn , ',R« ”, . "y r T > '^ w
r e t y#
for Van fen aptd- inal z, r
st; 4ect to the fitN"Towi r `omli !
Corz,,Iiance with the 0 +,,v Engineer's for thls project" r04-iom hi t
m >` oif thk-z r' l.' ruia y 14 () rllemohas; hese il'pl t d.
tNF park delc "'4 tees 1.1 lieu ofdc " for RTdtae im u d
deve"c"cr 't of trail in amcomlance with dedication PSI icy ireff lct at tho
T. f." ra .] ia.n e Oth ht rwb. PCI
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r ak ' c r t t ai stlw-1, water p ax.
4* S tit narinq to in, arncv with adopted r an * q al icy..
yard s aaclfi'S etre" O In "aaccordarce, wilth ordI na nce stamdard,,%
the IFOI I Otaingxcel' side yard garal r`` feet; side y to dtu l' i ' 1
fePI ; nall comner Iat yards on 4th Avenue or shall he 'c!A, feet as shown
on the t Ian dated, ' 8fix,
6 MIninull width of installed eistlt*st collector stroet within, the designated 60
steal $, r1 feet- `al e, T sb i cn +*f.;k,'"'4nA se and desF w''t ...>''1+
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Engineer.
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A 4. '4k'F. ulhle ro nt ' n ilong 46th Avenue Nott W sh T. d b designed .. t exit on
IL, ft e Icastri v d ` - 7 e.
C. '° r mmrierf s. association documents iie reviewed by th.e, CIty Attorney shal
I -e open space and ponding
area of the qrtor rr development.
Mo building pemits shall be issued until the f i 'i plat has been filei
ennerin€ '
I permits shall be is -sued until City contracts have nwriled for
he construction of sanitary, smer, r certificates of occupancy be issued
until municipal utilities are installed.
Compliarce, with app`"icable sections of Section-, Subdivision Z of the Zoning
rdinance relative final *,atting domients. for planned unit developtletts.
Submittalo v entrance -0xi m*nt sign plam, reduced in size, prior
issksllm. N.-
approved PUS intrance mxium.e¢-tsigns.
13. Landscaping in quadrimnium area per appmved plans, ,c unre n .
ordinance a rfomance guaranteas, for 24 on't s a yiftted re r*
o quadrirminiulm building pem t.
14. Li n ; , to be added along thetrail rr -:far and plan' shall be suh-
Mitted for r;4V wf.
M311"ION CARRIED All i; Favor
February .ry 27. 1 Sq.
I, t teal` i€:ya. o F "err ay - x sz8 staff " ortwas waived. Mr# 1 an F st, d and
Vt. Paul Zeltins, were present. Vt. Zeltins stated that he uns unsiv-e, as to, w -hart
the eventaal use of the imuilding would 1,0; ho is censtructing a, lar,-r r 1,uildlng
thars e needs at this tinei 'y speculativee';ti'ni. p44' Q needsk y v f S feet
to -provide all the ultimate part i raga n red for this MO., he propevses at this time
to occ py 113 of the 1*,ttildina.
Wrissioner Ateigerwald left the tahie at 11M P.M.
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formissOner Tlireinen stated that lie a ,.rohle - Wi the Nilding ex ansfon
only the parkiry for the reser- use. Nis czncern is Wth t1he future uses of th-
building,
yyyan '
ge
capacity of the
couldi not
e o support
futureg
t°
g,g y
rItwit r` nance apdard ..
A. 201tins `n nom. i,. °'`` that &e u d iAot 'w sure d 8. 3tiru i:,+ uses.
Ir. tT`uStad, the architect, dispated whether a variance wns relevant now; staff
reviewed he orbinance languageand stated that tho s _, iqu y ` orr
was effective then they petitioner received site plan ap,,roval on t4arch 6, IM
k"Resolution No. Staff noted she Council direction then to revise the plans
to elininate variances; that the D r proposed 1,irger building was not consistent
with that direA:tio-n,
iho site for Paul Zeltins,citing the earlier approval for this patitioner for
is property; card the r r p o basis established for a variance.
e
4-1-0 Arniss,kner Threinen Against
aynrss on r Threinen stated that he has mixed feelincsbs he recognizes the
intent of the ordinance art previous fountil prx , but side yard variances have
G b2en considered previously. The degree of need is not clear in this case.
Site Plan . merdmo nt/
The reading the Fobruary 2, 1980 staff report was waived. Mr, Fran Hagen was
present representing the petitioner* 10 stated that they were petitioningo up-
gradedhsite to aTlouti. Ar a new tenant in the building. It stated that thQOY
wouid prefer no deferral of plans for -redesign as suggested by staff*
Discussion ensued regarding hn neer' sem ra err s r -,igen tioned the
legality ocondition r r* ng, t -of -way purchase; he stated that they had
no pr hl -em with the right tarn lane,* but were r ious abort how much land would b
nepjieto complete this. ; stated that manholes wcare preferredover clearouts.
Mr.. r i9en s tAedl they wished to keep the present sign structures*
said they question the City elkinating access to a Stade i9hVf:,-(versus a city
street) and inquireds to whose perogative A was. it stated that a cut should
be allqw& in the rediae to al nw access on VicksbQ:ru I tra.
Staff cornziented the City Engineer uould be inforned of ev r tr n is concerns prior
to Council tearing. Staff explained the Oosing of acres4the highwAaky was not
proposed on behalfthe g i g Department! rather it wasdeetm*dp r a from.
use of the'Mdflding-
fit a" +hey had- subliUed reviisedp Fansoln 4 i-mpr g Vin,- ` traf-If
that the revised "Tams hai gieen d. .
Ja
t pr: Vacs-,, $ t"em, )fsthter sed clf tl;e revised plams and stated t ey feel
hcvo- a u -ea `For the prorosed terra s Trollswould b amiil lel
troesbuild. to "the pfropaloading deand moule, nat project
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floe vo IF ori-si t s -affic in the south area.
Mr. Artiold relnberg spoke regairdira the exmsiollt ,,)f VicP-*rqLeas. H*`4.#.Z
that he felt- Ithal". it we-ild be less %&icostlyCityify.: acquired Sa s x> "'Id
m, the west sidle rather thanesu side to-lirmm ze impimt on thi
114ie disputedtnr recommendationa e pay for additional right-of-way. Staff
rtr d z*'.hat this had, beevin discussed with the City 'rnqineer who felt -h t'ul
be done as a ria" -ter of site `` or it to allow some shift in the drilving suarface.
away fro!n the sem`'g siated that they were not askinq -r
they were concerned minly with actual placement of the rmid, Ie suggested
the City should all,',.quire needed right-of-way 'rr ou roc s r condemnation.
f - ran Hagen stated concerns in than, s f memo in items 8. 10 and 11 w r, spoken to
in the revised plans, end steelpests carl llie u -se -d to delineata -h -grade
grange on the east s i -
MOTIO y i ss Tori he seconded by Commfssioner Vire, ove.
the roquest by Robe& ow/Sty. Croix V,-antur~ s for site plan amendnent/change, o
use uli c the following conditions,
Corpliance, with the Engineer's Menorandum- with item timiber 4 to be clarified
hy Cit„ Council.
Trash disposal facilities shall be' within, the tilding andthere small be n
outside storage of ma.-erfals or products.
3. Fire hydr4nts and fire lanes shall be in accordance with City 'Wes and, Policiess.
4.. All signage ' shall be subject to City ordinancestandards.`
5. Petakiled design vehicle driving area of the e st side of the building in
accordancP with engineering revise proposed upr,-ding plans for Vicksburg
Lane
6. Location and design of curd crit onto 32nd Avenue Northth pEngineering standards
7. Submittal of a maxis Run us "proof of parking plan".
e. Submittal of required site performance financial guarantee for
period of 24 months.
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Provision forad- alif'ina 4I p`..a i nus, i r. tic vokn ce t h tom:
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a. appropriateisiot `c ' a` of off. d `` print a
u :i o reet ig and not -ipen thIansIanre ie staff. f-to, notled ltbti age o`
tte and theimract of Vicksburig Lane developmen"'. upon thle site Citing
her try s where se"11-ack, variances. had een, all ov d.
ll sinner- n Rated that e sa -N withthe not 41 i , `
Nigh-wayshould imcd as a rikatter of sound site l n l".sbur '.ane
a riallor thoroughfare, and should e sufficient to provide all necessary access; and
r ss fror,, this site, considering the new curb cutonto rdf "Wenue,
con_, Ion 5 reed: Flirtination of existing curbcut an; s onto, Hlighway 1_515!j and
to add l'tt ,° V x• a the- northwest
art oh to shall- i i t and shall fie # dsic.
Vf TION CARRIED 4-1-PCommissioner T.ireinen Agai-",t
Staff stetted concern that the actionetas based on plans which have not been
v vzd— and that if._ was not clear adequate, r m : g was allowed the
souths _ e.
Chairvxl,Ll"'Si you called fora vote on theallmotion as once amended.
MOTION R L t All in Favor
VIDTION * Corgi zer Thre nen, ,": n er .. defer ~ -
tion of Applications o. P0007 aand 0` x_NM2 until a later Meeting since neither peti-
tionerneer ws present.
A TOI CARRIED All in Favor
The reading of the February 22, 1980 staff r ipOrI wais waived. Mir. David Squires of
e} t over and e i letterihsKnutson `
stated that they did not comply with the PI armingtdirective regarding
looping the cul-de-sac because tbey felt they would v viable alternative as
shown the existing nnti by creating a cormonintersection and they fed. this
would cause to traffic flow, problem. ` nle crosswalks requested are sbown on the
revised' plat. and as directed by the Planning Corimaission at their 2/13,180 meeting*
He stated, that parking would Abenai n' one side o the privatestreets,, and
have added 39 zmpplemental spaces to,accomodate guests and visitor's to the
GIG S ION!
develop -rent I*hey have provided 11 tot'llots on soilth fim- "future cicvOonT,ent-.-
a4?:" ether etier°s experience, they felt
this was viable., .he topen srac, on he rest is 'arge' enough to e ar an "open
Chairwomin Va ilv iou recognized Mr. Mike S,ie ha, ?'33 ' I att;n o 0 ntla,
who is a partner, in Evergreen gr eve x pr -i mt, 'jmr ora o " ystated that
x JthA- rxv j¢£of a i"i[r yX be i -h _ `8"omn Orbe t r r?i ? tried2Y1..: b,.P. c+: -Tm has,fi.-a..-.,.:L Yi:..Yx ..# 'v6 F. have14.a
to er,,,hasilze the open snam
c c , s igner< ""re state": sole recreational such as in -he vest open area,
ue-uld N aprgate in, *onsiderat,,ion of the four amts carried over from she
1— -ted by flood O'Cairt.
rha irvioman Vasiliout recognized Swanson 0 Pleasant Lane, who is in, imavket-
orvergeen Corpora' ion, and she stated that it seemdthat
potential buyers preferred w re are it es- on a site as opposed, to public a .s,,
municipal P* sI, ett., he don't want _ v these m dwithinhitheir Duro
velDement because, as e w er s within that development., they will e requirgd,
gay far t1he gee /cost of those amenities.,
Choi rworwa Vasiliout recoqnizedMr. Jose,,ph lihitney of 1645 -e pin Ave ue, . e aii s,
wth ,a ted thalt, they had not i r yen d t u tot l s -in the oath port l - the
f not 1 ha ' y rre _ ,.hey l attract
h is rather . the cost extra amenities will keep prospective buyers a wta
Commissioner 14reinen commentedthat he wa,viell ware that most homeowner's as4eeia-
dons dont care for the upkeep of tete projects but that the City would held account-
able for Iar omised amenities.He stated that he viould much rather the developer
a net promise to install amenities rather ;than have theneglected, or not installed.
Staff comnented that the City has no policyr ordiname that dictates specific
r ane i i in private developments- while the Citi carries the general burden for
E rev i d 41-19 parks a.4. recreational f -lines site Man'ree t nomally speaks ,t
provislon for -site a!,;lenities.
VITIONby Commissioner Wf r e,, seconded by Chairwoman Vasi i rr to recomiltend approval
for Evergreen Development Corporation for " lymrrth Creek, subject to the, owr
conditions.
I. Compliance w he City Engineer's Mle"morandum.
2. Street ria;ga- to be per City polity*
3. Park dedication
I
andpayment I Feu of dedication sial be in accordance
with Resolution #78-661 and current. t ar4 dedication policy at the time
of nal Platting
4. C i an e with provisions of Section 63 of the Zoning Ordinance relative t
san a s° s h mr
Removal of all dead or i s ase trees at the owner* sensup
ISSION
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w,y
Petailed plans s ralszubmit-Ac s to 'l t r nal r`e Tinkages with public
a?'
lie north-southof ctr trail Shall be designated ils an outlot.,Frith the
tial fftml plat; dedication kindimprovemomtss tnerete.a e. harried
forward O tdevelopmentcontracts as completion of the vkrt s areas
is finlt
Iutlot ter Hills Addition, and Outlot A, Plymouth Hills Additioillshall
rx%.
sader-
01,3tlot B as approved, by she 'Cite Engineer.
Drainage and grading design shall be consistent with file approved_envirormentol
assess,,ent worksheet for Lire area as verified y the City n n t
Shmuld 'Aie homeoviners, association elect tQ ansa i nifties the developer
shall install such amrrts kit their expense before they leave the develop-
rent,
evelop-
r, and-,sstrme responsibilityr,completion of such, arzenit s*
February 2- 1980
MOTION '111 TEND by Comissioner Larsonj seconded by Chairwonan 7'as*liou to change
Cc r -; n # t read'' that; s steal b established the south side the
develojv*nt with the developiment of that area.
tTMON CARRIEP AT I in Favor
Chairwoman psi you called for a vote on the main i,,iotion as Dace ainended.
It CARRIED All in Favor
Correction to the February, 13, 1980 minutes by Commissioner Wire regarding the
It 's noticing homeowners of proposain advance of `the meeting. He stated
staff should anticipate neighberhood concerns and assure neighbors have reviewed
submitted plans
i
Staff reiterated that plant are always available for review and the required m 1110
to. property wen rs r a ns that..
Threinem, seconded , Commissioner to approTevthle minutes of
the February 1 , 1 iascorrected.
MOTIONCARRIED ,1 4 Commissioner Pauba Abstained
Staff revievied Council direction that a < Commission representative and alternate should
be designated to the Plymouth Development Chun it a r of an asi t ; 'stated this
should be placed n the next agenda.