HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 12-12-1979PLANNING COMMISSION
City of Plymouth
December 12, 1979
A regular meeting of the Plymouth Planning Commission teas called to order at
7,30 0..m. by Acting Chairperson Maria Vasiliou in the Council Chambers of the
Plymouth City Center at 3400 Plymouth Boulevard.
MEMBERS PRESENT. Commissioners Vasiliou, Threinen, Larson, Steigerwald, and Wire,
With Chairman Schneider and Commissioner Barron arriving late.
MEMBERS ABSENT. None
STAFF PRESENT: Community Development Director Blair Tremere, Community Develop-
ment Coordinator Marvin Ray, Planning Secretary Barbara Anderson..
Genn lTrnst representing Eva n e i5T 5urc h, (A-55-57 Conditional Use Permit
This item was introduced by staff who reviewed the December 7, 1979 staff report.
The request is for a conditional use permit to install a steeple on an existing
church structure located at 705 Highway 101,.
Vice Chairperson Vasiliou declared the public hearing open:
Vice Chairperson Vasiliou recognized that the petitioner, Gene Ernst, was
present. Mr. Ernst stated that he had nothing to add to the staffreport.
Vice Chairperson Vasiliou closed the public hearing.
MOTION by Commissioner Steigerwald, seconded by Commissioner Larson to act on
this petition tonight.
MOTION CARRIED 5-0--O All in Favor
MOTION by Commissioner Steigerwald, seconded by Commissioner Larson to recommend
approval of this petition subject to the approval of the plans by the Building
Official
MOTION CARRIED 4-1-0 Commissioner Wire Abstained
due to arriving late
Union Cit Missio Conditional Use Permit'
This item was introduced by staff who reviewed the December 6, 1979 staff reports:
The petitioner is requesting a conditional use :permit for a shelter for victims
of family violence to be located in an existing building at the south central
portion of the site between the chapel and Medicine Lake on the Union City
Mission property. The petitioners herd an informational meeting on Monday,
December 10, 1979,
Vice Chairperson Vasiliou declared the public ,searing open.
Discussion ensued regarding the number of persons who wn:,ld be residing at the
proposed shelter at any given time, and staff stated that the Building Code
provides for the maximum number of persons that can be housed. It may also be
covered by State licensing.
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Acting Chairperson Vasiliou recognized Mr. Leonard Boche, representing the
petitioner. Mr. Boche stated that they must meet the Boarding and Lodging Require-
ments of the Board of Health. There is no specific licensure as yet for this
type of operation since it is relatively new. He said the State Department of
Corrections has approved the facility design. They do not plan to have more than
three or four volunt-eer staff people on the premises at any given time. The
total staff compliment will be about eight people with volunteer staff assisting.
He stated that persons who needed to make use of the shelter would be arriving
on their own, or by cab (they may make an arrangement with the cab companies
co be reimbursed for fares later).
Commissioner Threinen inquired about visitors for those persons using the
shelter, and if their families would be allowed to visit the,i- Mr. Boche
responded that if the situation warranted, visitors would be allowed. The
clients of the shelter would be seeking aid from various social set -vices, and.
representatives of those set -vices would be coming to visit; since the stay of
any client is anticipated to be ten days, other agencies would be :endinq in
representatives for counseling. Mr. Boche stated that pre-school children may
be with their parent; school age children must attend school, and that will be
the responsibility of their parent(s).
Considerable discussion ensued regarding the involvement of the Plymouth police
force and the possibility of hiring special protective service personnel. Mr.
Boche responded that it was possible to hire special protective personnel; to do
so, however. would require extra funds, which had not been allocated for this
purpose. This service operates on a cost -reimbursement basis and this would
place a burden on their cost operating budget. lie said he had read the Police
Chief's memo and agreed with subsequent review of the use and security should
problems develop,
Vice Chairperson Vasiliou stated a public hearing had been scheduled and that
no one other than the petitioner was present. Mr. Boche noted that no one had
attended the informational hearing on the 10th.
MOTION by Commissioner Threinen, seconded by Commissioner Larson to close the
public hearing and act on this petition tonight.
MOTION CARRIED 5-0-0 All in Favor
MOTION by Commissioner Threinen, seconded by Commissioner Wire to recommend
approval of this petition subject to the following conditionsi
I. Compliance with all applicable codes, regulations, and ordinances and
violation thereof may he grounds for revocation.
2. Review and approval of existing utility provisions or new utility extensions
by the Engineering and Inspection Departments.
3. Submittal of detailed parking provisions for this facility with the remodeling
plans submitted to the Building Official for necessary remodeling permits.
4. Should calls fcr the Plymouth Police exceed 24 calls per year, the Condi-
tional Use Permit shall be reviewed, as to need for and provisions for
private security services.
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S. 'There will be an annual renewal or review of any change of use whichever
occurs first.
MOTION CARRIED 5-0-0 All in Favor
Ffenry Fa er"(7906 Final Plat Approval
This item was introduced by staff who reviewed the December 6, 1979 staff report.
Henry Faber is requesting final plat approval of a plat for 12 single family lots
and 3 outlots.
Vice Chairperson Vasiliou recognized Dick Pouliot, who was present representing
the petitioner. Mr. Pouliot stated that all the existing buildings except the
one on Lot 5 would be removed, and staff: commented that this would be inserted
into the development contract.
Con issioner Threinen observed there would be design and access problems with
the land to the south; and while that was not the responsibility of this
petitloner, the City should recognize the constraints and anticipate the problem.
MOTION by Commissioner Wire, seconded by Commissioner Steigerwald to recommend
approval of this petition subject to the following conditions:
I. Compliance with the City Engineer's Memorandum.
2. Conveyance to the City of Outlot A and Outlot D for right-of-way and utility
purposes.
3. Private drive and access to West Medicine Lake Drive shall be prohibited.
4. Development of all bots relative to issuance of building permits shall be in
accordirace with minimum ordinance yard setback. requirements.
S. Payment of park dedication fees in lieu of dedication in accordance with
City Policy in effect at the time of filing of final plat.
6. No building permits are to be issued until municipal utilities are physically
available to the property,
7 Compliance with the City Council Policy Resolution No. 79-80 regarding sub-
divisions containing or adjacent to storm water holding facilities.
8. Removal or demo'14fion of all structures not in conformance with City Ordin-
ance standards; speci is llv, all structures except the dwelling on Lot '5.
9. A covenant prepared for Outlot C indicating that the use of the outlot is
intended to facilitate the development and design on the property to the
south shall be approved by the City !'sttorney and filed with the final plat.
10. Rezoning shall be finalized at the time ,of final platting.
MOTION CARRIED 5-0-0 All in Favor
The meeting recessed at 8:20 p.m. and resumed at 8,25 p.m.
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To—minium Fbup, Inc 9, Site Plan, Variance and
Conditional Use Permit
This itept was introduced by Vice Chairperson Vasiliou and the staff report review
was waived as there was no one present other than the petitioner concerning this
Item. Staff commented on the storage areas and the MHFA Parking Study, stating that
Plymouth's requirements regarding parking are not excessive.
Chairman Schneider arrived at 8:33 p.m.
Vice Chairperson Vasiliou recognized Mr.. Jack Safcn,, of Dominivra Group, Inc.
Mr. Safar spoke saying that they are providing what the zoning ordinance
requires in the number of parking spaces. With respect -to storage they have
24 garages and feel that they would be of sufficient size to accomodate bulk
storage. Within each dwelling unit they have a 9' X 6' mechanical/stor.age
area partially under the stairways and this space would accomodate some items
for storage. They feel that the storage space within each unit, combined with
the garages and cubicle storage areas exceed the requirements by HUD.
Commissioner Barron arrived at 8:41 p.m.
Mr. Safar stated that contained in this mechanical storage area would be a
furnace and a hot water beater, which would reduce the actual storage space.
He also stated that there will be on-site management who will police the
area to prevent "bikes and truces" from appearing on the grounds when not being
used. He stated soil and water table conditions would not permit basements.
Vice Chairperson Vasiliou rec(—nized Mr. Janis Blumentals who, in responding
to an Inquiry try Commissioner Threinen, stated that the entry -ways were of a
foyer type.
Mr. Safar commented that the 4' X 6' cubicle storage in the garage buildings is
included in the price of the unit; there are 20 garages for rent which Would be
in addition to the price of the unit.
Chairman Schneider reiterated his concerns about inadequate storage and endorsed
staff's suggestion that a detached or attached non -garage building be added.
Commissioner Threinen agreed and verified with staff that such a building could
be provided within ordinance setbacks.
MOTION by Commissioner Threinen, seconded by Commissioner Larson to recommend
approval of the site plan., variance and conditional use permit subJet.t to the
following conditions:
I. Compliance with the City Engineer's Memorandum.
2. Payment of Park Dedication Fees in accordance with park dedication policy
in effect at the time of building permit issuance.
3. Revised plan providing for additional h-ousehold storage space of a minimum
36 square feet for at least 20 units to r*> placed within an additional
structure (not a garage), which may be or detached within required
setbacksr
4, Any signage shall be in accordance with the Ordinance and reviewed by the
Planning Commission.
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a,. Outside trash facilities shall be locatedand constructed in accordance
with minimum ordinance requirements.
6. Compliance with City Council Policy Resolution No. 79-80 regarding
developments adjacent to or containing storm water drainage facilities.
7. Required site performance financial guarantee shall be germed for 24
months; and cost of the construction of the proposed play areas shall; be
included in the bond provided by the petitioner for on-site developments.
B. Fire hydrant and fire location and design shall be per City Code and
Fire Chief recommendations.;
9. Compliance with City Council Policy Resolution No. 79-73 regarding curbing
and site drainage requirements,
10. Approval includes variances relative to,
A. Parking variance from the covered: space requirement only,
B. Variance to allot up to units per building
C. Variance to allow detach -d garages.
D. Variance for east parking stall: setbacks.
11. All deciduous trees shall be a minimum 2 112 inched diameter and addi-
tional plantings consisting of Black Spruce or Balsam Fir shall be provided'
to further buffer the driving and parking areas from the adjacent residen-
tial lot.
MOTION CARRIED 6^1-0 Commissioner Barron
Abstained
Cha -,Wdn Schneider wished the minutes to reflect the fact that he feels there is
not adequate storage provided within this development.
Commissioner Vasilou said she shared the concern, but placed' much weight on the
petitioner's proposed management policies.
Mr. Safar commented that while he had recuced the number of units to comply with
ordinance requirements he was investigating the possible purchase of some addi-
tional adjacent land, and would return with revised: plans, if successful.
Lowry Hills Construction r.ompar_y 79034 Rezoning and Preliminary Plat
This item was introduced by staff who reviewed the December 7, 1979 staff report,
and who stated neighboring property owners had been notified, :per Commission
direction at the dune 13, 1979 meeting.
Chairman Schneider recognized Mr. George Burkards who was present along with the
petitioner. Mr. Burkards spoke saying that Mrs. Krekelberg sent a letter to the
City Engineer requesting m. tion of a portion of 62nd Avenue North,. He said
there were no further con3nenws as to the staff report.
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MOTION by Commissioner Vasiliou, seconded by gor,rissioner Thrienin to recommend;
approval subject to the following conditions.
1. Compliance with the City Engineer's Memorandum.
2 Preparation of an environmental assessment worksheet for City review.
3. Rezoning only effective with filing of final plat.
4o Final lot layout to contemplate vacation of 62i)L' Avenue right-of-way
and initiation of street vacation petition with the City Engineer.
5, Written correspondence from the Hennepin County Park Reserve District
confirming the area and configuration of the regional park. easement.
6. Payment of park dedication fees in accordance with current City policyW
n effect at the time of filing the final plat.
7. Setback distance from Hemlock. Lane shall be a minimum of 50 feet.
I 8.• Compliance with City Council Policy Resolution No. 79-80 regarding sub-
divisions containing or adjacent to storm water drainage facilities.
MOTION by Chairman Schneider, seconded by Commissioner Vasiliou to amend the
motion to add a ninth condition as follows:
9. Lot 1, Block 4 shall not be subdivided as long as the existing dwelling
remains on the lot; this shall be reflected in a covenant to be filed
with the plat,
MOTION CARRIED 7-0-0 All in Favor
Chairman Schneider called for a vote on the main motion as once amended
MOTION CARRIED 7-0-0 All in Favor
The meeting recessed at 9040 p.m. and resumed at 9.45 p.m,
Landscape_Criteria and Policy Research
This item was introduced by staff who reviewed the December 7, 1979 (Draft No. 1)
memorandum,
MOTION by Commissioner Barron, seconded by Commissioner Vasiliou that they act
on a finalized draft of this criteria and policy at the next meeting (12/19/79)
and send it to the City Council at their first meeting in 1980,
MOTION CARRIED 7-0-0 All in Favor
Staff explained several editorial revisions and corrections and commented that,
with respect to possible formulae for determining a minimum number of trees on
any given site, further research would be in order. Staff commented that a
number of approved landscape plans for various projects throughout the City
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could be quanitatively evaluated in order to establish a typical range of the
number of trees on various sites.
Fxtensive discussion ensued regarding the first draft, and several revisions were
directed, including the following, use of the term "diameter" throughout;
conditionalize item 6 referring to maximum slope "without special treatment such
as terracing and retaining walls"; strike the requirement in number 11 for under-
ground lawn sprinkler systems with possible rewording to encourage the use of
such systems where needed; and reference the use of prairiegrass in item number
6 relating to use of ground covers other than todding.
It was agreed that relative to Item number 2 as to a maximum percentage of coverage
by buildIngs, driveways and parking lots, further research should be applied.
Commissioner Threinen stated another aspect would be to view the requirement as a
maximum amount of waterproofing on any given site.
Relative to item number 3 and the maximum number of trees, Chairman Schneider
noted the difficulty in establishing a hard number versus a general philosophy
of achieving a "substantial number of trees". He suggested that staff should
research various sites throughout the City especially those considered to be
well landscaped and indicate the proportional number of trees against the size
of the site. In further discusuion, revisions were directed to indicate
deciduous trees should be a long lived hardwood variety.
Regarding minimum sizes, staff was directed to obtain cost data for various size
trees.
Regarding item number 4 staff indicated a number of approaches were possible to
establishing a minimum landscaping requirement for parking lots. Staff ;eradicatedn-dicated
that the City of Bloomington uses a flat percentage of 3 percent of the area and
one other ordinance which was researched apprised the amount of landscape islands
to the size of the parking lot at a different ratio than that indicated in the
draft. Following extensive discussion staff was directed to research this further
as various site plans were analyzed.
Regarding the development of an information sheet for developers and designers,
Chairman Schneider emphasized the need to require legible reduced size drawings
to be reviewed by the Commission and the Council.
Staff indicated that a revised draft would be submitted for review at the next
meeting.
MOTION by Commissioner Steigerwald, seconded by Commissioner Vasiliou to approve
the minutes of the November 14, 1979 meeting and submitted.
MOTION CARRIED 5-2-0 Commissioners Barron and
Larson abstained due to
absence from that meeting.
MOTION by Commissioner Steigerwald, seconded by Commissioner Larson to approve
the minutes of the November 21, 1979 meeting as submitted.
MOTION CARRIED 5-2-0 Commissioners Vasiliou and
Wire abstained due to absence
from that meeting.
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MOTION by Commissioner Barron, seconded by Commissioner Threinen to recommend to
the Mayor that Commissioner Vasiliou be designated chairman of the PlanningSCommissionfor1980.
MOTION CARRIED 7-0:.-0 All in Favor
There being no further, business before the Commission, Chairman Schneider
adjourned the meeting at 11:10 p.m.
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