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CITY OF PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA
March 15, 1978
A regular meeting of the Plymouth Planning Commission was called to oruer by
Chairman Davenport at 7:30 p.m. in, the Coundl Chambers of the :Public Works
Building, 14900 - 23rd Avenue North,
MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Davenport, Commissioners Barron, Schneider
Threinen, Vasiliou and Stewart
MEMBERS ABSENT: Commissioner Erickson
STA PRESENT. Charles Dillerud and Kate Marx
A•698 St. Paul Companies/Meadow Corporatioln A-698 Preliminary Plat/Plan
RPUD 76-6
Staff presented the request of petitioner for preliminary plat/plan,appro,Il of the
Rrakeland RPUD 76.6 including 116 single family detached dwellings on the north_
48 acres of the site, known as Nathan Trails, and 240 multiple family units on: the
south 26 acres of the site.: Observations and recommendations of Staff were explained
per the Staff report of March 8 1978,
Commissioner Schneider asked if it was the intent of petitioner to now have a total,
of four curbb cuts to 45th Avenue North, as opposed to the two proposed previously.
Petitioner's engineer, Rick Sathre, McCombs -,Knutson, responded that this would
be preferred in that the two lots would likely be under different ownership.
Commissioner Threinen questioned whether Staff had advised petitioner that the
shed type garages proposed for the site were not currently allowed under
the orovisions of the 7wming Ordinance. Staff stated that petitioner had been
so advised. Mr. Satbre pointed out that it was still' possible for them to
change their plans at: this time with respect to the garages but that federal
approvals were still being awaited which nay require the "shed type" garage
stalls.
The Commission discussed the density'if the project stating that should the
federal approvals not be forthcoming, petitii,oner would already have been allowee,
the density credit amongst the single family units but that the multiple family
units would swill be eligible for density reductions. The Commission continued
q to discuss how the density reductions would be controlled.
Mr. Sath.re asked if the Commission woulr isider the periphery lots at l'ecs
than the 15,500 square feet minimum lot size for transition. The Commission
concuri-ed that -the lots at the periphery of the site should be 15,500 square
feet minimum.
John Gabrielson, Coldwell Banker, stated that the owners of the property, St
Paul Companies, were willing to take the risk represented by the potential loss
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of dens i t,, credi c should the Section E subs 1 di zi ng of the multiple units notbeapproved.
Chairman Davenport closed the hearing at 8:30 p.m,
MOTILIN was made by Commissioner Barron supported by Commissioner Stewart that
the Planning vommission take action on this ;;dem at this meeting.'
MOTION CARRIED (6-0=0) (All in favor)
A-350 Northland -Mortgage A-350 Preliminary Plat of
Napi e Creek
Staff explained the history behind Ue subject project and presented the request
of petitioner for preliminary plat approval Proposed were 130 single family
dwelling lots to be located at the southwest cornet of Vick,lburg Lane and 30th
Avenue North. Staff made racoma,,ndations and observations regarding the request
per the Staff report of 'March 9, 1978.
Commis<ioner Schneider questioned the 58 foot width of the trail and drainage
corridor at its smallest point routed through the center of te property,
Peter Molinaro, representing Northland Mo),tgage, erp,lained the t. 'dth.
Commissioner Vasiliou asked if'Northland Mortgage would develop the property
on their own. Mr. Molinaro indicated that they would be developing the property
and would then sell the developed or improved lots to the buildersinterested.
Commissioner Vasiliou also asked the proposed price range of the homes for the
area; Ken Carlson, Northland Mortgage, stated that the builders bidding on the
area had expressed interest in hones ranging from $90--100,000 ,and up in price.
With respect to the Medira. Road alignment and future traffic potential, it ,.as
asked if it would be possible to alter the cul-de-sac of 29th. Avenue North at
the northeast corner of the plat of mitigate the Medi.:a Road alignment and
potential traffic problems. Petitioner responded that this would, be possible.
Fred Sattler, 16440 -28th Avenue North, stated that he was concerned that the
60 foot wide, trail easements on both the east and west portions of the projec
would eventually be used as a roadway and asked that the Planning Commission
recommend the "center" of Block 6 (ail back yards of Block 6 lots) as a natural
area. He indicated that currently it existed as a habitat for many wild animals
and would like to see the area preserved.
Mary Ellen Witchger, 16531 -26th Avenue North, stated that she, too, was concerned
that 'undesirable traffic would result if an east -west route would evr r be located
within the currently proposed trail easement, of 60 fleet in width toward the
south portion of the plat.
Ted Larson, 16501 -29th .Avenue North,, stated that he too, would prefer to see the
area comprising the back yards of all .Block 6 lots remain as a natural area and
left disturbed as little as possible even during construction in the area.
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Burt Shilkrout, Shenandoah resident, asked if people currently living in the
area would'be assessed for this projei:t. Staff explained the assessment process
to Mr. Shi7.krout and indicated those portions that would affect Shenandoah
directly and indirectly.
Chairman Davenport closed the public hearing at 9;10 p.m.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Schneider supported by Commissioner Vasiliou
that the Planning Commission take action on this item at this meeting.
MOTION CARRIED 6-0-0) All in favor)
Chairman Davenport stepped,down for discussion of the following item Vice
Chairman Schneider assumed the chair.
A-792 Lundgren Bos. Ccnstruction, Inc. A-792 Preliminary Plat/Plan,
Concept Plan for RPUD
78-1 "Burl Oaks"
At its meeting of February 22, 1978, the Planning Commission deferred action on the
subject Concept Plan with specific direction toward modification. In addition,
the public hearing on the preliminary plat/plan was continued with the under-
standing that it would be considered at the next meeting assuming all modifications
had been complied with.. Further, the matter of disposition of the Gleason Lake
peninsula was referred to the Parks and Recreation Advisory Commisson for
recommendation. Staff presented the amended requests -f Lundgren Bros. Construction
Inc. for the Concept Plan and Preliminary Plat/Plan for ti`UD 78-1, Burl Oaks,
and made recommendations and observations regarding the modifications thereto per
the Staff report .of March 9. 1978. Staff p1r ) reported that it was the
recommendation of the Parks and Recreati, AGviso,,° ,ommission that the peninsula
on Gleason Lake be deeded to the Minnes4of Natural Resources (DNR)
as a first option, otherwise to be taken. d`e City of Plymouth.
Commissioner Vasiliou questic,.ed whether G,: : not already received an
opportunity to act upon the purchase of this property. It was stated that they
had been offered the opportunity to purchase the property. The Commission discussed
the possibilities of DNR ownersh,ip of the parcel in greater detail.
Commissioner Threinen addressed the situation of the off -set intersections of
5th Avenue North existing I4o the west and the proposed 5th. Avenue North to the
east of HighwV 101 within the project. He stated that he felt the intersection
should be aligned to match to allow for signalization of the intersection in the
future should greater traffic problems develop for the -irea. With an off -set
intersection, signalization would not be possible.
Russ, Ewoldt, 16925 -9th Avenue North, representing 21 of the residents living on
the south side of 9th Avenue North, reported that neighbors had met with Lundgren
Bros. to discuss the problems they had with the proposed development. He relayed
the following;
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1. With respect to the lots backing up to the lots on 9th Avenue North,
it had been their assumption that since the Planning Commission had:
asked that these be 15,500 square feet, that they would be 15,500
square feet. AltWigh the developer was not representing them as
15,500 square feet at this time, it was still v desire that this be
done.
2. With respect to the storm sewer assessments that would be required, the
neighbors asked that they not be assessed for the storm sewer that would
be a r-,:ult of this project.
3. With respect to the access to Burl Oaks via 9th Avaoje North for the
first portion of the development, the residents asked that a. time limit
be set that would be reasonable both for the residents and the develojve
with a date in mind of September, 1979.
Staff expla ;ped to Mr. Ewoldt how the storm sewer assessments would be handled and.
defined the mc-chanics of the development cantract that the City requires of every
developer which would bind that developer to a closing date for a project as well
as guarantee the improvements be made as contracted.
Mr. Ewoldt stated th," the residents had also asked that the ponds located at
the northeast portion of the project remain as ponds if at all possib1c.
Rick Sathre, petitioner`s engineer, stated that it was not the developer's intent
to seek assessment of the public improvements from the adjacent property owners.
In fact, the assessments would be hand,d by those who would be living within
the project boundaries. Also, with respect to the lots located adjacent to the
existing 9th. Avenue North resid,nts, it was the intention of the developer to
build .;s close to the front setback line as possible, therefore ;gutting the
greatest distance possible between the structures exis-cing on 9th Avenue North
and the proposed structures. Mr. Ewoldt asked if it would be reasonable that
the rear yards of the homes bp 100 feet in depth. Staff indicated that this
iould be possible.
Sandy Werts, 17305 -9th Avenue North, stated that she felt it was important to
consider erosion control, protection and screeninq of the trail from residents
hemselves. She stated that the Luce Line should be pr-tected from having too
many personal paths to it from the homes.
Dick Ziminski, 16900 -9th Avenue North, stated that n,,,orcy,- would possibly
be tempted to take a short route from 9th Avenue North, south across both trail
easements directly to the Lucca Line. He suggested alternatives be sought to
prevent this situation. Mr. Sathre stated that their reasons for locating the
trail as shown were
1. Batter access for the entire project as well as the 9th Avenv- ,north
residents."
2. More direct routing was available this way.
3., It could serve as an emergency vehicle access if need be..
Don Lindgren, 340 Merrimac Lane, stated concern for the entire Gleason Lake area
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and the ecological balance that may be upset by the development of the land
surrounding it.
Mr. Ziminski asked if it would at all be possible for the pond located at the
northeast portion "o drain to the north and potentially flood their properties..
Mr. Sathre stated that the pond was currently designed to drain to the south and
would be redesigned only in a manner: to continue the southward flow.
Ms. Werts asked if Plymouth was currently operating under any Shoreland Regulations.
Staff explained the status of the Shorel and Regulations adoption for the City of
Plymouth. Mr. Sathre responded that it was their intent to take existing
Shoreland Regulations from other communities in the state into account when
designing this property. In fact, the design of the plat was in accordance with
the strictest oil the Shorel and Regulations currently in exi st-rzce.
Vice Chaiman Schneider closed the public hearing at 10:30 p.m.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Threinen supported by Cummissioner Barron that l
the Planning Commission take -action on this item at this meeting.
MOTION CARRIED (5_0-0) (All in favor)
Vice Chairman Schneider declared a five-minute recess at 10:35 p.m. Chairman
Davenport returned to the table and reconvened the meeting at 10:40 p.m
A-698 St. Paul Companies/Meadow Corporation A-698 Preliminary Plat/Plan
RPUD 76-6
MOTION was made by Commissioner Threinen supported by Commissioner Vasiliou that the
Planning Commission`make the following recommendation to the Qity Council:
that the request wt St. Paul Companies/Meador Corporation for preliminary plat/plan
and RPUD Conditional Use Permit for Drakeland,,per plans dated February 8, 1978
be approved stbiect to the following conditions.
1. Redesign to increase Single Family Dwelling lots sizes on the west plat
periphery to 15,500 square feet minimum to accornplTsh on-site density
transition.
Park dedication shall be the fees -in -lieu equivalent of 8.8 acres less
1.25 acres credit for dedicated trail corridors and such storm w4.ter
holding credit es deemed appropriate by the City Engineer based on
waters •ccs be held within the site that originate outside of the site.
All dedication shall be with the initial final plat, but fees -in -lieu
payment may be pro -rated consistent with the number of units within each
future final plat,
3. Compliance with the provisions of the City Engineer's Memo.
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4. Ali private curb cats for single family lots to Nathan Lane and 49t
avenue North shall be prohibited..
5, All development within the s,„utn 26 acres currently labelled "Drakeland”
area, Bl• ck 1, Lots l and 2, shall be subject to specific site plan
approvals, applicab`te ordinance provisic-is and development density shall
not in any case exceed 240 units with at least 71 ur is affordable to
families of low-moderat= income or 169 units without the prescribed
number of low -moderate income units.
6.. The initial single fa.. etached final plat shall include provisions
for the construction of tch Avenue North and 'the intital apartment final
plat/plan shall include provisions for construction of 45th Avenue North..
Commissioner Threiiien states, that in his opinion, the 15,500 square foot lots at
the periphery of the site were not necessary, but that he could see no alternatives.
He added -that the 71 units of elderly should be given the best attempt possible
in order to obtain Housing and Urbai, Development subsidy.. Commissioner Threinen
stated that ie was prepared, also, to hold petitioner to the commitment of taking,
the risk with the lesser density if subsidized housi g did not become a reality
for the property.
Commissioner Schneider asked Mr. Sathre why a pond had been chosen as the
transition tool ' the single family and the multiple family residential
areas, Mr. Sathre , yp: nded that the difference in elevation was the primary
factor in designing the property in this manner. Commissioner Schneic.r asked
petitioner what thb width of the dike was. Mr. Sath,e responded by explaining
in detail the planned construction of the two ponds and the dike.
MOION TO AMEND was made by Commissioner Stewart supported by Commissioner Threinen
that: a cotetion #7 be added to read: "Private curb cuts be limited to Orleans
Lane for 1 26, Block 1 a,id Lot 1, Block 4,"
MOTION TO AMAD CARRIED (6-0-0) (All. in favor)
MOTION TD AMEND was made by Commissioner Schneider supported by Commissioner
Stewart that a cotiditioi( n8 be added to read: "Transition area between multiple
and single family be alt i maximum width and be accomplishe by extending the
waterway ift order to make the dike between the 2 ponds as small as possible..
MCTION TO AMEND Cr.RRIED (6-0-0) (All in favor)
he Commission discussed the transition , a in gre,ter detail.
MOTION TO AMEND FAILED (2-3-1) (Chairman Davenport, Commissioners
Barron and Threinen against;
Commissioner Vasiliou abstained)
The Commission then voted on the main motor, ar amended.
MOTION CARRIED (6-0-0) (Fill in favor)
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A- M Northland Preliminary P1«j, if
Maple Greek
MOTION was made by Commissioner Schneider supported by Commissioner Threinen
that the lel anrring Commission make the following recommendation to the City Council
That, the request of Northland Mortgage for Preliminary Plat approval of Maple
Creek, -ocated at the southwest corner of Vicksburg Lane and 30th Avenue North,
as previously approved by Council Resolution ##75-82 (preliminary plat) and
Resolution #75-231 (final plat) per plans dated February 24, 1978, be approved
subject to the following conditions:
I. All areas labelled "park" shall be relabelled "outlot" and be dedicated
with the final plat 'together with Outlu;s A -D as now labelled. All
peCU-strian wr,lkways shall be 30 feet in width for Outlots A, B and Q',
2. Provision of written easement for walkway purposes over that portion of
Lot 7, Block 4 now reserved by easement for utility purposes.
3. Alteration of the creek dra?tmoy line through Lots 3-7, Block 4 to
provide usable lots and convLyance to the City of the necessary
drainage easements along this creek.
4. Compliance with the provisions of the City Engineer's Memorandum,
5. Lot 1 Block 3 be decreased in size in order to accentmodate straight
ryrearyarddimension,
MOTION TO AMEND was made by Commissioner Threin,n supported by Commissioner Barron
to add the fol'owing as condition ##6. "No furt'",ar subdivision of Lots 1, 2, 3,
14, and 15, Block 6.. Developer shall insure that the natural featO-es and
habitat not be altered in the rear portions of said lots,"
MOTION TO AMEND CARRIED (6-0-0) (All in favor)
The Commission then voted on the main motion as amended.
MOTION CARRIED (6-0-0) !,A;1 in favor)
MOTION was made by Commissioner Schneider supported by Commissloiier Stewart that
the Planning Commission make the following recommendation to the City Council:
That the request of Northland Mortgage for preliminary plat and rezoning from
R-2 (Low Density Multiple) to R -IB (Low Density Resi',dential) approvals for Maple
Greek 2nd Addition, located at the southwest cornei, of Vicksburg Lane and 30th
Avenue North, per plans dated February 24 1978, bo ipproved subject to the
following conditions:
I. Increase in lot width at setback to 90 feet on Lots 7 and 10, Block 9.
2. Increase in lot area to 15,500 sq uari feet of Lots 2-5 and 17, Block 7.
3. Increase in lot width at the rear lot line to 30 feet on Lot 6, R" icl, 10.
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4. Dedication of "Outlot E"" for public utilities and walkway purposes with
the balance of public open space requirements to be satisfied with, the
plat of Maple Creek,. Further, said outlot be decreased to 30 feet in
width.
5. Compliance with the: provisio,s of Vie City Engineer's memorandum.
6. All private drive access to VicksLurg Lane shall be p.rohibite6.
7. A portion of Lot 1, Block 11 be dedicated as right-of-way for Medina
Road subject to the recommendation of the City Engineer.
MOTION CARRIED (6-0-0) (All in favor)
Chairman Davenport stepped down for discussion of the following item; Vice
Chairman Schneider assumed the chair.
A-792 Lundgren Bros. Construction, Inc A-792 Preliminary Plat/Plan, Concept
Plan for RPUD 78-1, "Burl Oaks"
MOTION was made by Com"nissioner Threinen supported by Commissioner Schneider that
the Planning Counis.sion make the following recommendation to the City Council;
That the request of Lundgren Bros. Construction, Inc.. for Preliminary Plat/Plan
Concept Plan and Conditional Use Permit for RPUD 78-1, "Burl Oaks," located
at the southeast corner of Highway 101 avid 6th Avenue North (extended) per plans
Staff -dated March 9 1978, be approved, subject to the following conditions;
1. Storm water drainage study be conducted of the site and reviewed by
the City Engineer, with particular attention to the north portion of
the property.
2. Private drive access to Highway 101 be prohibited.
3. All diseased trees be removed from the site at owner's expense.
4. Completion of the Environmental Assessment Worksheet process.
5. Structure setbacks along Highway 101 be 50 feet.; structure setbacks
on the internal streets of the project shall be 35 feet icor front yard
and 10 feet for side yard.
6. Compliance with the provisions of the City Engineer's memorandum.
7. Park Dedication shall consist of Outlots A, B and C. Fees -in -lieu
shall be required should the Minnesot.l Department of Natural Resources
acquire Outlot D by June 1, 1978. I" not acquired by the .ONR by
Jame 1, 1918, Outlot D shall be dee( to the City for park purposes
per the Parks and Recreation Advisory Commission recommendation.
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8. The area labelled 'park" shall be relabelled "Outlot D" for purposes
of identification onlyw
g, Ail lots on the northern periphery of the project shall be a minimum of
15,500 square feet.
10. There be a 9th Avenue North access fir temporary purposes_, located to
the cast of the project, The period of time for use shall be specified:
in th= development contract with the termination date of approximatelySepterrber, 19.79,
ll. Lot. 29, Block 1 be granted a variance for 25 foot yard setback to preserve
the pond on the north portion of the lot.
12.. Rear setback on Lots 24-27, 81od; l shall be minimum of 100 feet.
10, 5th Avenue North on the east side of Highway 101 (within the proposed
Burl Oaks development) be aligned with 5th Aven le North on the west side
of Highway 101 (within Hawthorne Ponds).
Commissioner Threinen stated that he felt the Parks and Recreation Advisory Commission
recommendation regareing the peninsula was sound, and should be followed. With
respect to the 5th Avenue Noah intersection with Highway 101, he indicated that
fie fele.' there would be no allowances for control of a potential traffic problem
via signalization should the intersection be offset at this point.
MOTION TO AMEND was made by Comanissioner Schneider supported by Commissioner Vasil.ou,
to substitute the following for condition V: "Park Dedication shall consist
of Outlots A, B, and C as well as the peninsula on Gleason Lake, south of the Luce
Line trail
Commissicner Schneider stated that; in effect; he was moving to ignore the
recommendation of the Parks and Recreation Advisory Commission in that he felt
the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources had a poor record for maintenance
of their parks and that -he did not feel if would be appropriate for the peninsula
to be neglected from lack of maintenance or the inabilitwF cf the Minnesota ONR
to supply the manpower necessary, to maintain the park
MOTION TO AMEND FAILED (1-4-0) (Commissioners Barron,
Stewart, Threinen,and
Vasiliou against)
MOTION 10 AMEND was made by Commissioner Schneider supported by Commissioner Barron
to deletecondition #13 of the main 'motion.
MOTION TO AMEND CARRIED (3.2-0 (Commissioners Threinen &
The Commission then voted on the main motion as amended.
Stewart against)
MOTION CARRIED (5-0-0) (All in favor)
Chairman Davenport resumed the chair.
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X350 Northland Moet gage A-350 Final Plat of Maple Creek
Staff presented the request of petitioner for final plat approval of Maple Creek, a
single family residential plat proposed west of Vicksuurg Lane between 26th and 30th
Avenues North for 52 units, Staff made recommendations and observations regardingtherequest. per the Staff report of March 9, 1978,
MOTION was made by Commissioner Schneiaer supported by Commissioner Vasiliou that
the Planning Commission make the following recommendation to the City Council,
That the request of Northland Mortgage for final plat approvalof Maple Creek,
a single family residential plat proposed west of Vicksburg Lane between 26thand30thAvenueNorthfor52units, be approved subject to the following conditions.
1. Compliance with the provisions. of the City Engineer's memorandum,
2. Relabelling of thea ares shown as "park" to "Outlot E" and "Out'lot F"
and dedication of all outlots to the City without restrictions as to use.
3. Provision of a written' walkway easement over the west 30 feet of Lot 7,
Block 4.
4. Alteration of the creek drainway line through Lots 3-7, Block 4 ro provide
usable lots ai,d conveyance to the City of the necessary drainage easements
along this creek
S. All other prelininary plat conditions, as applicable, shall be met and be
a part of this recommendation,
MOTION CARRIER (6-G-0) (All in favor)"
A -M5 Lundgren Bros.: Construction, Inc. A-615 Final Plat of Ferndale
Norah 3rd Addition
Staff presented petitioner's request for final plat approval of Ferndale North
Third Addition, located east of Ferndale Road between 4th and 9th Avenues North
extended). The final plat consisted of 55 single family dwelling lots and four
outlots. Staff made recommendations and observations regarding the plat per the
Staff report of -March. 10, 1978,
The Corrunission discussed the potential problems which' would result from not building
9th Avenue North bett:zeen Alvarado and Brockton Lanes, The matter was discussed in
greater detail with petitioner's representative, Rick Sathre of McCombs -Knutson.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Stewart supported by Commissioner Schneider that
the Planning Commission make the following recommendation to the City Council.
That the request of Lundgren Bros. Construction, Inc, for final plat approval of
Ferndale North Third Addition, located east of Ferndale Road .between 4th and 9th
Avenues North (extended) consisting of 55 single family dwelling lots and four
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outlots, per plans of Staff report dated March 10, 1978, be approved, subject
to the following conditions:
1.. Compliance with the provisions of the City Engineer's memorandum.
2. Re -identification of outlots to eliminate two "Outlot D's."
3. Completion of 9th Avenue North between Alvarado and Brockton Lane.
4. Park 'Dedication shall be consistent with the terms and conditions of the
development contracts for Ferndale North and Ferndale North Second Addition.
MOTION CARRIED (6-0-0) (All in favor)
A--705 Clif ord; Otters A-705 Final Plat of Cedar View
Estates
Staff presented petitioner's request for final plat approval of Cedar View Estates,
a single family residential plat located at the southeast corner of County Road 15
and Ranchview Lane, consisting of nine Lots. Staff made recommendations and
observations regarding the plat per the Staff report of March 10, 1978,.
C1iffcrd Otten, petitioner, stated that he felt the assessments of the property
were going to'become a problem for him in meeting the requests of the City. The
Commission reviewed the situation with Mr. Otten in greater detail and concluded
that there would appear to be some inequities for this particular petitioner to
be singly required to bear the burden of the storm sewer problem in, this area.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Vasiliou supported by Commissioner Barron that
the Planning Commission make the fo"i1owing recommendation to the City Council
That the request of Clifford Otten for final plat of Cedar View Estates located
at the southeast corner of County Road 15 and Ranchview Lane, consisting of nide
single family lots, be approved subject to the following conditions:
1. Compliance with the provisions of the City Engineer's memorandum.
2. Park Dedi ca'.i on fees -in -lieu not to excee,' $150 per lot.
3. All private driveway access to County Road 15 shall be prohibited.
FURTHER, that variances be granted for lot width at front setback for Lots
3, 4, 5, 7 and 9 due to the shape of the parcel and prohibited access to
County Road 15.
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MOTION CARRIED (6-0-0) (All in favor)
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING'MINUTCS -12- March 15, 1978
Chairman. Davenport declared a recess to the meeting at 12:05 a,m.., said meeting
to be reconvened at 7.30 p.m., Thursday, March °16, 1978.
The regular ra?eting of March 15, 1978 of the Plymouth Planning Commission was
reconvened by Mice Chaff an Schneider at 7:30 p.m. March 16,. 1978 in the Council
Chambers of the Public Works Building, 14900 - 23rd Avenue North
MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Davenport (9;00 Commissioners Barron, Schneider,
Stewart, Threinen and Vasiliou
MEMBERS ABSENT. Commissioner Erickson
STAFF PRESENT: Charles Dllerud and Kate .Manx
A-03 Rauenhorst Corporation A-403 Final Plat of Circle Star
Business Center 3rd Addition
Staff presented petitioner's request for final plat approval of Circle Star Business
Center 3rd Addition a commerci,aljindustri'al plat proposed for eight lots, located
at -the southwest corner of Fernbrook Lane and,Highway 55 Staff made recommendations
and observations regarding the plat per the Staff report of March 10, 1978.
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Bob Worthington, representing Rauenhorst Corporation, stated that Rauenhorst was
fully aware of the Coimnission and Council intentions regarding future curb cuts to
Fernbrook Lane.: He uuesti oned whether it would be allowed for a buyer of one: of
the lots within thisxplat to, even though told about the Fernbrook Lane situation,
petition for a curb cut to Fernbrook Lane. The Commission ocinted out that it was
the right of any petitioner to petition as they would like for a site, and that the
Commission and Council would consider the petition.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Stewart supported by Commissioner Threinen that
the Planning Commission snake the following recommendation to the City Council,
That the request of Rauenhorst Corporation for final plat approval G. circle Star
Business Center Third Addition, located at the southwest corner of Ferlibrook Lane
and Highway 55, consisting of commercial and industrial lots, per plans of Staff
report dated March 10, 1978, be approved, subject to the following conditions.-
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onditions:
1. Compliance with provisions of the City Engineer's memorandum, particularly
with respect to a future median cut and turn lanes in Fernbrook Lane.
2; Specific and recordable quit claim by petitioner for any and all access
rights on all Highway 55 frontage.
3. The median cut in the proposed median in Fernbrook Lane may be closed
for other than southbound entry and exit traffic at such time that the
traffic volume exceeds projections of the petitioner's traffic consultant
and/or a significant accident history is determined.
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MOTION CARRIED (6-0-0) 011 in favor}
A=681 EntF.rprise Properties -8 Final Plat of 3chniidt
Lake Woods 2nd Addition
Staff presented the request of Enterprise Properties for final plat approval -of
Schmidt Lake Woods 2nd Addition, located south of 49th Avenue North at Forestview
Lane, proposed for 17 single family detached lots and three outlots_. Staff made
recommendations and observations regarding the plat per the Staff report of March
10, 1978,
MOTION was made by Commissioner Stewart supported by Commissioner Threinen that the
Planning Commission make the following recommendation to the City Council:
That the request of Enterprise Properties for final ,plat approval of Schmidt
Lake Woods 2nd Addition, located south olf 49th Avenue North at Forestview Lane,
proposed for 1' µince°t fzz oily detached lots and three outlots, per plans of StaffreportdatedMarch10, 1978, be approved subject to the following conditions:
1. Compliance with the provisions of the City Engineer -s miznorandum»
2, Private curb -it access to 49th Avenue North shall be prohibited.
3, Written eas:4 for and construction of a temporary cul-de-sac at
the south end of Forestview Lane.
MOTION CARRIED (6-0-0) (All in favor)
A-800 McCort s -Knutson Associates, Inc. A-800 Site Plan -for McCombs -Knutson
Building
Staff presented the request of McCortibs-,Knutson Associates, Inc. for site plan approval
of an office structure of 25,400 square feet to be used by the owner/occupant
engineering firm and a portion to be used for rental. The site was located at the
northwest corner of Industrial Park Boulevard and Highway 55 South Service Drive.
Recommendations and observations were made by Staff ooncorning the structure per
the Staff reports of March 13 1978 and March 16, 1978,
Skip McCombs questioned which uses would be acceptable as rental occupants of the
rented portion of the structure. The Commission discussed this at length with
petitioner mentioning the traffic and hours situations of the industrial zoning
areas. The Commission suggested that short-term customers of renters, such as
dentists, doctors, realty office, would be inappropriate to the traffic and hours
of the industrial district. The homebui;der firm suggested by Mr. McCombs seemed
to be a use that could meet the traffic/hours ,situation of the industrial district as
Would a similar consulting type operat!,.gin to that of. McCombs -Knutson.. It was pointed
out, however, that any use would require a conditional use permit and review by
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by the Planning Commission and City Council.
Mr. 'McCombs further explained his business to the Commission, in terms employeesandbusinesshours.
MOTION was made by CoWssioner Trot^einen supported by Commissioner Stewart that
the: Planning Commission make the following recommendation to the City Council
That the request of McCombs -Knutson Associates, Inc. for site plan approval of
an office structure to be located on the north side of Highway 55 at industrial'
Park Boulevard, proposed fcr 25,400 square feet, for owner/occupant-and rental
uses, per plans Staff report dated March 10, 1978, lie approved subject to the
following conditions
1. Outside storage of waste and waste materials shall be prohibited,
2, Compliance with the City Engineer's .memorw um on this project..
3. Landscape bond be provided to the City, termed for 12 months,
guaranteeing private improvements.
4. Park dedication fees -in -lieu shall be $1,015 ($500/acre).
5. Building permit shall be withheld pending compliance with item 14.1
of the Minneapolis Indostrial Park 3rd Addition development contract;
6. All structure occupancy shall be subject to specific conditional use
permit approval per Section 8, Subdivision 3 of the Zoning Ordinance.
MOTION CARRIED (5-0-0) (All in favor)
MOTION was made by Commissioner Threinen supported by Commissioner Vasiliou. that
the Planning Commission make the following recommendation to the City Council:
That the request of McCombs -Knutson Associates, Inc. for a conditional use
permit to occupy the; McCombs -:Knutson. Associates Building :proposed to be located
north of Highway 55 at Industrial Park Boulevard, within an I-1 !Planned' Industrial)
zoning district, be approved based upon the following findings
1. The activities of the business do not entail the traffic by the general
Public into the Industrial District.
2. The business hours of the office correspond with those of ,other I-1
uses.
monm CARRIED (5-0-0) (All in favor)
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A-799 Volp Construction Company A-799 Site Plan
Staff presented the request of Volp Construction Company for site plan approval of
an owner -occupied structure proposed to be located in the southwest quadrant of
Fernbrook Lane and 23rd Avenue North. Petitioner was plann.sg a structure of
50,804 square feet with 18,352 square feet owner -occupied and 32,452 sgLjk'e feet.
available for rental. Staff made recommendations and observations regarding
the project per the Staff reports of March 10th and 16th, 1978.
The Commission discussed a common driveway situation with this petitioner and the
adjacent site, Dailey Printing, Inc.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Threinen supported by Commissioner Barron that
the Planning Commission make the following recommendation to the City Council:
That the request of-.Volp Construction for site pian approval of a structure
of 50,804 square feet for owner/occupant and rental uses, located in the southwest
quadrant of Fernbrook Lane and 23rd Avenue North, be approved subject to the
following conditions:
1. Compliance wittl the provisions of the City Engineer's memorandum, in
particular wl h respect to the drainage situation on the site and the.
potential necessity for flexibility in its design.
2. Park, Dedication fees -in -lieu shall be $1,715.
3. Landscape bond be provided to the City, termed for 18 months,
guaranteeing the completion, of on-site improvements.
4. Outside storage of waste, waste material or products shall be prohibited.
5. Zero driveway setback to the west property line is on the assumption that
the site plan for Lot 2, Volp Development Addition is amended to also
reflect a common drive.
6. No building permits shall be issued for the site until the final plat
and development contract for the Volp Development Addition are approved
and executed by the City.
MOTION TO AMEND was made by Commissioner Schneider supported by Commissioner Stewart
to add the following as condition V: "Any and all diseased trees be removed at
the owner's expense."
MOTION TO AMEND CARRIED (5-0 O) (All in favor)
The Commission then voted on the main motion as amended..
MOTION CARRIED (5-0-0) (All in favor)
MOTION was made bj Commissioner Threinen supported by Commissioner Stewart that
the Planning Commission make t,ie following recommendation to the City Council:
That the site plan for the Dailey Printing, Inc. structure adjacent to the
Volp Construction proposed site plan located within the southeast quadrant of
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Fernbrook Lane and.23rd Avenue North, be amended to include a 15 foot strip on
the east side of the site for purposes of inclusion as a common dr.ve «°gid for
accomodation of maneuvering space on both sides.
MOTION CARRIED (5-0-0) W1 in favor)
It was pointedout that even though petitioner, Dailey Printing, Inc., had
not planned to do the east parking, that it may be manA--tory that the drive be
paved, regardless of the parking baing added on the east.
Chairman Davenport arrived at 9:00 p.m. and assumed the chair.
A-801 F. C. Hayed Rauenhorst Corporation. A-801 Site Plan
Staff presented petitioner's request -for site plan approval of a 184,000 square
foot structure for distribution of major appliances. The project was proposed
to be located in the northwest quadrant of 'Qerkshi,.. Lane and County Road 15.
Staff made recommendations and observations regarding the project per the Staff
report of March 13, 1978.
The sign location for the property was discussed with petitioner. It was
suggested that the berming be slightly askew in order to allaw the sign to
bE seen at the 20 foot setback line. The Commission concurred that .his would
not be objectionable.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Stewart supported by Commissioner Threinen that
the Planning Commission make the following recommendation to the City Council:
That the request of F. C. Hayer (Rauenhorst Corporation) for site plan approval
of a 184,000 squre foot structure, located it the northwest quadrant of Fernbrook
Lane and County Road 15 for an owner/occupant distrubution firm, per plans of Staff
report dated March 10, 1978, :be approved subject to the following conditions:
Compliance w; th the provisions of the City Engineer's memorandum.
2. Outside storage of waste; waste materials or products shall be prohibited.
3. Landscape bond be provided to the City guaranteeing private improvements,
to be termed for 18 months.
4. Park dedication fees -in -lieu of $6,03.5.
5, Future parking shall be constructed at the south of the site.
6. Identification sign shall be set back a full 20 feet.
Commissioner Threinen doted that should the future parking be 'moved to the south,
it would also be necessary to move the trees proposed for landscaping of that area.
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MOTION. TO AMEND Mas made by Commissioner Schneider supported by Commissioner Barron
to add the following as condition J7: "All Black Hills Spruce trees as shown
on the landscape plan shall be 6 feet in height at planting. Also, the landscape
stock between the two curb cuts shall, be doubled,"
MOTION TO AMEND CARRIED 5-0-1)
The Commission then voted on the main motion as amended.
MOTION CARRIED 5-0-1)
Chairman Davenport
abstained)
Chairman Davenport
abstained)
Commissioner Stewart tepped down for discussion of the following item.
A-802 Judy's Restaurant A-802 Site Plan and Conditional
Ube Permit
iff presented petitioner`s request for site plan approval of a 2,700 square foot
Class II restaurant on a site of 43,908 square feet located in the southwest quadrant
of Fernbook Lane and Highway 55. fecomnendations and observations of Staff were
made per the Staff report of March 13, 1978.
Cnairman Davenport stated that he felt tha stacking distance to the diive-in portion
of the business was critical. Gerald Paschke, petitioner, explained how the drive-
in portion of the business worked and indicated that he fPlt the stacking distance,
based on past experiences, was adequate.
Chairman Davenport asked how much o` the business was from drive-in patrons. Mr.
Paschke stated that 15% of the business was from the drive-in patrons.
Crtairman Davenport stated that he felt if ;:he drive-in window was located on the
west of the building, It would allow for more realistic stacking distance for
the drive-in portion of the business. Mr. Paschke stated that his experience was
that this was not necessary.
Conxrissiones Threinen questioned why the handicapped parking stall could not be
moped closer to the building, for example, to the spot set aside for deliveries.
Mr. Paschke explained that the handicapped parking stall was located in its
current position in order to allow the greatest amount of spare for maneuvering
with wheel chairs, crutches, etc. The delivery space was not intended to be
exclusively for deliveries. During , -!n hours, the spot for deliveries would
function as an additional parking space. Deliveries were only to be made before
opening time for the restaurant.
Commissioner Threinen asked why the areas indicated with hatch marks on the site
plan were so designated. Mr. Paschke stated that the intent was to stop parking
in these areas in order to store snow. Commissioner Threinen stated that he did
not feel this would, in fact, stop parking within the areas hatch marked if the
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lot was full.
MOTION was made by Commissioner, Schneider suppo :.ed by Commissioner Threinen that
the Planning Commission make the following recomxaendation to the City Council
That the request of Judy's Restaurant (Gerald. Pa,,chke) ,or site plan and con wtiona.l
use permit approval of a Class II ,restaurant of , ,700, sq)iare feet on a site of d
43,90$ square feet located in the southwest quadrant of lFernbrook Lane and Highway
55 per plans of Staff report dated .March 10, 1978, be .approved subject to this
following conditions
1. Compliance with the City Engineers' Memorandum.
2.. Outside storage of waste and waste ,containers shall be prohibited.
Delete the outside storage area shown and create one more parking space.
3. Pak d,dication fees -in -lieu shall be $500.00.
4. Landscape bond shallbe For 12 months.
5. No building permits shall be issued for the project until Final Plat
approval of Circle Star Business Center 3rd Addition, and execution by
the City of the development contract for same."
6. Approval of the landscape plan shall' be deferred pending a professional
plan and. review by the Planning Commission
MOTION TO AMEND was made by Commissioner Thr.:nen supported by Commissioner Vasiliou
to add the following conditions: "7. The cross -hatched areas shall, be curbed
to pr ecbde parking; and 8. The handicapped parking stall and up ramp shall be
relocated to be immediately south of the, building so as not to require crossing
of traffic lanes by handicapped persons.."
MOTION TO AMEND CARRIED (5-'0-0) (All in favor)
The Commission discussed the landscape plan ir-r-ater detail indicating to
petitioner that it would be important to "beak.., i`y" the Highway 55 frontage
for the property.
The Commission discussed signage of the building with petitioner.
MOTION TO AMEND was made by Commissioner Barron supported by Commissioner Schneider
that the following condition be added: "9. 'Rauenhorst Corporal%ion, developers
of tate Circle Star Businesc, Center 3rd Addition, shall be required to bring to
the Commission a master pylon sign plan for all uses to exist within the area."
I'TION TO AMEND CARRIED (5-0-0) (All in favor)
NOTION TO' AMEND was made by Commission Barron supp°jrted by Commissioner Threinen
to add the following as condition #10: "The parl,ing space marked for deliveries
not be designated for 'no parking` but be used as an additional parkiltg space
during business hours_."
MOTION TO AMEND CARRIED (.5-0:-0) (All in Tavor)
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The Comr`,:: ion then voted on the main motion as thrice amended.
MOTION CARRIED 6-0-0)
Commissioner Stewart returned to the table.
March 15, 1978
All in favor)
A-796 W. D. Gine A -79b Conditional Use Permit
Staff presented petitioner's request for a conditional use permit to operate a
real estate office for 3-6 employees from a single family dwelling structure
located in the southwest quadrant of Highway 55 and Highway 101. Recommendations
and observations of Staff were presented per the Staff report of February 17, 1978,
Petitioner was not in attendance.
LOTION was made by Commissioner Barron supported by Commissioner Stewart that
the Planning Commission make the following recommendation•to the City Council—
That the request. of W. D. Gagne far a conditional use permit to operate a
real estate office at 4155 Highway 101 be denied based upon the following
findings;
1. The intended use as described by the petitioner's applicaiton is not
permissible by conditjnal use permit in an R-0 (Restricted Resi.dertial
zoning district.
2. The int-,ndeu use is beyond the scope of a "home occupation."
3. Issuance of a conditional use permit would be contrary to the provisions
of City Council Resolution n75-664 as to renv"ition of urban development..
MOTION CARRIED (5-0-?' (Commissioner Threinen
abstained)
Commissioner stated that he did not feel he could act on the matter as he had not
heard the petitioner's arguments.
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MOTION was made by Commissioner Barron supported by Commissioner Vasiliou that the
minutes of the February 22, 1978 Planning Commission meeting be approved as written,
MOTION CARRIED (6-0-0) (All in favor)
MOTION was made by Commissioner Sc;lneider supported by Commissioner Barron that
the minutes of March 1,, 1978 Planning Commission me,, -ting be approved as written.
MOTION CARRIED (5-0-1) (Commissioner Stewart
abstained)
MOTION TO ADJOURN was trade by Commissioner Threinen supported by Commissioner
Schneider, Chairman, Davenport adjourned the meeting at 10:40 p.m.
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APPROVED BY PLANNING. COMMISSION April 5, 1978
David Davenport, Chairman
P7ymoitth. Punning Commission
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Char es E. 1laerud, Secretary