HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 12-07-1977PLANNING COMMISSION
CITY OF PL.Y10,O0T% MINNESOTA
December 7, 1977
A regular meeting of the Plymouth Punning Commission was called to order by Chairman
Davenport at 7:30 p.m. in the Council Chambers of the Public Works Building, 14300 -23rd
Avenue North
MEMB SENT: Chairman Davenport, Commissioners Hoyt, Schneider, Threinen, and
Stewart
MEMBERS ABSENT; Commissioner Erickson
STAFF PRESENT: Charles Dillerud> Kate Mnrx
Arvin H, Anderson A-778 RPUD 77-6 Concept Plan
Staff presented petitioner's request for Concept Plan approval of a proposed Residential
Planned Unit Development to be located south of, the Soo Line Tracks, west of Zachary
Lane and east of Schmidt Lake, Included in the proposal consisting of 101 acres, were
a total of 297 dwelling units --151 single family detached, 26 duplex and 110 townhouse
units, Staff Indicated the following concerns with the project as proposed; 1) Two trail
segments were missing from the proposal as presented, one, north --south segment to the
neighborhood park near Schmidt Lake and one Gast -west segment along the Soo .Line Railroad
Tracks 2) Relationship of the proposal to the surrounding neighborhood was in question
in terms of transition of the townhouse units in the northeast, portion of the project
to the adjacent single family detached dwellings to the north, west and potentially east
S) The duplex units were also a concern in terms oftheir location in relationship to
the thoroughfare proposed through the site,, 4) Access for the exception parcel fronting
Zachary Lane was forced: to be via Zachary Lane unless otherwise provided for the site.
Staff made recommendations regarding the proposal per the Staff report of December 1,
1977,
Commissioner Schneider stated that he did not feela density credit should be allowed'
for the ;ponding to be done on the project. He stated that the pond, unless left in
its natural state, was not an exceptional requirement of any developer. Coan,issio»er
Threnen agreed.
Marlin Grant, representing Marvin If. Anderson Construction, responded to the concerns
of the Staff-, He indicated that, with respect to the location of the townhouses and
the single family homes, `49th Avenue North presented a "natural" division of the property.
The only trees on the site were located south of proposed 49th Avenue North and single
family dwellings disturb tree: stands less than would the townhouse type units, therefore,
the single family dwellings were located south of 49th Avenue North for preservation of
the trees., With respect to the location of the townhouses, the clustering of units, as
is often done with townhouses, were proposed at the northeast portion of the project due
to the poor soils in this location and the advantages of clustering the homes on such
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soils. With regard to the duplex units, they had no objection to relocating the units. Also, with respect to the trails not provided on the proposal, Mr. Grant stated that
they would indeed provide the trails as per the Trails System Plan;, Mr. Grant also
indicated that the firm was flexible with respect to the density of the project.
The Commission questioned, the price range of the units. Mr. Grant indicated that
the townhouse would run between $5.5-85,000 per unit while the; duplex units would
run between $90-5120,000 per structure.
The Commission indicated that the density of the project was high as proposed. Mr.
Grant pointed out that townhouse projects were "wookable" in terms of .homeowner's
associations, etc., at about 100 units or more. He added that each unit would have
an additional' cost added on due to the construction of 49th Avenue North as it was
planned through the property. Commissioner Schneider stated that two other developers
had foond it possible to hive with the costs of 49th Avenue through their property
the adjacent projects to the west) and that he did not feel this was a detriment
to development of the property nor an unusual hardship upon the developer.
Commissioner Stewart questioned the staging of the project. Mr. Grant stated that
the single family would be started after the townhouse por?Aon of the project was
complete.
Chairman Davenport opened the meeting to comments and questions from the audience.
NikkiWoodrow, 11515 -53rd. Avenue North, (Birch Valley Subdivision) stated that her hcme
was directly adjacent to the proposed townhouses and that she obJected to their location
so close to ther property. She stated that, according to the City plans she was aware of,
the area was to be developed as single family and that she preferred to be adjacent
to single family residences. She also stated that it was more the density of the
townhouse area that was objectionable, as opposed to the type of unit. Ms. Woodrow
also questioned whether the pond proposed for the development would relieve the problem
she had in her yard with a drainage area that had developed naturally.. The City
tngineer had stated that a holding pond in this general vicinity would take care of
the problem. fi=red Haas, Marvin H. Ancerson, stated that the ponding proposed for the
project would zlleviate this problem for the Woodrow property. Ms.. Woodrow stated
that she was also a representative of the Birch: Valley Homeowners' Association and
that ,during their discussions of the project, it was a consensus that the townhouse
units were not acceptable as a use for the area
ton mason, 11705 -53rd Avenue North, stated that he had been present during discussions
jrrs the adjacent developments to the west of the Zachary Hills proposal wherein the
Tanning Commission and City Council had paid particular attention to the transition
made between the existing units and the proposed units, even with respect: to how many
single family homes were introduced adjacent to the existing single family homes
i.e. 5 new homes adjacent to 5 existing homes). He stated that he felt the existing
neighborhood deserved the same consideration in this case. Mr. Mason also expressed,
concern for the ponding situation to alleviate the current problem in the area. Mr.
Fred Haas stated that the pond would be dredged to a capacity of five feet of depth
to ta;e care of the` problem.
Chairman :Davenport closed the Public Informati.ona: Meeting at 8:45 p.m.
MOTION was amde by Commissioner Threinen and Commissioner Hoyt that the Planning Commission
take action on this item at this meeting.
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MOTION CARRIED (5=0-•0) (All in favor)
A-295 Centurion Company -29.5 Revised Concept Plan RPUD 17-5
Staff presented petitioner's revised concept kplaii for RPUD 77-5, "Fernbrook" located
south of 21st Avenue Borth between 'Fernbrook anVI gara lanes. The revised plan
proposed changes as follows: l) reduction of the lodustrial site from 17 acres to 11
acres; 2) increase in number of duplex type units from 152 to 188. 3) reorientation of
the internal circulation system to provide site access via Fernbrook Lane rather than
County Road 6'', 4) increase in number of single family lots from 14 to 17 and 5) the
18,740 square foot remnant parcel remaining or, the County Road 6 frontage was proposed
for addition to the :Parker's Lake Baptist Church site to the arrest. Staff proposed a
recommendation for approval per the .Staff report of December 1, 1977,
John Hatlestad,, 14515 -17th Avenue North said that he felt the plan was an improvement
rot efieprevious submittal, but he questioned the need for additional single family
dwelling lots on the cul-de-sac and the location of berms and plantings as proposed
initially were now removed from teh plan.
Tont Losinsk'i, 1720 Ithaca Lane, stated that he felt the increase in the number of
sgle family dwelling units was too great. He indicated concern for the traffic that
would impact upon 17th and 18th Avenues North as well as Ithaca Lane with the increased
number of single family residences.
Robert Ford, 1730 Ithaca Lane, stated he was concerned with the increase in the density
in terms of its impact upon the entire ne'ghborhoodr
Earl Bancroft, 14415 -18th Avenue North, stated that he did not feel the cul-de-sac was
a good idea in view of the added density that would result. Also, he suggested that
at beast the plantings remain to the north of the existing single family residential
area between the proposed new single family and the proposed two-family units. He added
that 'he did not feel the .berms would also be necessary with the new plan. Mr. Bancroft
also asked if it would be possible to require a 50 foot setback for the front of the
structures ofthe new homes for consistency with the existing neighborhood.
Max Smith, 14912 County Road 6, stated he was disappointed with the increase in the
numb'' eo two-family units for the project. He pointed out that there currently
existed an "alley" between his property and the proposed "Fernbrook" project at the
southwest corner of the project. He asked if it would be possible to maintain the
al ley,'"
Mr` Dick Knutson, McCombs-Ynutson, representing petitioner, stated that the increase
In theenumber.of single family units was only three units and that it was the opinion
of the petitioner that this would not have any great detrimental affect upon the
neighborhood.
Chairman Davenport closed the public haring at 9:15 p.m.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Schneider and Commissioner Threinen that the Planning
Comrni s s i on take act;' on on th'l s item at this meeting.
MOTION CARRIED(All in favor)
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A-778 Mary nderson -778 RPUD Concept Plan 77--6
MOTION was made by Commissioner Threinen and Commissioner Stewart that the Planning
Commission make the following recommendation to the City CounQil:
That the request of Marvin N. Anderson for Concept Plan approval of RPUD 77-6
Zachary Hills," located south of the Soo Line Tracks, west of Zachary lane and east
of Schmidt Lake, proposed for residential development, be approved subject to the
following conditions.
1. Redesign for elimination of the townhouse units.
2. Redesign to include a maximum of 253 u tts.
3. Consideration of street alignment with the adjacent street alingments of the
proposed plat to the south.
4. Redesign to include trail corridor south to Schmidt Lake and north along the
Soo Lira Tracks.
All streets be named ,per the City street naming po-icy.
Commissioner Threinen stated his reasons for the motion as follows: 1) the townhouse
units proposed did not, as shown provide transition to the north or west. Furthermore,
a decrease in the number of units for townhouses would create a potentially unfeasible
number of units to make a homeowner's association "work" per the proposal of the
developer. 2) Based on allowances per the RPUD ordinance, 4 points would be allowed
for acreage of the project, no points for provision of low/moderate income housing,
and one point for a variety of housing types. this would allow 5 points or 2.5
units per acre or approximately 252-253 units for the entire project. Commissioner
Threinen stated that the remaining conditions were to bring the plat into compliance
with other policies and procedures of the`City..
MOTION CARRIED
Centurion Company
5-0-0) All in.favor)
RPUD 77-5
MOTION was made by Commissioner Threinen and Commissioner Stewart that the Planning
Commission make the following recommendation to the City Council:
That the request of Centurion Company for approval of the revised Concept Plan for
RPUD 77-5, "Cernbrook" per plans dated November 21, 1977, proposed for 158 patio
home units and 17 single family dwelling units, be approved subject to the following
conditions:
1.Preliminary plat/ plan submissions shall include detailed plans and descriptive
cross sections for all areas where transition is proposed by "berm and plantings."
2. The preliminary plat/plan shall specifically address future use or vacation of
Old Niagara Lane."
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3.. The future of the property south of County
preliminary plat/plan with the suggestion
and open. space.
Decembea`' 7, 1977
Road 6 shall be addressed in the
that it be dedicated as public park
4, The preliminary plat shall include provisions for attachment of the remnant
parcel north of and fronting County Road 6 to the parcel adjoining to the west.
5. Preparation of an Environmental Assessment Worksh!iet (mandatory --within 1,000
feet of Parker's lake and over 50 units) for submission concurrent with the
preliminary plat/plan.
6. Single family dwelling lots along 18th Avenue North, Ithaca Lane and the cul-de-
sac of 16th Avenue North have front structure setbacks of 50 feet for consistency
with the .existing neighborhood.
7. Plantings; -and berms near Niagara Lane along the southwest boundary of the project
may be eliminated in favor of maintaining the"alley" upon the agreement of the
surrounding neighborhood.
Commissioner Threinen stated that he felt the depth of the proposed lots for single
family dwellings was sufficient to allow for the building of homes at a 50 foot setback.
In addition, the currently existing "alley" provides a convenient property access at
this time for the current residents. Upon their agreement, the surrounding property
owners may benefit more from retention of the "alley" than by berms and planting.
The tommissi'on discussed the potential problems that may occur Hth the current align-
mens of the public street through the project running Past -west to Eernbrook Lane
Petitioner's engineer stated that it had been discussed during the original design of
the Concept Plan and that they felt during the redesign of the project at preliminary
plat state, that the road may have to be changed. The Commission asked petitioner to
make a particular effort to redesign the road for the next stage..
MOTION TO AMEND was made by Commissioner Schneider and Chairman Davenport to add a
condition #8 to read: "All single family dwelling lots along Ithaca Lane, 17th and
18th Avenues North, be 15,500 square feet minimum.
140TION TO AMEND CARRIED (4-1-0) (Commissioner Threinen
against)
Commissioner Threinen stated that he did not feel it was necessary that this be a
condition of the approval as the lot size appeared to be adequate.
The Commission then voted on the main motion as amended.
MOTION CARRIED 5-0-0). All in favor)
Chairman Davenport declared a five-minute recess at 9:35 p.m. the meeting was
reconvened at 9:40 p.m.
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Rauenhorst Cqrporation A-403 Preliminary Plat and
Rezoning
Staff presented petitioner's request for preliminary plat and rezoning from B--3Se -•.#1 ce Business) to I-1(Planned Industrial) for the proposed "Circle Star Business
Center 3rd Addition" located at the southwest corner of Fernbrook Lane and Highway55. Rezoning was proposed for a portion of the plat only. Staff noted the following, items of importance regarding the proposed plat: l) There currently existed an
approved General Development Plan for the propoerty involved which was approved bytheCityCouncilin1972, 2) Petitioner was proposing access review of potential
median cuts and access to Fernbrook Lane for the lots to the east. Staff proposed a
reuommenda,tion for approval per the Staff report of December 1, 1977;
Bob Worthington, representing. Rauenhorst Corporation, stated that they would prefer
to have access to Fernbrook Lane for Lot 5 of the proposed plat if possible. Further,
with respect to the General Development Plan of 1972, it was the position of Rauenhorst
that it be abandoned. Staff explained that - revised or substitute General: Development
Plan could be submitted for approval by the City.
Chairman 'Davenport closed the public; hearing at 10.05 p.m.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Stewart and Commissioner Threinen that the Planning
Commission take: action obi this item at this meeting,.
MOTION CARRIED (5-0-0) (All in favor)
A-779, Lagle Lake Regional Park A-779 Reguiding from LA -1
to PublicfSem-Public
Staff presented the request of the Hennepin County Park Reserve District (HCP RD)
for reguidi ng of propel ty l oca i.ed in. the Borth halt of Sections l acid 2 on the shores
of Pike Lake from LA -1 (Low Density Residential) to Public/Semi-Public for purposes
of expanding the Eagle Lake regional park. Staff pointed out the following matters
concerning the request; 1) Would there be an adverse impact upon 280 acres
effectively cut off from the rest of the City by the proposed park and County Road 10;
2) Mould this be an excessvie commitment of future tax exempt land by Plymouth when
added to the 300 acres of the Medicine Lake Regional Park; 3) Sanitary Sewer Plan
considerations were involved including cost factors and construction matters. Staff
stated that the sewer matters were of major consequence in that options for routing
of the sewer wem not available.
Chairman Davenport questioned what proportion of the sewer costs would need to be
absorbed by the City. Clifton French, Superintendent of the Hennepin County Park Reserve
District stated that the usual factor of use by the: regional parks was about 20%.
Therefore, the County generally would pick up 20% of the cost leavin;l 80% for the City
to absorb. This was the manner in which costs were split for a siatilar park in Bloomington.
Chairman Davenport asked what the benefits to the City of Plymouth would he. Commissioner
Humphrey of the Hennepin County Park Reserve District stated the following: 1) increased
value of the surrounding lands 2) the area would not be using the sewer to.its full
potential thus giving the sewer system a Longer life; 3) other services of the park need
not be. provided 'by the City since the County would be providing them within the park.
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Mr.. Robert Nethercut, staff member of the Metropolitan Parks and Recreation Open
Space, Commission, stated that with respect to the comment in the Staff report regardingtheCityofPlymouthnotbeingallowedtousetheregionalparktomeet, its open
space needs that the regional park wou',d not be allowed to be used to take the place
of tot lots or athletic fields but certainly would meet some of the needs of the
community with respect to picnic grounds:, etc,
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Mr. French explained that the urgency of the matter resulted from a purchase
agreement with the current owner of the land which would expire at the end of
Qecember. He stated that it was imperative that the Planning Commission and pity
Council make a decision prior to the purchase agreement expiring.
Commissioner Schneider stated that he did not feel this would leave enough time to
work out the sewer system problems for the land involved.
MOTION TO DEFER was made by Commissioner Threinen and Commissioner Stewart until the
Planning Commission could receive direction from the Council by way of a resolution
change on application of resolution 75-133 of March 17, 1975 regarding water and
sewer area type assessments as applied to Park Reserve Districts and other similar
public and semi-public land usage or a decision on cost sharigg or relocation of the
sewer lines for the area,
MOTION FAILED 2-3-0) (Chairman Davenport;
Commissioners Hoyt and
Schneider against)
Chariman Davenport and Commissioners Hoyt and. Schneider stated they were against due
to the time factor involved for she County.
MOTION was made by Commissioners Schneider and Hoyt that the Planning Committee
take action on this item at this meeting,
MOTION CARRIED (3-2-0) (Commissioner Threinen and
Commissioner Stewart against)
403 Rauenhorst Corporation -403 Preliminary Plan and
Rezoning
MOTION. was made by Commissioner Stewart and Commissioner Threinen that the Planning
Commission make the following recommendation to the City Council
That the request of Rauenhorst Corporation for approval of the preliminary plat
of Circle Star Business Center 3rd Addition and rezoning from B-3 (Service Business)
to I-1 (Planned Industrial) of lots 1, 2, and 9 thereof per plans dated November 1$>,
1977 subject to the following conditions;
1.. Compliance with the provisions of the City Engineer's memorandum, particularly
with respect to a future median cut and turn lanes in Fernbrook Lane.
2. Specific and recordable quit claim by petitioner for any and all access rights on
all Highway 55 and Fernbrook Lane frontage as well as the easterly 150 feet of new
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29th Avenue North.
3., Commercial usage of hots 3-u8 shall be limited to 170 unit Motel," "restaurant"
and "service station'", per Council Ordinance #72-12 unless an alternate General
Development Plan is approved by the City 'Counci'l
It was pointed out that it was the intent of the Commission to possibly allow an
ingress for the easterly most lots based; on the site plan that may be presented for
the lots,
MOTION TO AMEND was made by Commissioner Schneider ,and Commissioner Threinen that
condition #2 with respect to F'ernbrook Lane of the previous motion be deleted.
MOTION TO AMEND CARRIED (3-2-0) (Commissioners Hoyt and
Stewart against)
Commissioners Hoyt and Stewart stated they were against due to the proximity of the
proposed ingress/egress to the Highway 55/Fernbrook Lane intersection.
The Commission then voted on the main motion as amended.
MOTION CARRIED (5-0-0) (All in favor)
A-779 Hennepin County Park Reserve Distpict A-779 Regui'ding trom LA -1 to
Public/Semi-public
The Commission discussed: in detail the economic impact of the proposed change to
the Guide Plan as proposed by Hennepin County.
MOTION was made by Commissioners Schneider and Hoyt that the Planning Commission make
the following recommendation to the City Council'.
That the request of the Hennepin County Park Reserve District for reguiding of lands
in the north half of Sections 1 and 2 of the City of Plymouth from LA -1 (Low Density
Residential) to Public/Semi-public for purposes of expansion of the Eagle Lake
Regional Park, be approved
Further that the Planning,Commission requests the City Council to determine the
economic impact of participation in this situation as well as the benefits to the
citizens of Plymouth, and because of the time exigencies presented by Hennepin County
in good faith, the. Planning Conmission recommends approval of the request.
MOTION CARRIED, (3-2_0) (Commissioners Threinen and
Stewart against
Commissioner Threinen stated that he felt acting upon this matter at this time was
inappropriate due to the fact that the City was missing data as to the economic
impact upon its citizens,. Further, he stated that he felt that action to approve
this request would be in direct violation of the City's adopted +Goals , Objectives,
and Criteria, specifically Goal B, Economic tii tal i ty, Objective #1, Criteria #3 and #4
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dealing with determination of direct and indirect economic impacts of departures
from established guide plans.. In addition, Commissioner Threi;nen stated that he
felt that action on this, item would be inconsistent with adopted policy resolutions
75-133 dealing with Area Type Assessment policy and 73-343 dealing with the Policy
on Implementing New Water and Sanitary Sewer Area Type Assessments.. Commissioner
Stewart agreed,
A-349 Kul bercLManufacturing -3 ¢ Site Plan Amendment
Staff presented petitioner's request for site 'plan amendment to their existing site
located at the northwest corner of 53rd Avenue North and County Road 18 of 22:,151
square feet. Of note was a request by petitioner for less than the required number
of parking spaces. It was pointed out, however, that petitioner had several hundred
feet of open land west of the structure available for additional parking if needed.
Staff recommended approval of the request per the staff report of December 1, 1977,
MOTION was made by Commissioners Threinen and Hoyt that the Planning Commission make
the following recommendation to the City Council,
That the request of Kullberc Manufacturing for a site plan amendment to add 22,151
square feet to their existing plant per plans dated October 11, 1977 be approved
subject to the following conditions
1. Compliance with provisions of the City Engineer's memorandum including connection
to public sanitary sewer upon the City Engineer's recommendation.
2. Provision of additional parking, if required to attain one space per employee
on the major shift.
3. Provision of front setback landscaping along the 400 feet of existing structures
comprised of 10 shade or ornamental trees of at least 2=l/2" calipher.
4. Provision of performance security for site plan improvements per Zoning Ordinance
requirements for 12 months maximum.
FURTHER, that variances, be approved for rear yard parking setback from 30 feet to
16.9 feet based,on rail siding usage and to allow application of the "space per employee"
equation for off-street parking based on an owner -occupant with sufficient site area
for additional parking if required,
MOTION CARRIED (5-0-0) (All in favor)
A:77.4 Ridgecrest Addition A-774 Amended Preliminary Plat
Responsive to Planning Commission requests, the subject plat had .been combined with the
property to the west owned by Mr. Alan Stensrud. The revised plat was presented for
Commission consideration. It was pointed out by Staff that a new public hearing would
bE required due to the addition of land to the plat. Also, Staff had proposed an
alignment for the Pilgrim Lane collector.
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Mr. James Hill architect for Mr. Loscheider, stated that the Pilgrim Lane alignmentasproposedyStaff, would not have a positive. affect upon the project in terms of
traffic or benefit to the lots that would be fronting the proposed street.
Audrey Prues, 2925 Quaker Lane, asked if there were not other options available for
the Pilgrim Lane routing: to avoid making Quaker Lane a thoroughfare.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Threinen and, Commissioner Stewart that the Planning
Coission consider as an option for public hearing purposes for the dedication of right-
of-way from Lot 3 of the Stensrud portion -of the proposal and Lot 1O.of Block 1 of the
Loscheider portion of the proposal for possible continuance of Quaker Lane.
MOTION CARRIED (5-0-0) (All in favor)
2 n9ye `ohnson = Site Plan Amendment
Staff presented petitioner's request for an amended site plan totaling 110,000
square feet fot^ rental warehouse use proposed to be located at the southwest corner
of Nathan Lane and 100., Avenue North. Of note, theproposal previously included
two structures whereas the revised proposal included only one structure. It was
pointed out by petitioner that the marginal soil conditions and grading problems of
the earlier plan had resulted in this new proposal. The total area of the one currently
proposed structure was less than the total of the previous two structures,
MOTION was made. by Commissioner Schneider and Commissioner Thr,2inen that the Planning.
Commission make the follwoing recommendation to the. City Co. ail:
That the request of Yngve/Johnson for a 210,000 square foot structure for warehouse
rental use proposed to be located at the southwest, corner ofNathan Lane and 10th
Avenue Nurth per plans dated October 20, 1977 be approved subject to the following
conditions;
1 No outdoor storage of waste, waste containers, materials or garbage.
2. Posting of 150%, 18 -month landscape and drainage band prior toissuance of
building permits,
S. Petitioner pay a Pari` Dedication Fee of $9,880 based on $500 per acre times
19.76 acres, payable to tate City prior to building permit issuance,
4. Engineering recommendation of the City Engineer by incorporated.
5, An area reserved for 402 additional parking spaces of the site to be paved at.the
time of need.
6. Additionalright--of-way along Nathan Lane and 10th Avenue North, i.e. 52.5 feet
and 40 feet respectively, be dedicated tothecity.. Developer to petition
the City for public improvements along Nathan Lane..
7. No sign variances be permitted,
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Further, that variances be approved for parking setback along 10th Avenue North from
50 feet and from 600 to 233 parking spaces based on demonstrated availability df'site
area for required spaces, if needed.
MOTION CARRIED (5-0-0) (All in favor)
A -/Q5 fflfford Ottdn A-105 Revised Preliminary Plat
Staff presented the revised preliminary plat of "Cedar View Estates" as proposed by
petitioner. It was pointed out that the petitioner had responded to the Commission
requests regarding access to County Road 15 being eliminated as well as maintainingalllotsataminimumareaof18,500 square feet. Staff recommended approval of the
request per the Staff report of December 1, 1977,
MOTION was made by Commissioner Threinen and Commissioner Hoyt that the Planning Commission
make the following recommendation to the City Council
That the request of Clifford Otten for preliminary plat approval of "Cedar View Estates,"
a residential plat proposed at the southeast corner of Ranchvew Lane and County Road 15
for 9 lots, per plans dated November 28, 1977 be approved subject to the following
conditions:
1. Compliance with provisions of the City Engineer's memorandum.
24, Park Dedication shall be fees -in --lieu not to exceed $150 per lot.
MOTION CARRIED (5--0-0) (All in favor)
Chairman Davenport declared a recess to the meeting at 12:15 a.m. said meeting to
be reconvened at 7:30 p.m., Thursday, December 8, 1977.
The regular meeting of De_*ember,7, 1977 of the Plymouth Planning Commission was recon-
vened by Chairman Davenport at, 7:30 p.m. December 8, 1977 in the Council Chambers of
the Public Works Building, 14900 -23rd Avenue North.
MEMBERS PRESENT: C4airman Davenport, Commissioners Erickson, Hoyt, Schneider,
Stewart, and Threinen
STAFF PRESENTt Charled Dllerud and Kate Marx
2 ver:Breen awns (e envi 1 e RealtY7 - 82 Conditional Use Permit
Staff presenters petitioner's request for a conditonal use permit to operate a lawn
care service from an industrial building located at the southwest corner of Industrial
Park Boulevard and East Center Circle in the Minneapolis IndustrialPark. Petitioner
was proposing to use 10,400 square feet of the existing structure as office/warehouse
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and inside parking for company vehicles. A recommendation for approval was proposed
by .Staff subject to the conditionsas listed in the Staff report of December 5, 1977,
Commissioner Hoyt asked petitioner if any fire considerations were involved with the
materials they would be storing within the building. John Berry, representingEver -Green Lawn Service, stated that there were note.
The Commission questioned petitioner in detail as to storage of the chemicals involved,
and the manner in which the trucks were cleaned :and flushed of the chemicals they
would conn;in. Petitioner explained the procedures to the Commission:
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Commissioner Schneider questioned how many trucks would be involved in the operation. I' Mr. Berry responded that four production trucks and two pick-up trucks would beincluded.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Stewart and Commissioner Erickson that the Planning
Commission make the following .recommendation to the City Council:
That the request of Ever -Green Lawn Service for a conditional use permit to operate a
a lawn service in 10,400 square feet of the building located at 2003 East Center Circle
be approved subject to the following conditions
1. All storage of products, waste, waste containers, company vehicles and equipment
shall be inside of the primary structure.
2. Discharge of chemicals to sanitary or storm sewers shall be prohibited. Acci-
dental discharge shall be 'reported to the City of Plymouth immediately,
MOTION CARRIED (5-0-0) (Ali in favor)
A-196 C harles, VanEeckhout A-7-6 Final Plat
Staff presented petitioner's request for final plat approval of "Gleason Lake Addition,"
a plat proposed for residential development located at the southeast corner of County
Road 6 and Dunkirk Lane consisting of 18 single family dwelling lots and trail segments..
Staff proposed a recommendation for :approval subject to the conditions as "listed in
the staff report of December 5, 1977.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Erickson and Commissioner Stewart that the Planning
Commission make the following recommendation to the City Council;
That the request of Charles VanEeckhout for final plat approval of '"Gleason Lake Addition,"
a plat proposed for residential development located at the southeast corner of County
Road 6 and Dunkirk Lane consisting of 18 single family dwelling lots and trail segments
be approved subject to the following conditions
1, Compliance with the provisions of the City Engineer's memorandum of December 2, 1977.
2. Payment of Park Dedication fees -in -lieu of $600.
3. Development contract shall provide for a prohibition of any setback variance for
homes on any lot of this plat,
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MOTION CARRIED (-o-G (All in favor)
A--754 J Orman _ P. Barnes - 5 Final Plat
Staff presented petitioner's request for final plat approval of a plat ,proposed for
residential development of five single family dwelling lots located west of VicksburgLaneandsoutheastof8thAvenueNorth. A recommendation for approval was proposed
by Staff subject to the conditions.as listed in the Staff report of December 5, 1977.
Mr. Don Myron, representing petitioner, stated that a house had been planned by Mr.
Jarnes for Lot 1 of the plat that would fit on the lot without requiring any variances.
The Commissionnotedto Mr. Myron that the City's files would make soecial .note of
the fact that no variances for structure setbacks would be allowed for the homess to
be built on the lots Mr. Myron acknowledged the condition,
Mr. Myron asked that the plat be named "Birch Briar East."
MOTION ,as made by Commissioner Schneider and Commissioner Hoyt that the Planning
Commission make the following recommendation to the City Council:
That the request of Norman P, Jarnes for final plat approval of a plat proposed :'or
residential development of five single family dwelling lots located west of Vicksburg
Lane and southeast of 8th Avenue North per plans dated December 2, 1977 be approved,
subject to the following conditions:
1. Compliance with the provisions of the City Engineer's memorandum of December 2
1977.
2. Payment of Park Dedication fees-in-lieu of $500,
3. ,Development contract shall provide for a prohibition of any setback variance
for homes on any lot of this plat.
4. Street name sha'11 be ".Weston Lane.`"
MOTION CARRIE[ (5-0-0) (All in favor)
A-780' Vol.p Construction A-780 Site Plan and Lrt Division/
Consolidation
Staff presented petitioner's request for site plan approval of a 20,800 square foot
industrial structure to be occupied by a general printing firm proposed to be located
at the northeast quadrant of Fernbrook Lane and..21st Avenue North. Staffpointed out
that due to the nature of the site and adjacent developments ttrat'perhaps Parcels A,
B, and C should be platted and arrangements made for construction of 23rd Avenue North.
Glen Burnett, representing Volp Construction, indicated that the firm would be willing
to go forward with the -platting,
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The Commission then discussed the site plan in greater detail with petitioner,
MOTION TO DEFER was made by Commissioner Threinen ands Commissioner Schneider to allow
Volp to revise the site plan to include two curb cuts similar to the Staff proposed
design for 23rd Avenue North and furhter, that at the same time as the site plan
would return for review, the platting of the property involved be presented to the
Commission. In addition, petitioner shall take under advisement the conditions as
listed in the Staff report of December 5, 1977, i.e.:
1. Preservation of the bask structure proposals, i.e.. 130 feet by 60 feet initial
structure with 148 feet by 130 feet future expansion.
2. Lengthening (east-west) of the subject site by 7 feet to allow for right-of-way
dedication on Fernbrook Lane while preserving all other east-west site dimensions.
3. Reorientation of access to 23rd ,Avenue North per the December 2, 1977 StAff
4. The revised site plan should reflect no other need for var ,,o ces than as follow;
A. Driveway (only) from 50 feet to 25 feet along 230 feet (easterly) of the 23rd
Avenue North frontage.
B. Structure from 50 feet to 49 feet along the 23rd Avenue North frontage.
S. Concurrent plat shall provide for immediate construction of 23rd Avenue North,
MOTION TO AMEND was made by Commissioner Erickson and Commissioner Threinen to strike
item "6" of A of the Staff recoirmended conditions.
MOTION TO AMEND CARRIED (4-Q--1) (Commissioner Hoyt abstained)
The Commission then voted on the main motion as amended,
MOTION CARRIED (4--0 1) Ronnissioner Hoyt abstained)
A_78Vantage Companies A-781 bite Plan
Staff presented petitioner's request for site plan approval of a 74,400 square foot
multi'-tenant project (two structures) to be located betweon Annapolis Lane, Water
Tower Circle and Xenium Lane. Staff noted that the site lean was in compliance with
the zoning Ordinance requirements for the Planned Industrial Zoning District with
the exception of number of parking spaces. It was.pointed out that 213 spaces were
required wherein petitioner was proposing a total of 96 spaces for the entire project.
The Commission discussed the parking situation with petitioner in detail. It was
the general consensus of the Commission that the project, as proposed, was inadequate
in terms of the number of parking spaces provided;.
INION TO DEFER was made by Commissioner Threinen and Commissioner Erickson the request
of Vantage Companies for site plan approval for a 74,400 sgaure foot multi-tenant
prpiect ttwo structures) proposed to be located between Annapolis lane, Water Tower
Circe and Xenium Lane for the redesign per the following:
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1. Elimination of one of the two curb cuts to Xeniun, Lane.
Z, Compliance with the provisions of the City Engineer's memorandumregarding this
project.
3. Buildings be moved to the west to allow driveway on the west to be within the
setback under present ordinance standards to create possible spaces for parking
on the east and possible additional parking elsewhere on the site.
The Commission stated that should petitioner not care to build all of the parking
spaces at this time, specific area could be set aside for future parking, but that
such "future parking" should clearly be indicated on the site plan.
Chairman Davenport stated that it would t.,e important to have as many additional parking
spaces as possible for the site. He stated that at least 140 to 150 spaces should be
shown on the site.. The rest of the Commission concurred.
MOTION CARRIED (6-0-0) (All in favor)
A-508 Charles Carlson A-508 Conditional Use Permit
Staff presented petitioner's request for a conditional use permit, for an amusement
center proposed for a B-3 zone at 3425 County Road 18 North (Former Danny's, Bait and
Tackle) The amusement center wasproposed.to include pin -ball machines and other
similar coin-operated games, Soft-drink and related vending operations would be
involved also. Staff pointed out that the petition required consideration from tow
viewpoints—I) mechanical considerations with regard to site improvements and appearance
and 2) a finding as to whether the proposed use would be ". ., detrimental to the health,
safety,, morals, comfort, r-onventence or welfare of the persons residing or working in
the area adjacent to such use,, (Section 20, Subdivision 2, paragraph 1).
Commissioner Stewart asked if the property still had living quarters. Staff responded
that they did not exist any longer.
Commissioner Stewart also asked if petitioner owned the building and the equipment
within the building. Petitionerl Mr. Carlson, responded that he did.
Commissioner Stewart asked Mr. Carlson why he had decided upon an amusement center for
the use of this building. Mr. Car'Ison stated. that he felt kids between the ages of
13-18 often did not have a place to go. Instead of having them wander the streets,
he was offering a place for them to go where they could, be monitored by adults, as
his operation was at all times. He added that he only zold pop and candy at the center
and that no cigarettes were allowed.
Commissioner Stewart asked Mr. Carlson if he had spoken with any of the businesses
in the area regarding existing problems in the vicinity. Mr. Carlson stated that he
had spoken with the people at the dairy store.
Mr.. Carlson stated that the difference between his operation and some of the
operations run as part of a restaurant or part of a bowling alley or part of a
pizza Place was that the games operations are accessory and not monitored. Here
in his operation the games are the main use and they are monitored,
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Mr. Twade U..ininger stated that he agreed with Mr,, Carlson about how such operations
were to be run. His own operation in Hopkins., Twin Cities Fun and Games Center, was
currently being run the way Mr. Carlson was proposing to run his business. It was
located at 1419 Excelsior- Boulevard in Hopkins
Mr, Carlson also said that he tried to work with community groups. For example, his
plan was to have a group of mehtally retarded children come in and use the center all
by themselves at certain time. In addition, children with, physical.handicaps were
also invited to come in and use the=center in the same manner.
Commissioner Hoyt questioned Mr. Carlson as to staffing during business hours. Mr.
Carlson responded that the business opened at 2;30 'p.m. with two people on duty and stayed
open until midnight. On weekends, the business hours were noon to -.midnight with more
people being on duty during the evening hours both during the weed, and on weekends to
monitor the parking lot in order to prevent fights, etc
Commissioner Stewart stated that several years ago in New Hope, a similar proposal was
before the City and that during public Bearings on the matter, it was found that the
neighborhood did not want the business to be started. He stated that perhaps a public
hearing would be in order for this proposal.
The Commission discussed the police matters of such an operation with Twade Leini_nger
of the Hopkins operation and with Mr. Carlson in detail
MOTION was made by Commissioner Stewart and Commissioner Threinen that the Planning
Commission make the: foliwoing recommendation to the City Council:
That. the request of Charles Carlson for conditional use permit to operate an
amusement center in a B-3 zone, specifically at 3425, County Road 1.8 North, be
denied based upok= the f'ol'lowing findings:
1. Goal C, Security., Objective #4 requiring enactment and maintainerice of
policies and ordinances to. assure the safety and preservation of property,
would not ase met by this operation as proposed.
2. Said use would be"'. . .detrimental to the health, safety, morals, comfort,
convenience and welfare of the persons residing and worling in the area adjacent
to such use.
SUBSTITUTE MOTION was made by Commissioner Threinen and Commissioner Schneider that
a public hearing be held by the Planning Commission prior to any further action or
decision on this matter.
MOTION TO AMEND was made by Commissioner Schneider and Commissioner Stewart that
notification of said public hearing be sent to the businesses n6rt4*of 34th Avenue
North and south of 36th Avenue North as well as the City of New Hope and the immediately
concerned Homeowners' Associations, AMLAC, Middle East Property Owners :and Lost Lake..
MOTION TO AMEND CARRIED (5-0-0) (All in favor)
The Commission then voted the substitute motion as amended.
MOTION CARRIED (All in favor)
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37 Site Plan AmendmentA-6 4 ittaker etas A-
Staff presented petitioner's request for site plan amendment to add two signs to
their site ,at the northwest corner of Xenium Lane and County 'Road 15. Proposed
were two signs, one nameplate'sign -of 44 square feet and one directional sign of
36 square feet. Both signs were proposed at the proper location within the 200 foot
setbacks. A recommendation for approval was proposed by Staff.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Erickson and Commissioner Stewart that the Planniing
Com 7i ss i on male the Following recommendation to the City Council:
That the request of Whittaker Metals for site plan amendment for two signs to be
added to their site located at the northwest corner of Xenium Lane and County Road
15, one name plate sign of 44 square feet and one directional sign of 36 square feet,
be approved.
MOTION CARRIED (5-0-0) (All in favo,)
I
M'nnesota Toro -674 Site Plan Amendment
Staff presented petitioner's request for site plan amendment to add a sign to the site.
Proposed was a 12 foot permanent sign 5-1/L feet high to be located with 15 feet of
the front property line. Staff note:a the 5 foot setback variance implied by the location.
A recommendation for approval was proposed subject to the sign being set back 20 feet
from the property line per Ordinance requirements.,
MOTION was made by Commissioner Schneider and Comm ss'toner Erickson that the Planning
Commission make the following recommendation to the City Council:
That the request of Minnesota Roro for site plan amendment for a sign to be :added
to the site proposed to be 12 feet by 5-`1/2 for their site located at 1 -4900-
21st Avenue North be approved subject to the condition that the sign be located;
within the 20 feet setback per Ordinance requirements.
MOTION CARRIED (5-0-0) (All in favor)
A-250 Jerome P. Begin A-259` Conditional Use Permit
Staff indicated that petittzer was not present for the discussion of his request.
MOTION TO DEFER was made by Commissioner Threinen and Commissioner Schneider
consideration of the request for a conditional use permit by Jerome P. Begirt until
such a time as petitioner could be present to answer questions regarding the re -quest.
MOTION T4 DEFER CARRIED (5-0-0) (All in favor)
PLANNING C0114ISSION MEETING NOTES -18 December 7, 1977
MOTION TO ADJOURN was made by Commissioner Threinen and Commissioner Schneider,
Chairman Davenport adjourned the meeting at 11;00 p.m.
APPROVED BY PLANNING COMMISSIONEphrua y 1, 7978
David J. Davenport, 0airman
Plymouth Planning Commission
C),Q'es E. Dil erud, Secretary