HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 08-25-1976PLANNING COMMISSION,
PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA
August 25, 1976
A regular meeting of the Plymouth Planning .Coaiiission was called to order by Acting
Chairman Erickson in the Council Chambers of the PublIc Works Building, 14900 -23rd
Avenue North at 7:30 p.m.
MEMBERS PRESENT, Acting Chairman Erickson, Cotmiissioners Davenport, Schneider
and, Stewart
MEMBERS ABSENT: Chairman Kroskin, Commissioners Hagen and Threinen
STAFF PRESENTt Charles Dillerud, Milt Dale, Randy Thoreson and Kate Marx
A-208 CWrron, Trails RPUD 76-3 A-208 RPUD Concept P , lan
Staff presented petitioner's request for review of Cimar,on Trails, located at the
northwest corner of Vicksburg Lane and the Luce Line Trail, as an RPUD for 230 patio
home units and 20 single family homes.
Staff recommended approval subject to the conditions aslisted in the Staff report
of August 19, 1976,
Commiss-lener Schneider asked if the park land to the south was dedicated park land.
Staff responded that it was, not; the land belonged to the State of Minnesota and
was presently planned as an area for people to be using the Luce Line Trail,
Mr. Dick Knutson, McCombs -Knutson, spoke as proponent for the proposal. He indicated
what a where toe amenities would be for the project as well a-4 the manner in which
the amenities would be maintained, i.e. a homeowners' association.
Mr. Knutson continued, stating that the units would be approximately 1,300 sq., ft., of
living space. He added that the plans for the project included integrating the B-3
area with the residential units. Mr. Richard Neslund, Centurion Company, explained
this plan in greater detail for the Commission. He stated that it was the intent of
Centurionto purchase the building and use it for office space at least during the
construction of the project and possibly into the. future.
Cathy Olson, 1810 Archer Lane, asked about the culvert across her yard which presently
drains-Tti-t—o a swamp on the property proposed for development as to how the drainage
would now be directed as a result of the proposed development. Staff responded that
these matters would specifically be taken up at the time of preliminary plan and plat;
however, the concern would be noted now and petitioner would be expected to answer to
it at the next stage of review.
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Mr. Chris Peterson, 15905 Vicksburg Lane, asked the developer why he was developing
this particular piece of property as opposed to; any other piece within the City.
Mr. Neslund responded that the property was ready for development, all utilities were
available to the site. He further stated that he and his firm felt they had the best
u timate use for the property considering the surrounding property already in use,
tie type of land proposed for development and factors of utility availability.. The
density asked for was below the level of allowaF1e density for the land given the
guide plan density allowable for the property,
Mr James Gassner, 16110 --9th Avenue North, stated that he appreciated the developer
leiving the density lower than what would be allowable. He asked if the cul-de-sacs
would be private or public. Mr.. Knutson responded that they would be private.
Barbara Franzen 16130 --9th Avenue North stated that she felt the single family lots
at -the north end of the project ought to be larger than 13,500 sq. ft.
Maple Swanson, 16230 -9th Avenue North, asked if anything.would be done to block the
view of the people on 9th Avenue North from the project. She stated that the grade
was steep enough to allow the people on 9th Avenue North to see the entire project.
She also stated that she felt the density was too great considering the surrounding
neighborhood which was basically single family residential. She also inquired. as
to whether the developer would be willing to meet with. the surrounding property owners
to discuss the project. Mr. Neslund responded that he would be most willing to do so.
Mr. Elliot Groebner, 16315 -9th Avenue North, was concerned as to the ownership of -
the triangle parcel to the south of the land proposed for development. It was stated
that th"'Is land was owned by the State of Minnesota. Mr. Groelbner added that he was
a member of the Plymouth Human Rights Commission and was curious as to whether any
provision had been made in the housing design for the disadvantaged. Staff noted that
one of the 1,onditions recommended for approval was inclusion of provision for moderate
income housing be made within the project. The Ordinance currently does not speak
to housing for the "disadvantaged", as Mr. G.roebner referred, i.e. handicapped.
Mr. Leroy Andersson, 16920 -9th Avenue North, stated his concern for the greater density
in relation to the surrounding neighborhood. However, he added that the proposed
use was a considerable improvement over the present use. He also asked what City
plans were for Lot 8, Block 1 of the Birch Briar addition. adjacent to this proposal.
Staff indicated that the land was unbuildable for practical purposes and that there
presently were no plans for the parcel.
Mr. Dick Clark, 16535 -9th Avenue; North, asked what impact this type of development
wou1dhave on the school system. Staff explained to Mr. Clark the processes by
which the school districts are kept abreast of 'current and projected population trends.
Commissioner Schneider asked why the access to 'he south near the Luce Line was chosen.
Mr. Knutson stated that it was the intention of the developers to keep the residents
as far, away .as possible at all times from the present Kreatz building. He added, that
this location for entrance had excellent sight distance, better thanthe old location.
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Commissioner Schneider asked if the tennis courts on the proposed site ;Mould be public
or private:. Mr. Knutson stated that the tennis courts would be private and that there
would he internal trails to the courts. No parking facilities would be required for
the courts.
Acting Chairman Erickson stated that he was concerned with the spacing of the patio
home units regarding parking spaces within the driveways: Mr. Knutson stated that
there would be 23 ft of depth within the driveways and 80 ft.. cul-de-sacs.. This
is approximately the same as the way in which Chelsea Woods. is set ip.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Stewart supported by Commissioner Davenport that the
Planning Commission snake the following recommendation to the City Council:
That the request of Centurion Company for Concept Plan approvalfor Cimarron
Trails RPUD 76-3 be granted subject to the following.
I. Single family lot pl,attings be such that no lot fronts on two streets, i.e.
13th Avenue North and petitioner"s proposed loop street..
2. Provision be made for some moderate income: housing,
3. The preliad nary plat and plan reflect the City"s Storm Drainage Plan and
Proposed Trail System Plan in a more exact manner.
MOTION. TO AMEND was made by Commissioner Schneider supported by Commissioner Stewart
that a condition #4 be added to read: "Developer be encouraged to buffer the residents
to the south on 9th Avenue North and the west from the development more than what
has been shown by the developer to date."
MOTION TO AMEND CARRIED (4-0-0) (All in favor) MOTION i0 AMEND CARRIED
Staff pointed out that the most benefit to be obtained from buffering would be to
locate the landscaping on the high ground and that perhaps the surrounding property
owners would be able to work something out during their meeting with the developer.
Commissioner Stewart commented that he would encourage the developer to increase
the lot sizes of the single family lots at the north end of the proposal to provide
for more transition of unit type Nithin the development.
Commissioner Schneider stated that he, too, would prefer the lots to the north
designated as single family be 18,500 sq. ft, to provide for transition from the north.
The main motion, as amen ,-,d, was theca voted upon.
MOTION :CARRIED (4-0-0) (All in favor) MOTION CARRIED
Acting Chairman Erickson declared a five-minute recess at 9:15 p.m., the meeting
was reconvened at 9:20 p.m.
PLANNKNG COMMISSIOV MEETING MINUTES --4 August 25, 1976
A 681 Enter rise Properties RPUD 76--4. A-681 RPUD -Conc_p Plan
Staff explained petitioner's request for Concept Plan review of a proposed PPUD
located at the southeast corner of Goldenrod Late (extended) and the Soo Line Railroad
tracks. The proposal involves 138 units of single family detached dwellings on 60
acres:. Staff recommended approval subject to three conditions .as listed in the Staff
report of August 11 , 1976.
Rick Sathre.,'McCombs-Knutson Engineering, representing petitioner, stated that the
reasons for requesting consideration undee the RPUD portion of the ordinance included
the fact that 49th Avenue North would be -signed through the land proposed for develop-
ment which, in itself, would require considerable acreage dedication as well as elimi-
nating opportunity for frontage on the road as it is classified as a Major Thorough-
fare. As1:o, there is quite a dense forest on the site which the petitioner would like
to preserve as lnuch as possible:
Commissioner Schneider stated that he felt the transition should be on the land
proposed for development as far as lot sizes.. The hots to the north should be at
least 18$00 sq., ft. as required by the Zoning Ordinance and as those in the sub-
division to the north are ;presently.
Mr, Don Mason, 11705 -53rd Avenue North, President of the Birch. Valley Homeowners'
Association, submitted a written statement to the Planning Commission concerning the
proposal.
He iterated the following concerns of the Ass,ci a.Li on:
I. Development of a trail system immediately between the proposed development
and the Soo Line Railroad to help preserve the natural beauty of the area
and perpetuate sharing of this beauty.
2 Protection of Bass [,ake from adverse effects of storm sewer drainage from
the developments. The proposed number of new: residences more than doubles
the number currently within the lake area, including those yet to be
completed in Dass Lake Highlaids. Bass Lake is currently in danger of
serious deterioration'. We have taken steps, through support of sewer and
water installation in our area and through various F,,:tivities of the Fuss.
take Improvement Association to reverse this trend.. An analysis of the
impact of storm sewer drainage and proper provision needs to be wade to
avoid destruction oF irhis resour^e..
3. Ensuring that the proposed developments are laid out in such a manner so
as to preserve the natural flavor of .the area and that the quality and
distribution of housing is compatible with our existing neighborhood,
Mr. , son also wanted' to know if 49th Avenue North vmild be put in al, at c.tce.
Staff explained that it would probably be exten 4ed as the need arose, not all at once.
Mr. E Munson, 11735 -53rd Avenue North, asked if the timber land would be 'left undis-
turbed. Mr. Sathre responded that the timber land wovid be disturbed as little
as necessary, Mr. Munson also wanted to know if the trail would all be on the railroad
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property. Staff stated that they would be requesting an additional 50 ft. along
the, railroad at the north end of the property for trail purposes from petitioner.
Commissioner Schneider, stated twhat he was not able to determ°in how the alignment of
49th Avenue North could be acoom lisped on the terrain as proposed b petitioner. p p p y p 3 ones
Mr.. Sathre stated + at h o. li' ; o t City's e . h. e w u pe o be able to work with the Ctty s Englne.rxng
Staff in order to align the- raau more in accordance with the terrain as it snow
exists rather than making extensive cuts and fills throughout the projected alignment.
Mrs. Kotsoit, 11735-53rd Avenue North, asked who would be building the trail. Staff
states that the trail would be built by 'the City. It's use would be for non-motorized
vehicles>
Florence Stanton, 11715-53rd Avenue North, asked if their present sewer project would
be iffected,hy this development, Staff responded that the amount paid by the individuals
for their portion of the sewer project would not be affected as a result of this project.
Mr. Bruce Peterson., 11620-53rdAvenue North, stated that he understood that the develop-
nlents to the south would help pay 'for the sewer project. Staff explained the difference
between the Area charges and lateral charges for the entire City. In this case,
the truck charges would be the same for each property owner, as they are across the
City, The lateral charges would vary depending on front footage. In that sense, the
trunk charges would be Shared by the property owners to the south of the present develop-
ments. The lateral clarges would neat.
Commissioner Schneider suggested that a "settling pond" be incorporated Into the site
in order that the drainage from the land not have such an inundating, affect on the
land. Staff indicated that this type of action would have to be taken on all plats
from now on, where appropriate, and that perhaps an Ordinance change world be in
order for such a*tion to take place for the future.
Acting Chairman 'Erickson stated' that he felt there were quite a few streets in the
proposed development and that it seemed perhaps to be too many, particularly around
the proposed park. Staff stated that from the City's, point of view, it would be
better to have the park backing onto streets than, the yards of property owners;
MOTION was made by Commissioner. Schneider supported"by Commissioner Stewart that the
Planning Iommission make the following recommendation to the City Council
Th,it the request of Enterprise Prcperties for Concept Plan approval of RPUD 76=4
be granted subjet to the following conditions;
1 49th Avenue Ncrth alignment be further analyzed prior to any formal plat-
ting of the area,
Dedication of 5P' ft. along the northern property line of the site for
trail purposes.
3. Lot area transition be incorporated to minim;ze reduced lot sizes along the
periphery of the site.
4. :Lots adjoining the railroad tracks be 18,500 sq. ft. in area and that appro
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pri,ate buffering be prr.Ided on those lorsto the south and the east to
minimize the affects o, the transit' )n of lot sizes.
MOTION CARRIED 14-0-0i (Ail in favor) MOTION TARRIED
i-667 Arnold Palmer RPUO 7G-5 A-567 RPUD Concept Flan
Staf,p;•e ented petitioner's request for Concept Plan review of the proposed RPUD
for B4 riP91n family detached dwelling units on 42 acres located at the southeast
corner of aY ch Lane and the Soo Line Railroad tracks. Staff 'recommended approval
of the Concept plan subject to the conditions as listed in the Staff report of August 20,
1976
Rick Sathre, McCombs-Knutson Engineering, representing petitio-ner, indicated that the
reasons for the RPUD appro."ch to the development included, the fact that 49th Avenue
North wouldbe aligned through the lard proposed for developient, whish, in itself,
would require considerable acreage dedication as well as eliminating opportunity for
frontage on the road as it is classified as a Major Thoroughfare. Also, the water
holding area at the northwest corner of the site.
It was pofiited out by Mr; Sathre that at least one driveway was presently being designed
to mis the ,proposed trail within the site. He added that it was believed preferable
to cross tfie trail with a driveway rather than roadways. A general consensus of the
Commission indftated agreement with the driveway crossing of trails as opposed to
roadways,
Commissioner Schneider inquired as to the proposed lot size for the lots at the north
enu of the property adjoining presently developed land. Mr. Sathre indicated that
the lots wild be designed as 18,500 sq. ft. keeping in mind buffering from the rail-
road and transition from V--_ neighborhood to the north
Mr. Don Mason, 11705-53rd Avenue North, President o.T the Birch Valley Homeowners''
Association„ stated that the Association's concerns regarding the proposal were the
same as those for the Enterprise 41roperti es RPUD. A written statement was submittedtted
to the commission indicating the 'Following three- concerns;
I. Development of a trail system imiediateiy between the proposed develop-
ments and the Sao Line Railroad to help preserve the natural beauty of the
area and perpetuate- sharing of this eauty,
2. Protection of Bass Lake from adverse affects of storm sewer drainage from
the new developments. The proposed number of new residences more than
doubles the number currently within the lake area, including those yet to
be compi.eted in Bass Lake Highlands. Bass Lake is currently in. danger of
serious deterioration. We have taken steps, through support of sewer aid
water installation in our area and through various activities of the Bass.
Lake Improvement Association to reverse this trend. An analysis of the
impact of storm sewer drainage and proper provision needs to be made to
avoid destruction of this resource:
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3. Ensuring that the pr000sed developments are laid out in such a manner so
as to preserve the natural flavor of the area and that the quality and
distribution of housing is compatible with our existing neighborhood.
Commissioner Schneider stated that his concern for the "settling pond" type of area,
particularly at the northwest portion of the site, to aid with drainage to and from
the .project and Bass Lake, existed. more so with this proposal than the previous one.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Schneider supported; by Commissione44 Stewart that the
Planning Commission mak_the following recommendation to the City Council
That the request of Arnold Palmer for Concept Pl in approval. for RPUD 76--5 be
granted subject to the following conditions:
1. Trail to be adjusted to the south side of the residential street as it
proceeds east from 49th AvenueNoi°th (southeast portion of the: site).
2. Dedication of 50 ft. along the northern property line of the site for
trail purposes,
3. Lot area transition be incorporated to minimize reduced lot sizes along
the pWp_he, xt of the site. Lots adjoining the railroad tracks at the north
end, of the s ite be 15,500 sq. ft. and that lots on the shore of Schmidt lake
be 18,500 sq. ft.
Staff pointed out that the general policy with lake shore lots was to take the amount
of shore lie actually within the site and divide it by 110 ft., the required amount
of fro,lt footage for standard sized lots within the City of Plymouth according to
the Zoning Ordinance. This limits the amount of accesses to the lake to that which
would normally exist if all lots were platted with 110 ft. frontage.
MOTION: TO AMEND was made by Commissioner Schneider supported by Commissioner Stewart
that the Planning Commission change point 13 of the previous motion to read; ".
and that lots on the shore of Schmidt Lake be limited in number by the use of the
following calculation. Number of linear feet of frontage on Schmidt fake within the
plat divided by 110 ft. equals the number of access which will be allowed on Schmidt
Lake by the plat'.
MOTIONTO AMEND CARRIED (4-0-0) (All in favor) MOTION TO AMEND CARRIED
Voting then took place on the main motion as amended,
MOTION CARRIED (4-0-0) (All in favor) MOTION. CARRIED
A-- l6iQyne Engineering Corporation A-673 Site Plan Amendment
Staff I.msente d petitioner's request far a site piian, amondment for a two-story office
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addition to their present building located at the southwest corner of I-494 and 49thAvenueNorth. Staff reco--,vonded approval of the request subject to several condi-
tions as listed in the Auuust 19, 1976 Staff report.
Mr. Robert Kirschbaum, representing FluiDyne, stated that his firm was also requesting
a variance to the front yard setback for parking.
Upon discussion by the Commission, it was general consensus that e. variance would
not be necessary at this time.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Schneider supported: by Commissioner Stewart that the
Planning Commission make the following recommendation 'to the City Council;
That the request of F1uiDyne Engineering Corporation dated June 11, 1976 for
site plan amendment be approved subject to the following conditons.
1. No outside storage of waste or garbage.
Posting of a 150% landscape bond to be termed for 18 months, prior to
issuance of building permits. Said landscape plan to be approved by the
Director of Planning and Community Development,
3. Petitioner pay a. Park Dedication Fee of $250 based on one-half acre of the
present site now under development.
4. Parking variance of four spaces be granted and no parking be allowed in the
setback areas,
5. The dedication by petitioner of a written 40 ft. easement for right-of-way
for 49th Avenue North along the north 400 ft. of petitioner`s property.
MOTION CARRIED (4-0-0) (All in favor)MOTION CARRIED
REPORTS OF OFFICERS, BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS
Capital Improvements Program 1977-1981
Staff presented the up-to-date Capital Improvements Program to the Commission which
now included additional streets, public buildings and sewer and water projects to
service City needs,
MOTION was made by Commissioner Davenport supported by Commissioner Steuart that the
Planning Commission make the following statement to the City Council;
The Commission does find the Capital Improvements Program for 1977-1.981 to
be consistent with the adopted comprehensive plans of the City of Plymouth
and does, therefore, recommend the approval ofthe Capital Tmprovements Program
for 1977-1981 to the Council as to consistency with local comprehensive plans.
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MOTION CARRIED (4-0-0) (All in favors MOTION CARRIED
MOTION was made by Commissioner Davenport supported by Commissioner Schneider
that the Planning Commission make the following recommendations to the City Council
with respect to the Capital .Improvements Program for 1977-1981 regarding priorities
and timing as possible inclusions;
1. Reforestation as a result of the Dutch Elm disease attacking the City's trees.
2. hutch Elm Treatment equipment purchase,
3, South Shore Drive, 10th Avenue North area traffic solution
4. Trail System Plan be adopted and part of the Capital Improvements Program..
S. County Road 61 completion for use of residents in the growing Bass Lake area.
6. City Park property to be acquired, be acquired as soon as possible, i.e.
Timber Shores.
MOTION CARRIED (4-0-0) (All in favor) MOTION CARRIED
MINUTES OF THE JULY 7, 1976 PLANNINGCOMMISSION MEETING
MOTION was made by Commissioner Schneider supported by Commissioner Davenport that
the minutes of the July 7, 1976 Planning Commission meeting be approved as written.
MOTION CARRIED (3-0-1) (Acting Chairman Erickson abstained) MOTION CARRIED
MINUTES OF THE JULY 21, 1976 PLANNING COMMISISON MEETING
MOTION was made by Commissioner Schneider supported by Acting Chairman Erickson that
the minutes of the July 21, 1976 Planning Commission meeting be approved as written.
MOTION CARRIED (2-0--2) (Cci,,missioners Davenport and Stewart abstained) MOTION CARRIED
MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 11, 1976 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
Commissioner Davenport stated that on page 9 of said minutes, paragraph three, the
following should;be added: "The Commission was also concerned with the parking of
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of trailers and oars for snowmobiles within Central- Park while snowinobilers would be
away from, the park. It was stated that this would be unsightly and not compatible with
the other winter uses of the park,,"
MOTION was made by Commissioner Stewart supported by Commissioner Davenport that the
minutes of the August 1l, 1976 Planning Commission meeting be approved as amended.
MOTION CARRIED (4-0--0) (All it favor) MOTION CARRIED
Acting Chairman Erickson adjourned the meeting at 11>45 p.m
APPROVED BY PLANNING COMMISSION September22, 1976
Reg Kroskin, Chairman
Plymouth Planning Commission
k6s E. Dillerud, Secretar