HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 08-11-1976PLANNING COMMISSION
CITY OF P0401UTH, MINNESOTA
August 11 , 1976
A regular meeting of the Plymouth Planning Commission was called to order by Chairman
Kros`kin at 7:30 pm. at the Council Chambers of the Public Works Building, 14900 -23rd
Avenue North:.
MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Kroskin, Commissioners Davenport, Erickson, Schneider
and Stewart
MEMBERS ABSENT: Commissioners Hagen and Threinen
STAFF PRESENT: Charles Dillerud, Milt Dale, Randy Thoreson and Kate Marx
A-176 Gleanloc -Third. Addition A-176' Preliminary Plat
Staff presented the history of the request which had previously been before the
Planning Commission for consideration. It was: noted that previous Commission action
was to recommend denial of the request to the City Council based on the following
three reasons.-
I. easons1. The plat as proposed would create 18 lots substandard either in street
frontage (110 ft. minimum), or total area (18,500 sq. ft minimum) or
both as required by Section 7, Subdivision 5 of the Plymouth Zoning Ordinance.
2. Development of the plat as proposed would result in an unacceptable degree
of slope on the lots (north to south), particularly with respect to the
required design of the Thoroughfare street proposed adjacent to the plat
County Road 15 as proposed).
3.The length, location and grades of the proposed marginal access street would
not provide reasonable traffic circulation consistent with. Goal C, Objective 3
and Goal D, Objective 1 of the adopted Goals, Objectives and Criteria.
The most significant difference between the past proposal and the present proposal
as the fact that the namber of lots had: been decreased as well as the lot sizes
being adjusted to be in .onformance with the Zoning ordinance.
Staff recommended denial of the proposal as now presented based on previous Com-
mission findings #44 and #3 ibove. The conditions reflecting finding n1 no longer
existed.
Mr. Saul Segal, Enterprise Properties, indicated that it was never the intention of
the owners of the property not to develop the land; the land was not developed prior
to this die to economic reasons and the housing market. He further stated that he
had done everything necessary, in his opinion,: to meet City requirements for the pro-
posal.
Chairman K;roskin opened the meeting to comments from the. audience.
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Mr. Ed Nannus, 430 Vinewood Lane, asked if the drainage
would affect the slough on his land to the southwest.
considered in the engineering of the project and that n
August 11, 1976
from the proposed development
Staff stated that it would be
o damage would be expected.
Mr. Gerald Wilson, $40 Pineview Lane, stated that he felt if County Road 15 would
Be built in the area, it would not be compatible with 8th Avenue North as proposed by
the developer. The cost of redoing the road.would be tremendous if 8th Avenue North
were built first and then County Road 15 were to be built over it. Mr. Wilson added
that he felt one viable solution would be for the City Council to buy the property
to be used as a temporary wildlife area until County Road 15 would be built in
the area.
Mr, Kenneth Solem, 670 Windemere Curve, stated that it was represented to him that
theseeE +lotld remain as such and not be developed. He further .aid that he
felt Mr. Icon's idea was a good one with respect to the City purchasing the land for
temporary u.e as a park.
Mr. C. E. Carlson, 660 Windemere Curve, stated that he too was told the land proposed
for development would remain natural, He felt it should remain as such,,
Mr. Gary Menine, 680 Windemere Curve, stated that he was also told within the last
six months that 'the land proposed for development would remain an outlot by Ecklund-
Swedlund.
Mr. Ball Thomas, 655 Windemere Curve, stated that Hirsch Bros. (Dick and Phil)
had represented to ham that the land proposed for development would remain an
outlot in its natural state.
Staff pointed out that no evidence was in the files that the outlot would remain in
its natural state. However, there was discussion to the fact that the outlot would,
remain an outlot to be used as. County Road 15 right-of-way at some point in the future
at the recommendation of the consulting engineer at the time the plats were first
proposed.
Chairman Kroskin closed the public hearing -at 8:15 p.m.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Davenport supported by Commissioner Stewart that the.
Planning Commission act on this isitN at this meeting.
MOTION CARRIED (4-0-'1) (Chairman Kroskin abstained) MOTION CARRIED
A-679 Addie's Wedgewoo Acres A-679 Preliminary Plat
Staff presented petitioner's request for preliminary plat review by the City of a
3.16 acre parcel proposed to be split into five parcels for single family detached
dwell irgs .
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Mrs.. Gerald Johnson; 330 Wedgewood lane, stated that her lot as well as most OF those
s arroun my the proposed development were well over an acre in size and: that she would
prefer that this Zot not be split. Staf; v,oted to Mrs, Johnson that the petitioner
was fully within her rights with the zoning to develop the land as it was beingpresented..
Mr.. A. E. Vi nnenthal, , 410 'Mewood Lane, stated that he would also prefer the land
not be spit as hisland and the surrounding pieces of property were larger lots.
Mr. Gerald Johnson 330 Wedgewdodd Lane, asked if the streets in the area would require
a major ever aulTng as a result of this 'project. Staff stated that this would
probably not be necessary until such time as the City would deem the streets to
require other work..
Chairman Kroskin _losed the public hearing at 8:35 p.m.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Schneider supported by Commissioner Erickson that the
Planning Commission take action on this issue at this meeting.
MOTION CARRIED (5-0-0) (All in favor) MOTION CIRRIED
A-176 Gleanlvch Third Addition A-176 Preliminary Plat
Commissioner Erickson asked petitions, if the proposed alignment of 8th Avenue North
was designed. to meet the grades of the land, particularly at the east end. of the pro-
perty on the hill. Petitioner responded that the grades were met on his property.
Commissioner Erickson asked if these grades were designed to also meet the grades
of future County Road 15, Petitioner responded that it was not designed to do so
on his property.
Staff pointed out that the grades at the extremities of petitioner's property would
require adjustment for the future alignment of County Road 15.
MOTION was made by CormOssioner Stewart supported by Commissioner Schneider that tie
Planning Commission make the following recommendation to the City Council':
That the request of Enterprise Properties for preliminary plat of the 6leanloch
Third Addition oe denied based on the following findings which continue to existfromthepreviousproposalof -April 19, 1976, i.e.-c
1. Development of the plat as proposed would result in an unacceptable degree
of slope on the lots (north to south) , particularly with respect to the
required design of the Thoroughfare street proposed adjacent to the plait
County Road 1S as proposed).
2. The length, location and grades of the proposed marginal access street wound
not provide reasonable traffic circulation consistent with Goal C, Objective 3
and Goal 0, Objective 1 of the adopted Goals, Objectives and Criteria,
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Com<niss inner Stewart added that he felt the petitioner had adequately taken care of
one previous concern regarding the.substandard lot sizes; however, in view of future
County Road 15 alignment, the proposal was unnacep'table.
MOTION CARRIED (4-041) (Chairman Kroskin abstained) MOTION CARRIED
A-679 Addie`s Wed ewoad" Flcres A-679 Preliminary Plat
The Commission discussed Lot 2 and the buildable area of the lot. It was suggested
that the lot lines be adjusted to provide for more buildable area for the lot.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Erickson supported by Commissioner Stewart that the
Planning Commission make the following recommendation to the City 'Council
That the request of Ann Farnam for preliminary plat approval of "Addie's
W€.dgewood Acres" be granted subject to the following conditions;
1 City Engineer's recommendation be included on tho final plat; except that a
15 ft. right--of-way dedication be trade.
2 Petitioner pay a_Park Dedication Fee of $750 to the City, ;,e. $150/lot.
3. All additional sewer and water stubs required be installed at owner's expense.
4. Adjustment of lot lines for contemplated right-of-way taking to provide
for adequate building area for all lots.
MOTION CARRIED (5-0-0) (All in favor) MOTION 'CARRIED`
A-338 Mission Ridge Third Addition A-338 Final Plat
Staff presented petitioner's request )r final plat approval of the subject project.
It was noted `that the final plat was general conformance with the preliminary plat
as well as the City's 7onirp Ordinance vequirements. Staff recommended approval of
the request subject to the conditions as listed in the Staff report of Aucust 4 1976.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Stewart supported by Commissioner Erickson thAt the
Planning Commission make the following recommendation to the City Council;
That the request of Mission West Development Corporation for final plat approval
of 23 logs and: one outlot known as "Mission Ridge Third Addition" be granted:
subject to the following conditions:
1. Engineering requests be incorporated as per memorandum from City Engineer
dated duly 29,_ 1976.
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2. Outlot A be used as park land and link up to adjacent open spaces areas.
MOTION CARRIED (5-0-10) (All in favor) MOTION CARRIED
A-338 Mission Hills Park Second Addition A 338 Fina
Staff presented petitiuner's request for final plat approval of the subject project.
It was noted that the final plat was in general conformance Faith the preliminary plat
as well as the City's Zoning Ordinance requirements, Staff recommended approval of the
request subject to tht conditions as listed in the Staff report of August 4, 1976,
MOTION was made by Commissioner Davenport supported by Commissioner Stewart that the
Planning Commission make the following recommendation to the City Council
That the request of Mission, West Development Corporation for final plat approval
of 40 single family lots and 4 outlets be approved subject to the following
conditions:
1. Engineering requests be incorporated as per memorandum from Engineering
Staff dated July 28 1976.
2. Outlot A be used as park land,
3. Street names be consistent with City Street Naming Policy as follows;
Balsam Lane be changed to Arrowood Lane
Cottonwood Lane be changed to Balsam Lane
Deerwrood Lane be changed to Cottonwood .ane
MOTION CARRIED (5-0-0)
A:j67 Carol Ann Broman A--367
All in favor) MOTION CARRIED
Conditional Use Permit
Staff .presented petitioner's request for renewal of c conditional use permit for a
home occupation of a beauty salon in her residence at x055 Glacier Lane, Staff
recommended Planning Commission approval subject to the Gond ~ions as listed in
the August 3, 1976 Staff report,
MJTIOR was made by Commissioner Schneider supported by Commissioner Stewart that the
Planning Commission mace the following recommendation to the pity Council,
That the request of Carol A. Broman to renew her conditiona`t use permit to
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operate a beauty shop in her .home at 4055 Gl der Lane be approved subject to
the following conditions;
I. Pemd t be granted for one yaarr.
2,. The beauty shop operation be limited to one beauty operator, i.,. the
petitioner,
3 That no signs be permitted on the exterior of the building.
MOTION CARRIED (5.0-0 (All in favor), MOTION ORRIED
T1-6€eVarate—d A-216 Conditional Use Permit
Staff presented petitioner's request for an. extension of the time limitation on a
conditional use permit issued petitioner for temporary Office space within a mobile
trailer. Staff recommended approval of tae request,
Mr. Mike Monteon, representing DeVac, Inc, stated that the purpose of the request
for: extension was that DeVac had decided not to expand the)r facilities at the present
time due to economic conditions; therefore, the people using- the temporary office
space would have to be relocated within the builditlg. He stated that this farm felt
the extension would be adequate to both relocate the people and remove the structure
from the s;te.
It was pointed out tt petitioner that failure to comply with the removal of the
structure at the end of the time period would result, in a potential $300 per day fine.
Mr. Monteon si.ated that his firm was aware of the penalties involved.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Stewart supported by Commissioner Erickson that the
Planning CommisslT,,c, make the following teconunendation to the City CoLncil
t`hat the request of Deftc for a 90 day extension for a conditional use permit
for temporary office space within a mobile trailer be granted and that the
permit expire as of November l5, 1976 with no renewal or exte sign to be
grant9d.
MOTION CARRIED (5-0-0) (All in .'avor) MOTION CARRIED
W.
A-624cod 6 . he gen A-624 Reconsideration of
Lot Division
Staff presented petitioner`s request for reconsideru4ion of the recommendation of the
Planning Commission ;and resultant decision of the City Council regarding a lot division
requested by petiti'uenr approximately one year ago.
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A point of controversy between the City and the petitioner involved the east -west
dimension of Parcel A. Petitioner requested not more than 125 ft (preferably less)
while Staff and the. Commission recommended 130 ft The 130 ft. figure was later
adopted by the Council, although not specifically addressed during their discussion
of the proposal.
The 5 ftp dimension represents a difference of some 875 ft. in gross lot size when
the., 175 ft. east dimension is considered. Parcel A, at 16,918 sq. fi.. (withthe
130 ft. dimension) is already well under legal gross parcel size -as required by the
City Zoning Ordinance. Reducing the dimension to 125 ft, would reduce the gross size
another 5c% for a total of 1*1 under Code requirements.
The lot division action has been held in abeyance since last year at the request of
titioner, and petitioner was now requesting reconsideration of a substitution of
125 ft,. for the appruved 130 ft dimension,
Staff recommended denial of the request based on the fact that the lot presently
was under Code and the request of petitioner would make the lot more under Code
requirements than at present.
The Connission discussed the request with petitioner and took the following action.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Stewart supported by Commissioner Schneider that the
Planning Commission reaffirm its previous recommendation to the City Council with
respect to the 130 ft. north -south dimension of the parcel of July 16, 1975.
MOTION CARRIED (5-0-0) (All in favor) MOTION CARRIED
Petitioner also stated that he did not feel the 25 ft. easement across the southerly
property line of his parcel was necessary and that he did not feel he should be
dedicating it as part of the lot division. Staff pointed out that it would be
necessary in order to provide access to the southern parcels of hand at such time as
they would be developed. Staff also pointed out that this was a practice of the City
to obtain any potentially necessary easements at the time any action would be taken on
the land in question,
A--206 Shenandoah A-206
Staff presented the Commission with a request of the Shenandoah ,flomeowners' Association
to use the areas designated for use by the sales office for parking areas. Presently,
sales office parking exists adjacent to the right-of-way along Vicksburg Lane. Also,
the sales office is soon to be removed from the -site. The Shenandoah Homeowners'
Association is requesting that the sales office parking become parking for residents
as well as a parking area be developed on. the land where the sales office once stood.
Staff and the Homeowners' Association were requesting preliminary reactions frommembersoftheCommission,
The Commissioners generally concurred that this would definitely aid the situation
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of a lack of adequate parking for the development and encouraged the Association to
proceed with their plans,
A-338 Mission Farms RPUD 76-1 A--338 Preliminary Plan, Pre-
liminary Plat and
Rezoning
Staff presented the petitioners' proposal as amended to reflect the Commissioners'
concerns from previous reviews of the project. An affirmative recommendation to the
Council was proposed by Staff,
The Commission reviewed the changes in detail with the petitioners,
Commissioner Schneider stated that he still felt the V-shaped building in area J-2
was a matter of concern as it would be able to be viewed from areas surrounding it
since it was placed on such higo ground, He further counnended petitioners on decreasing
the visibility of the. building; by placing it further down the hill; however, he stated
that he still felt attempts should be made to buffer the building as much as possible
from the sight of surrounding property owners.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Davenport supported by Commissioner Stewart that the
Planning Commission make the following recommendation to the City Council:
That the preliminary plat of RPUD 76-1, Mission Farms ROUD, be approved as
amended as of August 11, 1976.
MOTION CARRIED (5-0-0) (All in favor) MOTION CARRIED
MOTION was made by Commissioner Davenport supported by Commissioner Schneider that
the Planning Commission make the following reconmienda.tion to the City Council,
That the preliminary plat of RPUD 76-1, Mission Farms RPUD, be approved as
amended to correspond to the preliminary plat of said RPUD, to be subject to
the review of the Director of planning and Community Development.
MOTION CARRIED(5-0-0) (All in favors MOTION CARRIED.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Erickson supported by Commissioner Davenport that
the Planning Commission rmke the following recommendation to the City Council;
That the Zoning Plan for RPUD 75-1, consistent with; the approved RPUD preliminary
plan; be approved, but that final zoning action in terms of an Ordinance: action
by the Council not be approved until a final plat and or site plan, as may be
applicable., hasbeen reviewed and approved by the Planning Commission and
City Council,
MOTION CARRIED (5-0-0) (All in favor) MOTION CARRIED
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Trail System Plan
The Staff reviewed the previous Commission concerns regarding the trails as proposed.
A final Planning Commission recommendation was being sought at this time. The
Planning Commission discussed each of the trails proposed in greater detail at this
point. Snowmobile trails and AI. -Terrain -Vehicle (ATV) trails appeared to be of
Ilio greatest concern to members of the Commission,
With respect to the snowmobile trails, the Commission expressed ;..,ern over the
proposed Plymouth Creek alignment so close to the domes in the a- , , Also, the
trail alignment along County Road 61, if on high ground, was recd-, „ded for location
closer to 1-494 and not on high ground..
With respect to ATV trails, the Commiz-ion an obvious lack of trails within
the City and a single nodal, area for the use o)P such vehicles. It was stated by
several Commissioners that this type of solution would not solve the problem with
ATV in the City, and that perhaps the same trai`, that would be used for snowmobiles
could be used for ATV.
MOTION TO LAY ON THE TABLE was made by Commissioner Erickson supported by Commissioner
Schneider, the previous motion of the July 21, 1976 Planning Commission meeting regard-
ing, the action on the proposed trail system plan,
MOTION CARRIED (5-0-0) (All in. favor)OTION CARRIED
The motion before the Commission was as follows:
MOTION was made by Commissioner Threinen supported by Acting Chairman Hagen that. the
Planning Commission make the following recommendation to the City Council':
That the City Council approve the Trail System Plan as a permanent element of
the City's Comprehensive Land Use Guide Pian subject to the fallowing changes
1) A proposed corridor map be drawn indicating the portions of the trail system
plan open to the public and ready for use and that said map be updated
yearly as is done with the City's Thoroughfare Guide Plan. Also, that
some labeling system for the trails by number or naive be incorporated into
said map, for example, asshown on pages 85-87 of the Final Draft. Document,
2) Emphasis be on acquisition of trail property by the most permanent means
possible in order to avoid placing the system in a vulnerable position.
3) Acquisition and development of the trails be publicized annually for the
Plymouth residents and that the system be included as part o” the City's,
Five -Year Capital Improvements Programming,
The Planning Commission deferred action at the time the motion was made in order that
the entire Commission would have an opportunity to offer comments and questions on
this major document.
MOTION TO AMEND was made by Commissioner Stewart supported by Commissioner Erickson
that the Planning Commission add the following concerns and changes to the previous
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motion regarding adoption of the Trails System PIan:
4) Design and alignment of trails shall be such that the adverse affects on
adjoining property will be minimized. (Goal.)
5) Plymouth Creek alignment of the Snowmobile Trail should be aligned further
away from the homes adjacent to the trail as now aligned.
6) Snowmobile Trail alignment along County Road.61 should not be aligned
on the high ground, but should be closer to Highway 1-494.
7) A need exists for All -Terrain -Vehicles trails within the City's Trail
System Plan both at linear and nodal locations.
MOTION TO AMEND CARRIED (5-0-0) (All in favor) MOTION. TO AMEND CARRIED.
The main motion, as amended, was then voted upon.
MOTION CARRIED (5-0-0) (All in favor) MOTION CARRIED
A-648 Larch Lane/County Road 9 Intersectign A-648
Staff presented tho Commission with the alternatives available for the alignment of
Larch Lane and County Road 9 as well as the five major items involved with the
alignment of the intersection which included future County Road 9 alignment, sight
distance, design constraints of the Mission Partnership RPUD, existing major struc-
tures in the area. (i.e. a cemetery) and a current lack of any firm idea from the
Hennepin County Park Reserve District as to the future park access for the ptolnc-ed
regional park at Medicine Lake.
The Commission reviewed with Staff the three alternatives.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Schneider supported by Commissioner Stewart that the
Planning Commission make the following recommendation to the City Council:.
That the alignment of the intersection of Larch. Lane and County Road 9 be
aligned as follows; Larch Lane be relocated easterly and "match" the. proposed
Mission RPUD"inf:rsection with County Road 9.
MOTION CkRRIEU (5-0-0) (All in favor) MOTION CARRIED
MOTION TO ADJOURN was made by Commissioner Schneider supported by Commissioner Stewart.
Chairman Kroskin adjourned the meeting at 12:05 a.m.
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APPROVED BY PLANNING COMMISSION August 25, 1976
Reg Krosk n, Chairman
Plymouth Planning Commission
Caarles E. Dillerud, Secretary