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PLANNING COMMISSION
CITY OF PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA
May 5., ., 97
A regular meeting of the Plymouth Planning Commission was called Bio order by ChairmanKroskinat7.30 p.m... in the Council Chambers of the Public Works Building, 14900 -23rd
Avenue North
MEMBERS PRESENT Chairman Kroskin, Commissioners Davenport, Erickson, Hagen,
Schneider Stewart and Thrienen
STAFF PRESENT: Charles Dillerud, Milt Dale., Randy Thoreson and Kate Marx
OTHERS PRESENT., Cory Sohl, YAAC Representative
A-208 Midwest Four -Wheel Drive A-208 Conditional Use Permit
Staff presented the request of Mr, John W. Witt, proprietor of Midwest Four -Wheel
Drive Center, for a conditional use permit to operate a repair garage and parts
business for four-wheel drive vehicles at the southwest corner -f Vicksburg Laneand12thAvenueNorth, Subject to four conditions, Staff recommended approval of the
request..
The Commission discussed with petitioner what other types of vehicles besides
recreational four -,wheel drive vehicles, were classified as such.
Commissioner Schneider asked petitioner what types of repairs he would be performing. Mr. Witt stated tha, he could do ,just about anything except body work.
Chairman Kroskn asked petitioner what proportion of his business would be retail
and what proportion would be wholesale., Mr. Witt responded that he would have
approximately 10% wholesale business and 106 retail on the parts to begin with.
Commissioner Schneider asked petitioner how many employees would be present for the
operation Mr. Witt responded that he would begin with two employees and expand
at some time in the future.
Commissioner Schneider questioned the size of vehicles which would be serviced and
stored in the building. Staff pointed out that there would only be a to ft. overhead
door for the building access. This would tend to dictate to some extent the size of
vehicle to be serviced.
Chairman Kroskin asked petitioner if this location was well suited for his intended use.
Petitioner responded that he felt it would do well: His business, he explained, is of
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a type where customers would tend to seek him out 'rather than it being necessary forhimtobeseenbypassers-by,:
The petitioner and the Commission then discussed condition #4 as suggested by theStaffreport, i.e. "No over -night outdoor storage of customer's vehicles."
Petitioner stated that he would find it difficult to live with this condition and
that he could not honestly promise to abide by it. He statedthat there would be
many occasions where customers may want to leave their vehicles for service while they
would be on vacation or perhaps wculd simply not arrive to pick them up the same day. He also stated that he felt shuffling the vehicles around every night would be a problem.
The Commission further discussed the outside storage of vehicles with petitioner and
possible solutions such as parking the vehicles elsewhere on the site out of view.
Screening was also discuss -d as an alternative.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Stewart supported by Commissioner Erickson that the
Planning Commission make the following recommendation to the City Council:
That the request of John Witt for a conditional use permit for a four-wheel
drive repair and parts business at the Kreatz Bros. building at the southwest
corner of Vicksburg lane &nd 12th Avenue North be approved subject to the following
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1, No signs other than on the facade of the building as presently constructed.
2. No outdoor storage of parts, waste, materials or inoperative vehicles,
3. Review by the fire marshall.and City Building Inspector prior to occupancybypetitioner,
4. No outdoor overnight storg1e of customer's vehicle°r.
Commissioner Davenpor=t stated that he did not feel this was an appropriate use
for the area. He further stated that he felt all the business zoning in the: at -ea
was inappropriate as to location and the surrounding neighborhood.
MOTION CARRIED (5-2-0) (Commissioners Davenport and Threinen against)
MOTION CARRIED
Commissioner Davenport stated that he felt the proposal was inappropriate as well as -
the entire zoning andguiding. for the area considering the neighborhood surroundingtheuse.
Commissioner Threinen stated that he was against the motion because the use proposed
was neither permitted, accessory or permitted by conditional use permit in the B-3
zoning district. It is appropriately a B-4 use as per the City Zoning Ordinance.
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A-929 Access to R.L..S. #1344 A-429
Staff presented the access situation to the Commission: Mr. 1'ngve ,had approached
the City asking for a change in the driveway location from Queensland Lane to County
Road 6.. The basic problem was a, City -owned dissipator which had been placed in a
location such that any further access to County Road 6 had been prohibitive
MOTION was made by Commissioner Erickson supported by Commissioner Stewart that the
Planning Commission recommend to the Council that Council Resolution #72-413,
regarding condition #3, be amendedto read, „That one access point only be permitted
to County Road 6 as shown on the R.L.S. #1314 plan dated April 26, 1976
It was clarified that this would mean all parcels would access County Road 6 via.
a cul-de-sacs
MOTION TO AMEND was made by Commissioner Erickson supported by Commissioner Stewart
that all parcels be accessed on the cul. -de -sac.
Mr. Paul O'Brien, owner of Parcel A, stated that he was against this type of access
situation.
The Commission discussed the problems and Potential solutionss for Mr.0B i en' s
parcel. It ,as suggested that Parcel A could have access to County Road 6 via
Queens l and' Une . This would mean a change in circulation for Mr. O' B ri en's driveway
only,
MOTION TO AMEND 'ME AMENDMENT was made by Commissioner Hagen supported by Commissioner
Schneider as follows: "That Parcels B, C and D be accessed to County Road 6 via
th cul-de-sac and Parcel A either access County Road 6 via the cul-de-sac or via
Queensland Lane eliminating Parcel A's direct access to County Road: 6.
MOTION TO AMEND THE AMENDMENT CARRIED (6-0-1) (Commissioner Threinen abstained)
MOTION TO AMEND THE AMENDMENT CARRIED
The Commission then voted on the motion to amend as amended.
MOTION TO AMEND CARRIED (6-0-1) (Commissioner Threinen abstained) MOTION TO AMEND CARRIED
The Commission then voted on the main motion as amended_.
MOTION CARRIED (6-0--1) (Commissioner Threinen abstained) MOTION CARRIED
Commissioner Threinen stated that he abstained because he felt the reason for the
original plat was consistent with the Goals, Objectives and Criteria dealing with
security in that private access to thoroughfares be avoided, f=urther, he stated that
he felt this decision was up to the Council, not the Planning Commission to make.
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A-664 Schmidt Lake West A-664 Preliminary Plat and
Rezoning
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Staff reviewed this revised request of petitioner for preliminary plat and rezoning
of "Schmidt Lake West". The previous request had been before the Commission at its
meeting of April 21, 1976 at which time the Commission deferred action to allow
petitioner time to address problems dealing with drainage, streets and lot areas.
A recommendation for approval was suggested by Staff subject to several conditions.
The Commission discussed the revisions and commended petitioner on his response to
the concerns expressed at the previous meeting.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Threinen supported by Commissioner Davenport that
the Planning Commission make the following recommendation to the City Council':
That the rezoning of 15 acres known as "Schmidt Lake West" from R -O (Open
Residential) to R-1 (Single Family Residential) be approved.
MOTION CARRIED (7-04) (All in favor) MOTION CARRIED
MOTION was made by Commissioner Davenport supported by Commissioner Hagen that the
Planning Commission make the following recommendation to the City Council:
That the preliminary plat of "Schmidt Lake West" for 22 lots and one outlot
on 15 acres be approved subject to, the following conditions:_
I. Engineer's recommendations be included in the final plat as per memorandum
from the City Engineer dated April 19, 1976.
2. Based on suggested review by Park and Recreation Advisory Commission, dedi-
cation of a 20 ft. wide trail easement running along the eastern boundaryofthepkat.
3. Petitioner pay a park dedication fee of 10% of the 1976 Assessor's Market
Value of the entire site but noi: more than $150 per lot.
4. Outlot A be maintained as suers for storm wate, ponding reservoir purposes
until construction of a storEi sewer line service is available to the area..
5, No building permits be issued until such time as sewer and water are
available to the site.
6. Lot 2 Block 1 be adj _fisted rt:o have a rear lot width: of not less` than 30 ft.
MOTION TO AMEND was made by Commissioner Stewart supported by Commissioner Threinen
that the following condition #7 be added to read: "That Lot 9, Block 2 and Lots 12and13, Brock 7 shall not access Larch lane. Nor shall Lot 13, Block l access 47th
Avenue North.,`
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MOTION TO AMEND CARRIED (7-0-0) (All in favor) MOTION TO AMEND CARRIED
The Commission then voted on the main motion as amended,
MOTION CARRIED (7-0-0) (All in favor) MOTION. CARRIED
A-576 Kustom Ge Rutledge CF ]st tenon A-576 Site Plan Amendment
Staff presented petitioner's revised site plan amendment request for Kustom Die Co.
Staff reviewed with the Connnission the concerns expressed at its meeting of April 21andthesolutionspetitionerhadproposedfor -those concerns.
With respect to proposed condition #4 of the Staff report of April 29, 1976,
Commissioner Davenport asked Staff what was, considered a long term lease. Staff
stated that ten: years would be considered long-term.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Schneider supported by Commissioner Stewart that the
Planning Commission make the following recommendation to the City Council:
That the request of Kustom Die Co. for site plan amendment to their building
located at the northwest corner of Kilmer Lane and 35th Avenue North be approved
subject to the following conditions:
1. No outdoor storage of waste and materials be permitted.
2. A cash payment of $458 for Park Dedication fee, i.e. $500/acre X 0.9 acres
to the City to satisfy City requirements
3. A landscape and paving bond be posted with the City. It further be required
that all parking areas and drives be paved. This bond should be for a
perioadoo 18 months for 150% of the cost of improver'sents,
4. The consolPidation. of Lots 4 and 5 into one parcel with a long-term lease of
a minimum initial term of 10 years
Si Variances be approved to permit the following;
a, Building front yard of 30 ft
b. Building rear yard of 15 ft.
c. Parking rear yard setback of 10 ft.
MOTION TO :AMEND was made by Commissioner Erickson supported by Commissioner Davenport
that the variances be changed to allow a 45 ft. front yard parking setback and aISft. setback for the rear yard.
MOTION FAILED (1-6-0) (Chairman Kroskin, Commissioners Davenport, Hagen, Schneider,
Stewart and Threnen against)
MOTION FAILED
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The main motion was then voted upon.
MOTION CARRIED (7.0-0) (All in favor) MOTION CARRIED
Ch,airmar"i Kroskin declared a five-minute recess at 9.05 p.m.
The meeting was reconvened at 9:10 p.m.
A-A--94'enter A -94i Preliminary Plat
and RezoningI
Responsive to the suggestions made by the Planning Commission at its special meeting
of April 28, 1976, Planner Dil1erud presented a revised preliminargv plat incl?d ng
tete realignment of two of the reads for the plat. The revised pr i,' %inary plat and
rezoning requests were before the Commission for recommendation to a Council.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Threinen supported by Commissioner Hagen that the
Planning Comnission make the following recommendation to the City Council:
That the request of the City of Plymouth for rezoning of 58 acres 'located at the
northeast corner of Vicksburg Lane and Highway 55 be approved based on the
General Development Plan presented therefor, i,e. Lot 1, Block l be zoned B--2
Lot 1, Block 2L be zoned 5-3 and Lot 1, Block 3 be zoned B-1'.
Mr. Frank Larsen, representing Plymouth Hills Company, stated thdt the alignment
of Niagara Labe was not responsive to the needs of the PlymoAitb Hills plans for the
area.
Planner Dillerud stated, that he had four points to bring up with respect to the site
development and the relationship of the plan with the entire area:
L He stated that the City was, of course, looking out for its own interQ ts;
it had no desire to place the post office in a swamp nor did it want to place
the proposed City fiall site into a swamp-. Howover, the City also has a firm
committment to cooperate with the Plymouth Hills people. He stated that he was
not proposing to compromise either of their positions.
Also, the City is not interested in making Block 3 of its plat unb jildable.
The sell -back potential of the piece of l and depends on, its bui ,,abi 1 i ty.
Construction plans are to accommodate the lead tenant, which is the post office
for the City land. At this time, there is no,construction proposed for the
immediate future to the West of Niagara Lane between 34th and 32nd Avenues North.
4. Planner Dillerud further stated that he had no objection to platting only enough
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land as would be necessary for the lead; tenant, i. the post office at this time.
A final plat for the rest of the land could be presented and coordinated at
such, time as the Plymouth Hills Company plans could be drawn and presented
for consideration in order that all road alignments, etc. would correspond
to the needs of both parties
Rick Sathre, engineering consultant for Plymouth Hills Company, stated that he
agreed that it would be a good idea; to have the Plymouth Hills plans drawn up in
order to see how they would coordinate with the City's plans However, at this
time, it was indeterminable where the various: elements of the Plymouth Hills project
would be and asked that only the eastern portion of the City's plat be considered
for final: plat untilPlymouth Hills could present their drawings,
The Commission then voted on the motion for rezoning.
MOTION CARRIED (7-0-0) (All in favor) MOTION CARRIED
MOTION was made by Commissioner Threinen supported by Commissioner Davenport that the
Planning Coammission recommend the following to the City Council:
That the preliminary plat for Plymouth Center be approved bases' on plat 3A as
presented to "he Planning; Commission May 5, 1976.
MOTION CARRIED (7-0_0) (All in favor) MOTION CARRIED
A--658 and A-659 5opko/Freeman A-658 ,and A--659 Lot Divisions
Staff Indicated to the Commission that this item; which had previously been to the
Commission at its meeting of April 7, 1976 was again being presented to the Commission
prior to; any Council action in order to answer the concerns of the Commission with
respect to the conditions for approval set forth at the April 7, 1976 meeting.
Of major significance, Carlson Properties had submitted a letter to the City indicating
their willingness to enter into an agreement with the City whereby Carlson Properties
would agree not to develop or sell the Freeman/Sopko parcels without submitting a
plat covering said property.
MOTION TO RECONSIDER was made by Commissioner Threinen supported by Commissioner Schneider
the motion of the Planning Commission meeting April 7, 1976 whereby the Cmmiission
approved the division of Ben Sopko's property located at the southeast corner of
County Road 15 and Kingsview Lane subject to four conditions,
MOTION TO RECONSIDER CARRIED (6-w0-1) (Commissioner Hagen abstained
MOTION TO RECONSIDER CAyRRIED'
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In view of the Carlson Properties letter, Commi.ssione— Threinen soggested that it would
be appropriate to hake a substitute motion for the one passed April 7, 1.976 for
Council consideration.
SUBSTITUTE MOTION was made by Commissioner Threinen supported by Commissioner Schneider
that the Staff prepare a proper action recommendation for the Council based upon the
stated Carl r.)n Properties intent to enter into an agreement as concerns the Sopko
propertt, Said recommendation. is to include the following conditions:. 1) granting
of a 'i ft. wide easement for trail purposes along the County Road 15 frontage and
2) the execution of said agreement by Carlson Properties, Inc.
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Commissioner Davenport expressed concern with respect to the 84.88 ft. frontage on
County Road 15 extending 145.,81 feet back to the south of the Sopko property.. Staff
indicated that their concern with respect to this strip of land had been somewhat
mitigated by the Carlson Properties letter of intent.
SUBSTITUTE MOTION CARRIED (6-0-1) (Commissioner Hagen abstained)
SUBSTITUTE MOTION CARRIED
MOTION TO RECONSIDER was made by Commissioner Threinen supported by Commissioner Schneider
the motion of the Planning Commission meeting April 7, 1976 whereby the Commission
approved the division of Clifford Freeman's property located at the southeast corner
of County Road 15 and Kingsview Lane subject to three conditions.
MOTION TO RECONSIDER CARRIED (6-0-1) (Commissioner Hagen abstained)
MOTION TO RECONSIDER CARRIED
SUBSTITUTE MOTION was made by Commissioner Threinen supported by Commissioner Schneider
that Staff prepare a proper action recommendation for the Council based upon the stated
Carlson Properties intent to enter into an agreement as concerns the Freeman property.
Said recommendation is to include the following conditions: 1) granting of a 20 ft.
wide easement for trail purposes along County Road 15 frontage and 2) the execution
of said agreement by Carlson Properties:, Inc,
SUBSTITUTE MOTION CARRIED (6-0-1) (Commissioner Hagen abstained)
SUBSTITUTE MOTION CARRIED
REPORTS OF OFFICERS, BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS
County Road 10 Ali ngMent
taff presented: the proposed County Road 10 alignment for Commission review.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Davenport supported by Commissioner Stewart that the
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Planning Commission ma, the following recommendation to the City Couto il:
That the alignment of County Road 10 as proposed by Hennepin County by the print
dated April 16, 1974 be rejected in favor of an alignment north of the present
roadway location that will remove the several dangerous curves between Zachary
Lane and 1.494.
Earlier action recommended by the Planning Commission and adopted by the: City Council
obtained substantial right-of-way dedication north of the present road location (up
to 50 ft.) 0 accommodate such road relocation.
MOTION CARRIED (7-0-0) (All in favor) MOTION CARRIED
MINUTES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING P..''RIL 21, 197E
MOTION was made by Commissioner Hagen supported by Commissioner Stewart that the
minutes of the Planning; Commission meeting of April 21, 1976 be approved as written.
MOTION, CARRIED (7-0-0) (All in favor) MOTION CARRIED
MINUTES OF THE SPECIAL PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING APRIL 28, 1976
MOTION was made by Commissioner Hagen supported by Commissioner Stewart that the
minutes of the special Planning Commission meeting of April 28., 1976 be approved as
written
MOTION CARRIED (7-0M0) (All in favor) MOTION CARRIED
MOTION was made by Commissioner lhreinen supported by Commissioner Erickson that
the meeting be adjourned.
Chairman Kroskin adjourned -the meeting at 10.30 p.m,
APPROVED BY PLANNING COMMISSION May 19, 1976
Reg Kroskin, Chairman
Plymouth Planning Commission
Chvis . Di 1 l erud, Secretary