HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 04-07-1976PLANNING COMMISSION
CITY OF PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA
April 7, 1976
A regular meeting of the Plymouth Planning Commission was called to order by Chairman
Kroskin at 7:30 p.m. in the Council Chambers of the, Public Works Building, 14900-
23rd Avenue North,
MEMBERS PRESENT. Chairman Kroskin, Commissioners Erickson, Davenport, Schneider,
Stewart and Threinen
MEMBERS ABSENT. Com%issioner Hagen
STAFF PRESENT; Charles Dillerud, Milt Dale, Randy Thoreson and Kate Marx
OTHERS PRESENT: Cory Bohl and Tom Vettel, YAAC Representatives
A-657 Ra5U Asp and A-657 Preliminary Plat and
Rezoning
Chairman Kroskin open::d the public hearing on this item at 7.30 p.m. Commissioner
Stewart steppeddown for discussion and action on this iter,.
Staff presented petitioner's request for rezoning from R-0 (Open Residential District)
to R=-1 (Sngie Family Residential District) of 819 acres located at the southwest
corner of aunty Road 10 and Deerwood Lane and preliminary plat of said acreage,
known as.-,splund's Oakwood Shores", into 15 single family residential bolding lots.
Staff indicated that redesign,of this plat would be necessary to accommodate the
additional right-of-way needed for County Road 10. Also, of significance to the design
of the plat, it was recommended that petitioner negotiate a land exchange with the
owner of proposed Bass Lake Oaks to the northwest to create motryc regularly shaped
lots along t;.is property line.
Staff recommended approval of the rezoning and preliminary plat requests subject to
nine conditions as listed in the Staff report of April. 1, 1976;
Chairman Kroskin opened the .public hearing to comments and questions from the audience.
1r°. Al Davies, 6625 Evergreen Lane, asked if the. matter of water flow out of the `lake
ra` d bbeenttaken care of. Staff responded that i,t had been. Drainage easements will
be taken where necessary for this.,
Commissioner Threinen asked petitioner if he had completed the negotiations with the
property owner to the west. Petitioner, Rand' Asplund, 6751 Noble Ave., New Hopes
stated that he was negotiating with Dorothy Follese at this time.
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Commissioner Schneider asked Staff why the easement to the high water mark of the
lake was not continuous along the shore of Lot 10. Staff responded that a ridge
existed et this spot. The easements are tied to elevations which would exclude this
ridge, Commissioner Schneider suggested that it may be appropriate to continue this
easement along the entire tear property line of Lot 10.
Chairman. Kroskin closed the public hearing at 7-.50 pm.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Erickson supported by Commissioner Davenport that
the Planing Commission act on this item at this meting.
MOTION CARRIED (5-0-1) (Commissioner Stewart abstained) MOTION CARRIED
A 634 Dorothy Follese T --T3-4 Preliminary Plat and
Rezoning
Staff presented petitioner's request for rezoning of approximately 4 acres, known
as "Bass Lake Oaks" from R -O (Open Residential District) to R-1 (Single Family
Residential District) located at the southwest corner of County Road 10 and Deerwood
Lane, and preliminary 'plat of said: acreage into 6 single family lots.
The relationship between this plat and the plat to the Southeast ("Asplund's Oakwood
Shores") was again discussed in terms of what affect it may have on this plat. Staff
recommended the dedication of additional right-of-way along County Road 10 to
accommodate a service drive to be used as access/egress from the proposed plat,
Staff recommended approve' of the request for rezoning and preliminary plat for
Bass Lake Oaks" subject to the seven conditions as listed in the Staff report of
April 1, 1976.
Commissioner Threinen asked Staff for clarification of the location of the access/
egress points from Courity Road. 10 to the service drive proposed. Staff indicated:
that one would be directly ticrth of Lot I while the other would be directly north
of Lot 7 of "Asplund's Oakwood Shores" which is adjacent to Lot 7 of "Bass Lake
Oaks".
Commissioner Schneider questioned the need for two a.ccess/egress points. He suggeste
that there may be another way to handle this.
Commissioner Erickson questioned the appropriateness of having access to this plat
via the neighboring plat. Staff responded that this was usually done as streets
would terminate in one plat and. continue into another plat as is happening here,
Commissioner Erickson asked if this would be a public street. Staff responded that
it would be.
There were no comments from members of the audience with respect to this item.
Chairman Kroskin closed the public hearing at 8,00 p.m.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES -3- April Z, 1976
MOTION was made: by Commissioner Stewart supported by Commissioner Erickson that the
Planning Commission act on this tiem at this meeting.
MOTION CARRIED (6.0-0) (All in favor) MOTION CARRIED
AM561 Volp Construction Co. fA-561 Preliminary Plat
Staff presented the preliminary plat request of Volp Construction Co. for public
hearing. At its meeting of iMarch 17, 1976, the Commission reviewed the request
for preliptinary plat (not a public hearing) and site plan approval of the petitioner.
At that time$ the Commission tank action to defer the request of the petitioner and
asked for Council direction for review of the request for an "industrialcondominium"
project via an Industrial Planned Unit Devel opment ordinance. Staff took the fommfls^
sion".s request to tine City Courncill at its meeting of April 5, 1976.
Council response was to direct the -%aff and the Planning Commission to reconsider
the concept of an Industrial Planneo !,,nit Development within the City Ordinance and:
further, that the subject ordinance have definitive criteria much as the, Residential
Planned Unit Development as to what objective standards a development should meet
before it i-4 to be considered as an Industrial N anred Unit Development i,e. a
minimum acreage requi remnt.
There were no comments from the audience on This item:
t,i„firman Kroskin closed the public hearing on this item at 8:10 p.m
MOTION was made by Commissioner Threinen supported by Cotfonissioner Schneider that the
Planning Commission take action on this item at this meeting.
MOTION CARRIED (6-0'-0) (All in favor) MOTION CARRIED
A ;iter rise Properties A-166 Preliminary Plat and.
Rezoning
Chairman Kroskin stepped down for the discussion and action on this item.
Acting Chairman Threinen presidedover discussion and action on this item:
Staff presented the background and history involved in the current request of Cliff
Fraser and Enterprise Pio? `i es for rezoning from R --O (Open Residential District)
to R-1 (Single Family' -tial District) of 7.23 acres at the northeast and northwest
corners of 8th Avenue North and Pineview Lane and preliminary plat of said acreage into
18 single family residential buiilding lots.
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Effectively, the three outlots from previous additions, of Gleanloch were now proposed
for platting as single family residential lots. A letter from,Bonestroo, Rosene,,
Ande.rlik & Associates, Inc., the City's engineering consultants, to the City of Ply-
mouth dated May 20, 1968 stated that, at the time of the originally proposed plat,
the outlots-were so arranged "for future County Road #15 along the south line (V
the ;plat) and because grade and construction problems are not, . .known, the developer
has indicated an outlot for this area." Staff stated in its report of April 2,
1976 that it would not recommend platting of the outlots for the same reason as they
were not platted in 1968.
Commissioner Erickson asked if the outlots under discussion were figured into the
previous platting procedure allowing for the smaller lots. Staff responded that this
was not the case. The far northwest corner of the site had been dedticated for park.
purposes at that time as part of a Subdivision Unit Project type of development.
However, the outlots under discussion weLr- not part of this.
Mr. Saul Secs representing Enterprise Properties and Cliff Fraser presented the
proponents side of the petition. lie stated that the reason for the lots now pro-
posed for being the size they were was that the entire Gleanloch property had been.
discussed as one entity" back in 1968. He stated that; he felt the richt to smaller
lots had been granted by action in 1968.. Mr. Segal further stated that Enterprise
Properties had been "ao-ving taxes on the land for eight years and that it was simply
good fiscal policy for his company to develop this land at this time. The platting
of this land was approached from the original assumptions of development in 1968.
He stated that he was asking for the City to either purchase the land for the construc-
tion of County Road 15 or to allow them to develop.
Acting Chairman Threinen opened the public hearing to comments from the audience,
Mr. Ken Solom, 670 liindemere Curve North, stated that he was told by Ecklund-Swedlund
theoutlots would remain outlots and would not be built upon and that this was
one of the reasons he chose the lot he now owns. He stated that he was against the
development of the property because of the affect it would have on the value of his
property. Further, he staked that the outlots are now used for various recreational
activities by both children and adults. Also, he stated that the lots were under-
sized as they did not meet the Zoning Ordinance requirements.
Commissioner Davenport asked Mr. Solom what the role of Ecklun-.Swedlund was in this
matter. Mr, Solom responded that they purchased thi'er lot from Ecklund-Swedlund•,
however, others in the area had purchased their homes from individual contractors.
Mr. Bolam added that there had been a difference -of opinion recently as to the defi-
nition of "outlot". The attorney for the. neighborhood stated to them that the
definition was 'land not proposed for any sort of development".
MrFrank Kollmer, 645 Windemere Curve, tot 14, stated that one of the reasons they
fought in this area was the fact that they were told the outlots would never be built
on. He stated that it was a beautiful area which helped create a good deal of
privacy for the neighborhood.
Mr. Jeff Jacobsen, 650 Windemere Curve, Lot 22, stated that his builder, Adam_neukler,
negotiated with Cliff Fraser and that his builder told him that Mr.. Fraser had
Indicated to him that the outlots would never be built on
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Goolissioner Stewart asked Mr. Jacobsen and the rest of the audience if anyone had
anything in writing to the effect that the outlots would not be built on. Everyone
responding stated that they were told this would be true, but no one had anything in
writing so stating,
Mr. C., E. Carlson, 660 W ndemere Curve, stated that he was told by Mr. Norm Nielson
that the outldts w-Ould not be .built on because the topography was too difficult
for any building.
Mr. Tony Scherber, 700 Vindemere Curve, stated the outlots were used as selling points
inhat trey 7a chosen the lot they own specifically because of its loc«tion and
the outlots.
Mr. GarWilson, 540 Aineview Lane, living on the south side of 8th Avenue North
directly south of the propoWed development, discussed the topography of the area
and the problems he felt would be caused by the proposed development in terms of
County Road 15 or even t,Mpgrad ng of 8th Avenue North. He further stated.that if the
homeowners on the south side of proposed 8th Avenue North or ;proposed Count,v Road 1'5
would have to pay for the street, he was against the development. He stated that he
felt the proposed roads would benefit only the development of the single family
residences and would not benefit those on the south side of the roads_.
Mr. Wilson further indicated that the neighborhood was in the process of forming its
own homeowners' association and had discussed the possibility of purchasing the land
in order to maintain it as a park
Mr. N. Walter Graff,, 4040 IDS Center, attorney for the proposed ,homeowners' assoOation
submitted a letter to the Commission outlining the reasons they were against the
development of the outlots.
1) The original platting of the outlots hada purpose, i..e. the alignment of
County Road 15, is still valid.
2) Traffic problems will result from the premature opening of 8th Avenue North.
S) There are topographic problems with respect to the building of a road or
homesx
4) Homes with access to County Road 15 is not a good idea.
5) Storm water holding areas will be disturbed
6) A naturalbuffer will be removed.
fie stated that it would be a bad project for the city on , the whole, and would soon
become unsightly and substandard compared to the rest of the neighborhood.
Dr. Farb, 675 'iindemere Curve, stated 'that prior purchasing of the lot he owns, he
TRhi s wi fe talked with Eckl und-Swedl and and to the City and were told the outlots
would never be built on by both parties. This was one of the major reasons they bought
in th.is neighborhood. He stated further that the hand did not have to be developed,
but could remain as a natural buffer for future County Road 15.
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Mr, Seegal answered some of the gw,stions and statements of the members of the audience.
He stated that he was unaware of l ims that the outlots would remain as outlots and
that to his knowledge Mr. Fraser did not tell this to anyone, nor did he feel that
Mr. Norm Nielson would make such a statement to avtyone,.
Mr. Segal further stated that he felt the only alternatives were to build on the land
or sell it to someone to use as a park or for street purposes,
Commissioner Stewart asked the petitioner if he had had. any contact with any of the
neighborhood homeowners prior to the public hearing at this meeting'. Mr. Segal
stated that he had, not contacted any of them,
Acting Chairman Threinen asked Mr. Segal if he was a partner or owner involvedin
the; original platting of Glenaloch lst and 2nd additions. He stated tha4 he was
not an active partner:
Mr. Cliff Fraser, Enterprise Properties, arrived at the meeting. Acting Chairman
T-hreinen asked Mr. Fraser what his original understanding was with respect to the
outlots.. Mr. Fraser answered that the outlots were never given to the City. The
reason that the properties were designated as "outlots" was because of the possibility
or potential of future alignment of County !;oad 15.
Acting Chairmart Threinen asked Mr. Fraser if he was aware that the outlots were being
represented as .permanent open space to buyers. Mr. Fraser expressed surprise that
this would ever be done,
Acting Chairman Threinen closed the public hearing on this item at 9:00 p.m.
MOTION, was made by Commissioner Davenport supported by Commissioner Stewart that the
anni.ng Commission take action on this item at this meeting.
MOTION CARRIED (5-0-1) (Chairman Krosk n abstained) MOTION CARRIED
Chairman Kroskin resvrned the chair and declared a five-minute recess at 9:10 p.m.
The meeting was called back to order at 9:15 p.m.
657 Randy Asplund A•-657 Preliminary Plat
and Rezoning^
Commissioner Schneider asked for Staff reaction to an extension of 57th Avenue North
from Asplund's Oakwood.Shores directly to the service drive of the neighboring plat
of Dass sake Oaks. This would eliminate the long cul-de-sac and the need for an
additional access/egress to Count;, Road 10. Staff stated that it would bx e necessary
to discuss this with the City Engineer.
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Commissioner Schneider, stated that he felt a more :appropriate lake access for Lot l0
ought to be found,
MOTION was made by Commissioner Threinen supported.by Commissioner Erickson that the
Planning Commission make the following recommendations to the City Council:
That the request of Randy Asplund for rezoning from R-,0 (Open Residential
District) to R-1 (Single Family Residential District) based on a preliminaryplattobenamed "Asplund's Oakwood Shores" dated March 1-076, be approved.
FURTHER, that the request of Randy Asplund for preliminary plat approval, of
Aspl Fund's Oakwood Shores dated Mar^h 1976 be approved subject to the followingconditions
1) The dedication of 27 feet of additional right -of --way along County Road 10.
2) Ponding, drainage and utility easements as required by the City EngineerwiththedrainageofLots8, 9, 10 11 and 15 being a continuous drainage
easement.
3) The rearrangement of the proposed plat to assure that all Zoning Ordinance
requirew kits are met, i.e. lot area, width and depth requirements in an
R---1 dist*-Yct. Lot areas should all be over 18,500 square feet after right-
of-way taking and only to include area above the high water level of
Bass Lake.
4) A park dedication fee of $150 per lot be paid to the City of Plymouth.
5) Final plat approval to be subject to land transfer involving Lot 7.
6) That access to Lots 7 and 16 be provided off the service drive to be to the
north and west.This service drive should be continuous with 57th Avenue
North and be included as a part of the proposed Bass Lake Oaks service drive.
7) The existing house and shed be removed prior to final plat approval.
8) Purchase of the outlot along Deerwood Lane by petitioner to provide access
to 57th Avenue North.
9) Lot 7 of Bass, Lake Oaks be designated as Lot 16 of "Asplun(l's Oakwood
Shores
10) Lots g and. 10 be realigned to give Lot 10 better lake access.
MOTION TO AMEND was made by Commissioner Schneider supported by Commissioner Threinenthatacondition #ll' be added to read; "No building permits be issued until suchtimeassewerandwaterareavailabletDthesite.."
MOTION TO AMEND CARRIED (5-0-1) (Commissioner Stewart abstained) MOTION TG A1IME IG CARRIED
The Commissioo then voted on the main motion as amended,
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MOTION CARRIED (5-0-1) (Commissioner Stewart abstained) MOTION CARRIED
A-634 Dorothy Follese A-634 Preliminary Plat
and, Rezcaing
MOTION was made by Commissioner Erick.son supported by Commissioner Schneider that
the Planning Commission make the fo1l owing recommendations to the City Council:
That the request of Dorothy Follese for rezoning from R -O (Open Residential
District) to R-1 (Single Family Residential District) be approved based on a
preliminary plat to be known as "Bass Lake Oaks" dated March 17, 1976, and,
FURTHER, that the request of Dorothy Follese for preliminary plat approval of
Bass lake Oaks" dated March 17, 1976 be granted subject to the following condi- tions.,
1) The dedication of additional right-of-way as required by the City Engineer
to accomiodate the service drive along County Road 10.
2) Ponding, drainage and utility easements as required by the City Engineer.
3) The deletion of Lot 7 on the final plat.
4) A park dedication fee of $150 per lot.
5) Final plat approval be subject to a land transfer with the owner of
Asplund's Oakwood Shores".
6) The construction of a service road fronting Lots 1-6 and Lot 16 of
Aspl.und's Oakwood Shores This roadway to be constructed to City Engineer-
ing Department standards and to be included as part of the final plat's
development contract and to be continuous with 57th Avenue North as
proposed in "Asplund's Oakwood Shores":
7) No building permits be issued until such time as sewer and water are
available to the site.
MOTION CARRIED (6-0-0) (All in favor) MOTION CARRIED
A-561 Volp Construction Co. A--561 Preliminary Plat
MOTION was made by Commissioner Threinen supported by Commissioner Erickson that
the Planning Commission make the following recommendation to the City Council:
PLANNING COMMISSION ;MEETING MINUTES -9- April 7, 1976
That the request of Volp Construction Co.. for preliminary plat approval of
V.I.P. 494" be denied based on the fact that the concept requiresconsiderablevariancesfromthepresentordinance.
MOTION CARRIED (6-0-0) (All in favor) MOTION CARRIED
A-166 Enterorise Properties A-166 Preliminary Plat
and Rezoning
MOTION was made by Commissioner Davenport Supported by Commissioner Stewart that the
Planning Commission make the following recommendation to the City Council:
That the request of Enterprise Properties for preliminary plat approval and
rezoning from R-0 (Open Residential District) to R-1 (Single Family Residential
District) be denied based on the following reasons:
1') The plat as proposed would create 18 lots substandard either in street
frontage (110 foot minimum), or total area (18,500 square feet minimum)
or both, as required by Section 7, Subdivision 5 of the Plymouth Zoning
Ordinance,
2) Development of the plat as proposed would result in an unacceptable degree
of slope on the lots (north to south), particularly with respect to the
required design of the Thoroughfare Street ,proposed adjacent to the plat.
3) The length, location and grades of the proposed marginalaccess street
would not provide reasonable traffic circulation consistent with Goal C,
Objective 3 and Goal D Objective 1 of the adopted Goals, Obl'actives andCriteria.
MOTION CARRIED (5-0.1) (Chairman Kroskin abstained) MOTION CARRIED
Commissioner Erickson left the meeting at 9:30 p.m
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A-659 Ben Sopko A-659 Lot Division
Staff presented petitioner's request for division of his property located at the
southeast corner of County Road 15 and Kingsview Lane Petitioner wishes to divide
off Parcel "A" with his house while Parcel "B" would be retained in his ownershipbutonaseparatetaxstatement. Petitioner has indicated the future likelihood of
combining Parcel "B" with proposed Parcel' '"3" of his neighbor's, Mr. Clifford Freeman,
and developing these two parcels in concert. No specifics as to the timing or
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nature of the development are available; however, it is understood Carlson Companies
will be the purchasers. The hand is presumed to be consolidated at some time in the
future with other Carlson Companies holdings in the area.
Staff expressed concern over the use of the panhandle allowing access to County Road
15 from the rear of the Sopko property,. This type of road access to a thoroughfare
is not considered desirable.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Threinen supported by Commissioner Schneider that the
Planning Commission make the following recommendation to the City Council:
That the request of Ben Sopko for division of his property located at the
southeast corner of County Road 15 and Kingsv'iew Lane be approved subject to
the following .conditions.
1) The dedication of a storm drainage easement across Parcel "B" to the high
water alevation of 964 feet. -
2) The granting of a 20 foot wide easement for trail purposes along the County
Road 15 frontage._
8) That the 84.88 foot frontage on County Road 15 and extending 145.81 feet
back to the south be maintained as part of Parcel "A"" and that Parcel "B
consist of the remainder.
MOTION TO AiµEND was made by Commissioner Davenport supported by Cha irman Kroskin to
add ti"e following Condition #4 to read:. "That no improvements be permitted to be
constructed on Parcel B until it is combined with the Carlson Companies holdings to
the south and
MOTION TO AMEND CARRIED (5-0-0) (All in favor) MOTION TO AMEND CARRIED
The Commission then voted on the main motion as amended.
MOTION CARRIED (5-0-0) (All in favor) MOTION CARRIED
Ai---658--Cl if Ford Freeman A-658 Lot Division
Staff presented petitioner"s request for division of his property located at the
southeast corner of, County Road 15 and Kingsview lane. Petitioner wishes to divide
off Parcel "A'" with his house while Parcel "B" would be sold to Carlson Companies.
Staff expressedconcern over the creation of _a landlocked parLel in the case of
Mr. Freeman's property, particularly if i-t;.should not be used by Carlson Companies.
Commissioner Threinen asked Staff if it would be possible to grant an easement so
the rear parcel, Parcel a"B", would not be landlocked. Staff t esponded that they
would be hesitant to recommend such an easement. If Carlson Companies would not
purchase the land, an easement across the front parcel Parcel "All, would grant access
to the rear parcel.. The City Would be powerless to withhold building permits on this
lot,
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MOTION was made by Commissione' Threinen supported by Corl"issiones Schneider that.
the Planning Commission make the following recommendation to the City Council:
That the request of Clifford Freeman for division of his property located at
the southeast coiner of County Road 15 and Kingsview Lane -be approved subject:
to the -following conditions-,
1) The dedication of a storm drainage easement across Parcel "B,"to the high
pater elevation of 964 feet.
2) The granting of a 20 foot wide easement for trail purposes along the
County Road 15 frontage:
3) That no improvements be permitted to be constructed on Parcel "B" until
it is combined with the ,Carlson Companies holdings to the south and east.
NOTION CARRIED (5-0-0) (All in favor) MOTION CARRIED
Commissioner Stewart stepped down for discussion and action on this item.
A.-660 "J#s" Pizza A-660 Conditional Use Pei),-,
Staff presented peti'tioner's request to expand ',is present pizza parlor into the
adjoining dance studio by removing the present portiu,;: and doing some minor interior
alterations. The effect would be to approximately double the size of the use in
square feet. Staff expressed concern over the pkarking congestion in the area.:
A recommendation for approval was suggested. by Staff to the Planning Commission.
The Commission discussed the parking situation for the site.
MOTION wos rade by Core ss loner Davenport supported by Chairman Kroskin that the
Planning Commission Crake the fol Towing recomitendation to the City Council:
That the request of "J's" Pizza for conditional use permit to expand its
present operation be approved subject to the following conditions:
1) There be no outside storage permitted on the site.
2) The conditional use permit be reviewed after a period of one year to
reconsiJer the parking situation on the site.
MOTION CARRIED (4-0-1) (Commissioner Stewart abstained) MOTION CARRIED
MMENMR
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X449 Su Briar ford-AL-44-9 Conditional Use Fert,tit
and Site Plan Amendment
Staff presented petitioner's request for a conditional use permit and site plan
amendment approval for a used car sales office building to be located at the southwest
corner of the site (southwest corner of County Road 18 and Bass Lake Road).`
Commissioner Schneider stated that he felt there was still a lack of adequate land-
scaping on the site. He asked Staff if they had checked the amount of the stock
on the site with the approved site plan. Staff indicated that tk;ey had done so
and that presently more landscaping stock was on the site 0"M was called for by
the approved site plan of October 15, 1973*
MOTIIN was made by Commissioner Stewart supported by Cha4rmar Kroskin that the
Planning Commission make the following reooratendation to the City Councii.
That the request of Superior Ford for a conditional use permit and site
plan amendment approval for an addition of a 531 square foot sales office
building for used car sales at the southwest corner of the site be approved
subject to the following condition.
Six additional parking spaces be incorporated with existing employee and customer
parking areas.
MOTION CARRIED (5-0-0) (All in favor) MOTION CARRIED'
A-615 Lundgren Bros. Co tis truction,.Inc. A-615 Final Plat
Staff presented petitioner's request for final plat of the first addition of
Ferndale North" located at the noti theast corner of Ferndale Road and Wayzata/Ply
mouth City limits. Staff was rec,mmending approval ` the request of Lundgren Bros.
Construction, Inc. subject to three conditions.
Commissioner Schneider questioned petitioner as to the use of Outlot A.
Mr. Rick Sathre consultant for Lundgren Bros., stated that the outlot would me..-e
properly by the property owners on the east side of the lake rather than
the vast majority of the plat. on the west side; therefore, it was designated as an
outlot,
Mr. Peter Pflaum, President of Lundgren Bros., stated that he felt the main road
Ugh the 51 ought to be named Ferndale Horth Drive, not Brockton Lane as stated
in Condition #1 as proposed by Staff. Further, he stated that he did not agree
with Con,.'ition #3 with respect to the improvements that might be stipulated in the
recommendations of Barton-Aschman's Ferndale Road study. Mr. Pflaum stated he could
not agree to the recommendations of a report he had not seen. Staff indicated. to
Mr., Pflaum that the report would be available by the time this item reached the Council
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for final approval and that he could work this out at that time with the Council.
Commissioner Threinen asked Staff what the recommendation of the City Engineer was
with, respect to the length cul--de-sac wFtizin the plat as far as extend ng the road to
intersect with Queensland.Lane. Staff reported that the Engineer felt the grades
were too steep to try tt bring the road through to intersect with Queensland Lane.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Schneider supported by Commissioner Stewart that the
P1ann,ing Commission make the following recommendation to the City Council*
That the request of Lundgren Bros. Construction, Inc, for final plat of
Ferndale North 1st Addition" be approved subject to the following, conditions..
1) Street running .east -west through the plat be labeled "Brockton Lane" as
per the City Street Naming Policy.
2) Utility and drainage easements be granted and shown on the plat as per
the City Engineer`s recommendations,
3) Ferndale North road construction—The City has currently under study
North Ferndale Road. The developer agrees to any improvement that might
be stipulated in the recommendations of said report.
MOTION CARRIED (5-0-0) (All in favor) MOTION CARRIED
A-225 Fazendin park Fifth Addition A-220 Final Plat
Staff presented petitioner`s request for final plat approval of the fifth addition
of Fazendin Park located in the northwest quarter of Section 29. Staff was recom-
mending approval subject to three conditions.
i Commissioner Schneider asked petitioner about the additional parcel located at the
far southeast corner of the proposed plat. Mr. Roger Fazendin, petitioner., indicated
ti,at the piece of land belonged to the original owners of the land, the Carls, and
that he had been requested to add this one lot as part of his plat by the family.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Stewart supported by Commissioner Threinen that the
Planning Commission make the following recommendation to the City Council.:
That the request of Roger Fazendin for final plat approval of "Fazendin Park
Fifth Addition" be approved subject to the following conditions.
1) Outlot A be deeded to the City of Plymouth for bicycle and pedestrian
use.
2) Outlot B be deeded to the City of Plymouth for street easement until such
time as Fountain Lane is built southward.
3) Any additional utility and drainage easements be granted as per City
Engineer's recommendations.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES -14-- April 7, 1976
MOTION CARRIED (5-0_0) (All in favor) MOTION CARRIED
A.-323 Wallace Freeman A-323 Site Plan, Preliminary
Plat and Gei eral Develop-
trent Plan
Staff explained its report on the subject and indicated to the Planning Commission
that at 4:00 p.m. prior to the meeting petitioner had presented a revised site plan
to t?i'e Staff which they had not: had time to review,
Chairman Kroskin stated that he felt that the people who were developing this project
should have had the information to the.Staff in time for tnier review. He further
stated that he felt it was an imposition on the Staff and the Commissic that the
petitioners would come in at such a late time with a revised plan,
The Planning Commission discussed the proposed change in the General Development Plan
from 19.72, which was basically a change in the apartment building location from what
was proposed in 1972.
Two of the homeowners in the area submitted a note to the Commission stating the
following:: They stated that they objected to the currently proposed lot plan for.
Willow Creek" based on the. following:
1 The proposed apartment complex provides inadequate separation from the
homes along Quaker Lane:
2. The direct abuttment of high density apartments to single family dwellings
is inconsistent with good zoning practice.
3. The intersection of County Road 15 Highway 55 and the service road cannot
tolerate the projected traffic.
4. The current plan represents a major revision to the plan approved in 1972.
The burden to justify this lies with the petitioner and the need has not
been demonstrated.
The note was signed by Mr. Dennis Longren 235 Quaker Lane, Mr. James. F. Egenberger,
300 Quaker Lane and Mr. Jim Marks, 315 Quaker Lane.
Commissioner Schneider stated that he did not feel the transition had been provided
adequately between the proposed apartment complex and the single family dwellings.
The Commission further discussed the issue indicating that the plan as presented'
to the Staff the day of the meeting was a step in the right direction toward correcting
some of the problems with the site; however, the majority of the Commission also
agreed that most of the concerns had not been answered adequately by the petitioner.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Threinen supported by Commissioner Stewart that the
Planning Commission make the following recommendation to the City Council;
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That the request of Wallace Freeman for site plan approval of the 240 unit
apartment project be denied based on the fact that a suitable transition was
not made on the property as is indicatedon the General Development Plan: of {
1972.,
MOTION FAILED (1-4-0) (Chairman Kroskin, Commissioners Schneider, MOTION FAILED
Davenport and Stewart against)
MOTION TO DEFER was made by Commissioner Davenport supported by Commissioner Schneider
with respect to the "Willow Creek" project General Development Plan change.
MOTION TO DEFER CAPRIED (4-1-a0) (Commissioner Threinen against) MOTION TO DEFER CARRIED
MOTION TO DEFER was made by Commissioner Davenport supported by Commissioner Schneider
with respect to the site plan and preliminary plat review of the Willow Creek proposal..
MOTION TO DEFER CARRIED (4--1-0) (Commissioner Threinen against) MOTION TO DEFER CARRIED
REPORTS OF OFFICERS, BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS
Commissioner Threinen introduced a letter from the Tiburon Homeowner's Association
stating their concern with the fact that property owners in the development were
turning their garages into living quarters and parking their cars on the streets
causing parking problems for neighboring homeowners. The Commission referred the
complaint to Staff for action:
MINUTES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF MARCH 17, 1976
Commissioner Threinen stated that his intention with condition #5 of the P and G
Motors (A-652) item was that the setback be landscaped as green area only to a point
where it would not interfere with the drive entrance to the site.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Schneider supported by Commissioner Stewart that the
minutes of the Planning Commission meeting of March 17, 1976 be approved as corrected..
MOTION CARRIED (4-0-i) (Chairman Kroskin abstained) MOTION CARRIED
MOTION TO ADJOURN was made by Commissioner Threinen supported by Commissioner Stewart.
Chairman Kroskin adjourned the meeting at 11:50 p.m.
APPROVED BY PLANNING COMMISSION April 21 1976
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