HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 10-08-1975PLANNING C%Z1ISSION
CITY OF PLYNOU711, MINNESOTA
October 8, 1975
regular meeting of the Plymouth Planning Commission was called to order
y Acting Chairman Hagen at 7:35 p.m in the Council Chambers of the Public
Yorks Building, 14900 -23rd Avenue North
MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Kxoskin, Commissioners Erickson, Schneider, Hagen,
Davenport and Stewart
MEMBERS ABSENT: Commissioner Threinen
STAFF :PRESENT. Charles bi.11erud, Milt Dale, Randy Thoreson 4 male Marx
OTHERS PRBSENI Tom Vettel., YAAC, Representative
A.ct3.ng Chairman Hagen introduced new YAAC representative Ton Vettel to
the Commission. He and Cory Bohl will be the YAAC representatives to the
Planning; Commission for this school year,
A-413 Judith Gi lster Ar413 Conditional Use Permit
Staff presented petitioner's request for renewal of a conditional use
permit to operate a day nursery school at St. Phillip the Deacon Lutheran
Church,. It was noted that there have been no complaints about the ue from.
the neighborhood or State agencies. ,Also, inspection of the site revealed
no significant changes from the previous year. Staff recommended approval:
subject to the conditions listed in the Staff report.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Schneider supported by Commissioner Davenport
that the Planning Commission make tLe following recommendation to the Citi
Council
That the request of Judith Gilster to operate a Day Nursery School. at
St. Phillip the Deacon Lutheran Church located at 17205 County Road o
be approved subject to the ,following conditions-;
l Review of the permit be made on an annual basis,
2 Compliance with State standards.
MUrION CARRIED (4-0-1) (Commissioner Erickson abstained) MOTION CARRIED
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A-503 Welcome Community dome A-503 Conditional Use Permit
Staff presented petitioner's request for renewal of a conditional use
Permit to operate a group , ePpghomeforrr forded children in the old convent.
of St. Mary's of the Lake Church at the northwest corner of Ridgemount
Avenue North and ljorestview lane. After field checking the site, Staff
determined that no significant changes had been made from the previous year,
Staff recommended approval of the request.,
MOTION was made by Commissioner Stewart supported by Commissioner Erickson
that the PI -inning Commission make the following recommendation to the
City Council:
That the request of Welcome Community Home for renewal of a Conditional
use permit to operate a group home for retarded children at St. Mary's
of the Lake Church be approved for one year subject to the condition
that no more than 16 children be housed at the facility without further
review,
NOTION CARRIED (5-0-0) (,All in favor) MOTION CARRIED
A-575 Village Industrial Park Credit Union A-575 Conditional Use Permit
Staff presented petitioner's request for a conditional use permit to
operate a. credit- union in Vantage's Building "'D" at 24th Avenue North and
Annapolis Lane. Staff noted the parking spaces were deficient as per
Ordinance requirements but stated that this did not present a great problem
for petitioner, Staff recommended approval subject to the conditions listed
in the Staff report.
Commissioner Erickson questioned the deficient parking: situation stating
that the Lesser number, of parking spaces may suffice for the present but the
future ;parking .needs may present problems.
It was suggested that the Commission may wish to review this conditional
use permit in a shorter period of time than the five years as suggested
by the term of the lease.
The Commission discussed the parking situation in terms of the entire
development, ie. all four Vantage buildings. It was stated that if
there are too many office uses, parking will be a constant problem because
the parking available was based on combined office/warehouse use, not just
the office use that requires a higher parking ratio,
MOTION -was made by Commi.ssione-, Davenport supported by Commissioner Stewart
that the Planning Commission make the following recommendation to the City
Council
pLANNINC CO i7S ION MEETING MINUTES -< October 8, 1975
That the request of Village Industrial Park Credit Union for a
conditional use permit to operate a credit union in "vantage Building "D"
be granted subject to the following conditions
1. Conditional use permit be reviewed after a period of two
years, i.e. to review the parking needs for the use.
2. No signs placed on any sign standards other than those
approved as per the site plan dated August 5, 15', 4I
MOTION CARRIED (5-0-0) (M1 in favor) MOTION CARRIED
A-575Darke:iwal Real Estate A=575 Conditional Use Permit
Staff preseitted petitioner's request to operate a real estate office in
Vantage Building "D" at 24th Avenue North and Annapolis Lane. Staff
pointed out that the harking,for this u,, -,e was, as with the previous item,
Village Industrial Parc Credit Union, dea"i.cient as per the Zoning Ordinance
but indicated that this would not be a problem for the petitioner.
Acting Chairman Hagen questioned how this particular use fit into the list
of those permitted as per the Zoning Ordinance. It was pointed out that
the sale of real estate involved would be commercial and industrial real
estate,
Commissioner Stewart stated that he did not see what type of service this
firm could proviCl) in conjunction with the immediate industrial area..
Tile Commission e -i cussed the issue of suitability in this development of
s!ach a use;
As to parking for this proposed nse, the same problem exists as it dif for
the Village Industrial 'Park Credit Union. The Commission r'itz rsted
similar cements with respect to parking availabil ty and th'o potential
problems that could result in the future with expanded business
MOTION was male by Commissioner Steuart supported by Commissionor Erickson
that the Planning Commission make the following recommendation to the CityCouncil.
That the request of Darkenwaid Real. Estate to operate a real estate
office in Vantage Building ''p" .at 24th .Avenue North and. Annapolis
Lave be denied based upon the fact that Section 15, Subdivision #3
does not provide for such a use in the I-1 district by definition..
IMOTION CAIWED (5-0-0) (All in favor) MOTION CARRIED
P"'MMTNG =R4IS$lCJX METING MINOTES -4- October 8, 1975
A-45,3 Hicks Bros Furniture A-4S3 Conditional Use Pernajt
St ff presented petitioner's request to locate a retail furniture outlet
within the Wheel Center Building Staff pointed out o the Commission
that this use was not among those listed as "permitted by conditional
use" in the Zoning Ordinance This gave the Commission the choice of
amending the Ordinance to permit: such a use or denying the. request,
Commissioner Hag:-,n pointed out that the new proposed Zoning Ordinance would
allow such a use iiy a conditonal use permit in a B-3 Service Business
District; however, it was also acknowledged that the new Zoning Ordinance
would not be in effect for quite some time and the Commission could not
grant the request based upon the proposed Zoning Ordinance
Representative., of the Hicks ,Bros. Furniture franchise and Wheel Center
Properties were present and eVlained the business to the Commission, They
questioned the difference betw-een some of the uses allowed in the B-3
District and th¢ use they were proposing, i.e. the furniture stoxe. Staff
axplained the dLfferentiation to petitioners bQtween the Service Business
District and th Shopping Center District where such use is permitted.
MOTION' was made by Commissioner Hagen supported by Chairman Kroskin that
the planning Commission set a hearing date for amendment to the Zoning
Ordinance to allow for retail sales of furniture in a B-3 Service Business
District by conditional use permits
MOTION FAILED" (3-3-0) (Commissioners Schneider, Davenport anCStewart
voted against
MOTION FAILED
Staff indicated to the Commissioners that parking would be a problem
for such a use. By Ordinance requirements, such a retail use would require
three Limes the parking available in the Wheel Center parking lot at present.
This has been a constant problem with the retail type conditional uses
allowed in the B-3 Zoning District.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Davenport supported. by Commissioner Erickson;
that the Planning Commission matte the following recommendation to the CityCouncil:
That the request of kicks Bros, Furniture for a Conditional 'Vse Permit
to operate a furniture store in a B-3 district be denied based
on. the fact that it does not fit within the definition of a valid
conditional use as stated in the Zoning Ordinance Section 13, Subdivision 3,
MOTION CARRIED (4-2-0) (Chairman Kroskin and Commissioner Hagen
voted against)
MOTION CARRIED
PLA-UNING CC 11$SIONt MEETING WNUTBS -5.. October 8, 1975
Chairman Kxoskin declared a 5 Minute recess at $;50 p.m.
The tweeting was called hack to order at 8;35 p.m.
A-lS5 Little'Peninsul.a A-186 Site Plan and
Conditional Use Permit
Staff directed the Commission's attention to the Staff report. of October 2, 197$ and to the addendum to the Staff report dated October 80 1975.
Chairman Kroskin questioned petitioner as to what the major concerns had
been of the jurisdictional agencies with respect to the project. JohnSanpr, of Brauer and Associates, authors .f the environmental assessment on
the project, stated that the main concern of the Bassett Creek Flood
Control Commission was flood water storage, while the major concern of the
Environmental Quality Council was that certain areas of the land not be
dredged and filled because of the potential danger to the wildlife habitat
areas. The two agencies have agreed upon the site plan as submitted as
one that meets essentially both concerns.
Commissioner Erickson asked what the change from 224 units to 245 units
would have .on the parking situation for the development. John Sanger
stated that in terms of parking and units, the goal was to Teach 24S
units for this ,phase of the project. This was the approved number of units
allowed by the fQC and Bassett Creek Flood Control. Commission. However,
petitioner has no plan for Teauesting a variance for these packings
spaces. If parking is only available for "XXl number of units then onlynumberofunitswillbebuilt. Mx. Sanger emphasized the fact that the
development will stay, within all the restri=ctions of all the jurisdictional
agencies involved with the project.
Staff pointed out that the site is of such a unique character and as such
is under such strict confinements that it would be extremely difficult for
the development to aver -step the "bounds" of any of the jurisdictional
agencies, including thy; City of Plymouth.
Commissioner Davenport asked if there would be any public access for boat
launching. Petitioner stated that there would not. Commissioner Davenport
further questioned petitioner as to the location of the moorings,. Petitioner
responded that there would only be one location for all the moorings.
Commissioner Erickson suggested that the moorings be proportioned on the
basis of the amount of the total development completed in oach phase,
Chairman Kroskin asked petitioner to explain the traffic reference in the
Environmental Assessment of the project. John Sanger stated that the Highway
Departments of the State and. County i icated to him that when the need did
arise, they would upgrade the roads.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEET1NG. MINUTES -6- October 8, 1975
MOTION was made by Commissioner Davenport supported by Commissioner
Schneider that the Planning Commission make the following recommendation
to the City Council;
That the request of Daniel Ralicki and Associates for site plan approval
and a conditional use perm4t for the Little Peninsula project be
granted subject to the following conditions
1. Changes in the site plan as per Fire Chief recommendations,
i.e. the addition of five fire hydrants and fire lanes.
2. Recommendation of the City Engineer with respect to drainage
and utility easements., DNR and Bassett Creek Flood Control
Commission standards to be complied with as per their
recommendations.
3. Petitioner pay to the Cityts Park Dedication Fund an
amount equal to $150 per unit for Phase 1 construction.
4,. All improvements must Imply with the Community Unit Project
provisions of the Zoning Ordinance, i.e. the project must
be served by public sewer and water and private roadways to
be installed. to City specifications for public roadways.
0 5> Additional parking spaces be provided both underground and
on the surface as per the City Zoning Ordinance.
6. No more than 245 units be allowed in Phase 1. These units
shall be accommodated within the building lines as per the
submitted site plan.,
7. V ri.ances be allowed for front yard building setback and
front yard parking setback due to the unique physical charac-
teristics of the site, specifically the existence of a railroad
right-of-way immediately adjoining the front yard.
8y That the site plan be forever limited to not more than. one
access point to Medicine Lake. Such singular access );,)int
shall contain a maximum of 2S mooring spaces for non -motorized
water craft only. The mooring spaces shall be allotted
between Phases 1 and 11 on a proportionate basis with those
allocated to Phase 11 to be allocated only after construction
of Phase 11 is assured.
MOTION TO AMEND was made by Commissioner Erickson supported by Commissioner
Davenport that Condition #G be changed to read as follows:
The actual number of units will be determined by the accommodation
of parking within all jurisdictional 'requirements and without any
variances except as noted i.n Condition #7.1'
MOTION TO AMEND CARRIED (6-0-0) (All in favor) MOTION TO AMEND CARRIED
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MOTION TO A ffiND was made by Commissioner Davenport supported by Commissioner
Stewart that the following be added as Condition#9'
That there be no outside storage of watercraft,"
MOTION TO AMEND CARRIED (6-0-0) (All'. in favor) MOTION TO AMEND CARRIED
MOTION TO AMEND was made by Commissioner Schneider supported by Commissioner
Erickson that the following be a&ed as Condition #10
That no boast launching by motorized vehicles be allowed on the site,"
LOTION TO fid,1END CARRIED (6-0-0) (All in favor)' MOTION TO AMEND CARRIED
Voting on the main motion a; amr-prided then took place.
MOTION CARRIED (6-0-0) (All in favor) MOTION CARRIED
Reports of.Officers, toards and Commissions
Randy Thoreson, Planning Technician, presented the Commission with a copy
of his paper: on a conservancy district in Plymouth.
Planner Dillfrud reported on Council actions taken on items previously before
the Commission
Minutes of the Planning Commission Neeting of September 17, 19r S
MOTION was made by Commissioner Stewart supported by Commissioner Schneider R
that the minutes of the September 17, 1975 meeting be approved as written.
MOTION CARRIED (S-0-1) (Commissioner Hagen abstained) MOTION CAInRIED
Chairman Kroskin adjourned the meeting at 10;50 p.m.
APPROVED BY PAWNING COINIXISSION October 22, 1975
Reg Kroskit Chairman
P1 mouth Planning mmission
Charles E. I J. 1, Secretary