HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 06-18-1975PLANNING COMMISSION
CITY OF PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA
June 18, 1975
A regular meeting of the Plymouth Planning Commission was called to order
by Chairman Kroskin at 7.30 p.m. in the Council Chambers of the Public
Forks Building, 24900 --23rd Avenue ,North.
MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Kroskin, Commissioners Schneider, Davenport,
Erickson, Hagen and. Threinen
MEMBERS ABSENT: Commissioner Stewart
AFF PRESENT: Charles E. Dillerud, Milt Dale, and Xate Marx
OTHERS PRESENT: Tom Ountley and Connie Genung, YAAC representatives
A1621 World Carpets, Inc. Rauenhorst Corp. A-621 Sine Plan Approval
Staff presented petitioner's request for site plan approval for a warehouse/
office building located at the northeast corner of Niagara Lane and 21st
Avenue North, Staff recor;mended approval subject to the six conditions
listed in the Staff repot; of June 10, 1975. Petitioner has agreed to
make the changes necessary as per the Staff report.,
Commissioner Threinen asked petitioner if any retail sales would be run
from this site Pat Dady, Rauenh.orst representative, stated that there
would be no retai sI- a es rom this operation,
Commissioner Threinen further questioned petitioner as to whether there
were any plans for the property directly to the. north of the proposed
site, that property also belonging to World Carpets. Petitioner responded
that the plans were to divide the whole parcel into two sites The prevent
site will consist of 2.4 acres while the property to the north would be
a, 'Site of 2.1 acres. -
It was pointed out that this land had been guided 1-1 before the
1968 Zoning Ordinance went into effect.
Cotunisssorer Threinen asked petitioner if the access on to 21st Avenue North
would be acceptable or if petitioner would prefer access. on to Niagara.
Petitioner responded that the .Niagara entrances would be prefered because,
t it is the main road to the site and 2) it seems better suited for
truck maneuvering.
Petitioner further- commented on the: conditio1 with respect :to the fire safety.
He stated that World Carpets will be providing more than 12 feet clear
around the building. With respect to hydrants, presently there are three
hydrants either on or near the property. Also, the building will be pro-
vided with three levels ,of sprinkler systems, and four hose racks,
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Petitioner questioned whether the Eire Chief was aware of these sprinkler
systems, hose racks and already existing hydrants when he made his recommenda-
tions about the site, Staff comtavnted that this data was not
available to them or the Eire Chief at the time of their review. It
was recommended that the representatives from World Carpets contact the
Fire Chief for a revised recommendation on the fire safety of the site,
Petitioner added that the building is designed for storage primarily so j
that if a fire would erupts it would damage property, not people, The
owner 'is satisfied with the present fire safety precautions as is the
owner's insurance cowpany.
Corknissioner Threinen requested that petitioners draw in on the
site plan as pres?nted, the lot split to be effected cn their property.
He stated that he felt the Council ought to be aware of the lot division
so they would not be acting ,under any illusion that the treed area to the
North will remain that way.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Hagen supported by Commissioner Schneider
that the. planning Commission make the following recommendation to the CityCouncil
That the request of World Carpets for Site Plan approval at the
northeast corner of Niagara Lane and 21st Avenue North be approved
subject to the following conditions:
1. No drive access to Niagara Lane
2. No setback variances for the building be allowed.
3. Recommendations of the City Engineer be made a part of this
recommendation as to utilities easements and sizing and drainage.
4. Recommendations of the l=ire Chief be made a p -,-,rt of this
recommendation.
5, Posting of a landscape and drainage bond' to the City prior
to issuance of a building permit.
5 Recommendation of the Park and Recreation ,Advisory Committee
be made a part of this recommendation, i.e. $2,250 (4.5
acres X $500).
MOTION to amend was made by Commissioner Threinen supported by Commissioner
Davenport to add the following two conditions;
7. No parking be allowed in the required setbacks.
Proposed lot division lines and access; to 21st Avenue North
be shown on the plan for information to the City Council.
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MOTIONTO AMEND CARRIED (6-0-•0) (All in favor) MOTION CARRIED
The rain motion, as amended, was then. voted upon.
140TION CARRIEG (6-0.0) (All in favor) MOTION CARRIED
518 Ryder Truck Rena , Inc. A-638 CUP to Operate
Truck Rental Business
Staff presented petitioners' request to rent straight axle trucks from
the Texaco station at the corner of Annapolis Lane and State Highway 55.
Parking of the rental vehicles would be along the existing building's
west side. Petitioner -would be parking only 2 trucks at one time on the
site, Total inventory would not exceed five trucks.
Staff recomiended approval of the request subject to the conditions as
listed in the Staff report.
Commissioner Threi;nen asked petitioner how the operation could Expand if
they would be limited to the four parking spaces on the site, Nor. Bob
Ki-ewatt, Dealer Manager for Ryder Truck Rental Inc., stated thaw
whbusiness of this sort expands, it means more trucks would be on the
road, not that more trucks would be parked on the site.
Chairman Kroskin questioned whether such truck rental could. be considered
an accessory use to a gas station, Staff stated that: in its opinion, it
was an accessory use,.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Hagen supported by Commissioner 5rickscn that
the Planning Commission make the following recommendation to the City Council:
That the request of Ryder Truck Rental, Inc.. for a CUP to operate
a truck, rental business from the Texaco Station at the NE corner
of Annapolis Lane and State Highway 55 be granted subject to the
following conditions.,
1. No parking of rental vehicles closer than 15 feet to the
property line.
2, No signs be permitted
S,. No more than 4 rental trucksbe parked on the site at one time.
4. Rental tracks only .and no rental trailers
Commissioner Erickson asked if it would be proper to limit this type of CUP
to a one year period with option for renewal'. Staff responded that
it wool d,
MOTION to amend was made by Commissioner Erickson supported by Commissioner
Schneider that the following condition be added
5 Permit be granted for one year and subject to renewal.
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MOTION TO AMEND CARRIED (6-0-0) (All In favor) MOTION CARRIED
The main motion, as amended, was then voted upon,
MOTION CARRIED (5-1-0) (Chairman Kroskin against) MOTION CARRIED
A-114 "The P ace Apartment` omp ex -1 CUP to Operate
a Montessori Day
Care School
Staff presented petitioners' request to operate a Montessori Day Care
School in the ground floor of this apartment complex by converting two
apartment units in the building's east section over to this use. A
rearrangement of walls would be accomplished to facilitate the proposed
classrooms and other use areas. The play area would be fenced and located
approximately 30 feet from the building's outside door.
Staff had carefully reviewed the request of the petitioners with 'respect to
day care centers and the past problems which seems to the "Where do the
students come from'?". The City Ordinance states that day care centers
are required to have their enrollment come from the apartment complex.. As
a result of this, Staff recommended approval subject to several conditions,
one of which was that no more than 50Z of tht users come from outside the
apartment complex
Commissioner Threinen poi};ted out that Landtech Management Corporation
had been before the Coniiission approximately one month ago with a serious
parking problem. If the Montessori Davy Care School has proposed that a
portion of their enrollment would corse from outside the apartment complex
this type of situation would only add to the present parking problem
and/or diminish all, the good affects of the expansion of the parking lot.
Commissioner Threi nen asked petitioners if there were safety islands or
cross walks in the parking lot at this time. Petitioners responded than
the children would not be crossing the parking lot, rather
the parking spaces to :be reserved for the Center would be tangent to the
sidewalk.
It was pointed out., also, that these petitioners had been before the
Planning Commission previously with a proposal for a Montessori Day
Care School to be run in the Fox Meadows Office Building #3. They never
proceeded to the City Council level with their proposal. Petitioners
stated that it was their agreement with Belmar Builders that fell through
in that situation. Also, another factor in their decision was the fact
that the State found "The Place":a more satisfactory site than Fox Meadows
for the purpose of a Montessori Day Care School'.
SOne more complication in this issue, as pointed out by Staff, was
the fact that Marshall and Bary Everson have applied for the identical
CUP, a Montessori Day Care School at "The Place'" apartment complex. Staff
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intends and has been asked to bring this issue bask to the City Council
which means that both: petitions will be on the Council agenda on the same day.
ilOTION was made by Commissioner Threinen supported by Chairman Kroskin
that the request of Cynthia Albrecht and Hridi Dorfineister for a Clip
to operate a Montessori School at "The Place" apartment complex be denied
on the basis of Section 10, Subdivision 3, Article 7 which states "Gay
Care Centers and nursery schools when operated within an apartment
complex and for the use of persons residing the-ein". (Ord.73-19 Nov.5,1973)
indicating that the proposal as presented does not meet the requirements
set forth by the Ordinance.
Commissioner Threinen pointed out that even if the CUP was approved for
a one year period, by that time the petitioners would have invested in
remodeling, etc., and the CUP would be impossible to revoke.
Staff pointed out that the area in which the day care school would
operate had been purposely built for such an activity by Landtech.
Petitioners stated further that they were not anticipating any capital
investments would be needed. The only money they would be; putting in
would. be their equipment.. Landtech would be investing the capital needed
fcr meeting the state regulations for sucn a facility on the site.
Tre motion was further discussed as to facilitating the petitioners and
the problems with Landtech's parking lot problem for the apartment complex.
The issue of traffic congestion was also discussed again; petitioners
sabmitted a traffic survey to the Commission which indicated that no real
parking or traffic problems. existed that could not be handled.
The main motion was then voted upon.
MOTION CARRIED (5-1-0) (Commissioner Hagen against) MOTION CARRIED
It was requested that the minutes reflect the following:
1) That it is the concern of the Commission that these petitioners
and the Eversons be treated equally.
2) That this use is totally inconsistent with Landtech at the time
because of the present parking problem they are experiencing
at "The Place".
624 Harwood. B. Heggen -624 Lot Division
Staff presented petitioners request to divide a 4.3 acre parcel into two
lots, Parcel "A" of 18,810 squa.: feet and Parcel "B" of 3.8 acres,
Staff commented that they had two major reservations with respect to this
division as proposed by petitioner:
1. For all practical purposes, there is no 'public street frontage
provided. The pi esent easement is for snow plowing purposes.
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2. Any development of this property should take into account future
possible- subdivisions of Parcel "6" into smaller lots, and allow
feasible routing with possible connection to Quaker lane to the
east or a connection with Pilgrim Lane to the South.
As per the Staff proposed lot division, an adjustment of the property line
could be effected to provide enough land in the area to create two legal
Wilding lots and a legally sized cul-de-sac in the corner of the lot..
This would leave the. option open to bring a street in for connection with
thepotential additional building lots. It would be preferred to grant:
variances in terms of setbacks and houses size than to have a completely
illogical street arrangement.
MOTION was 'made 'by Commissioner Threinen supported by Commissioner Hagen
that the request of Harwood B. Neggen be deferred until the following
questions could be answered;
1 What would be the status of the easement as per the City Attorney.
2. That would the City Engineer recommend to be the alignment necessary
to provide a cul-de-sac by Parceel "B" in order to clear it's south
boundary; and what amount of land would it leave to the South.,
It was stated that this action was being taken in an attempt to arrive at a
solution more along the lines of what petitioner had in mind.
MOTION CARRIED (6-0-0) (All in favor) MOTION CARRIED
Proposed Change in. hand Use Guide Plan
As a result of the }public Hearing on the proposed change in the Land Use
Guide Flan for Medicine Lake (Sections 1.4, 15, 221, and 23) which was held
Mcnday, June 9, 1975 the City Councilrequested the Planning Commission
to formulate a recommendation to be forwarded to the Council at its next
meeting with respect to the; proposed Land Use Guide Plan change as presented
at the Hearing. Council further requested that the Planning Commission
make specific recommendationswith respect to the following issues;
1. The proposed access from 35th Avenue North
2. The timing of the County Road g "park Access" road.
It was stated by Planner Dillerud that as a result of whatever action may
be forthcoming, the City would be in a position to tell Hennepin County
that it would or would not, or would with conditions approve their proposal
for a Regional park at that location.
The Commission asked Mr. Otto Christensen, representing the Hennepin
County mark Reserve District, when the decision would be made by the
County to purchase; or not to purchase the land for the park development.
Mr. Christensen stated that the, next meeting would be held on July 3 at which
time a decision would probably be made .dependir; upon the decisions of
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Of the Plymouth Planning Commission and City Council actions with respect
to the change in the Land Use Guide Plan,
Commissioner Threinen asked Peter Pflaum, President of Lungren Brothers
Construction, Inc. a partner in the Mission Partnership, if the Mission
Partnership's plans for the land now proposed for the park had changed
since the Commission had last seen them. it Pflaum responded that the
plans had not changed. They were waiting for word from Hennepin County
as to whether the County would be purchasing the land or not. If Hennepin
County did not purchase the land, Mission Partnership would proceed with
the -'r original plans; He further stated that they had been waiting
for this decision for nine months now,
Chairman Kroskin brought up the ques°t-on of the County Road 9 park
access road. He stated that, when asked about the timixag of the road at
the Public Hearing, Mr.. Cliff French, Superintendent of the Hennepin
County Park Reserve District, stated that the completion of the park access
road from County Road 9 would be difficult to determine. There could be
no guarantee from the County as to timing on the construction of that road.
Mr. Christensen further, explained the situation the County Park Reserve
is in with the County Public Works Department. The Park District has
worked out an agreement with the County Public Works people for construction
of a park access road., In these cases, the Park. District will put up
orae-hal`f of the dollars and the Public Works department will put up
the other one-half to up -grade the road. When all the money is accounted
for the.: Public Works people will put the road on its schedule. In the
case of Elm Creek Park Reserve; the park had been open for one or one: and
one-half years before the park access road was opened to the public. if
Plymouth would require the dark access road to be completed .before the
opening of the pay %,, it woul' be a new condition_ the Park Reserve District
would have to work out with the Public Works Department of the County.
Cornnissioner Schneider noted that the proposed Land for the park does
not *Include the land over which the County Road 9 and park access roads
would be constructed_. Mr. Christensen stated that it would not matter
If the Park Retserve District did; not own the property over which the roads
would be constructed. The roads would be constructed as a County project
anyway.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Hagen supportedby Commissioner Threinen
that the Planning Commission recommend tete modification of the adopted
Land Use Guide Plan dated July 2 1973 within the boundaries of the proposed
Hennepin County Regiora] Park at such time and to such extent as the Hennepin
Covnty Park Reserve District becomes the fee owner of parcels within
the proposed boundaries.
MOTION was made by Commissioner, Hagen supported by Commissioner Erickson that
the motion be tabled.
MOTION CARRIED (6-0-0) All in favor) MOTION CARRIED
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MOTION was made by CommIssioner:Davenport supported by Commissioner Threinen ;
that the Planning Comnissiofx reaffirm, as a matter of public policy,
the concept of the estabiishment'of a County Regional Park at Medicine Lake.
MOTION to amend was made by 'Commissioner Threinen supported. by Commissioner
Hagen that the Planning Commission further recommend to the Council that
they give the Hennepin County Park Reserve District permission for the
acquisition fn order to implement the Goal E, Human Development of the
Coals, Objectives and Criteria, and all the objectives and criter°iaatherein.
LOTION CARRIED (6-0-0) (All in favor) MOTION CARRIED
The main motion as amended was then voted upon,
MOTION CARRIED (6-0-0) (All: in favor) MOTION CARRIED.
Chairi2tan Kroski i declared a 5 minute recess at 9:30 p.m.
The meeting was called back to order by Chairman Kroskin at 9:35 p.m.
MOTION was mcWe by Commissioner Hagen supported by Commissioner Threinen
to take from the table the motion approving the modification of the Land
Use Guide Plan
Commissioner Erickson questioned whether this motion would be sufficient
if the situation would arise wherein the County would decide not to purchase
a small piece of land that the City had already reguided, as they had
originally intended,
Commissioner Hagen responded that the intention of the motion was to reguide
the land as It was purchased which would take care of this type of situation.
Voting on the main motion followed,
MOTION CARRIED (6-0-0) (All in favor) MOTION CARRIED
MOTION was made by Compossiover Threinen supported by Commissioner Hagen
that County Road 9 be designated by means of sign, through Larch Lane
as primary access to the part'; and that its construction be made a first
priority item to park acquisition and development; and further that 36th
Avenue North be an unsigned secondary part: access only.
MOTION CARRIED (6-0-0) (All in favor) MOTION CARRIED
Reports of Officers, Boards and Corivitl;ees
Planner Dillerud reported to'thO Canmi„kion that he had spoken with Mayor
Hilde about scheduling a joint meeting of the Planning Commission and
the City Council., The meeting will be set for sometime in July,
The City Council has one more meeting remaining on the Proposed New Zoning
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Ordinance. No date has been established for that meeting.
Council: actions on the previous Planning Commission items were reported, to;
he Commissioners.,
Minutes of the June 4, 1975 Planning Commission Meeting
MOTION was Made by Comissioner Hagen supported by Commissioner. Threinen
that the minutes of the June 4, 1975 Planning Commission meeting be approved
as written.
MOTION CARRIED (6-0-0) (All in favor) MOTION CARRIED
MOTION was made by Commissioner Theeinen supported by Commissioner Erickson
that the meeting be adjourned.
MOTIONCARRIED (6-0-0) (All in favor) MOTION CARRIED
The meeting was adjourned by Chairman' Kroskin at 10;00 p.m.
APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION July 2, 1975
Reg 'Kroskin, Chairman
Plymouth Planning Commission
Charles E. Di ll erud, Secretary