HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 05-21-1975PLANNING COMMISSION
CITY OF PLYMOUTH MINNESOTA
May 21, 1975
A rego`ar-meeting of the Plymouth Planning Commission was called to order
by Acting Chairman Hagen at 7;30 p.m. in the Council Chambers of the Public
Works Building, 14900 -23rd Avenue North.
MEMBERS PRESENT:: Acting Chairman Hagen, Commissioners Erickson, Davenport,
Schneider and Threnen.
MEMBERS ABSENT: Chairman Kroskin, Commissioner Stewart.
STAFF PRESENT= Charles Dillerud, Kate Marx and John Meyer, Planning
Intern.
OTHERS PRESENT: Connie Genung, YAAC Representative
A-379 Dreyfus Interstate Development Corporation A-379 CUP for Temporary
Sales Office
Staff presented petitioner's request for a.Condi`tional Use Permit to operate
a sales office out of a garage at Lot 2, Bl,)ck c of "Amber Woods". Petitioner
was before the Commission and Council in June o,f 1973 for a similar request
which was approved. This request differs -only h:' location of the sales
office.
Commissioner Erickson questioned the points of access to the. "Amber Woods"
office; Staff responded that the only access was from 31st Avenue North.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Davenport supported by Commissioner Schneider
that the Planning Commission..make the following recommendation to the City
Council
That the request of Dreyfus Interstate Development Corporation for a
sales offices in the garage of its model home located on
Lot 2, Block 2 "Amber Woods" be approved subject to the following condi-
ti *?ns
1. The office use will terminate at such, time the model home
is sold or the subdivision is 85% sola, i.e.: 122 of 143 lots,
2.. The sales office CUP at 18510 -32nd Avenue North be termi-
nated at such time a CUP is Granted for Lot: 2, Block 2 of
Amber Woods".
3. No parking along County Road 24 be allowed, and that petitioners
be required to post "No Parking" signs along County Road 24
at their expense
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4. No signs other than those presently in use at 1851.0 -32nd
Avenue North be allowed.
POTION CARRIED (5-0-0) (All in favor) MOTION CARRIED'
A-6Thoriipson dumber Comps -617 Site Plan for Building
Relocation and Build;-
j_ Addition
Staff ii;formed the Commissioners that petitioner had called and indicated
he would not be able to attend this meeting.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Threinen supported by Commissioner Erick-
son that the item be deferred until such time petitioner will be present
to represent his request.
MOTION CARRIED (5--0-0) (All fii favor) MOTION CARRIED
A-114 Landtech Management orp. A4 Revised Site Plan
Amendment for "The
Place" Apartments
Staff presented petitioner's request for an amended site plan involving
the addition of 27 parking spaces for "The Place" Apartment complex. The
reason for this request was the parking problems encountered during thewintermonths. it was found that the parking problems resulted from the
snow build up from plowing. Tenants began parking in the fire lanes and
No Parking" zones which resulted in the ticketing 1 noftheirvehiclesand
many complaints to the managers of the apartments. T e site d eg! does at
present meet parking requirements set forth in the City's Zoning Ordinance..
A site plan for 51 additional parking spaces was previously submitted to the
Commission for their May 7, 1975 meeting. Landtech withdrew at that time
and has now revised the site plan to indicate the 27 spaces.
Commissioner Threinen asked petitioner how many units were presently in
the complex. Petitioner Tom LaSalle, representing Landtech Management,
stated there were 196 units in "The Place". Commissioner Threinen further
asked what the average number of cars was per unit owned by the tenants and
where they park when the parking lot is full. Petitioner responded that the
arerage was between two and three per unit. When the parking lot is full
the tenants and their guests end up parking on Lancaster Lane or in the
fire lanes,
Mr. LaSalle stated that the reason the number of additional units was dropped
from 51. to 27 was basically a factor of the cost involved; For the original
51 spaces the grading Would have been a major task both financially and mechani-
cally, There is no overflow area for parking because there is really no
flat area on the site.,
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The site plan for 51 spaces would have el-iminated most of the green 'space
for the apartment complex. Even now that the winter months are past, this
very problem still exists on weekends when the tenants have guests,
Acting Charman lfiagen asked how many stalls were currently available to the
tenants. Mr. LaSalle responded that the average was approximately 14z for
each unit.
Commissioner-Schneider stated that ,judging from the problem as described
by the petitioner, the 27 parking spaces: do not really sound sufficient.
Commissioner Threinen asked if the problem could be partially caused by the
other apartments in the area. Mr. LaSalle stated that this was not so. Land-
tech manages the other apartments in the area also, and the others seem to have
no parking problems.
Acting Chairman Hagen pointed out that petitioner was not obligated to put
in these extra spaces. The present parking lot is already up to City Code.
Mr. LaSalle asked if arrangements could be made during the construction
time to allow parking in a fire lane or on Lancaster Lane,
Commissioner Erickson asked if the fire lanes were established. after the
project was constructed or before. Petitioner responded that they were
exi'stng be'Fore the project was constructed as per the Site Plan.
Commissioner Threinen asked if there were any extra speces existing in the
other adjacent apartment complex parking lots.. Petitio..ner re,.ponded that
there were extra spaces, however, trying to getthetenants of "The Place"
to park there is somewhat difficult. It is quite e long walk from the
closest adjacent apartment complex parking lot to their apartments
MOTION was made by Commissioner Threinen supported by Conr.ii>sioner Erick-
son that the Planning Commission make the following recommendation to the
City Council,
That the request of L,andtech Management Corporation for a site plan
amendment be approved subject to the following conditions:
1 No additional signs.
2 A posting of a landscape and drainage bond to the City prior
to site plan improvements.
3. During the proces5 of expanding the parking lot that t:porary
parking be allowed on Lancaster Lane,
MOTION CARRIED (5-0-0) (All in favor) MOTION CARRIED
A-612 x4illiam C. Sielaff A-612 CUP for Home Occupation
for Taxidermy
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Staff presented< petitioner`s request: for a Conditional Use Permit to do
taxidermy .of game birds in his. home on a part—time basis. Petitioner does
not inted on performing taxidermy on other ,animals such as fish or larger
animals. Four neighbors were contacted by Staff; none of them objected
to petitioner's prospective home occupation. Staff suggested that a fourth
condition be added to the ones already in the Stiff report, that is, that
this conditional use permit be on a one year basis to be renewed annually.
MOTION was trade by Commissioner Erickson supported by Commissioner Schneider
thF,i. the Planning Commission make the following recommendation to the
City Council::
That the request of William G Sieloff to do taxidermy of game birds
in his home at 17225 -12th Avenue North be approved subject to the
following conditions:
1. Flo signs be allowed.
2 No -wployees other than petitioner,
3.. No outside storage of waste grid/or materials incidental to
his operation.
4. That this CUP be for a ane year term, renewable ` annue.1'1y,
MOTION CARRIED (5.0-01 (All in favor) MOTION CARRIED
It was requested that the minutes of the meeting reflect that this Conditional
Use Permit was conditioned upon taxidermy of game birds. only.
A-377 Plymouth f=reeway Center A-377' Final Plat
Staff reported that the City Council approved the site plan and preliminary
plat as the Commission had seen it at their last meeting. City Engineer
Sherman Goldberg has recommended easements for the plat. -Staff 'recornnended
approval subject to the conditions of the City Engineer's specifications
as to easements
MOTION was made by Commissioner Schneider supported by Commissioner Erick-
son that the Planning Comissiotx recommend to the City Council approval
of the Final Plat of Plymouth Freeway Center subject to the Cit; engineer's
recommendations relating to the. utility and drainage easements.
Staff stated that: before the Chairman signsthe final plai a letter should
e be in hand from the City Engineer stating ghat he had reviewed the easement
situation.
MOTION CARRIED (5-0-0) (All ¢ .or; MOTION CARRIED
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338Lundgren Bros. Construction Co, -538 Final Flat of
Mission Ridjee
Staff presented petitioner's request for, Final Plat of Mission Ridge. The
Final Plat was basically the same as the Preliminary Plat passed by theCoMm- ssi on. The changes were as C=ol l ow
1. Changes in the access to the major park. Ti.ere is now a single
access proposed.,
2. 1odition of a s z -,able utlot shown as Outlot B. This is being
done for reasons of a financial nature. Outlot B amoints to the
Mission Trails pro, pct. This outlot will be unbuildable until it
is replatted'.
3. 71:e lot and block numbering system has: been changed. The number
of lots remaisls the same; however, there are now 5 blocks instead
of the original 5.
Related to this, Staff pointed out that the vacation of Fast Medicine Lake
Road has now been petitioned and; will be heard. In the development contract
being drawn up by Sherm Goldberg, City Engineer, the City is requesting
Neceipt of a termed easement back that is termed to the opening of Zachary
Lane.
Commissioner Schneider stated that it was his feeling the outlot should be
labeled as unbuil:dable, until the street is through or until Mission Trails
is platted. Planner piilerud stated that this would be a condition in the
development contract.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Davenport supported by Commissioner Erick-
son that the Final Plat of Mission Ridge be approved as submitted;
MOTION CARRIED (5-0--0) (All in favor) MOTION CARRIED
REPORTS FO OFFICERS, BOARDS AND COMMITTEES
The status of the review of the new proposed zoning ordinance was repor4ed'
to the Commission. The nest meeting would be June 3; 1975. Up to this paint
the Council has dealt with philosophical issues Copies of the minutes of
the Council meetings where the proposed new zoning ordinance was. discussed
will be available to the Commission in the coming agenda packets,
eMINUTES OF THE MAY 7, 1975 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
Commissioner Erickson asked' that the word' "subdivision" in the last para-
graph on page 10 with respect to the Lundgren Bros. RPUD be changed to read
r ,.
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subdivision 'unit project"I.,
MOTION was made by Commissioner Threinen supported by Commissioner Erickson
that the Minutes of the Kay 7, 1975 Planning Commission Meeting be approved
as amended.
MOTION. CARRIED (5-0µ0) (All in favors MOTION CARRIED X98
Thorpe Devi opri nt an Securities Corp. A-498 Change in Concept Plan
for Proposed RPUp
Planner .
Dillerud explained that the Thorpe company had come to the Ciuy offices
with some: changes for the concept plan as presented to the Commission at
their May 7, 1975 meeting. Th, changes were responsive to some of the complaints
of the homeowners in the area. Thorpe was told that before they would
go to the City Council with a plan other than the one the Commissioners had
seen, the Commissioners ought to see the changes. It
was stated that there had been another meeting held with the neighbor- hood.
Planner Dillerud explained that some of the objections the home- owners
made were as fallow:, 1-.
Location of the tennis courts. 2.
Setback situation involving: the furthest north quadriminium. Lot
2, which is rather marshy. 4.
The status of the street running through the project; should: or
shouldn't it connect with Evergreen Lane. The
project was redesigned to address these four problems voiced both by the
homeowners and the Commission at their last meeting. The setback was adjusted
on the North line of the project by relocating the northern most quadriminium
unit. The tennis courts were movedto a location adjoining the street
where there is less of a grade problem involved. This area will be disturbed
anyway as a result of construction Added was a, paddle tennis court.
The lot that was marshy was taken and combined with Lot _ of the same street
to form gone building lot in an effort to maintain the pend. Two cul-
de-sacs were created instead of the through street to D'vergreenLane The
major change of concern to the Commission is that of density. The Commission
action of May 7 1975 indicated a removal of the northern most quadriminium
unit for the purposes of reduction in density as well as making the
setback from the property owners l'argw1r. As the plan has been resubmitted, the
density remains t same. Only the setback problem was actually addressed. Several
Commissioners expressed the feeling that the new plan for the removal of
the northern Most quadrimi.nium unit did Pot deal with the density problem.
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It was their inte0t with the motion of May 7, 1975 to include the lowering
of the density, not ,merely the change in the setback situation.
Acting: Chairman Hagen stated that it .appeared as though the units were now
closer together than as previously submitted. Mike Sempsch, representing; Thorpe Development and Securities, stated in response to the observation
that the amount of space between the units remained the same as before.
Mr. Sempsch stated that after the last Planning Commission meeting the
Thorpe people decided that some of the problems as stated by the homeowners
and the Conmii.ssion could be dealt- with. This was in response to thLse few
problems. A statement was signed by Thorpe and some of the homeowners in
the area to the eifect that these changes would be initiated and. are acceptable
to the homeowners,
Acting. Chairman Hagen asked if the conditions included the placement of the
quadriminium farthest north to a different location. Mr. Sempsch responded
that this was listed in the statement signed by the homeowners and Thorpe.
Commissioner Threinen expressed further, concern with the homeowners` associa-
tion controlling the boat ships He stated that he felt the homeowners`
association would not really be able to control such a situation from gettingoutofhand,
Mr. John Mullen,: a local homeowner, stated his approval of the newlan•yhowever, his major? concern now rested with control of the boat slips by thehomeowners:' association. He stated that he felt the means of control was
simply not realistic
Mrs. Edward Sell, a local homeowner, asked what would happen during construe -
do t e rotes were damaged, as 28th Avenue North was already in bad condi-
tion from the winter and is still in need of repair. Staff assured Mrsa
Sell that the Development Contract ioul d be conditioned upon the developers
being responsible for repairing any daiage to the streets resulting from
construction.
firs. Catherine Davidson, a local homeowner, stated that she personally was
very pease_ with the new plan but hoped the cul--de-sac, would be allowed
instead of the through streets. The cul-de-sacs created less problems for
the neighborhood in her opinion.
Planner Diller.id stated to the Commission that any action to be reconsidered
on the Th,irpe development should be taken before this item goes before the
City. Council..
Con-nissioner Thre.inen asked for a polling of the Commission as to how the
new. Thorpe plan met the concerns listed in the motion of May 7, 1975
with respect to this issue,
The Commission decided as follows;
1 Condition #1 of the motion .of May 7, 1975 "That Lot 2, Block 1
be dropped and that the lots be subdivided in such a manner as
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to open the pond and prevent building over it."had been ret.
2' Condition #2` of the motion of May 7, 1975 "Elimination of the
northern most Quadriminiu-j unit to reduce density from 56 to 52
units."" had; been partially met as this condition was also
intended to enlarge the setback from the northern propertyowners.: The setback situation was clearly addressed. The
density, however, remains at 56 quadriminiums rather than the 52
the Connission preferred,
3 Condition #3 of the Matior of May 7, 1975 "That attention be directed
to acquisition of the north strip known as the Bolduc property
as there still remains a problem of access along 26th Avenue
North and a problem of building on such a piece of land." had notbeenmet.
4. Condition #4 of the motion of May 7, 1975 which was dropped from
the original' motion as amended, "Cul-de-sacs be created on Ever-
green Lane for Lots 1 2, and 3 of Block 3 and Lots 3 and 4 of
Block 4 feeding north to 28th AvenueNorth-11 was now considered
by the Commission to be a preferred situation to the through street
as originally proposed.
5, Condition #5 of the motion of May 7, 1975 "That the homeowners'
association control the amenitie;. of the site, i.e. tennis courts
and boat slips by contract.'" was still a matter of concern
to the Commission as the situation of control being exercised bytheassociationcouldbequiteunrealisticandbecomearather
controversial problem for all involved,
6, Condition #6 of the motion of May 7, 1975 "That the drivewayof
the Rippe homestead be redirected to open only on to 27th AvenueNorth." was met by the petitioners. The Rippes had no reservatigns
about accenting this condition.
It was asked: that it be noted in the minutes that these changes be directed.
to the attention of the City Council upon their consideration of the ConceptPlanoftheRippeProperty.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Threinen supported by Commissioner Schneiderthatthemeetingbeadjovned
MOTION CARRIED (5-0-0) (Ali in favor) MOTION CARRIED
The meetinq adjourned at 9:35 p.m.
APPROVED BY PL,AWNG COMMISSION _ June 4,, 1975
Reg Kroskin, Chairman
P1 no'.thrPl anni ommi ssi on _
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