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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 05-21-1975PLANNING COMMISSION CITY OF PLYMOUTH MINNESOTA May 21, 1975 A rego`ar-meeting of the Plymouth Planning Commission was called to order by Acting Chairman Hagen at 7;30 p.m. in the Council Chambers of the Public Works Building, 14900 -23rd Avenue North. MEMBERS PRESENT:: Acting Chairman Hagen, Commissioners Erickson, Davenport, Schneider and Threnen. MEMBERS ABSENT: Chairman Kroskin, Commissioner Stewart. STAFF PRESENT= Charles Dillerud, Kate Marx and John Meyer, Planning Intern. OTHERS PRESENT: Connie Genung, YAAC Representative A-379 Dreyfus Interstate Development Corporation A-379 CUP for Temporary Sales Office Staff presented petitioner's request for a.Condi`tional Use Permit to operate a sales office out of a garage at Lot 2, Bl,)ck c of "Amber Woods". Petitioner was before the Commission and Council in June o,f 1973 for a similar request which was approved. This request differs -only h:' location of the sales office. Commissioner Erickson questioned the points of access to the. "Amber Woods" office; Staff responded that the only access was from 31st Avenue North. MOTION was made by Commissioner Davenport supported by Commissioner Schneider that the Planning Commission..make the following recommendation to the City Council That the request of Dreyfus Interstate Development Corporation for a sales offices in the garage of its model home located on Lot 2, Block 2 "Amber Woods" be approved subject to the following condi- ti *?ns 1. The office use will terminate at such, time the model home is sold or the subdivision is 85% sola, i.e.: 122 of 143 lots, 2.. The sales office CUP at 18510 -32nd Avenue North be termi- nated at such time a CUP is Granted for Lot: 2, Block 2 of Amber Woods". 3. No parking along County Road 24 be allowed, and that petitioners be required to post "No Parking" signs along County Road 24 at their expense PLANNINS COMMISSION ,tcETING MINUTES -2- May 21, 1575 4. No signs other than those presently in use at 1851.0 -32nd Avenue North be allowed. POTION CARRIED (5-0-0) (All in favor) MOTION CARRIED' A-6Thoriipson dumber Comps -617 Site Plan for Building Relocation and Build;- j_ Addition Staff ii;formed the Commissioners that petitioner had called and indicated he would not be able to attend this meeting. MOTION was made by Commissioner Threinen supported by Commissioner Erick- son that the item be deferred until such time petitioner will be present to represent his request. MOTION CARRIED (5--0-0) (All fii favor) MOTION CARRIED A-114 Landtech Management orp. A4 Revised Site Plan Amendment for "The Place" Apartments Staff presented petitioner's request for an amended site plan involving the addition of 27 parking spaces for "The Place" Apartment complex. The reason for this request was the parking problems encountered during thewintermonths. it was found that the parking problems resulted from the snow build up from plowing. Tenants began parking in the fire lanes and No Parking" zones which resulted in the ticketing 1 noftheirvehiclesand many complaints to the managers of the apartments. T e site d eg! does at present meet parking requirements set forth in the City's Zoning Ordinance.. A site plan for 51 additional parking spaces was previously submitted to the Commission for their May 7, 1975 meeting. Landtech withdrew at that time and has now revised the site plan to indicate the 27 spaces. Commissioner Threinen asked petitioner how many units were presently in the complex. Petitioner Tom LaSalle, representing Landtech Management, stated there were 196 units in "The Place". Commissioner Threinen further asked what the average number of cars was per unit owned by the tenants and where they park when the parking lot is full. Petitioner responded that the arerage was between two and three per unit. When the parking lot is full the tenants and their guests end up parking on Lancaster Lane or in the fire lanes, Mr. LaSalle stated that the reason the number of additional units was dropped from 51. to 27 was basically a factor of the cost involved; For the original 51 spaces the grading Would have been a major task both financially and mechani- cally, There is no overflow area for parking because there is really no flat area on the site., PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES -3- May 21, 1975 The site plan for 51 spaces would have el-iminated most of the green 'space for the apartment complex. Even now that the winter months are past, this very problem still exists on weekends when the tenants have guests, Acting Charman lfiagen asked how many stalls were currently available to the tenants. Mr. LaSalle responded that the average was approximately 14z for each unit. Commissioner-Schneider stated that ,judging from the problem as described by the petitioner, the 27 parking spaces: do not really sound sufficient. Commissioner Threinen asked if the problem could be partially caused by the other apartments in the area. Mr. LaSalle stated that this was not so. Land- tech manages the other apartments in the area also, and the others seem to have no parking problems. Acting Chairman Hagen pointed out that petitioner was not obligated to put in these extra spaces. The present parking lot is already up to City Code. Mr. LaSalle asked if arrangements could be made during the construction time to allow parking in a fire lane or on Lancaster Lane, Commissioner Erickson asked if the fire lanes were established. after the project was constructed or before. Petitioner responded that they were exi'stng be'Fore the project was constructed as per the Site Plan. Commissioner Threinen asked if there were any extra speces existing in the other adjacent apartment complex parking lots.. Petitio..ner re,.ponded that there were extra spaces, however, trying to getthetenants of "The Place" to park there is somewhat difficult. It is quite e long walk from the closest adjacent apartment complex parking lot to their apartments MOTION was made by Commissioner Threinen supported by Conr.ii>sioner Erick- son that the Planning Commission make the following recommendation to the City Council, That the request of L,andtech Management Corporation for a site plan amendment be approved subject to the following conditions: 1 No additional signs. 2 A posting of a landscape and drainage bond to the City prior to site plan improvements. 3. During the proces5 of expanding the parking lot that t:porary parking be allowed on Lancaster Lane, MOTION CARRIED (5-0-0) (All in favor) MOTION CARRIED A-612 x4illiam C. Sielaff A-612 CUP for Home Occupation for Taxidermy PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES -' May 21, 1975 Staff presented< petitioner`s request: for a Conditional Use Permit to do taxidermy .of game birds in his. home on a part—time basis. Petitioner does not inted on performing taxidermy on other ,animals such as fish or larger animals. Four neighbors were contacted by Staff; none of them objected to petitioner's prospective home occupation. Staff suggested that a fourth condition be added to the ones already in the Stiff report, that is, that this conditional use permit be on a one year basis to be renewed annually. MOTION was trade by Commissioner Erickson supported by Commissioner Schneider thF,i. the Planning Commission make the following recommendation to the City Council:: That the request of William G Sieloff to do taxidermy of game birds in his home at 17225 -12th Avenue North be approved subject to the following conditions: 1. Flo signs be allowed. 2 No -wployees other than petitioner, 3.. No outside storage of waste grid/or materials incidental to his operation. 4. That this CUP be for a ane year term, renewable ` annue.1'1y, MOTION CARRIED (5.0-01 (All in favor) MOTION CARRIED It was requested that the minutes of the meeting reflect that this Conditional Use Permit was conditioned upon taxidermy of game birds. only. A-377 Plymouth f=reeway Center A-377' Final Plat Staff reported that the City Council approved the site plan and preliminary plat as the Commission had seen it at their last meeting. City Engineer Sherman Goldberg has recommended easements for the plat. -Staff 'recornnended approval subject to the conditions of the City Engineer's specifications as to easements MOTION was made by Commissioner Schneider supported by Commissioner Erick- son that the Planning Comissiotx recommend to the City Council approval of the Final Plat of Plymouth Freeway Center subject to the Cit; engineer's recommendations relating to the. utility and drainage easements. Staff stated that: before the Chairman signsthe final plai a letter should e be in hand from the City Engineer stating ghat he had reviewed the easement situation. MOTION CARRIED (5-0-0) (All ¢ .or; MOTION CARRIED PLANNING COMMISSION MEETIND MINUTES -5 May 21, 1975 338Lundgren Bros. Construction Co, -538 Final Flat of Mission Ridjee Staff presented petitioner's request for, Final Plat of Mission Ridge. The Final Plat was basically the same as the Preliminary Plat passed by theCoMm- ssi on. The changes were as C=ol l ow 1. Changes in the access to the major park. Ti.ere is now a single access proposed., 2. 1odition of a s z -,able utlot shown as Outlot B. This is being done for reasons of a financial nature. Outlot B amoints to the Mission Trails pro, pct. This outlot will be unbuildable until it is replatted'. 3. 71:e lot and block numbering system has: been changed. The number of lots remaisls the same; however, there are now 5 blocks instead of the original 5. Related to this, Staff pointed out that the vacation of Fast Medicine Lake Road has now been petitioned and; will be heard. In the development contract being drawn up by Sherm Goldberg, City Engineer, the City is requesting Neceipt of a termed easement back that is termed to the opening of Zachary Lane. Commissioner Schneider stated that it was his feeling the outlot should be labeled as unbuil:dable, until the street is through or until Mission Trails is platted. Planner piilerud stated that this would be a condition in the development contract. MOTION was made by Commissioner Davenport supported by Commissioner Erick- son that the Final Plat of Mission Ridge be approved as submitted; MOTION CARRIED (5-0--0) (All in favor) MOTION CARRIED REPORTS FO OFFICERS, BOARDS AND COMMITTEES The status of the review of the new proposed zoning ordinance was repor4ed' to the Commission. The nest meeting would be June 3; 1975. Up to this paint the Council has dealt with philosophical issues Copies of the minutes of the Council meetings where the proposed new zoning ordinance was. discussed will be available to the Commission in the coming agenda packets, eMINUTES OF THE MAY 7, 1975 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING Commissioner Erickson asked' that the word' "subdivision" in the last para- graph on page 10 with respect to the Lundgren Bros. RPUD be changed to read r ,. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES -6- May 1, 1975 subdivision 'unit project"I., MOTION was made by Commissioner Threinen supported by Commissioner Erickson that the Minutes of the Kay 7, 1975 Planning Commission Meeting be approved as amended. MOTION. CARRIED (5-0µ0) (All in favors MOTION CARRIED X98 Thorpe Devi opri nt an Securities Corp. A-498 Change in Concept Plan for Proposed RPUp Planner . Dillerud explained that the Thorpe company had come to the Ciuy offices with some: changes for the concept plan as presented to the Commission at their May 7, 1975 meeting. Th, changes were responsive to some of the complaints of the homeowners in the area. Thorpe was told that before they would go to the City Council with a plan other than the one the Commissioners had seen, the Commissioners ought to see the changes. It was stated that there had been another meeting held with the neighbor- hood. Planner Dillerud explained that some of the objections the home- owners made were as fallow:, 1-. Location of the tennis courts. 2. Setback situation involving: the furthest north quadriminium. Lot 2, which is rather marshy. 4. The status of the street running through the project; should: or shouldn't it connect with Evergreen Lane. The project was redesigned to address these four problems voiced both by the homeowners and the Commission at their last meeting. The setback was adjusted on the North line of the project by relocating the northern most quadriminium unit. The tennis courts were movedto a location adjoining the street where there is less of a grade problem involved. This area will be disturbed anyway as a result of construction Added was a, paddle tennis court. The lot that was marshy was taken and combined with Lot _ of the same street to form gone building lot in an effort to maintain the pend. Two cul- de-sacs were created instead of the through street to D'vergreenLane The major change of concern to the Commission is that of density. The Commission action of May 7 1975 indicated a removal of the northern most quadriminium unit for the purposes of reduction in density as well as making the setback from the property owners l'argw1r. As the plan has been resubmitted, the density remains t same. Only the setback problem was actually addressed. Several Commissioners expressed the feeling that the new plan for the removal of the northern Most quadrimi.nium unit did Pot deal with the density problem. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES -7- May 21, 1975 It was their inte0t with the motion of May 7, 1975 to include the lowering of the density, not ,merely the change in the setback situation. Acting: Chairman Hagen stated that it .appeared as though the units were now closer together than as previously submitted. Mike Sempsch, representing; Thorpe Development and Securities, stated in response to the observation that the amount of space between the units remained the same as before. Mr. Sempsch stated that after the last Planning Commission meeting the Thorpe people decided that some of the problems as stated by the homeowners and the Conmii.ssion could be dealt- with. This was in response to thLse few problems. A statement was signed by Thorpe and some of the homeowners in the area to the eifect that these changes would be initiated and. are acceptable to the homeowners, Acting. Chairman Hagen asked if the conditions included the placement of the quadriminium farthest north to a different location. Mr. Sempsch responded that this was listed in the statement signed by the homeowners and Thorpe. Commissioner Threinen expressed further, concern with the homeowners` associa- tion controlling the boat ships He stated that he felt the homeowners` association would not really be able to control such a situation from gettingoutofhand, Mr. John Mullen,: a local homeowner, stated his approval of the newlan•yhowever, his major? concern now rested with control of the boat slips by thehomeowners:' association. He stated that he felt the means of control was simply not realistic Mrs. Edward Sell, a local homeowner, asked what would happen during construe - do t e rotes were damaged, as 28th Avenue North was already in bad condi- tion from the winter and is still in need of repair. Staff assured Mrsa Sell that the Development Contract ioul d be conditioned upon the developers being responsible for repairing any daiage to the streets resulting from construction. firs. Catherine Davidson, a local homeowner, stated that she personally was very pease_ with the new plan but hoped the cul--de-sac, would be allowed instead of the through streets. The cul-de-sacs created less problems for the neighborhood in her opinion. Planner Diller.id stated to the Commission that any action to be reconsidered on the Th,irpe development should be taken before this item goes before the City. Council.. Con-nissioner Thre.inen asked for a polling of the Commission as to how the new. Thorpe plan met the concerns listed in the motion of May 7, 1975 with respect to this issue, The Commission decided as follows; 1 Condition #1 of the motion .of May 7, 1975 "That Lot 2, Block 1 be dropped and that the lots be subdivided in such a manner as LANNINC COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES ,.8- May 21, :975 to open the pond and prevent building over it."had been ret. 2' Condition #2` of the motion of May 7, 1975 "Elimination of the northern most Quadriminiu-j unit to reduce density from 56 to 52 units."" had; been partially met as this condition was also intended to enlarge the setback from the northern propertyowners.: The setback situation was clearly addressed. The density, however, remains at 56 quadriminiums rather than the 52 the Connission preferred, 3 Condition #3 of the Matior of May 7, 1975 "That attention be directed to acquisition of the north strip known as the Bolduc property as there still remains a problem of access along 26th Avenue North and a problem of building on such a piece of land." had notbeenmet. 4. Condition #4 of the motion of May 7, 1975 which was dropped from the original' motion as amended, "Cul-de-sacs be created on Ever- green Lane for Lots 1 2, and 3 of Block 3 and Lots 3 and 4 of Block 4 feeding north to 28th AvenueNorth-11 was now considered by the Commission to be a preferred situation to the through street as originally proposed. 5, Condition #5 of the motion of May 7, 1975 "That the homeowners' association control the amenitie;. of the site, i.e. tennis courts and boat slips by contract.'" was still a matter of concern to the Commission as the situation of control being exercised bytheassociationcouldbequiteunrealisticandbecomearather controversial problem for all involved, 6, Condition #6 of the motion of May 7, 1975 "That the drivewayof the Rippe homestead be redirected to open only on to 27th AvenueNorth." was met by the petitioners. The Rippes had no reservatigns about accenting this condition. It was asked: that it be noted in the minutes that these changes be directed. to the attention of the City Council upon their consideration of the ConceptPlanoftheRippeProperty. MOTION was made by Commissioner Threinen supported by Commissioner Schneiderthatthemeetingbeadjovned MOTION CARRIED (5-0-0) (Ali in favor) MOTION CARRIED The meetinq adjourned at 9:35 p.m. APPROVED BY PL,AWNG COMMISSION _ June 4,, 1975 Reg Kroskin, Chairman P1 no'.thrPl anni ommi ssi on _ Chid^ 66s 1 l(d, SE'C txf`Y