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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 04-16-1975PLANNINIG CORNMISSIO CAnn, " OF PLAsI0(MI, ,Ivwsoz April 16,, 197 A regular meeting of the Plymouth Plaiming Compassion Ivan called to order by Chairman Kroskin at 7:50 p,rt., in the Council; Chambers of the Public Works Building,. 14900 - 23rd Avenue Forth, M"IMM P SET . Chaim= Kroskin, Comm%sslioners Hagen, Brickson, Davenport, Schneider and Stewart NM MrR> ABSENT: Comni,ssioner 'hreanen STAFF PMENT4 Charles Dillexud, Milt Dale, mate Marx, and John Meyer, Pla i ng lntorzx 0111ERS PRES T; Tom Duntley and Connie Genung,, YAAAC Representatives Chairman Kroskin opened the Public Hearing at 7.34 pm. A--577 P._lYmout z Frm er A._5777 Preliminary Plat Mendment and Site Plan Approval Staff presented the petitioners, request for amended preliminaiy plat and site plan approval. Coanmissioners were r4minded that this was the wane piece of land that the Ramada lati had sdomi;tted a proposal for last year. The request for this meeting was for art anienchent affecting street length and lot lines. Commission members were referred to the map of the plat pl principle y g nT -the map of the plat asasapprovedlastyearforthissitecoaxedto amended. The char es betaieen lastt year's approved Plat and this year's request are; 1) The cul-de-sac ,street is being proposed to be shorter and ) Logit Line arrangements in the South of the plat are rearranged. gCunloussiOnerswerealsoreferredtoaTeviewofey the amended preliminary plat and site plans by the City Pragineer, Sherman Goldberg Staff xecoanmended approval, of the plat consistent with the City Engineer' recommendations and any adjustment that may be needed on the site plan. to property linos. Conn tissioner Schneider questioned whether the road would extend through Outlot A and whether that was access to the land to the Forth. Planner Dil.lerud stated that was exactly what would happen. Chairman Kroskin stated haat there is also a stub street that goes, cast off E=pi.re Lane towards the freeway, PL,A,'4NING COMISSION IM -MING iTN' -2- April lea 1976 Ray Harris, representing F. W. and Leo Harris Company, developers, statedthatatereareveryfet4changesbeingaskedforatthistime , Last yeas the request iotas for similar larad uses, Le. a hotel and restaurant. Coauai,ssioner Stewart asked if there were any plans at this time for Lot 1Block2. Mr. Harris answered that there wore no plans submitted to them which they considered serious enough to go ahead. There are no plans for that particular piece of land at present. Ramada is totally out of the picture. Commissioner Hagen stated that he felt this was 'a major change from the previously submitted plat because the largest lot in the whole plan i%ras an unknown. He stateda further. concern with the access. . Plaxuxer Da,i.3.erud stated that with, re,,-ect to Fernbrook Lane access, the City Council, when they approved the final pkat and development contract, amended the access. The City Council action made it essentially a one-way access point in only, Coimdssioner Stewart pointed out that the plan before the Commission was shoeing ingress and egress inty the :Empire Lane off that parcel.. Com issioner Hagen stated that if the Commission is to accept and approve the amended preliminary plat, '.hat it should be definitely based on a changed. General Development plan so that there is no indication that it is a two- way and that the access to Fernbrook Lane be in strict conformance to the City Council action; Chairman Kroskin asked if anyone in the audience was present to speak in favor or in opposition to the presented request, ane were present. Public Hearing on this item was closed at 7:55 p.m. TIOX was made by Commissioner Stewart supporters by Commissioner Davenport that the Planning Commission should act on the petition atthis meeting, MOTION CARRIED (6-0_0) (All in favor) MOTION CARRIED The next two items of business were related to the issue of the Plymouth Freeway Center, those tieing the site pians for Cricket Ina and PeTl ai s. Staff felt it would be appropriate to look at the site plans EFor the two companies as they related to the plat individually and as they related to the plat combined. Planner Lillerud stated that the site plans were for construction on what would be .Lots 5 and 4 of the preliminary plat. These site plans are being processed with the preliminary plat with due considera— tion of the fact that no buildaxig permits are going to be issued until the final plat and development, contract are approved, The site plans were before the Commission as a matter of timing; Staff could see no reason for not proceeding with the site plans at this time, especially since the site plans had so much to do with the approval of the preliminary plat inthiscase. 9 a PLANNING CMSMON HMTJI Sw1IjNl 11S -3, April lb, l9 -#s Comi,ssioner Davenport asked the representatives from Cricket inn to gave a presentation describing Cricket Inns as the company was: entirely new to this area of the city. Tim .dams, representing Cricket Inns responded to Connissioner Davenport'squestionystatingthatCricketInnsfollowthe "economy motel: concept", They provide- merely rooms and room service but have no provisions for added ext -ns such as meeting rooms,, special restaurants, etc. The cosi of main - tai Ing these facilities are passed orz to the consumer, however, the typo of customers Cricket Inn in trying to attract are not the type that wov1d find a need for a meeting rctYa or other such I`luxuries". Also, the company tries to maintain efficiency of construction by elimination of waste space. The company is trying to put across the I%Ia and Pat` concept., Turnpike Porperties Northwest are the "owners" of this company,. The company is organized in the ML64est and some in the Southeast. They are not reallycorLideredanationalfirm, CIbey presently operate six motels in the Midwest and Southeast combined.) Because they are not offering the "l>lxuri,es" or any food service they prefer to locate near or -next to if possibly restaurants. like Perkins, a free standing family style restaurant. Cotmidssioner kTagen questioned the representatives from Cricket Inn as to the heating and .air condi PLANNING CGMISSION 3,NEETING MINUTL-S ,.4:. April 16, 1975 card for the tcs.t$urant. Obviously there would be a traffic concern going through there but the traffic is really peakipg at different Mmes. The representatives felt the stalls which were provided in the front of the Cricket Inn were really registration type stalls close to the dour which would cause no real problem for the Perkins traffic. Comment #4 was with respect to the failure of the Cricket Inn to provide a 20 foot green strip along the common property line with Perkins. Repre- sentatives had answered this question in comments Avith respect to the Fast property .line (above) . Commissioner Hagen questioned whether the representatives really felt that the circulation i adequate. The route customers will have to take is either weaving aroind the parking lots or wandering through Perkins. Per- haps an ideal situation would be a mini -cul-de-sac. It is not a desirable situation to be wandering between parked cars. The worst situation of all is driving-doixm an aisle in a parking lot. Commissioner Schneider asked the Perkins representatives how they felt about the property line situation they shared in this site plan with Cricket Inn.. Dave Cosell, represent at Perkins stated that he felt this would be no p`roMem for the Perkins people. He cited an example of a similar situation in .Rochester, Minnesota where the Perkins establishment there lias enjoyed the relationship it has to the neighbor with whom it shares its common drive. Ray Harris, developer, stated that his company was Looking at this as a common site plan: for the two companies, in fact as close as the two can be without absolutely losing individual. identity. It is the hope of the representatives here and the developers that there will be no more land required, It i as felt that since there was such a substantial ROW on the site for the intersection of Highway SS and I-494 that these variances would be granted.. Commissioner Hagen asked whether moving the motel 10 feet to the west would be a great problem. Then the common drive would still exist but -mere would be one way in and one way out. 'There would be a median provided for down the middle of the drive then. Tim Adams, representative from Cricket Inn, stated that the managers of Uie two companies would hook at this as;a negative feature. It would be something for the customers to walk across or drive around. This would make tt4o sites (gut o the one they would 'Like to have. Chairman Kroskin declared a recess at 8.44 p.m. The meeting was called back to t.rder at q,.00 p.m. Cor,missi.oner flagon, stated that one of the reasons for granting variances PLAINNING CMIS ION Mr-MiTING Mini'" -s "5 April 16, 1975 would be hardship, Ile stated that he felt therereally was no reason given x nth respect to hardship l or the j aa o e tifo sites., ate also gttesti oned the ease of circulation on getting in and out of the parking situationcreatedbynotdivide , the twoproperties'. wa,th the 2Q foot setbacks. Tie representatives :have not really given hardship reasons, economic or othexwise for this request. Canni.ssioner Dagen further stated that he was afraid that the request would be pushing the most vita, thing,, which is access in and out of the Facility. Co tnissioner hrickson stated that the tt:M a vuad situation is -still rather tricl.°y while, the; only solution offered is that of us -Ing the entire twolotsformaneuvering Ray Harris responded to Commissioner Hagen's statement regarding the janiing of the site with an alternative that had been discussed during the recessbyhimselfandtherepresentativesfrombothPerkinsandCricketinn, p:ssibly without actually moving either building, the parking for Perkins could be moved to the east and a 20 foot grass strip could be put on thatside, of the roadway. The roadway would still remain the sante t dth so that cars may still be able to use it, which the alternative of the median rip mentioned previously prohibited. Staff was asked for their comment on this point, The change suggested seemed, to Stwf:C-4 to help more with aesthetics than with the circulation. Chairman Kroskin asked For any -Additional questions regarding the Perkinsgfisiteplan. It seemed, to be general consensus that the questions related to Perkins were mainly those that involved the sites combined. These questions were al.l,a i,x< gyred to the Couraissionerssatisfaction during the questioning of the Cricket Inti. With respect to the variances requested for the signs, it was stated that Perkins Felt they would be too low down on; the site for anyone to be able to seen them. The extra height of the sign would allow visibility frombothdirectiorsofEllighwayS5 Commissioner Davenport stated that even. though the Ordinance does not requireit, he endorsed the intention of Perkins to supply the 100 parkingspacesatthesite. Commissioner Davenport started that he felt the Commission had several options 1) It could move to continue: however, there is no real, meas -)n for delaying passing this on to the City Council at this time. 2) The Comni.ssior, could deny the prelintinsry plat; however the only reasons for that, action would be based on the site plans which is not allowable, Commissioner Stewart asked the petitioners if they would like to have their request passed on to the Council or would they j. -,refer to redraw plans before PLIC, C VIT$151aN . MTING IMlNUTES _6., April lo, 1975 they go on to the Couacil The petition,.,rs answered that they would liketogettotheCouncilassoonaspossible. M TIaN was made ley Commissi i P"'NINC COINITSWIN NUT3TING MINUTES -7- Anikil 16 1975 Redesign of'all proposed parking spaces now shown at an 1:8 foot length to the City standard of 20 feet: 3. Redesign of the proposed pylon sign to existing City standards, Commissioner Dagen statcd that he had no d ff c,,Ilty :accepting the reasoning the petitioner gave for the larger sign Ile would not be against granting a variance for the sign only, Mr. Harris asked if it would not be possible to pass on the site plan: to the Council ""subject 'toy" ""V amount of spocifications rather than denying it. Commissioner Davenport explained that in a case such as this the modifications are so extensive that the Commission should take a look at them Ath a little more time to examine possible alternatives, Chairman .Xroskin stated that he had mixed emotions about the entire issue. Staff has indicated that there is adequate land so that variances could be held, to a minimum.. There are some reasonable requests with respect to the signs However,, the joint drive is still questionable as to its necessity, Voting then was held on the amendment to the motion. MOTION CARRIED (6-0-0) (All in savor) MOTION CARRIED The .main motion, as amended, was further discussed. Manner Dil.11Arud pointed o it to the Camdssion that by denying the motion and sending it on to the Council did not necessarily mean that the Commit- a aY wofdd be getting the sits plan back. Iliat would be up to the discretion of 1#'Ihe CR1M4ci1 Commissioner Davenport asked thatt the minutes state the intention of the Co,nmission to receive the site plan back for review after it had been. to the Council. The main notion as anended wws then voted upon. MOTION CARRIED (540-1) (Chairman. Kroskin abstained) .MOTION CARRIED MOTION was made by Commissioner Hagen supported by Commissioner Stewart that the site plan as submitted for the Perkins Pancake House be denied because of the inadequacies of the traffic circulation pattern as it :eon corns a joint usage as presented wish the Cricket Inn. MOTION was made to amend by Commissioner Stewart supported by Commissioner Davenport to add the following reason for denial; That there isnot a full 20 foot setback to the north property line. MOTTON CARRIED (6-0-0) (All in favor) MOTION CARRIED PLAMNINIIG CO.NMIS aION MEETINIGMEETINGMINUTES -8- April. 16, 1075 MOTION was made to amend by Commissioner Stewart supported by Commissioner Erickson to add the following reason for denial; There is no provision for a 20 foot setback on the west property line. MOTION CMIZIED (b-O-O) (A11 in favor) MOTION CARRIED 43TIO was made to amend by Commissioner Davenport supported by C OITMi,ssioner Schneider to add the following reason for denial: What the pylon sign to be placed 5 feet off the building is not an conformance with the Code with regard to area, height and setback.. WION CARRIED (5-0-1) (Commissioner Stewart abstained) MOTION CARRIED The Motion, as amended, was then voted upon., IM)TIO I CARRIED (5-0-1) (Chairman Kroskin abstained) MOTION CARRIED MOTION was made by Commissioner Erickson supported by Commissioner Stewart that the Planning Commission make the following recommendation to the Casty CGuncil: That the preliminary plat of the Plymouth Freeway Center dated March 28, 1.975 be denied for the following reasons: 1. Lot lines cannot be determined until revised site plans for Cricket Inn and Perkins are redrawn in conformance with the Planning Commission recommendations. 2. The General Development Plan does not indicate a use for Lot 2, ,Block 1 of the Plymouth Freeway Center 10TMN CARRIED (6-0-0): (All in favor) MOTION CARRIED r Planner Dillerud asked the Commission to consider the-following with respect to the two site plans: 1. What would the desire of the Commission be with respect to the parking proposed by Perkins: should it remain at 100 spaces or go down no: Lower than 90 spaces or what2 2. The Commission has not dealt with the freeway center sign advertising the entire Plymouth Freeway Center. These two issues should.be considered at this time if not, in the near future. Mr. Harris stated that the Plymouth Freeway Center sign land was granted to them by NSP when they, bought the land. MOTION W'W made by Commissioner Schneider supported by Commissioner Davea.port to reconsider the previous motion. The reasons stated by the Commissioners for this action were that the Council could act on the site plan and bring it back to the Commission for approval of they preliminary plat and avoid the need for another public hearing. This would facilitate petitioner. PL, WN(G) CMMISSION M71NG 'iINMES, ,.9n April 16; 1975 Chairman, Kros.lkin. asked Staff to respond to this motion. Planner Dillerud stated that it would be ofmore benefit to everybody involved to transmit that preliminary plat to the Council even: in the nega- tive sense. It coulc. tz clearly pointed out to the. Council why it was transmitted in that sense. Secondly, none of the changes in the preliminary plat that would result from changes to the site plans are of encuYah significance that the Planning Commission really needs to sec it again. MOTION FAILED (0-0-6) (All against) MOTMIN FAILED u A-611 Forester h1e_a_t_s_A_-_ZTr Site Plan and CUP Staff presented petitioners request as essentially an expansion of a garage and storage area. It is presently zoned I-2 located just north of County Road 9. Commissioner 1hagen questioned what types of things could be stored. William Forester, petitioner, responded that there could be dry storage materia s. Corunissioner Davenport expressed concern over the size of the site avialabl,e to petitioner which consequently limits expansion to an extent. Petitioner responded that his business was just about at peak right now and lie would see no problems for hiinself. MOTION was made by Commissioner Erickson supported by Commissioner Schneider that the request of William Forester for site plan approval. and CUP for storage and a garage be approvtd subject to the following condition: No outside storage of waste or materials, MOTION CARRIED (6.0-7.) (Comni;ssioner Stewart abstained) MOTIONT CARRIED T-_520 William Stuffpter CUP for Auto Body Repair Shop in I-1 Staff I.-esented petitioner's request for a CUP for operation of an auto body repair shop in the NM corner of the existing building. Staff passed out to the Commission members copies of a letter received front the City Attorney idth respect to this request. The City Attorney stated that this would not be allowed in an I-1 district since it is allowed in I-2 districts. Staff had originally requested an opinion fret the City Attorney because it was not sure whether such a use would fall: i;ito an I-1 district. If the: Camission should concur in the Staff's finding, it was also recom- mended that the CUP application fee be refunded in this case. 0 A-614 Pan-O-GoR BakingCo-. A-614 CUP for a Retail Sales Disines:: Staff" presented petitioner's request for CUP and intent to remodel the presently vacant service station: by converting the ttvo bays into a storage area u6ile the sales business will be conducted in the original sales area with a sales staff of four to six people, It would be similar to a conveninecc grocery store of under 3,000 square, feet. purvey Zimmerman, petitioner, was present to answer questions of the Com- missioners. MOTION was made 'by Commissioner Schneider supported by Commissioner Hagen thy'' the Planning Commission make the following reconmiendation to the City Couiacil. That the request of fart, -O -Gold for a CLIP to operate a retail sales of of bakory° goods be approved subject to the following conditions. LANSI#G C%VTS It k 1 ' x 1 - .April 16, 19,'75 lilliamua2 ter, petitioner, was introduced by Dan Ralickr. He explained e nature a is business and why he felt it wo651 "it into this particular district. Commissioners requested Staff to explain the difference between allowing the Minneapolis .Auto Auction with the; .r type of business in this distract; as opposed to what Mr. Sumpter was requesting. Planner Dillerud explained that the auto body work that Minneapolis Auto Auction is involved in is really accessory and therefore would be allowed. Mr. Sumpter's request does not fell into this categor Chairman Kroskin stated that he could appreciate the comments of the "petite ta,oner, however, because of the Ordinance which the Commi P C(l t4iIS IC's T ETI r'C - 1- April 16,197S, 1. No outside storage of imste or materials. 2. A sign plan be submitted to the Director of Planning and Cotmamity Development. This sign area should be no more than 126 square feet and a maxim= height of 36 feet. 3. A. total of 23 parking 4 . y: yes be delineated to comply with ordinance requirement,- i space for each 100 square feet of floor area and each employee) 4. The center entrance drive be blocked off. S. A plan reflecting Conditions 2, 3, and 4 be submitted to and approved by the Director of Planning and Corm unity Development prior to occupancy. Cormiti ssioners expressed approval of the concept Pan -O -Gold is using; that is, a recycling of vacant buildings such as gas stations. MOTION CARRIED (6-0-0) (All an favor) MOTION CARRIP'1? K--613 RR 3. Tengelkoch A--61TLot Division/Consolidation Staff stated that an earlier preliminary plat, was never recorded in final plat form for the adjoining property. Intent was earlier to have tied that outlot to W. Mengelkoch`-s property. Petitioner needs to consolidate Parcel C with Parcel, A to provide road access to Trenton Lane rather than direct access to County Road 9 for his private drive. WTION was made by Commissioner Hagen supported by Comissioner Stewart; that the request of Fred J. Mengelkoch for lot division and consolidation be approved. MOTION CARRIED (6-0-0) (All ire favor) MTION CARRIED A-570_ Vantage Companles A-570, Site Plan Amendment Petitioner is requesting an amendment to a previously approved site plan which would involve the additkon to pezxit— a proposed tenant the opportunity to drive trucks into the building, turn around and then drive out,: It is the opinion of Staft that alterati;oz) to the building itself, such as a ramp up to a south f,.c:i.ng loading dock, would be more appropriate. An additional drive onto Annapolis Lane would not be in the best interests of tete City from a circular on standpoint, A Tom Loftus 1, representing Vantage Companies, stated that a ramp is more costly`a-n-(f that it would affect the aesthetics of the building, Conmissioner Erickson stated that he felt a natural earth ramp would be much more appropriate while not spoiling any aesthetics e further AMNq C(I'MIS$ION WIiTING MIAM. 42- April 16; 1975 stated that backing on or off of the street is not a desixeable situation for maneuvering tere, r. Loftus asked if a "Y" type of arrangement would be bettor. Commissioner Erickson responded that it would help but is still not the most acceptable 1 saltation. Qarman Kxoskin stated that safety, was one of, the greatest considerations in a case such as this, whidx is why Staff' dealt with the access to such a laxge degree in this situation, MOTION was made by Commissioner Schneider supported by Commissioner Erickson that the planning Commission make the following recommendatio:1 to the City Council: That the request of Vantage Companies for a site plan amendment be denied forthefol.loi.,,ing reasons; Additional drives onto Annapolis bane would create traffic hazards on this street that were not anticipated at the time of initial site plan approval backing onto and off of Annapolis Lane. 2. petitioner has n,* shgiNn that an access drive onto Annapolis Laxie is t':> )ossible way to facilitate a drive-in access tc ,' *Xng, MOTION CARRIED (6_0-0) (Al-. in i-ivor) MOTION CAMIED IndustrM PaR Znd Addition Tk- Final Plat Staff stated that the Council decided: to accept the preliminary plat with the cul-de-sac effectively identical to the way the preliminary plat was presented to the Planning Coimi.ssi.on Staff then illustrated what the Council had decided to do idth Medina Road. b,DTION was made by Commissioner Hagen supported by Commissioner Stewart that the Commission recommend approval of the .final plat of playhouse Industrial park Zni Addition subject to the deeding of Outlot A to the City for drainage purposes. MOTION CARRIp.D (6-0`0) (ll in favor) MMUMN CARRIED SO ap e Creek JOWJ3Final Plat Staff pre. ented. the final plat requested by petitioner. Effectively the plat has, been proposed with the 10 foot .strip an.' drainage park area.. The tuo exceptions would be the cul. -ode -sacs which aT'. not symmetrical and Lot 5 which; has been made to confa m to the City' s requests. PWNING CONISSION MEETING 111INUITS -13- April 16, 1975 NWION was made by Commissioner flaf;en supported by Commissioner Schneider that the request of Floyd B. Olson for final plat of maple Creek be approved subje(*t to the followini. That the following outlots be conveyed to the City as Followst a. Outlot A to be deeded without restrictions as to use. b. Outlot h for easement rights for drainage and park purposes. C. (Xitlot C to be deeded as follows: Park to be deeded for park and drainage purposes, and Walkway to be deeded for walk!ay pLrposes. Further that the recommendations of the City Engineering Department as to this plat be made: a part of this recommendation. M(TrIOX OWIVID (6-0-0) (All in favor) X11"*TION CARRII-5) Reports of Officers, Boards and Committees Planner Dillerud reported that the Park Commission is having a Driving Tour thro "-si, the Park System on May 1. All the Commission Members are invited.. i%t the meeting of May 7, the Commission will have at least one RPLID proposal on the Rippe property and possibly one other on Mission Ridge. The Council at their meeting of April 7 discussed the proposal from the Hennepin County Park Reserve as was presented to the Commission at their April 2, 1975 meeting. It is the intention of the Council to hold a hLar- ing on this issue and they would like the Planning Commission members present. Ilie hearing would be for the purpose of reviewing the plan. The Council discussed changing of the Comprehensive Plan as well as taking the density of the park area and TC-diStributint it. The date and time will be relayed to the Commission members as soon as the date is set. Approval of the Minutes of the April 21, 1975 Meeting With respect to the Mendota Inc. promrty rezoning, Commissioner Davenport asked that it be lded that Mr. 11ichoL would economically not be prejudiced by putting off approval for a year or 18 months because "increased costs could be passed on to the purchaser". lVith respect to the Nennepin Cotuity Par] z- Reserve Development of Medicine Lake, Commissioner Steuart, as well as several other conmissioners asked that the minutes show they were concerned about the 36th Avenue North access40totheparkandthepotentialincreaseintrafficandthepotentialcon- trols that could be implemented to minimize the traffic. Preference was for traffic to be routed North to County Road 9. A statement to this effint should be incorporated as part of the minutes for this issue. MMUCIN was inane by Comriissioner Stewart supported by Commissioner Davenport PI CC COMISSIGN METING MZVXEs -14w April 16, 1975 to approve the minutes of`l 2' Ap . , 197S meeting as wended. IMMIX GAMED (6-0_0) (All, in favor) MOTION CAT2RIM WTION was made by Commissioneroner , Schneider supp iced by Com nissioner Stewart that the meeting be adjoumed. The meeting was adjourned at 11:35 p m, APPROVED BY PI;ANr 11% C%MISSION May 7, 1975 Reg Kroskin, Chairman Plymouth Plain ring:: mmission 01 ,,.f. Charles E. Dllerud, Secretary