HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 11-06-1974PLANNING COMMISSION
CITY OF PLYMOUTH-, MINNESOTA
November 6, 1974
A regular meeting of the Plymouth Planning Commission was called to order byChairmanKroskinat7;30 p.m, in the Council Chambers of the Public Works:
Building, 14900 23rd Avenue North,
MEMBERS PRESENT' Chairman Kroskin, Commissioners Erickson, Schneider, 'Davenport,
Hagen, Stewart and Threinen,
MEMBERS ABSENT-, None.
STAFF PRESENT, Charles E. Dillerud, Muton Dale and: Agatha Mortenson
OTHERS PRESENT: Connie Genung, Y.A.A.C, Representative
A-2'59 JEROME P. BECK`! A-2 5 Conditional Use Permit Renewal
Staff briefly outlined the history of this operation, which Hennepin County andMinnesotaPollutionControlAgenciesweremonitoring. Staff had been at the
site earlier this date and had taken pictures of the area for the benefit of
the commissioners. While, Hennepin County anticipates the winding up and closing: of this operation in the near future, they do recommend renewal of the: Conditional jUsePermitbegrantedtoallowtheoperationtobecompletedaspertheirdirection. l
All agencies felt the operation was being conducted in a satisfactory manner, l
Staff recommends the approval of the Conditional Use Permit, with an expiration
date of June 30, 1,975, at which time a determination of the progress being madeinclosinguptheoperationcanbemade,
Jerome Begin, 12615 County Road 9, was present in the audience to answer any
concerns of the Commissioners.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Hagen supported by Commissioner Stewart that,
the Planning Commission make the following recommendation to the City Council;
That the request of Jerome Begin for a Conditional Use Permit to Operate a Sani-
tary Landfill at the southeast corner of interstate 494 and County Road 9 be
approved:, subject to the following conditions:
1) No garbage.
2) No burni .
3) Attendant during open hours.
4)" Nightly covering with six inches of appropriate sail.
5) No toxic wastes or solvents.
5` Permit application approval by the Minnesota Pollution Control Agency and
the Hennepin County Public Works Department, Environmental Division.
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7') That enforceiaent procedures be implemented by the City, County, and P.C.A.
to insure that the conditions specified and the operation procedures called
out in the engineering report are not violated.
8) This permit is to expire June 30, 1975,
MOTION CARRIED All in favor CARRIED
A-590 PARKERS LAKE BAPTIST CHURCH/PERSONAL DYNAMICS A-590
Conditional Use Permit
Staff briefly outlined the background': this facility and its present problems,
Also presented was a brief explanation o, the firm that would occupy the
facilities, Personal Nnamics, their intended operation at this facility. Several serious cons i4,.,r 1,ons were pointed out to the Comnissioners, i.e, the
appropriate,/inappropriate use of this building for the function proposed; the
educatioN aspect for monetary pr -'-it in a residential district vs. a business
oparat on in ar, R-1 pone, allowable or not, and the definition for the words
institution" and "education" as it relates to the Zoning Ordinance and. the
proposed us2
Leo A. Hauser, III, Presi,dertt, Personal Dynamics, stated they have been in bus-
iness for five years, they are a Minnesota corporation, incorporated in 1969, he
is currently the president, they are presently located on the 4th floor of the
IDS Center, they do. operate for a profit,
Jim Lutzweiler, 8725 W. 35th Street, '',er of Parkers Lake Baptist Church and
also t,e rea estate agent that was handling the sale of the property, read a
prepared statement of the church body, reiterating the problem of disposing of
the property for use that would not bring undesirable conditions to the neighborhood
and would be acceptable to the City Offices, outlining some they had turned down.
Advantages of this proposed use were also outlined; i.e. the use would be during
8100 'to 5:00 weekday hours; prospective buyer would have no more than six cars
per weekday vs, the church's 170 per week when they operated the facility; the
use is compatible with the residential neighborhood and of such nature that would
be allowed if the church body itself opirated this function; and they were of the
opinion the use definitely fell within the definition of a "school"
As the room was filled with people, Chairman Kro&kin reminded the audience that
this was not ,a public hearing. No one acknowledged they were there in opposition
to this request. Almost everyone in the audience acknowledged they were members
of Parkers Lake Baptist Church, but only a few dere residents of Plymouth.
Kira Hauser then explained the operation of Personal Dynamics in some depth, the
history which led to the founding of this organization, its purposes and goals,
the background .of the officers. In response to a question of the Commission,
it was stated that Personal Dynamics has been working directly with the school
and does have a contract thru HUD to work with the disturbed and underachievers
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in the public schools in an attempt to motivate them to better learning. They
would be using the church building as their headquarters, where they would be
creating new material, developing new programs and disseminating the material
from the building, and organizing the classes which are held elsewhere. The
printing of the material is done by another firm, No classes would be held at
this location unless they were instructed to do so to meet the requirements of
a "school". A soundproof room in the basement would be ideal for use as a re-
cording studio to produce the tapes used in their programs. They felt the nature
and structure of the building lends itself to the atmosphere for creativity, which
is why they were interested, in this site; and as such, they would not be alteringthestructureatallbeyondtheremovalofthechurchpeers. They plan on buyingthebuilding, not leasing it, if the City grants them the Conditional Use Permit.
He stated they understood they could not alter or expand the building even if their
business grew beyond the capacity of the building, believing it was large enough to
accommodate their needs for some time. Presently they have three fulltime employ- ees and one parttime. They had not anticipated purchasing the adjacent lot for
parking but were willing to do so if needed to meet the parking requirements. The
building contains 2500 square feet. Commissioners explained the Ordinance require-
ments and restrictions pertaining to off-street parking for employees and the City'spolicywhichallowedthechurchtoparkinthesetback. area.
Robert Ford,, 1730 Ithaca Lane, representing the Northeast Parkers Lake Home- onersssociation, was present, stated he had no comments or questions concern-
ing this request for a_Conditional Use Permit. He introduced Max Smith, 14912
County Road 6, representing the homeowners in the area. Mr. Smith acknowledged
that he was a member of the Parkers Lake H?pfist Church, he had no comments or
questions to make or questions at this time, but stated the Association had not
met on this issue and therefore he was not We to report their stand on the
matter,.
Discussion then centered around the concerns Of the Commissioners pertaining to
the following.
1) Appropriateness of this proposed use for this building and for this area,
2) The intent and the meaning of the word "education" as related in the Ordinance,
31) The need for a site plan to indicate adequate parking.
4) If the permit is granted, what implications might result or precedents set if
the business outgrows the building and the structure is again up for sale.
After considerable discussion, Commissioners requested that the Minutes reflect
that they were considering this request on the basis of it being an educational
facility+
MOTION was made by Commissioner Threinen supported by Commissioner Stewart that
the Planning Commission make the following recommendation to the City Council;
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That the request of Parkers Lake Baptist Church for a Conditional Use Permit
to Operate art Attitudinal Education Service be approved, subject to the follow- ing conditions
1) Adequate parking be provided according to the Zoning Ordinance specifica- tions.
2) The acquisition of the adjacent lot to the west presently owned by theCityof,MinneapCis,
3) A site plan be submitted for approval.
Commissioner ;hreinen`s reasons for this proposal was that he felt the proposedusedoesfitthistypeofstructureandtheuseisaborderlinecase.
MOTION was made to AMEND the Motion by Commissioner Davenport, supported byCommissionerSchneidertoaddthefollowingconditions
4) No clasaes be conducted on the premises.
5)Conditional Use Permit to be renewed on an annual basis.
Commissioner Davenport expressed the opinion that this would help: with the
traffic and parking problem and would give the City control over the situation
in the event a problem did appear.
MOTION to AMEND FAILED (3-4-0) (Chairman Kroskin, Commissioners
Erickson , Hagen and Threinen opposing) FAILED
MOTION was made to AMEND the Motion by Commissioner Hagen supported by CommissionerThreinentoaddthefollowingcondition;
4) The proposed use is an educational one.
Further discussion was held as to what is ao "educational use" and the need for
specifically listing it as such as a guide fo-1 any future requests for this site.
MOTION' to A141END CARRIED (4-3-0) (Chairman Kroskin, Commissioners
Erickson and Stewart opposing) CARRIED
MOTION was made to AMEND the Moti c'' by Commissioner Davenport supported by
Commissioner Stewart that the following condition be added
5) No classes be conducted on the property.
MOTION[ to AMEND FAILED (3-4 0)(C6a.irman Kroskin,: Commissioners
Erickson, Hagen and Threinen opposing) FAIIED
MAIN MOTION CARRIED (5~2--0) (Chairman Kroskin and Commissioner
Erickson opposing) CARRIED
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This concluded New Business at 9;00 p,m. A brief recess was called.
Meeting was reconvened at 9:16 p.m.
Old Business,
AG- I Dn N ,i, DMFT WRUNG -ORD! N NC6 - I Dn Flood Plain Zoning -
Section 6
Staff presented a memo, flow chart and rough draft of a proposed Section 5
Flood Main Zoning, covering a new approach to this subject in the light of
D.N.R. requirements,
On Page 4, Subdivision 6, #1 - Commissioners asked that the last sentence of
this paragraph be deleted as they felt the wording could mean that the permit
applications couldby-pass the Planning Commission and they were de-.irous of
looking into the matter before going to the Council for approval, They did
request that the first sentence be left in the paragraph,
On Page 9, #2 Conditional Use, #A n Commissioners requested that the kords "as
provided by Subdivision 9, 4V be added to, the last sentence at the end of
the paragraph,
On Page 7, #2, #I - the correct Subdivision should be referenced.
On Page 13, Subdivision 2, #A - Commissioners asked for examples of what variances
the Board of Adjustment would be handling ender this section. Example situations
were explained by Staff, Reference was made to provisions given on Page 3,
Subdivision 5, #2 - Conditional Use,
Mr. Dil erud informed' the Commissioners that Randy Thorsen, a student at St.
Cloud State College will be working with us. He is a student of Environmental
Impact. He will be assigned to research and develop the Conservancy :Section of
the proposed new Zoning Ordinance.. If he does not get this done before the
Zoning Ordinance is ready, this section will be left out and added, later as an
amendment,
Commissioner Hagen. requested that a copy of the proposed New Zoning Ordinance
be submitted to Bassetts Creep Watershed District for their approval, as they
do have quite a bit to say about this phase of development.
Commissioners expressed a concensus in favor of going on with the Zoning Ordin-
ance and adding the special districts later, working towards public hearings
to be held in January.
All: Commissioners expressed by vote the opinion that the City Council should be
made aware of this Proposed Section 6 before it is submitted to D.N.R. for its
approval
Old Business was concluded at 9:55 p.m.
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Re ortsr
N H14CS RID .R RAMS STUDY --
Mr. Dter. Dillerud asked for a Commissioner to volunteer or be appointed to represent
Northeast Plymouth at these: meetings. Commissioner Stewart volunteered to
represent Plymouth.
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Mr. Dillerud asked for a Commissioner to volunteer or be appointed to represent
Plymouth at these meetings. Co0missioner Davenport stated he would be willingtodosoashelivesinthisdistrict.
The minutes ofthe Planning; Commission Meeting of October 16, 1974 were presented
for approval.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Hagen supported by Commissioner Davenport that
the minutes of the Planning Commission Meeting of October 16, 1974 be approved
as presented,
MOTION CARRIED (6..0-1' (Commissioner Erickson abstaining) CARRIED
Commissioner Schneider mentioned that he thought they were taking a great deal
of trees as a result of the construction of tke water tower on Zachary Lane.
Mr. Dillerud reported that -the City Council approved the Preliminary Plat of
Greentree West" basically as was approved by the Planning Commissid:l
MOTION was made by Commissioner Threinen supported by Commissioner Hagen that
the meeting be adjourned,.
The meeting was adjourned at 10:10 p.m.
Approved by Planning Commission November 20, 1974.
Reg Kroskin, Chairman
Plymouth Plannincd COX4kfission
Charles E. Dillervd, Secretary