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CITY Oi'' PLYMOUTH4 MINNESOTA
August 7, 1974
An informal meeting of the Plymouth Planning Commission was called to orderbyChairmanKroskinat7:40 p.m.,August 7, 1974 in the Council Chambers ofthePublicWorksBuilding, 14900. 23rd Avenue North. A quorum was not
Present so an official meeting could not be held
MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Kroskin, Co mniss oners Schneiders and Hagen.
MEMBERS ABSENT; Corlmi"sioners Erickson, Davenport, Stewart and Thre- nen.
STAFF PRESENT, John Bergly, Consulting Planner, Mi'.ton Dale, and Agatha Mortenson
OTHERS PIAESENT; tic:i 1 reund, Y A.A.0 Advisor
With only three members present, Chairmah Kroskin explained to the audience that
the public hearing item would be delayed a short period of time in expectation
of the arrival of one of the commissioners, which would then give them a quorum
and official Planning Commission action could be taken.
In the meantime, Chairman Kroskin asked John 3ergly to report the action that
was taken on the Public Hearing items refarred to the Council from the PlanningCommission's informal meeting held on. Jul,17th, 1974.
A- 15 C R SON COMPANIES,INC. A-215 Rezoning and Preliminary Plat
Minneapolis Industrial Park
3rd Addition"
Mr. John Bergly reported that McCombs -Knutson gave a presentation. Their,
engineers had worked out three possible alignments of County Road 61 (Xerium Lane)
after the Planning Commission Meeting of July 17th. The one the Council chose
came close. to what the Staff had proposed. The objec+ of concern were the homes
in the area adjoining tris property. Mr. Pergly pointed out the location of the
three proposed alignments and identified the one selected by the Council, Carlson
Properties does own most of the land that will be taken for County Road 61. Therearetwohomesthatwillhavetobetaken, but this was the least number involvedinallthreeproposals, Mr. Milton pale explainedthat.petitioner's objection to
Staff's proposed route was a matter of., economics it would segregate more of
their land away from the industrial use and this land is valuable.
The small area the petitionerhad asked to be rezoned to Industrial was approved
as requested. The Council approved the -plat as shown with the alignment just
described and the rezoning as petitioner requested.
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CI H 7-:' Amendment to Zbnina Ordinance
Public Tearing was unofficially opened at 7:40 p.m.
Mr. Bergly introduced this request for an amendment to the Zoning Ordinance to
allow a watchman's quarters ir, a B-3 District by Conditional Use Permit. This
is considered an accessory use in many communities, The Council has previouslyamendedtheZoninq° Ordinance to allow sush use in an Industrial District by
Conditional Use Permit. Mr. Lefler, City Attorney, felt that in order to be con-
sistent, a similar ren44est for another distfict should follow the same precedent,
i.e. an amodment shc,,, ` be approved to the Zoning 0rdinance to allow t4iis use
by Conditional Use Permit -
In the new proposed Zoninq Ordinance currently under consideration and review,,
this use is listed as a permitted use or Conditional Use Permit in both business
and industrial districts.
Commissioner Hagen brought out the question of how to control the "residential"
feature, what would you do about providing the needs of family and children if
someone comes in for such a request who had a large fti ly, how, would you provide
the needed green .area, etc, He suggested one way might be to limit the size of
the quarters to one or two bedrooms, if this would not be posing a problem of
discrimination
Chairman Kroskin brought up the question of minimal facilities to possibly help
ward off the "Ma and Pa Grocery Store" type of development, The question arose
Of whether there is a need for security or is it more a matter of economics or
convenience of the owners.
Chairman Kroskin felt "residential structures" should be more definitive, worded
as suggested it could mean separate buildings. Mr. 'ale offered the following
be substituted - "residential quarters when attached to the principle structure"
Chairman Kroskin wanted to know iohat was meant by ''related uses" Mr. Bergly
explained that this was the same wordage used in the adoption of a similar reques,
in an I-1 District. Chairman Kroskin commented that in an I-1 District, the
requests usually are in connection with large: plants but in a B-3 District, the
businesses are usually small and again: expressed the concern that it could lead
to residences coming in, thereby turning the area into a combination business/
housing area for the convenience of the owners of the businesq rather than a
pt i cipl=e need for safety and security of the business itself:, The Commissioners felt
concern over the need to provide a green strip neeessaly for residential use and
wondered how this could, be provided in a business district where needs for parking
and paved areas are great.Mr. tale and Mr.. Bergly explained they were thinking in
terms of fire control, engineering problems, boil-rs, etc, when they-onsidered'
the ,"safety reasons"
Mr. Bergly suggested possibly dropping the word "residential", thereby not implying
that it would be used for living, quarters, Commissioner Hagen suggested limiting
the size of the quarters by stipulating efficiency or one -bedroom residential
quarters necessary for safety and security reasons.
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Public Hearing wa opened at 8:05 P.m. by Chairman Kroskin even though a
quorum would not be reached, but any recommendations or action by the members
would be forwarded on to the City Council,
Chairman Kroskin informed the audience that the City had received a request for
watchman's quarters in a, business district but the concern of the Commissioners j
already expressed was that they did want to provide this service if the need
existed but did not t'ant to make it attractive for family living.Mr. Ralph
Rutledge, 14Q7 South 7th Street, Hopkins, was in the audience to represent thepeE.ioner He had no comments or questions at this time but would be avail-
able for questions from the Commissioners. He stated the quarters would be
occupied by a husband and wife and no children.,
Publfc Hearing was closed at 8:10 p.m,
MOTION was made by Comni'ssioner Hagen supported by Commissioner Schneider that
the Planning co maission make the •Following recommendation to the City Council
That an amendmentto the Zoning Ordinance, Section 13, Subdivision 3, to allow
by Condii:ional Use hermit in a B-3 District the addition of item 20 as follows:
20, Efficiency and/or one -bedroom residential quarters necessary for
security and safety reasons in relation to a principle use,"'
be approved.
MOTION CARRIED All in favor MOTION CARRIED
9-576 KUSTO.i TOOL AND DIE A -S6 Conditional Use Permit
Mr.. John Bergl'y introduced this request, which relates back, to the Amendment to
the Zoning Ordinance they had just, recommended for approval. Mr. Berglyidentifiedthelocation, which is just three or four lots down from 36th Avenue,
North intersection with Kilmer Lane on the west side, just about opposite from
where 35th Avenue Horth comes into Kilmer Lane from the east. Using the plat,
he showed the existing building as it is now, which meets the setback requirements.
They are aski g for a permit to construct a two-story building above the corner
of the building at the back and also an extension to include a single car garage
to be used by the watchman, He stated they did not include the dimensions of the
rroms on the plans, only the outer perimeter dimensions which indicates quite a
large area would be used for residential quarters.. The `crack of this property faces
onto the school's property. The business is a tool and die making operation,
employing 1Q to 15 people.
It was explained to the Commission members that Mr. Rice, who owns and operates
the business, recently purchased the land from Ralph Rutledge, bu.t could not be
present at this time because of the illness of his wife ter.. Rutledge knew the
operation and could speak for Mr. Rice,. Commissioners expressed the desire to
visit with the petitioner himself to determine if there is a real need for security
In this area, as they did not want to encourage or invite a "Ma and Pa Grocery
Store" type of housing in a service area, and Mr. Rutledge was unable to answertheCommissionersquestions.
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MOTION was made by Commissioner Schneider supported bChairman Kroskin that
the :request of Mager E, Rice (Kustom Tool and Die: CO._', for a Conditional Use
Permit to allow a watchman's quarters in a 8i3 District at 3435 Kilmer Lane
be deferred until the petitioner/owner of the premises can make an appearance
before the Planning Commission.
MOTION CARRIED All in favor MOTION CARRIED
367 CAROL A4 BRc1Cw1AN' --367 Renewal Conditional Use Permit
Mr, Bergly stated that the petitioner is requesting renewal of her permit to
operate a beauty shop in the basem of her home at 4055 Glacier Lane, which
was originally granted to her on March 6, 1972 and renewed on August 6, 1973
by Council action. Staff had contacted two of the neighbors and they had no
complaints whatsoever and no problems. The Police Department has no violations
or problems on record in their files against this operation. Staff recommends
approval of the renewal of this permit.
Corms Assioner 'Schneider questioned the petitioner about :a sign but petitioner
stated she had no signs posted and felt she did not need a sign, Chairman
Kroskin asked about the number of customers she had to which Mrs. Broman rep;iec
she only works on Thursdays and Fridays, she can handle no more th-n two 1adrp-
at a time and there. wou'l'd be no more than two cars in the drive at one time,.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Hagen supported by Commissioner Schneider that
the Planning Commission make the following recommendation to the City Council:
That the request of Carol A., Sroman for a Conditional Use Permit to operate a
beauty shop in her, home be approved subject to the following Gond i t7 ons
1) That the Conditional Use Permit be reviewed on an annual basis,
2) That the beauty shop operation be limited to one beauty operator, i.e. the
petitioner,
3), That no signs be permitted on the exterior of the building,
MOTION CARRIED All in favor MOTION CARRIED
W T PETERSON T-584 Site Plan Review
Mr. Milton Dale presented this request, stating this site is located in the
Circle Star Business Center". Preliminary Plat has b_een approved and the f inal
Plat for this development, is on the agenda under Old Business to be reviewed
later, in the evening
Watt/Peterson would be constructing a building on what will be Lot 10, Block 2,
Of this Center and pointed out the location on the proposed Ficial Plat, The
plan does: conform with the Ordinance in all respects except the setback for the
sign, and petitioner has since agreed to placing the sign on the building surface
itself a:nd thereby comply with the sign ordinance.
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Mr. Ron Ryan, Rauenhorst Corp., representing the et` p p g e p tioner, stated the owner
would 3i e to have a small sign bltt with. two 50 foot setbacks, they could find
no place that was suitable to put the sign and were requesting guidance from
the Planning Commission. The petitioner felt that a small sign located in the
setback would be more advantageous tothe property and to the owner than a sign
ort the front of the building itself. After a brief discussion in which it was
brought,out that the: sign on the neighboring property of Tescom and other lots inMIPdomeetthesignrequirements, the Commissioners expressed the feeling thattheyworldprefertostickwiththeordinanceandnotgrantavariance. Chairman
Kroskin also pointed out that this lot in question is on the corner and the
safety factor of possible obstruction of view would have to beconsidered also.
Mr. Ryan; started they had read the: Staff Report and concurred with it in its
entirety.
MOTION was made t;y Commissioner Schneider supported by Commissioner Hagen that
the: Planning Commission make the following recommendation to the City Council
That the request of Matt/Peterson for 'approval of a Site Plan dated July 16, 1974begranted, subject to the following conditions;
1) Recommendations of the Fire Chief relative to the placement of fire lanes and
fire hydrants be a part of this recommendation,
2) All storage of waste, garbage and materials be within the building,
3) Recommendations of the Parks and Recreation Advisory Commission be made a
part of this recommendation, i.e, cash payment would amount to $1,100
500 x 2..2 acres).
4) Landscaping bond be posted and a completion date sat prior to any building
permit being issued,
5) Recommendations of the City Engineer relative to storm drainage be made a
part of this recommendation.
6) Approval of the Final Plat for "Circle Star Business Center 2nd Addition".
7) That no variance in the 50 foot setback for a sign be allowed.
MOTION CARRIED All In favor MOTION CARRIED
Site Plan Review and
Conditional Use Permit
Mr. John Berg`i.,, nresented this request, which was presented to the Planning
Commission very riefly at their July :17th mee4ing but was deferred until such
time as Rauenhor- :, Corp. had approval of the r~inal Plat for '"Circle Star Business
Center 2nd Additi,.~" in which this site was located. Rauenhorst has noi, p esentedtheirFinalPlat, .'1ch will be acted on later in the meeting, and the site tender
consideration is Loi: 8, Block 2, and adjoins the property for which site plan was
PLANNING COMW$SION MEETING MINUTES August 7, 1974
just approved for Watt/Peterson. Mr. Dale brought out that two of the concerns
expressed at the July 17th meeting when this was considered were landscapingandaparkingdeficiencywhichseemedtobeapparent, Petitioners kava made
some provisions for additional parking but would like to maintain it as a
green strip and not pave it until such time as it would be needed. This is
located on the northwest corner of the site. Presently whey have only 14 or
1,'5 employees and it does not appear they will need' this additional parking atthistime,
Mr. Dale stated petitioners called this date and requested that they be allowedtomaintainthedriveatthesouthwestcornerofthesiteas "exit only". Thetruckswouldcomeinonthesoutheastcorner, go thru the building, and out onto27thatthesouthwestcorner . Staff felt this was agreeable in terms of cir-
culation. There would be both entrance and exit on the drive at the southeast'
corner but the trucks would go into the building where there is inside loading
and out the west side of the buildingout onto 27th Avenue North,
Mr. Pat Cannon, AmCon Corp., representing the petitioner, stated this was their
orifi conc=ern. They would have inside loading and felt this was no problem.
Unloading will also be handled inside the building.
Mr. Dare mentioned that the landscaping plan was simmewhat revised but Staff felt
there was need for additional landscaping. Commissioners felt it appeared tobeonlyminimal, that more was needed in the front yard, and that the land not
used should be grass. Mr. Gannon agreed to provide more landscaping, which
Chairman Kroskin stated should meet Staffs approval,
MOTION was made by Commissioner Hagen supported by Commissioner Schneider that
the Planning Commission make the following recommendation to the City Council:
That the request of Chase Metal Co, for a Site Plan Approval and a Conditional
Use Permit to operate a processing plant in an 1-1 District be approved, subject
to the following conditions.
1) Approval of the Final Plat, for "Circle Star Business Center 2nd Addition".
2) All storage of wase, garbage and materials be within the building.
O)The east drive will be two-way and the wast drive will be "out only" onto.
27th Avenue,
4) Additional landscape materials be provided along the southwest side of the
building subject to Staff's approval, and a landsc6pe bond be ;posted with
a completion date established prior to the issuance of,a building permit,
5)` Additional' area for parking be reserved on the: north and west side of the
building and to be hard -surfaced as needed,
Rec:=mendations of the Fire Chief relative to placement of fire lanes and
fire hydrants -be a part of this recommendation.
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7) Recommendations of the City Engineer relative to storm dvaanage be a
part of this recommendation.
B) Recommendations of the Parks and Recreation Advisory 0r,anission be made
a part, of this recommendation, i.e. a cash payment 'would amount to
1,946 ($500 x 3,39 acres).
MOTION CARRIED All in favor MOTION CARRI8D
Ar -'1 1 AUE-QRST CARP Final Plat - "Circle Star
Business Center 2nd Addition"
Mr. Milton Dale informed the Commissioners that Rauenhorst .has now presented a
Final Plat for "Circle Star Business Center 2nd Addition". There are a few
revisions and it now conforms to the requirements of the City Engineer's Department.
MOTIOt4 etas made by Commissioner Hagen supported by Commissioner Schneider that
the Planning Commission make the folio;Ming recommendation to the City Council:
That the request of Rauenhorst Corporation for approval of the Final Plat for
Circle Star Business Center 2nd Addition" he approved.
O MOTION CARRIED All in favor MOTION CARRIED
This concluded the Business pertion.of the meeting
Chairman. Kroskin brought up the question of how to assure and maintain a quorum.
After, failing to get a quorum at the last meeting, it had been decided to poll
the members earlier, ir the week. This was done this time and looked favorable
but last minute unforseeable events prevented ;two members from attending who
had planned on being there. Both Commissioners Hagen and Schneider felt thea
were ,,everal factors involved, such as the City Administration's delay in re- placing Mr. Overhi ser so Planning Commission Meetings were del>iyed,and also, it
was suakmer and vacation time drawing some members out of town, but both +-repressed
confid6nce that this probably would not happen again. The thought of possible
adding more members to the Commissio.ti was expressed but discounted .as a possibility
as the Planning Commisson previously had mono members and it was felt that this
would only lead to the atti tode "the others will be there" and the member is apt
to go about some other business that needed his attention also. They felt we,
should just wait and see. Chairman Kroskin then directed the Staff to continue
poling the members earlier, and he was going to ask the members to contact the
Staff just as soot- as they knew they would be unable to .attend so other arrange--
meats could be, made if necessary.
The Minutes for June 5, 1974 and dul•" 1.7, 1974 Meetings were deferred due to a
lack of a quorum.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES 8 August 7, 1974
OTION was made by Comaissioner Schneider supported by Commissioner Hagen toadjournthemeeting.
Meet.ansq was adjourned at 9:15 p.m,
APPROVED BY PLANN114 COMMISSION August 21, 1974
Reg Kroskin, Chairman
Plymouth Planning Commission
Milton Dale
Planning and Community Development