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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 07-17-19741 1 PLANNING COMMISSION CITY OF PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA July 17, D74 An informal meeting f the Plymouth Planning Com,,ission was called to order by Chairman Kroskin at 7:30 p.m , July 17, 1974 in the Council Ciaambers of the Public storks Building, 1:4900 - 23rd Avenue North. A quorum was not present so an official meeting could not be held.. Thus situation was discussed wi4h Mayor Hilde,, City Manager J. Millis and, City Attorney H. Lefler, and it was decided that because of the number of public hearing items, that had been posted, the meeting should be _held with the comments and opinions of the Commissioners present to be passed on to the City Councilfor their guidance. The City Council will conduct the official pqblic hearings at their meeting on August 5,; 1974. MEMBERS PRESENT., Chairman Kroskin, Commissioners Davenport and Stewart, MEMBEP",' ABSENT. Commissioners Schneider, Erickson, Hagen and Threinen. STAFF PRESENT: Jahn Bergly, Consulting Planner, Milton Dale and Agatha Mortensen Chairman Kroskin explained the situation to the audience without a quorum present and the det-ision of the officials to conduct the public hearings latev as outlined. above. The audience were invited to comment at this meeting with the: comments to be forwarded to the City Council for their Information. A-2.15 CARLSON COMPANIES, INC. A-215 Rezoning and Pruposed Preliminary Prat - "Minneapolis Industrial Park 3rd Addition" Mr loho Bargly introduced this request. The plat covers land presently zoned 1--1 as well as the R -C Land proposed to be rezoned to 1-1 in this petition, all in the sf nth area of Minneapolis Industrial Park lying west of Xenium Lane and north of proposed County Road 15. The proposed zoning Is for three parcels. One is at the northwest corner of proposed County Roads 61 and 15 which was intentionally not rezoned when requested in 1970 until thoroughfare alignmeetts could be established. The: Thoroughfare Guide Plan alignment of County Road 61 in this vicinity was: discussed as it relates both to the plat and to the zoning district boundaries. The Land Use Guide Plan was discussed as it proposed a service Business area in this location, The second parcel proposed for 1-1 zoning is located south of the existing 1-1 District and north of proposed County Road 15. The smaller third parcel is completely surrounded by I-1 zoning. Proposed rezoning and thoroughfare alignments for the two latter parcels are consistent with the adopted city plants. Staff recommended that the proposal be continued or action deferred until the City, County Highway Departxir,.nt, developer and representatives of the neighboring cormounitie.s can worn out the County Road 61 alignment more closely. Mr. Dick Knutson, of McCombs --Knutson Associates, was present and represented the petitioner. He indicated the drainage plans and stated they currently have a petition before the City to put in the utilities in the north half of XerA um Lane. He also stated they did meet with Mr. John Galloway+ of the County Highway Department and discussed the proposed County Road alignments. The County would accept either PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES July 17t, 1974 one of the suggested, alignments providing the City of Plymouth would approve it. The proposed Plan 8 would affect three home sites, and generally confbrins with the Thoroughfare Guide Plan. Mr. Knutson stated, the objections they have to the Staff's proposal for County Road 61 is that it would leave the pe0tioner with a piece of ground 11 -hat would be unuseable, it would take three houses and have a deleterious effect on the houses on proposed County Road 61 Their plan would be less disruptile to the homes in the area, Mr. Knutson beiievrd. As for the effect on the marsh and ponding with their plan, the water would go thru the east edge of the marsh and the rest would be m'eand,-rings for the ponding areas and should provide sofficient ponding. Mr. Knutson stated they hoped to do the site grading the first of September, completing the grading on everything lying east of Berkshire this fall and would be asking for building permits on Lots 1 and 2 with both under construction t,iis fall, if both water and sewer are available. No one in the audience was present to speak for or against this request. Public Hearing clos,2d at 7:52 p.m. Mr. Bergly stated a similar request was made five years ago. "he area had been studied for about six months, a number of different land use, J circulation patterns were made by Hennepin County, the Village and the P, ioner with main emphasis on the alIgnment of County Road 61 as it goes by the Wedgewood neighbor- hood. Some property owners have created. their own ponds in the area. The City held out that portion of zoning because of the feelings of the neighborhood and the City's feelings that this should remain as a buffer between the industrial, and the residential districts. The Staff's recommendation still stands, to defer action until the matter of alignment has been, settled. Even though the. petitioner has met with and received preliminary approval from the County, the City has not been represented at these meetings. MOTION was made by Commissioner Davenport supported by Commissioner Stewart that the Commissioners make the following recommendation to the City Council That the request of Carlson Companies, Itic. for Proposed Rezoning and Preliminary Plat Approval for "Minneapolis Industrial Park 3rd Addition" be deferrei until the City, Hennepin County and the developers can discuss and hopefully resolve the thoroughfare alignment problems and, questions affected by the proposed plat. MOTION CARRIED All In favor MOTION CARRIED Public Hearing was opened at 7:55 p.m, I NHARD_ BROS S " 7, 14Rezoning Mr. Bergly explained this ,-.quest. Petitioners originally received approval for 1-1 zoning and Plat approval in November 1970 for the bulk of this area. PLANNING COMMISSIOR MEETING MINUTES , 3 duly 17,1974 At that time this small triangular piece was not included. Petitioner needs the rezoning of this piece as this piece- is tL provide railspur access to petitioner's ,property, In addition, petition,, will be requesting a Replat andSitePlanApprovalatalaterdate. Staff recommends that this be deferred until the developer comes in with all three proposals at one time. r Teri Schneider, Architect: with Thorsen and Thorshov Associates, Inc., 700 ona $u ding, was present, representing the petitioner, He explained, that they had not had time enough to prepare the plats after learning of the need for rezoning the additional po„`ion. He said one of the conditions in the purchase of the land by Reiptltard Bros.. was that the zoning for this triangular piece would be granted. Ne saw no serlok?s objection to holding up the request while they prepare the plat but would like to get some feedback frDm the Plan- ning Commission. No one was presentit2 the audience to speak for or against this request. Public Nearing was closed at 8:00 p.m. MOTION was made by Commissioner Stewart` supported by Chairman Kroskin to defer the application of Reinhard Bros., Inc. for Rezoning from R-0 to 1-1. of 2.2 acres as defined in the petitioner's application dated dune 24, 1974 until such time as they come in with a reptatting Mr. Schneider stated they had purchased' the property from the Railroad and in working with the Railroad, they recommended bringing in the spur in the proposed location from the east because of linkage and switching. Chairman Kroskin replied that he saw nothing unfavorable at this point without seeing a plat and looking into the situation further. MOTION CARRIED All in favor MOTION CARRIED A-499 tQEPPEL-ENGSTRANR CO, Tb -498 Concept Plan Approval John Bergly A3,plained that the petitioner had contacted the City and requested that this request be deferred indefinitely. This request had been noticed In the Sun Newspapers and neighbors had been notified. Chairman Kroskin informed the audience in the event anyone had appeared in connection with this request, but no one was present, Public Hearing opened at $:30 pm, A-468 CARL. NELSON -70R4-68 Preliminary Plat Greentree West” John Bergly Introduced this request:, whI1,0 is located at the very west portion of the. City in an area zoned R-1, just west of the area of "Greentree Forest". The plat has some things of concent as noised in the Staff's report. Staff feels there are a couple of changes that could be made. One is the street and lot I 0 PLANNING COK41SSION MEETING MINUTES 4 - July 17, 1974 arrangements along 30th Avenue North,,, This has been discussed with the petitioner and he agrees. The other is In dividing t',- open spaces, and public parks into definable. outiots A, 8, C, D C, and FA: One of the Subdivision i1equirerrrents is that tern percent of the total site be dedicated for park purposes. They .have about 30 percent of this park dedication requirement to,e met either In cash or developer improvements to the park with approx. 70 percent being metinlanddedicationsasindicatedontheplan, Subdivision planning should include provisions to accommodate adjoining parolsandthiswasapparentlydonein "Greentree. Forest" with 29-th Avenue ending inatempor4oycul-de-sac, The entire s)uthern-portion of the proposed plat would: be served by one street, Brockton Lane Extended. 1t would be necessary, accord= ing to Staf` to provide an .access through "Greentree Forest for emergencyvehicleandforlocalcirculationpurposes. The developers did work with Mr. Overhiser and this was their conclusion. Mfr. Dick, Knutson, of McComb.; -Knutson Associates, stated they concurred with theSffreportandunlessthePlanningCommissionhadanyconcerns, they were willing to go_aong with the changes as suggested by the Staff. Mr. Bergly expressed the opinion that 29th Avenue probably would not be used by many of the residents of "Greentree West" as it was a very indirect route through ,",Greentree Forest,". Gerald F. Carisch, 18625 -- 29th Avenue North, stated fie was the spokesman for the omeownees in reentree Forests", they had organized their representation and would like to have five individuals each discuss..a separate issue and one woulel summarize their concerns. In summer of 1973 they had learned this area had been purchased by Mr. Belson and it was intended to extend 29th Avenue to serve this. area. The citizens were made aware of this intention, it was suggested that they write letters to the Council and to sign a petition .requesting the easement be sold to the homeowners, thus by eliminating the easement it would. Obb elimina-e the extension of 29th Avenue North. He read a. letter from Mr. Willis to Mr. Carl Nelson dated November, 27, 1973 in which Mr. Wilds informed the developers. of the; concerns of the homeowners in"Greetree Forest" over the extension of 29th Avenue and in his opinion, the City mig1it look unfavorably towards this extension. "Greeniree Forest" oesidents stopped any further ,action as it was felt Mr: Nelson would come in with an alternative route Gary Flamondon, 18205 - 26th Avenue North, stated they were opposed to the plan as proposed and to any plan that would extend any streets from their subdivision to he used as an access route for any other subdivision. The streets in their sv,visi,on were designed for their use in their own neighborhood. Also any nt to extend 26th Avenue would create safety problems for their families ing these streets, for bicycle riders, etc. 14a felt they ,should not be forced to accept a reduction in the value of their property or reduction of their standard of laving that increased traffic would cause by the acceptance of this proposal. They were concerned not only with the elimination of the extension of 29th Avenue but the extension of any subdivision street. PL,"NTNG Cold ISSTTa N MEETING MINUTB July 17, 1974 Dick Stewart, 18530 - 29th Averr:le North, stated they felt any plat that would nerease traffic and decrease their property value takes something away from the current residents that they had no knowledge of at the time they bought theirhomes. The cul de"sac is not a deaderd', it is just a cul-de-sac. There is just no trade-off. Mr. Stewart stated he felt there would be six to eight times as much traffic Past his home if the new proposal as presented is approved. He felt the area could be served by Brockton Lane and County Road 74 and he would like to propose this to the developer rather than extending 29th Avenue. This could be accom- plished by swinging 29th Avenue northward across Outlot A and joining with Kanthus Lane northward to County Road 24. Mr. Stewart expressed the opinion that the safety feature is 100 percent more: a factor than the number of tines an emergency arises, John Whealy, 2915 Urbandale -,ated his main concern was for safety. If you ever go down Urbandale, 00'., s one blind spot that is a safety factor for children crossing the st.et He was also opposed to 29th Avenue or 26th Avenue being extended which would be used to go to. Highway .101. Tney do not want to see any increase in traffic on their streets. They had directed their attention to 29th Avenue but 26th Avenue ,)uld not be introduced as a possible alternative. They object to l either one being extended. John Kocur, 18410 .. 29t4 Avenue North, was -1-^ summarize the other statements. As a Rolee t7ey would oppose any plan that wot. 'increase any traffic on any streetin "Greentree Forest". A survey he took by his home at the corner of 29th and Urbandale revealed 15 cars on Urbandale, ten of the cars were driven by people Oho did not live in Greentree and were unknown to him.j It is currently used as a shortcut from Highway 101 to County Road 24 even though it does curvearound. He suggested that the Staff look .at Imperial Hills Frith attention to the access to County Road 6, Staff would get an idea of what the problem could " in this case. As for emcrgency vehicle.,, they probably would not use "Greentree Forest'anywayasitislonger, has more curves and would be Inconvenient. Mr.. Knutson pointed out that in the history of development., streets are inter -- connected so people can visit one another back and forth so that one develop- ment is not really isolated, Commissioner Davenport wanted to know if it would make sense to make 29th Avenue a cul-de-sac. Mr. Knutson said' he understood the concern of the people regarding their property. When meetitlg with the Staff;, they did consider, the matter of leaving 29th as a cul-de-sac and not bringing the road thru, The contention; was that it would not affect the neighborhood but would enhance it, feeling that the residents in this, area would go to the west, out Brockton lane and north to County Road 24 because that is the shortest route. But you should not isolate a neighborhood, youmust have connecting links. If a eater main breaks or a fire broke out 200 feet down the road,, there would be no -access and no fire or police protection wh°r -*t becomes necessary. PLAT, NG COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES - 6 - du;y 17, ]:974 i Commissioner Davenport suggested usigg walkways and paths as a means of connect- ing the two neighborhoods and thinking that if you wanted to visit someone a few doors down the streets you would walk over and not drive,, He felt the property value would be greater with a cul-de-sac and using paths. Mr. Dave McClarren, 3025 Walnut Grove Lene, asked why did the Staff recommend taking ten fe k additionalwidth Tong County Road 24, Mr, Bergly stated Jt was just the land needed by the Highway for right-of-way purposes. Mr. Dick Ostowicz, 2710 Urbandale., stated he was opposed to the connection of 29th Avenue and asked the Chairman to poll the citizens for their reaction. Mr. Ostowicz them turned to the audience and asked for a show of hands of those who were in support of Mr. Knutson`s suggestions. No hands went up. Mr. Kidnej, 18415 - 26th Avenue North, stated his block was opposed to any type of street going thru but felt that 26th Avenue going thru would be very unwise as it would then: become a thru street to Highway 101, to County Road 6, to Highway 101 South and to Highway 12 to Wayzata.. He ask,d if the Manning Commission had taken a traffic count into Greentree before this petition was presented, and if they had not, he re,uested that they do so. Mr, Bergly replied that the Planning Commission has been consistent in maintaining Continuity of all streets throughout Plymouth. This statement is wound >. 0e ;$u,b Vision< Regulations referring to street development. In the past t,,ie Planning Commiss'on has taken the position of continuity between developments. Sa°:aty of the people in the area must be considered but the safety, of the,5'0 homes. that would be served w th anl,y' one route out of that area must also be considered. Each r, ighborhood does have the right to protect itself from undue access, but here we have the concerns for safety in the s6uthern portion of the proposed plat. Mr. Glen Gore, 1.540 Tray, suggested lookliiq at the develoaITient of Imperial Hills for an example. He was opposed to continuation of 26th Avenue, which would become a thru street. They just can not have more traffic coming thru there with the streets the way they are. already. D. A. Malmo 2940 Urbandale Lane, asked if his daughter, Terra Malmstrom,, could speak, who asked. the Commissioners if they could bring in parks or walk- way trails there as they would use the bike trails, and it would also save energy. Mr. Mel Moore, 2932 Urbandale; suggested coming off County Road 24 at a point where Xanthua Lane would be extended, going across Outlot A and connecting with 29th Avenue with no access betweon the two neighborhoods. Mr Knutson stated they had considered this possibility but feund it to be not feasible ecor-mi Cally, the land would require additional dredging, etc. Mr. Knutson stated they were not referring to 29th Avenue as a coelerkD.r street. Commissioner Stewart pointed out tF , in Goals, Objectives and Z x'teri;a it states that it is desirable to connect wits, the adjacent parcels of land within a neighborhood. In looking at the Zoning Map and the street map, he pointed out that there are connecting streets on the east and south into other parcels of land.. He felt it was sad to build the cul-de-sac on the west of Greentree as the people who built there were led to believe it would remain a cul-de-sac. f Commissioner Davenport felt we should look at something other than connect'irrg 29th Avenue., f LANNXNG COMMISSION MBETiNG MTNUT' - 7 - July ]7, X97 Chair,,,4n Kro5kin commented that there is nc, way we can continue to d> lop in Plymouth without additional traffic on the various roadwayswe have and there are sound planning reasons for connecting neighborhoods.. It may seem there should be a siMPIL' solution to the problem but it is the City's responsibility to come up with something that will work tomorrow and five years from torm?rrow.. Com- missioner Stewart stated he did .not be"lave anyone coming from Greentree West would go thru that 'labyrinth of streets in Greentree Forest to get out. Brian Q'Brion, 18915 County Road 24, pointed out his property on the plat which indicates some lines on the portion he owns giving the appearance that thislothasbeenplatted, which was net done at his approval. Mr. Bergly stated that these lines are .arely there indicating that the developer was suggesting that that portion could be platted in that manner in the future, and assured Mr. O'Brien this had nothing to do with his taxes.. Commissioner Stewart stated that the developer was suggesting that this could be done in this manner so the Commissioners would know there was a way to keep this lot from being land- locked in the event the lot was platted at some future time. Mr. Bergly pointed out that Clock 3, Lot l 4id not meet the standard in size 4nd suggested that 30th Avez,ue be extended a little further to the south to pru-- ide a lot with a no -.mal depth. Mr. O`Brien asked at what distance from tLe rear lot line of this lot could the wilder place his home, Mr. Bergly pointed out that the setback in the rear yard would be 20 percent of the lot,, which is the minimum and explained how this was determined. Mr. O'Brien suggested that the builder be allowed to build closer to the street in this case., Mr. Jim Geier, 16880--1/2 - 29th Avenue North, wanted to know what the City's plebs were for extending Brockton Lane to the south. Mr. Bergly stated than it is ,Manned as Minor street, not a collector street, just another residential street in thrt area, Perhaps if it serves the property to the north, it may provide access, Chairman Krost;in stated we were unable to answer that .,,estion at this time: fir. Bob Cole,, 2705 Vagabond Cane, just wanted to know they were in attendance and were in olved and wrnted to do something to protect their community, Mrs. Sanders, 2715 iagabond Lane, stated at a meeting a year ago, Mr,. Hurt said the road tiwould not go thru in this area because of the: flooding and probablywouldneedabridgetogt, over the pond. Mr, Bob Trap, 18630 - 26ti Avenue North, wairted to know if there would. be an extension. of Z.5th Avenue to meet Zircon lane south of the pavk. Chairman Kroskin pointed out that; it was not on the prat and if interested,. he could: discuss this matter with the Staff at a latter date. 10 lie PLANNING COMMISSION' MEETING MINUTES - 8c:{'r` 17, 1974 Mr, Warren Johnson., .2729 Walnut Grove Lane, is owner of the land that b-iatts up to: the area being developed and wanted to know why the developer did not come back with the: same pplan as ,proposed. some time ago Mr. Bergly reminded them that the developer has the right to present any kind of plan he wishes., The developer, had been asked by th;! City Manager to look at other alternatives and the developer chose not to present an alternative, Public Hearing was closed at 9:25 p.m, Mr;. Knutson stated this was the -plan they were presenting to the Commissi+m for approval, Chainran Kroskin commented that they would either have to recony'nend denial or continuance in order t, bring this: proposal back to the Plann'ng Commission for another public hearing with the changes on 29th Avenue If that is what the members desired, He further expressed the feeling tha'., a plan of this size should have more than one access but the developer 5:,ould be prepared to present an alternative .route for the Commissioners to consider. There were several comments pertaining to one access from this development and none to the east, 7chus in effect landlocking some of the lots as well as other problems for: emergency access versus the extension of 29th Avenue from the east against the wishes and anxieties of the residents in the adjacent neighborhood. They were concerned that a traffic study had not been made. The Commissioners showed mixed feelings both pro and con to opening a street between the two neighborhoods and expressed the thought that the developer should have come in with possible alternatives for the. Commissioners to consider. MOTION was made by Commissioner Davenport supported by Chairman Kroskin that the Planning Commission members recommend the following to the City Council; That the request of Earl Nelson for Preliminary Plat approval and a Conditional Use Permit for proposed "Greentree lest Plat and Residential Subdivision Unit Project dated. June 12, IVIt be denied `;, th- Following reasons. 1) The proposed 29th Avenue North r `,ru street. 2) Lot 1, Brock 3 should be enlargea ;_ area to more closely r:,eet the Ordinance requirements: MOTION CARRIED (2 1=0)(Conn ssioner Stewart opposing) MOTIONCARRIED Meeting was recessed at 9:40 p.ra. and reconvened at 9:50 p.m. Chairman Kroskin. stated that during the recess. discussion with the developer brought Gaut the subjec4 of a breakway barrier of some kind at 29th Avenue. Also a possiVlity of an across to the south onto 25th Avenue North was discussed,, Chairman Kroskin directed the Staff to give some concern to these alternatives before this matter goes to the City Council public hearing. M I* 0 PLANNING C l41SSION MEETING MINUTES - 9 - duly 17, 1974 5 CiTY 0 _ P YM tJTN A-5 7 Rezoni n; Public Hearing was opened at 9:50 p,m, John Bergl.r infoned the Planning Commission that tH s was the same request that had been presented to them un -dune 5th, 1.914 but was rescheduled because it was learned the property owners directly affected had not been notified and. the City Council had requested the Planning Commission to hold another public fearing before action was taken, t The City Council had originally requested the Planning -,iaission to hold a public hearing to rezone this area northwest of the Soo Line Railroad tracks and County Road 18 from 1-2to 1--1 to bring it more in line with the Guide Plan andthe proposed new zoning Ordinance as being drafted. There being no one in the audience to speak for or agains=t this request, the public noa.ring was closed at 9;55 p.m, MOTION was trade by Comissioner Stewart supported by Commissioner Davenport that the Planning Commission memebers recommend the following to the City Council. That approximately 40 acres be rezoned Froww,1-4 (General Industrial) to 1-1TannedIndustrial) northwest of the Soo Line Railroad right-of-way and County Road 18 extending approximately 2,150 feet north of the Soo Line Raiiroad,.and 800 feet gest of County Road 18, all land located in Section 1 and 12, Township118, Range 22 MOTION CARRIED All in favor MOTION CARRIED A 15 VANTAGE C_ .iFANIES, INC. A-575 Rezoning, Vacaticn or a portion Berkshire Lane & Site Plan Review for Office/Showroom/ Warehouse Complex Mr. John: Bergl,y introduced th-s request, The land involved is the last remaining portion of Minneapolis Industrial Park to be oezoned. He explained the reasoningforvacatingBerkshire .Lane. The site directly nr ` (Radisson Inn) has this road already vacated and petitioner's site plan sh that it should be vacated to better utilize the ov yrall site. The site dal k $)r- , ..)ll the: ordinance requirements and the Staff recorionends approval of the request with the conditions- 1,sted in tfeir report, Mr. . M. Loftus, 9220 Cypress Drive, Excelsior, was presert and is the local representative for Vantage Companies who are headquartered In Dallas, Texas. Chairman Kroskin expressed the feeling that .a lot of di'scussi; n an, planning had gone into the establishment of the roads in Plymouth and questioned the rationale of vacating this section. Milt Dale further showed the Commissioners the site Plan for Radisson as it is being developed with access onto Annapolis and none frofn the southern edge of their property onto Berkshire Lane so they have no need. fort Berkshire Lane. They were providing good access to the south, east and wast, and would be using what would have been the street for parking and landscaping PLANNING WIMISSION MEETING 'MINUTES 10 - July 1" $1974 with diversified routing on their property directing traffic to the south onto 24th Avenue North and three points to the east onto Annapolis, Mr. Loftus also explained t=hat in cooperation with the Radisson Inn on the north, they were providing access tQ the parking area on the north side of their lot directly onto the parking area of the Radisson Inn so they 'Mould be sharing some of the parking area, John Sebold, 17500 w- 25th Avenue north, representing CarlsonPropertles/Radisson Inn, confirmed that the two companies had worked out an agreement with a common lot. Tine and shared parking on both sites, Using a site plan, both men showed the Commissioners how this plan would work to the benefit of both concerns. The plan shows parking for 174 cars on the one property even though the requirement is for only 68 spaces There being no one in the audience to speak either for or against this petition, public hearing was closed at 10:10 p.m, MOTION was made by Commissioner Stewart supported by Commissioner Davenport that the Planning Commission members recommend the following to the City Council; A) That the request of V«ntage Companies for reLoning from ;B-1to 1a-1 for that part of Lot 1, Block 1, Minneapolis Industrial Park lying west of the westerly line of Annapolis Lane be approved; B) That the request for vacation of Berkshire Lane north of 24th Avenue Porth along the west property line of Lot: 1, Block 1, Minneapolis Industrial Park, lying west of the westerly line of Annapolis Lane be opproved subject to the City of Plymouth retaining utility easements as deemed necessary by the: City Engineer; C) That the request of Vantage Companies for approval of a site Plan dated May 20, 1974 be approved, subject to the following conditions; 1) Recommendations of the Fire Chlaf relative to the placement of t=ire lanes and fire hydrants be a part of this recommendation. 2) All s --gage of -taste, garbage and materials be within the building. 3) The recommendations of the Parks: and Recreation: Advisory Commission be Made a part of this recommendation. A cash conation would amount to $3,950 (7.9 acres x $500). 4) Landscaping bond be posted and a completion date be established prior, to any building permit being issued. 5) The recommendations of the City Engineer relative to easements and storm drainage be made, a part of this recommendation, 6) Any users of the building requiring a Conditional Use Permit make application to the City prior to occupancy. 7) A variance be granted to allow mure than one principle building on onelot. MOTION CARRIED All in favor MOTION CARRIED PLANNING COMMISSION ire-7-Tiii0 July 17 1974 DAV ZD S. 0`A"''Rezoning Milton Dale introduced this pt-oposal >` which is a request to rezone some six aures from R-1 to R-4 located roughly, as follow!j Village of Medicine La,';e onthewest, ra`lroad: tracs on the south,: the lake to the north, withsingle familyhomesOnboththeeastandwest, sides,. The land Use Guide plan indicates this site to, be. LN4 with, the zoning presently R-1, The staff his reviewed the pro- posal and regon nends denial for the five reasons listed xn their Staff report,; David S. Olsen, 4722 - -enue South, confirmed: that he had received theta, eport and was fart, ' 'Nith it Mr. Olsen stated he was the awner of this land and also owned .;ie land to the east of it andthus wouldalso be affected by the use of this land if it was to be developed adversely. Situated as it is along the railroad tracks, this land should be expected to be zoned Industrial and In the hands of good planning, this land could become valuable and bring in increased tax base for the City,. He said he had owned this land for 35 years and had been paying taxes on it all this time. Eike stated he had; not been notified of the Land Use Guide Plan hearings held by the Village even though ne Has the land owner at the time and thu he was not given an opportunitytosayhowthislandwastobeused Chairman Kroskin informed ;'4% Olsen that two puo.lic informational meetings were held, notices werepublis;*zu in the newspapers and :around in stores and c;tizens were Invited to some in with their comments Gau A. MacKenzie, 1646 Hennepin Avenue, Minheapol s, Architect, rias in agreement with Mr. 0 somas far as the land use proposal was concerned. Item No 2 is an fzrqumentative statement they had. not considered the boundary fir Q-4 abutting it and questioned whether the railroad tracks o'n the south creNted such ;i 5oundary, As for azt increase indentii4y would increase the load on public facilities, actue"y this prl,pos(al would be more in line with the R -t; district k acs„t to it -gar as increase traffic on South ;,hore Drive, there is industrial to the east a, this would bring an increase on the load regardless of what is goingtobedonewiththelandir, question, He felt M) . Olsen would be going, in there and building high qual tty complex w,th a. lot of amenities. As for giving; a special prix j l ece to an individual, this request is for what should have been done in the first place. Mr. Olsen corrurented that he i, the only citizen in Plymouth that owns 600 feet s ailroad trackage on land that ,s zoned R--1, which statement was questioned by the`immissioners as there are ocher R-1 areas that have railroad trackage thru them. Bill Enri ht, 10018 South Shore Drive, felt the question of traffic was brushed overso quickly by the builder and yet is one of great concern. One of the citizens took a survey on Monday night Between 3.30 p,m.. and 5:30 p.m. and counted 380 c rs, plus sb„ e trucks and cycles, for a total. of over, 400 vehicles plats the o cycl es and fort traftic which he did not count. South Shore Drive` also has a bad bridge ever Basse+t Creek. Unfortunately the industrial zoninghas ,ought in a lot of traffic:. They have also had accidents as a result of the one very blind spot in the road. South SEiore Drive is the only access to KANN= CQMMISSIQN MEETING MINUTES M duly 17, 1974 Medicine sake Vill ge, It is very difficult to get Into the road now and reallywarrantsastopli'tt there, He further outlined some of the traffic problems that exist, on South Shore Drive. Mr, Enright also stated that some of the area is being filled which is presentlypartof 'the flood plain area,, A lot of the residents have been having trouble. with, basements floodiw.g this pF,-Ing and the portion that is being filled is a part., of the land tliat wzjs not to be tampered with, Mt'. Dead "° pit, 3190 E, Medicine Lake boulevard, stated he represented Med--0- a e iomeowners Association, which has 40 paid atembers,, Very briefly he wouldliketogoonrecordasbeingopposedtothisprojectastheyfeelthis: land should still remain R-1,, They feel they have enougK multiple units on the lake: now and this action would set a precedent for a'ditional requests for re -zoningonthelake. They have been opposed to high density on the lake for a long time, lr bonald L. Maxwell, 2.630 E. Medicine lake Boulevard, Chairman of Association of Medicini a.e rea Cil izenss with 80 members, stated they have discussed this proposal for rezoning and it is their feeling that this would be unwise rezoning. Ti`ey are in agreement with the Staff's Report giving the reasons for denial. The reasoning that railroad property abutting the land decreases the value is questionable as there are many nice homes in Minneapolis that abut railroad prop- erty and their values have not decreased. There are severalproblems of concern: one being the traffic on South Shore Dr ve; another as the filling of the land that was under water, portions of tete land was flooded at the time ani there is no question or argument that this was inun- dated. The question is whether the Bassett Greek Flood Control should have issued a terrnit. Mr. Olsen offered the plan for anyone to look at in response to those who claimed they had not seen the proposed plan. The permit, that was granted to fill the back side of the property was reviewed by Mr. Robert Overfield, Chairman of the Bassett Greek Flood Control'. Mr. Mexviel l stag he had also talked to °ir, Overfi el d and learned that a permit teas issued but that the filling was dolly n violation of one of the terms of the permit in relationship to the distance ba, ,' to the creekbed, The Staff was directed by the Commissioners to check into this, Mr. Olsen asked the Commissioners if they were to zone this area today with the665feetofrailroadtrackage, would they still zone it R-1 and would they con- sider it to be feasible aJd fair to the property owner. Chairman KrosXin assured; Mr, Olsen thct not all railroad trackage is, going to be zoned commercial o4, industrial, as the Zoning Map indicates, and again outlined the procedures that had been taken in establishing the Land Use Guide Plan in answer to Mr, Olsen's comment that the lard had been zoned without his feelings or comments being heard,` Public Hearing was closed at 10:45 p.m. Commissioner Stewart read a portion from Goals, Objectives and Criteria, Objective No. S, Criteria 10 covering multiple dwel in`gs; PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES - 13 duly 17, 1974 MOTION was made by Commissioner Stewart supported by Commissioner Davenport that the: Planning 'Commission members recommend the following: to the CityCouncil That the request of David S. Olser, for rezoning from R-1 to R-4 in accordance with a General Development Plan dated June 11, 1974 be denied for the followingreasons 1), This area is presently zoned R-1 and is guided for LA-1 on the adopted Land Use wide Plan and a deviation from both the existing zoning and the Guide Plan would be entirely inconsistent with City Policy, 2) The proposed change is incompatible with surrounding land uses, i..e. single family residential. i 3) The railroad tracks on the south creates a boondary between the R-4 ZoningDistrictandthepresentR--1 Zoning on the site. 4) An increase in density of this nature could create an increased load on Public facilities beyond community desires and/or capabilities inasmuch as a very large R-4 District exists directly south of the site, 5) The change could adversely influence living conditions in the neighborhood, discourage improvement of adjacent properties and be considered the grant- Ing of a special privilege to an individual. Chairman Kroski n agreed but stated he did not total Iy agree with Staff's Report in Item 5, that this would discourage improvement of adjacent properties, and al so to Item No. 2. MOTION was made to AMEND by striking Item No 2 and amending it to indicate that we have more than enough R-4 Zoning in that general area. AMENDMENT CARRIED All in favor AMENDMENT CARRIED MOTION. was made by Commissioner Steuart supported by Commissioner Davenport to amend Item Pi.. 5 by deleting the words "discourage improvement of adjacent properties AMENDMENT CARit'IXED` All in favor AMENDMENT CARRIED MOTION CARRIED AS AMENDED All in favor MOTION CARRIED This completed the Public Hearing items at 10-.-55 p.m, New Business;, A-30? JA KIE /ANN FfiAIR STYLIST$, IN., A-302 Mr,' John Bergly introduced, this request, -tating the petitioner, John Spilane, Jr., intended to operate a beauty shop i' -K present small vacant building PLANNING. C ISSION MEETING MENU ..14 duly 17; 1974 located at 3510 Kilmer bane, A B--3 P14tript, whfch allQws thrts type of operation by Ccridttlonal' 0se Permit, under "other business, activtties of a similar nature", Staff recommended approval subject, to the approval of a site plan including 'hand- scapi;ig•, definition of parking areas and general cleanup "n the grounds, etc, John Spil ane, 2715 Val e Crest:, Crystal , MN, , Presi'dent of Jackie Ann hair Stvl fists, Inc.,, was present. He, statedthe ne,4 owntrs, VAiam Ga,tsky, had indicated they were going to operate a ,shop In the larger building and had talked 4bout upgradingtheentiresite. Mr, Spilane stated they planned to have three or four employees in their shop-. Commissioners expressed concern over parking on thi. small portion of the larger lot with no site plan available. Discussion was had covering the possibility of deferring until they came in with a site plan, but petitioner has a time problem, having to move out of his present location in Midland Shopping Center on August 15th, Commissioner Stewart suggested that if a site plan was presented, Staff should bean in mind Mr. Gatsky's consideration for upgrading the whole proper,,, MOTION was. made by Commissioner Stewart supported by Commissioner Davenport Uat the Commissioners make the following recownendation to the City Council: That the request of Jackie Ann Nair Stylists, Inc. fora Conditional Use Permit to operate a Beauty Shop at 5510 Kilmer Lane be approved subject to the approval of a Site Plan by the Planning and Engineering Staff with particular concern for landscaping, parking: setback (15 feet), parking definitions and signs.. MOTION CARRIED All in favor MOTION CARRIED 2' ONTAENTAITO kConditional Use Permit Mr. Oohn Bergly introduced this request, GRO Corp., owners of the 'building at 9100 - 10th Avenue North, which is a multi -tenant building, have a lease with Continental Tool and Engineering Co. to operate a, tool and die operation in 3.500 square feet of the building. The company manufactures dies for plastic injection molding. Staff recommends approval of the request subject to the condition: that: no outside storage of waste or iraterial be allowed as part of this operation,. I Palmer J. Kvalness, with GRO Corp., was present, and stated he had no particular comment an they were aware of the Staff`s report and agreed with the condition that there would be no outside storage of material in connectie with this operation. To Commissioner Davenport's question about a sign, Mr, pale stated there had been no sign request. MOTION was made by Commissioner Davenport supported by Commiss7oner Stewart that the CommIssioners recommend the following to the City Council,, PiAliliS # ` 0QM'* ,S,$IQN KUM MIhdTBS July 17, 197 That the request of- Continental Tool and Fngineeri'ng Co;,, for A Conditional UsePerritittcoperateatoolanddieoperationat9700 = 110th Avenue North be approved,, subject to the condition that no outside storage of waste or, materialbeMowedaspartof, this operation; MOTION CARR1`Ep Al I •in favor MOTION CARRIED A-311 GRO Corp. Candi tfonal Use Permit Mr. John Bergly introduced this request also, the petitioner is the same as in the previous request and covers. another ;se on, a separate portion '-f this samesite. Presently there is a great deal of storageon the parking lot and in thesetbackareaforthebuilding. The proposal before the Commission is for approval of the operation of a storage area on. the lot which abuts the Wilding The lotisverydeep, low land to the rear with large trees between the two, areas, TheWildingwhichispresentlyoccupiedisanon -conforming use in an -1 District and will be phased out in time. The pipe in question is new steel pipe used by one of the tenants of this multi -tenant building, who is a steel pipe distributor, Mr. Falmer J. Kvalness, of GRO Corp., was present representing the petitioner. Mr. Bergly confirmed that thisip p,. storage as presently conducted is in violationoftheConditionalIlsePermit, which Mr. Arthur E. Hinnenthal co-owner of GRO Corp,, wta was also r.•esent, stated waste reason' or t e request. The BuildingInspectorhadbeenoutthereandhadsuggestedthischangebemade. Mr. Hinnen-' that stated the economic situation at present is what: brought about thL- problem., the tenant finds it naessary to purchase the pipe whenever he can get t in order to have it available when he; :gets an order. Much discussion was had on this problem as the City's policy has not been to allow outside storage of materials., Also discussed was the topography, the natural growth of trees., etc. t,) block the view from the two houses nearby. Types of Fencing was discussed, the steel fence as proposed, with or without plastic; stripping, vs. natural redwood type fen:e, etc. Mr. Hinnenthal stated the company already has possessfon of about 100 feet of 8 foot high chain link fencing whichtheyproposedtouse. Mr. Hinnential assured the Commissioners the material stored in this fenced -in area would not be visible above the height of the fence. Mr. Hinnenthalwas agreeable to the suggestion that a time limit be placed on the Conditional Use Permit to be reviewed at that time and if necessary,, to construct a building in which to store the material MOTION was made by Commissioner Stewart supported by Commissioner Davenport that the Goaxnissiovers make, the following recommendation to the City Council; That the request of GRO Corp, for a Conditional Use Permit for a fenced open storage yard at 9710 - 10th Avenue North be approved subject to the followingconditions. RANNINQ COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES 15 - July 17, 1974 I) The stora e .yard within the fence .be s fac dgure with an all-weather dustproaf surfa:e. 2) The fence enclosing the north, west and south sides of the storage area be a six-foot high chain link fence with colored plastic stripping to con- ceal the stored materials from the residence and from adjoining property. 3 All open storage on the site of the principle building be removed from setback areas and parking lots. Coumissioners agreed that they would prefer an eight-foot Fgh fence in. this case, and since the petitioner already has such a fence ava labl'e, a variance could be granted to allow the use of the eight-foot fencing. MOTION TO AMEND was made. by Commissioner* Davenport supported by Commissioner Stewart that Condition 2 be amended to read an "eight-foot high chain link fence" instead of "a six-foot high, chain "link fence", and that a variance be granted to permit the use of the eight-f-bot fence. MOTION TO AMEND CARRIED All in favor AMENDMENT CARRIEA MOTION TO AMEND was made by Chairman Knoskin supported by Commissioner Stewart to add a fourth condition: that this Conditional Use Permit is to be reviewed: in two years. Cnalrm anKroski n stated he would like to have the s condition added so any viola- tions not resolved could be reviewed and also to discuss the desirability of morepermanentstoragefacilitiesiftheneedstillexists. Also the Building Inspector should be directed to make periodic inspections of this sits=_ to be sure all materials are withib the storage area. Mr.. Hinnenthal agreea to this as the tenants' lease is for two additional years and any problems could be handled at the tine they lease comess up for renewal. MOTION TO AMEND CARRIED All in favor AMENDMENT CARRIz D MOTION AS AMENDED CARRIED All in favor MOTION CARRIED A-30.PR TH B P IST CHURCH Conditional Use Permit Renewal Mr. John Bergly introduced this request, which is a request to renew the Condi- tional Use Permit to continue to use the classrooms for-temporaryclassrooms. The classrooms are resting on concrete blocks, which staff felt was not totally satisfactory from a standpoint of safety during high winds or tonradic condttions. Pastor Robert d.Terre 12820 - 47th Avenue North, Pastor ,of Plymouth BaptistCurc , was present. Pastor Terrey explained that they were growing and tideded four classrooms and were considering using trailers, but when, they went to getheirbuildingpermit; the Building Inspector insisted they put up a building that I PLANNING C0 144ISSION MEETING MINUTES .. 17 - duly 17 1974 met code. They purchased this one building, put in $32,000 in this steel build'- Ing to mi__>et the cede. Presently they have 80 students, They are using the other itwobuildingsandthenewbuildingand, had 130 students, last year. They are Continuing to wow anu feel they Beed the building. If a renewal for two years would bi? grant 4, they would [lave time to raise the building up and put a permanentfoundationunderit - possibly facing it with brick., They would like to have the permit granted for two years for financial reasons. The question of some temporary arrangement to secure the building to the groundwasdiscussed, possibly 'With tie -downs thru the block or, as: some mobile homes have there over the roof and anchored into the ground., Petitioner agreed to check into this possibility. MOTION was made by Commissioner Davenport supported by Commissioner Stewart that the Commissioners make the following recommendation to the City Council That the request of Plymouth Baptist Church for a Conditional 0 -se Permit to continue the use of the steel classroom building be approved for a period of two years, subject to receipt of the executed easement dedicating 60 feet of street right---of-way as stipulated in Council Resolution No. 73-71, MOTION CARRIED All in favor MOTION CARRIED T -374--U D B IS CH R H Conditional Use Permit Renewal Milton Dale introduced this request, which is for -a renewal of a Conditional Use Permit to .operate a Day Care Center at 31.20 Dunkirk Lane. The building meets Codi requirements. The City has h.ad no problems with this operation and there are no complaints on file. Rev. Gerald Oas, Pastor of Greenwood Baptist Church,, 3120 Dunkirk lane, was present. He stated they have been operating for a year and the Center is open to everyone. On July 1 1974 they were granted an unconditional license by the State of Minnesota. Rev Oas` concern was whether this Conditional Use Permit Application is required on a yearly basis and if this is the City's regular procedure. Chairman Kroskin informted Rev. Oas that this was the City's po;...y so the use could be reviewed on an annual basis in the event any problem or complaint arises. MOTION was made by Commissioner Davenport supported by Chairman Kroskin that the request of Greenwood Baptist Church to, receive a renewal of its Conditional Use Permit to operate a Day Care: Center at 3120 Dunkirk Lane be granted for a period of one year. MOTION CARRIED All in favor MOTION CARRIED PLANNIK COMMISSION MECT1NG MINUTES 18 July 17, 1974 ALNW.Ay A' PR O .G`i'S, INC. A-581, - Conditional Use Permit Milton Dale introduced this request, informing the Commission that the p:.ti ti ones was presently located at 14105 State Highway 55 and intended to move into the Ray -Co Corp. building at the northwest, corner of Xenium Lane and County Road 6, Their type of operation iequirczs a Conditional Uze Pen -nit for this zoning. They als-• intend to move the Steeplejack Company, which is a subdivision of Alpana Aluminum Products, into this same building. The building is leased by Ray Go Corp, from Carlson Pompanies-. R. L. La-Bissf niere, Vice President, Alpana Aluminum Products was present, brought out the 'fa ct-!athey are sub -leasing the building from Ray Go and thus would have no control over enforcing the conditions listed in Items 2 and 5. The urgency ofthis request is that the Steeplte ack Co. have to be out of their plant by August 1st, Chairman Kroskin reminded Mr. LaBissoniere. that these requests hew -d this evening would not go before the City Council for official approval until August 5th, which is after petitioner's deadline. ter, Berg'iy brought out that. the Commmission could take acti-Vn recommiending approval with the conditions binding on Carlson Companies to meet these requirements.. Mr LaBi'ssoniere stated that they manufacture "Iuminum products, at the present time these are stored from time to time in a tru4'.van located in the fenced -in area,. They do `-*nt)eM to store their materials or products outside as such, He w,is riot away ;he hard surface parking requirements until they saw the 5taf+' repert ant not sure what could be done about that restriction. Chairman Kroskin brought out the problems that have been existing under 'Ray Go operation as follows: there has been tremendous amount of trkffic, also the access onto County Road 6, a parking problem, and the problem with outside storage. Petitioner asked ;f they pit aluminum slats in the fence, iI they would then be allowed to store materials in that area. Chairman Kroskin Stated their standard proceduxros were to require all materials be within the building and this was one of the conditions reco nnended by the Stuff. Petitioner agreed they could live with the requirement of inside storage for all materials. Chairman Kroskin asked the petitioner if the Steeplejack Company would be test - Ing its equipment in the same ,manner as they are doing in their present location. In that facility their testing equipment extends above the building facade and Chairman Kros-kin's conc^rn was whether they would duplicate this operation it Plymouth.. Mr. LaBissoniere stated that he believes it would not be a similar testing operation but would be on a much smaller scale. To recap, petitioner stated tnat one firm manufacturjs the basic :gutting drills, etic, and the other is assembly. S't'eeplejack is a wholly Owned subsidiary of Alpana, owned by the owners of A7pano. They are desirous of combining office space into one building. PLAVOING COMMISSION 'MEETING MINUTES 19 - July 17, 1974 Commissioners agreed that if they approved recommending this approval for aConditionalUsePermit, the lessee would have to take tip these pri Wems withthe -owners of the land. There are presently two accesses on County Road B one :on Xenium Lane and one. on Annapolis Lane, Staff recommended closing the access on County Road '6 andlimitingaccesstooXenivitiLanetooneaccessdrive. hr. LaBissoniere stated there are 147 total. Marking spaces on the blacktop area,, Pf titioner stated they could not take the fence down but could park cars, in the fenced -in area, Mr. LaBissoniere again stated that Alpana could not do anything about this as they were subleasing the bui.l:ling from Ray Go and asked that the recommendation be amended. Mr,, Dae statc-1 here was adequate parking available on, the site but much of this, area ;has been used for storage. Discussion was held regarding the status of a , nditional Use permit when a build- ing na,rges tenants., The consensus of opinion was that it is the same 4. 1f it changed ownership.,If petitioner could not live with -he requirements, tie would have to go back to Ray Go and re -negotiate a new lease. Considerable discussion was held between Commissioners and the petitioners re- garding access drives and parking, such as "ooe-,way ingress" and "one-way ogress""; visitor parking in the front area, with the Commissioners agreeing thatVieeastaccessontoCountyRoad6bedesignated"ingress only" and west access Onto County Road 6 be closed, and ingress and eipess be allowed on Annapolis Lane. The use of the south access on Xenium Lane is to be reviewed by the. City Engineer with respE..ct to clising that access in view of firelanes a;.d snow removal considerations. 1Z :should be made with the petitioner. MOT1ON was made by commissioner Stewart supported by Commissioner Davenport that the Commissioners make the following recommendation to the City Council.,, That the request of Alpana Aluminum Products, Inc. for a Conditional Use Permit to operate a manufacturing facility in an I-1 District .be approved subject to the following cord tions; I) Additional hard -surface parking be provided for 110 cars. Ordinance requires 1.85 spaces for a building of 66,000 square feet, the approximate size of the Rk} Go Building:, 2) The west access drive to County Road 6 be vacated and the east access drive be limited to one-way ingress only with tate north access :drive allowed onto Xenium Labe and the south drive closed provided City Engineer grants his approval. 8) All storage of waste, garbage, raw materials and finished products be within the building. 4) Any other users of this building requiring a Conditional Use Permit make application to the City prior to occupancy, 5) Additional 10 feet along; County Road 6 and Additional 20 feet along Xenium Lane be dedicated 'to the City for righty -of --way purposes. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES 20 - July 17, 1974 i r3 LaBissfti'ere allettioned Condition No. S, stating that the property belongstoCarlsonProperties. Qlmmissiioners indicated that plans were that XeniumLaneisathoroughfareandassuchaccessmustbe 'limited. The question was; should the Highway Department buy the land or shouid it be dedicated. It wasagreedthatthisrecomircindationwouldstand, MOTION CARRIED All in favor MOTION CARRIED A l=ive-ainute recess was, calked at 12;15 a.m. by Chairman KroskinMettirgwasreconvenedat12:20 a.m. A_ ltCon CRP. CH. SF tFTM C Y 3 Site Plan Review and Cosiditional Use Permit Mr. Milton Dale introduced this request of petitioner's to construct a warehouse/ distribution center of 36,000 square feet at the northeast corner of Niagara Lane and 27th Avenue North. This area is para of the "Circle* Star Busines Center2ndAddition" proposed by Rauenhorst Corp., for which only preliminary #'atapprovalhasbeeng,;,anted. The Finial Plat has not been approved for this devel- opment and the lot lines do not coincide with those proposed by the developer, which would have to be resolved. Parking may be deficient depending upon the usethepetitionermakesofthebuilding. No signs were udicated on the plan pro--` po:,ed. Staff recommended the request be deferred until such time as the Final Plat is; approved for the property. oat Gannon, }lice P.,resident, AmCoa Corp., was present, and stated they were n res"t CeinfindingoutifaConditional, Use Permit would be granted for this Operation on this site and what conditions would be made. If it would not be approved, they would have tc look elsewhere. Mr. Bergly informed the petitioner that the City would need specific information about a particular user for a. particular piece of property in order to consideraConditionalUsepermit. Chairman Kroskin agreed, that the Planning Cofrmissionwoundhavetohavesomethingdefinitiveinordertoactonarequest. One of the contigencies of purchasing the property is whether or not they would get a permittooperateatthislocation. Mr.. Dale pointed out that Rauenhorst Vorp. received approval of a Preliminary Plat and this request in effect is a change in that Preliminary Plat- which rust be worked out before approval is granted. The Com- missioners were in agreement that it was pretty difficult. to even consider this proposal without Final Plat approval Robert Anderson, representing Chase MOals Co., was present and stated their p^e'sent e aTseexpiresNovember30thandthustheurgencytoknowwhetherthis operation would be approved. If it would not be approved, they would have to begin looking elsewhere immediately. M-,. Bergly stated he had checked with the surveyor for Rauenhorst and was of the opinion that `L.oey would be corning in with the final plat for approval i n a fewdays. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES - 21 - July 1;7, 1974 Mr4 Anderson explained they have 17 employees working in the n,,Ai n j, ort%on oftheirbusiness, which is first Line manufacturing, sawing, shearing and slitting, and later on some cutting. The problem of parking spare was discussed, which seemed adeq,xate for the needs as outlined by Mr. Anderson, but was questioned regarding the future and what would happen if Chase Metals moved from the site. Commissioners also suggested that more landscapinn be shown. MOTION was made by Commissioner Stewart supported by Commissioner Davenport that the Commissioners make the fallowing recommendation to the City Council. That the request of AmCon Corp. (Chase Metals Co, as tenant) for Site Plan Approval and a. Conditional Use Permit he deferred until such time as a Final Plat is approved for the subject property. In the meantime Commissioners suggested that the petitioners get in touch with the Staff to work out details and then put pressure on Rauenhorst to get the -it to _'come back in with a Final Plat in time to get on the next Agenda. MOTION CARRIED All: in favor MOTION CARRIED I A -M UNCLE JOHN'S FAKILY RESTAURANTS X1-15 Site Plan Review, Variance Rc-quest, Conditional Use PL,-mit Commissioner Stewart said that for the record:, he would not take action on this request as his company may be involved with this petitioner at some time in the future Since this was in informalhearing and not official Planning Commission action, the other Commissioners welcomed his comments anyway. Martin Ubedoff, representing Uncle John's Family Restaurant, 4004 Li, 78th St,, stated be purchased the land himself, bu"ld the restaurant and then lease the facili"ies to Uncle John's. Mark Shimamoto, Designer for Midwest Planning andResearch, Inc., 21.01 HennepinvC enue, was also present. Milton Gale introduced this request, The land involved is a small triangular piece at the intersection of Annapolis Lane and Highway 55, to an area that is Zoned I -I:. There are two areas of concern, i,e. one was the insufficient area for parking for that type of use proposed, and the other concern was the appro- priateness of the use, Staff recommended denial of this request. Mr, Lebedoff replied to the Staff report that they felt this use was appropriate ins this area because if the Industrial :Park was not there, they would not be interested % this site, and that their customers, would be drawn from the Indus- trial Park,. He mentioned several operations in other communities located in industrial districts which have been successful. Mr. Shimamoto stated he and the firm he represents have wnrked on a number of similar types of operation, such as in Edina Industrial Park, and others. PLANNIN CW41SS10N MEETING MINUTES ,. ' 22 July 17, 1974 Corimissi'oner Stewart mentioned that about two years ago a study was made of -fast food operations in an industrial park and about 80 percent of the peoplefavoredasitdowntypeofrestaurant, Mr Lebedoff stated their plan is for 72 parking spaces for 166 seating capacityand: felt the parking was adequate but they were asking for a variance into the setback in order, to get the 72 parking spaces on this site.. If the variance would not be allowed, there would be insufficient parking. With the 50 footsetbac,k enforced, this piece ,of proper# would be too small to be suitable for anything;, They had tried to buy some adjacent land from Carlson Properties but were unable to do so, Chairman Kroskin reminded t)e Commissioners that. the/ did adhere to the setback with Radisson and thus. it would be difficult to justifyavarianceonthissite. The other concern iiscussed was whether this eras ;a valid service for the Industrial Park. Mr. Lebedoff stated their .records indicate: they do two-thirds of their business, before 3:00 in the afternoon, basically a breakfast and lunchtrade, Saturdays and Sundays they get a lot of off -the -street customers, shoppers, churchgoers, etc, but at that time they are riot serving the industrialparkwhichisusuallyclosedontheweekends. Mr. Lebedoff argued that with further taking for the street right=of-way and with the setback, the a-,,ailable land space would be too small for any purpose: Mr.. Bergly pointed out that the whale .area is set up on one -acre sites with the 50 foot setback but that is the smallest size allowed in an industrial park, Mr. Shimamoto stated they had consideredseveral other designs for this site but the one proposed seemed to be the most desirable overall. MOTION was mage by Commissioner Davenport supported by Chairman Kroskin that + the. Commissioners make the following recommendation to the City Council That the request of Uncle John', Gamily Restaurants for a Conditional Use Permit and a Variance to the City Ordinance to allow the development of a restaurant at the southeast co,ner of State Highway 55 and Annapolis Lane be denied for the following reasons: 1) The, variance request of a parking setback of 15 feet and 8 feet where a 50 f`)ot setback is required is inconsistent with past City policy in granting variances where a real hardship exists, In this, case, other uses for the site and/or an expansion of the site are possible alternatives: 2) The proposed use is questionable in an IL-1 District where the ZoningOrdinancedoesstate "retail and service establishments essential to the operation of an 1-1 (Planned Industrial Business) Dist-^ict and providing goods and services which are-'Amarily for the use of persons employed in the District", (See Section 15, Subdivision 3, Paragraph 2, City ZoningOrdinance). PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES 23,. July 17, 1974i Petitioners were reminded that this was only a recommendation and the matter would go before the City Council on August 5th for their action, MOTION CARRIED (2-0-1) (Commissioner Stewart abstaining) MOTION CARRIED New Business Items were concluded at 1:05 a.m. Old Business T:373 Be M R BUI QERS, IRR A-373 Final Plat (Hardshells) Hardshells for "BelMar"s Industrial Park" were presented for signature cf Chairman Kroskin but it way not wertain if they had been checked for accuracy. Commissioners felt this should be 'done before the Chairman signed the hardshells, A-x.31. ECKLOND-SWEDLUND N E BUIL ERS,, INC. A-131 Final 'Plat Hardshells) Hardshell.s for "Imperial .Hills Annex" were presented for signature of Chairman Kroskin but it was not certain that they had been checked for accuracy. Commissioners felt tnis should be done before the Chairman signed the hardsheils. L ND REN BROTHERS CONSTRUCTION CO. -SFinal Plat (Hardshell Commissioner Davenport stepped down from taking action on this matter as his father-in-law was involved with the petitioner in the purchase of a site in. this development. Hardshel s for "Fairfield Estates" were presented for signature of Chairman Kroskin, MOTION was made by Commissioner, Stewart supported by Chairman Kroskin that the Chairman be authorized to sign the hardshells on behalf of the Planning Commission MOTION. CARRIED, (2-0-1) (Commissioner Davenport abstaining) MOTION CARRIED No reports of Officers, Boards or Committees. Action was deferred on the approval of minutes from the June 5, 1974 meeting. MOTION was made by Commissioner Stewart supported by Commissi'onar 'Davenport to adjourn the meeting, OMeeting was adjourned at 1:15 a.m. APPROVED BY PLANNING COMMISSION August 21, 197 . Re Kroskin, Chairman P outs Planning Commission Mi one,, Plymou a nng Community Development