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PLANNING COMMISSION
CITY OF PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA
July 17, D74
An informal meeting f the Plymouth Planning Com,,ission was called to order by
Chairman Kroskin at 7:30 p.m , July 17, 1974 in the Council Ciaambers of the
Public storks Building, 1:4900 - 23rd Avenue North. A quorum was not present so
an official meeting could not be held.. Thus situation was discussed wi4h Mayor
Hilde,, City Manager J. Millis and, City Attorney H. Lefler, and it was decided
that because of the number of public hearing items, that had been posted, the
meeting should be _held with the comments and opinions of the Commissioners
present to be passed on to the City Councilfor their guidance. The City Council
will conduct the official pqblic hearings at their meeting on August 5,; 1974.
MEMBERS PRESENT., Chairman Kroskin, Commissioners Davenport and Stewart,
MEMBEP",' ABSENT. Commissioners Schneider, Erickson, Hagen and Threinen.
STAFF PRESENT: Jahn Bergly, Consulting Planner, Milton Dale and Agatha Mortensen
Chairman Kroskin explained the situation to the audience without a quorum present
and the det-ision of the officials to conduct the public hearings latev as outlined.
above. The audience were invited to comment at this meeting with the: comments to
be forwarded to the City Council for their Information.
A-2.15 CARLSON COMPANIES, INC. A-215 Rezoning and Pruposed Preliminary
Prat - "Minneapolis Industrial
Park 3rd Addition"
Mr loho Bargly introduced this request. The plat covers land presently
zoned 1--1 as well as the R -C Land proposed to be rezoned to 1-1 in this
petition, all in the sf nth area of Minneapolis Industrial Park lying west
of Xenium Lane and north of proposed County Road 15. The proposed zoning Is
for three parcels. One is at the northwest corner of proposed County Roads
61 and 15 which was intentionally not rezoned when requested in 1970 until
thoroughfare alignmeetts could be established. The: Thoroughfare Guide Plan
alignment of County Road 61 in this vicinity was: discussed as it relates both
to the plat and to the zoning district boundaries. The Land Use Guide Plan
was discussed as it proposed a service Business area in this location, The
second parcel proposed for 1-1 zoning is located south of the existing 1-1
District and north of proposed County Road 15. The smaller third parcel is
completely surrounded by I-1 zoning. Proposed rezoning and thoroughfare
alignments for the two latter parcels are consistent with the adopted city plants.
Staff recommended that the proposal be continued or action deferred until the City,
County Highway Departxir,.nt, developer and representatives of the neighboring
cormounitie.s can worn out the County Road 61 alignment more closely.
Mr. Dick Knutson, of McCombs --Knutson Associates, was present and represented the
petitioner. He indicated the drainage plans and stated they currently have a
petition before the City to put in the utilities in the north half of XerA um Lane.
He also stated they did meet with Mr. John Galloway+ of the County Highway Department
and discussed the proposed County Road alignments. The County would accept either
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one of the suggested, alignments providing the City of Plymouth would approve it.
The proposed Plan 8 would affect three home sites, and generally confbrins with
the Thoroughfare Guide Plan.
Mr. Knutson stated, the objections they have to the Staff's proposal for County
Road 61 is that it would leave the pe0tioner with a piece of ground 11 -hat
would be unuseable, it would take three houses and have a deleterious effect
on the houses on proposed County Road 61 Their plan would be less disruptile
to the homes in the area, Mr. Knutson beiievrd.
As for the effect on the marsh and ponding with their plan, the water would go
thru the east edge of the marsh and the rest would be m'eand,-rings for the ponding
areas and should provide sofficient ponding.
Mr. Knutson stated they hoped to do the site grading the first of September,
completing the grading on everything lying east of Berkshire this fall and would
be asking for building permits on Lots 1 and 2 with both under construction t,iis fall,
if both water and sewer are available.
No one in the audience was present to speak for or against this request.
Public Hearing clos,2d at 7:52 p.m.
Mr. Bergly stated a similar request was made five years ago. "he area had been
studied for about six months, a number of different land use, J circulation
patterns were made by Hennepin County, the Village and the P, ioner with main
emphasis on the alIgnment of County Road 61 as it goes by the Wedgewood neighbor-
hood. Some property owners have created. their own ponds in the area. The City
held out that portion of zoning because of the feelings of the neighborhood and
the City's feelings that this should remain as a buffer between the industrial,
and the residential districts. The Staff's recommendation still stands, to defer
action until the matter of alignment has been, settled. Even though the. petitioner
has met with and received preliminary approval from the County, the City has not
been represented at these meetings.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Davenport supported by Commissioner Stewart that
the Commissioners make the following recommendation to the City Council
That the request of Carlson Companies, Itic. for Proposed Rezoning and Preliminary
Plat Approval for "Minneapolis Industrial Park 3rd Addition" be deferrei until
the City, Hennepin County and the developers can discuss and hopefully resolve
the thoroughfare alignment problems and, questions affected by the proposed plat.
MOTION CARRIED All In favor MOTION CARRIED
Public Hearing was opened at 7:55 p.m,
I NHARD_ BROS S " 7, 14Rezoning
Mr. Bergly explained this ,-.quest. Petitioners originally received approval
for 1-1 zoning and Plat approval in November 1970 for the bulk of this area.
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At that time this small triangular piece was not included. Petitioner needs
the rezoning of this piece as this piece- is tL provide railspur access to
petitioner's ,property, In addition, petition,, will be requesting a Replat andSitePlanApprovalatalaterdate. Staff recommends that this be deferred
until the developer comes in with all three proposals at one time.
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Teri Schneider, Architect: with Thorsen and Thorshov Associates, Inc., 700
ona $u ding, was present, representing the petitioner, He explained, that
they had not had time enough to prepare the plats after learning of the need
for rezoning the additional po„`ion. He said one of the conditions in the
purchase of the land by Reiptltard Bros.. was that the zoning for this triangular
piece would be granted. Ne saw no serlok?s objection to holding up the request
while they prepare the plat but would like to get some feedback frDm the Plan-
ning Commission.
No one was presentit2 the audience to speak for or against this request.
Public Nearing was closed at 8:00 p.m.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Stewart` supported by Chairman Kroskin to defer
the application of Reinhard Bros., Inc. for Rezoning from R-0 to 1-1. of 2.2
acres as defined in the petitioner's application dated dune 24, 1974 until such
time as they come in with a reptatting
Mr. Schneider stated they had purchased' the property from the Railroad and in
working with the Railroad, they recommended bringing in the spur in the proposed
location from the east because of linkage and switching. Chairman Kroskin
replied that he saw nothing unfavorable at this point without seeing a plat
and looking into the situation further.
MOTION CARRIED All in favor MOTION CARRIED
A-499 tQEPPEL-ENGSTRANR CO, Tb -498 Concept Plan Approval
John Bergly A3,plained that the petitioner had contacted the City and requested
that this request be deferred indefinitely. This request had been noticed In
the Sun Newspapers and neighbors had been notified. Chairman Kroskin informed
the audience in the event anyone had appeared in connection with this request,
but no one was present,
Public Hearing opened at $:30 pm,
A-468 CARL. NELSON -70R4-68 Preliminary Plat
Greentree West”
John Bergly Introduced this request:, whI1,0 is located at the very west portion
of the. City in an area zoned R-1, just west of the area of "Greentree Forest".
The plat has some things of concent as noised in the Staff's report. Staff feels
there are a couple of changes that could be made. One is the street and lot
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arrangements along 30th Avenue North,,, This has been discussed with the
petitioner and he agrees. The other is In dividing t',- open spaces, and public
parks into definable. outiots A, 8, C, D C, and FA: One of the Subdivision
i1equirerrrents is that tern percent of the total site be dedicated for park purposes.
They .have about 30 percent of this park dedication requirement to,e met either
In cash or developer improvements to the park with approx. 70 percent being metinlanddedicationsasindicatedontheplan,
Subdivision planning should include provisions to accommodate adjoining parolsandthiswasapparentlydonein "Greentree. Forest" with 29-th Avenue ending inatempor4oycul-de-sac, The entire s)uthern-portion of the proposed plat would:
be served by one street, Brockton Lane Extended. 1t would be necessary, accord=
ing to Staf` to provide an .access through "Greentree Forest for emergencyvehicleandforlocalcirculationpurposes. The developers did work with Mr.
Overhiser and this was their conclusion.
Mfr. Dick, Knutson, of McComb.; -Knutson Associates, stated they concurred with theSffreportandunlessthePlanningCommissionhadanyconcerns, they were
willing to go_aong with the changes as suggested by the Staff.
Mr. Bergly expressed the opinion that 29th Avenue probably would not be used by
many of the residents of "Greentree West" as it was a very indirect route
through ,",Greentree Forest,".
Gerald F. Carisch, 18625 -- 29th Avenue North, stated fie was the spokesman for the
omeownees in reentree Forests", they had organized their representation and
would like to have five individuals each discuss..a separate issue and one woulel
summarize their concerns. In summer of 1973 they had learned this area had been
purchased by Mr. Belson and it was intended to extend 29th Avenue to serve this.
area. The citizens were made aware of this intention, it was suggested that
they write letters to the Council and to sign a petition .requesting the easement
be sold to the homeowners, thus by eliminating the easement it would. Obb
elimina-e the extension of 29th Avenue North. He read a. letter from Mr. Willis
to Mr. Carl Nelson dated November, 27, 1973 in which Mr. Wilds informed the
developers. of the; concerns of the homeowners in"Greetree Forest" over the extension
of 29th Avenue and in his opinion, the City mig1it look unfavorably towards this
extension. "Greeniree Forest" oesidents stopped any further ,action as it was felt
Mr: Nelson would come in with an alternative route
Gary Flamondon, 18205 - 26th Avenue North, stated they were opposed to the plan
as proposed and to any plan that would extend any streets from their subdivision
to he used as an access route for any other subdivision. The streets in their
sv,visi,on were designed for their use in their own neighborhood. Also any
nt to extend 26th Avenue would create safety problems for their families
ing these streets, for bicycle riders, etc.
14a felt they ,should not be forced to accept a reduction in the value of their
property or reduction of their standard of laving that increased traffic would
cause by the acceptance of this proposal. They were concerned not only with the
elimination of the extension of 29th Avenue but the extension of any subdivision
street.
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Dick Stewart, 18530 - 29th Averr:le North, stated they felt any plat that would
nerease traffic and decrease their property value takes something away from the
current residents that they had no knowledge of at the time they bought theirhomes. The cul de"sac is not a deaderd', it is just a cul-de-sac. There is
just no trade-off.
Mr. Stewart stated he felt there would be six to eight times as much traffic
Past his home if the new proposal as presented is approved. He felt the area
could be served by Brockton Lane and County Road 74 and he would like to propose
this to the developer rather than extending 29th Avenue. This could be accom-
plished by swinging 29th Avenue northward across Outlot A and joining with
Kanthus Lane northward to County Road 24. Mr. Stewart expressed the opinion
that the safety feature is 100 percent more: a factor than the number of tines
an emergency arises,
John Whealy, 2915 Urbandale -,ated his main concern was for safety. If
you ever go down Urbandale, 00'., s one blind spot that is a safety factor for
children crossing the st.et
He was also opposed to 29th Avenue or 26th Avenue being extended which would be
used to go to. Highway .101. Tney do not want to see any increase in traffic on
their streets. They had directed their attention to 29th Avenue but 26th
Avenue ,)uld not be introduced as a possible alternative. They object to l
either one being extended.
John Kocur, 18410 .. 29t4 Avenue North, was -1-^ summarize the other statements. As
a Rolee t7ey would oppose any plan that wot. 'increase any traffic on any streetin "Greentree Forest". A survey he took by his home at the corner of 29th and
Urbandale revealed 15 cars on Urbandale, ten of the cars were driven by people
Oho did not live in Greentree and were unknown to him.j It is currently used as
a shortcut from Highway 101 to County Road 24 even though it does curvearound.
He suggested that the Staff look .at Imperial Hills Frith attention to the access
to County Road 6, Staff would get an idea of what the problem could " in this
case.
As for emcrgency vehicle.,, they probably would not use "Greentree Forest'anywayasitislonger, has more curves and would be Inconvenient.
Mr.. Knutson pointed out that in the history of development., streets are inter --
connected so people can visit one another back and forth so that one develop-
ment is not really isolated, Commissioner Davenport wanted to know if it would
make sense to make 29th Avenue a cul-de-sac. Mr. Knutson said' he understood
the concern of the people regarding their property. When meetitlg with the Staff;,
they did consider, the matter of leaving 29th as a cul-de-sac and not bringing
the road thru, The contention; was that it would not affect the neighborhood but
would enhance it, feeling that the residents in this, area would go to the west,
out Brockton lane and north to County Road 24 because that is the shortest
route. But you should not isolate a neighborhood, youmust have connecting links.
If a eater main breaks or a fire broke out 200 feet down the road,, there would
be no -access and no fire or police protection wh°r -*t becomes necessary.
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Commissioner Davenport suggested usigg walkways and paths as a means of connect-
ing the two neighborhoods and thinking that if you wanted to visit someone a few
doors down the streets you would walk over and not drive,, He felt the property
value would be greater with a cul-de-sac and using paths.
Mr. Dave McClarren, 3025 Walnut Grove Lene, asked why did the Staff recommend
taking ten fe k additionalwidth Tong County Road 24, Mr, Bergly stated Jt
was just the land needed by the Highway for right-of-way purposes.
Mr. Dick Ostowicz, 2710 Urbandale., stated he was opposed to the connection of
29th Avenue and asked the Chairman to poll the citizens for their reaction.
Mr. Ostowicz them turned to the audience and asked for a show of hands of those
who were in support of Mr. Knutson`s suggestions. No hands went up.
Mr. Kidnej, 18415 - 26th Avenue North, stated his block was opposed to any
type of street going thru but felt that 26th Avenue going thru would be very
unwise as it would then: become a thru street to Highway 101, to County Road 6,
to Highway 101 South and to Highway 12 to Wayzata.. He ask,d if the Manning
Commission had taken a traffic count into Greentree before this petition was
presented, and if they had not, he re,uested that they do so. Mr, Bergly replied
that the Planning Commission has been consistent in maintaining Continuity of
all streets throughout Plymouth. This statement is wound >. 0e ;$u,b Vision<
Regulations referring to street development. In the past t,,ie Planning Commiss'on
has taken the position of continuity between developments. Sa°:aty of the people
in the area must be considered but the safety, of the,5'0 homes. that would be
served w th anl,y' one route out of that area must also be considered. Each
r, ighborhood does have the right to protect itself from undue access, but here
we have the concerns for safety in the s6uthern portion of the proposed plat.
Mr. Glen Gore, 1.540 Tray, suggested lookliiq at the develoaITient of Imperial Hills
for an example. He was opposed to continuation of 26th Avenue, which would
become a thru street. They just can not have more traffic coming thru there
with the streets the way they are. already.
D. A. Malmo 2940 Urbandale Lane, asked if his daughter, Terra Malmstrom,,
could speak, who asked. the Commissioners if they could bring in parks or walk-
way trails there as they would use the bike trails, and it would also save energy.
Mr. Mel Moore, 2932 Urbandale; suggested coming off County Road 24 at a point
where Xanthua Lane would be extended, going across Outlot A and connecting with
29th Avenue with no access betweon the two neighborhoods.
Mr Knutson stated they had considered this possibility but feund it to be not
feasible ecor-mi Cally, the land would require additional dredging, etc. Mr.
Knutson stated they were not referring to 29th Avenue as a coelerkD.r street.
Commissioner Stewart pointed out tF , in Goals, Objectives and Z x'teri;a it states
that it is desirable to connect wits, the adjacent parcels of land within a
neighborhood. In looking at the Zoning Map and the street map, he pointed out
that there are connecting streets on the east and south into other parcels of
land.. He felt it was sad to build the cul-de-sac on the west of Greentree as
the people who built there were led to believe it would remain a cul-de-sac.
f Commissioner Davenport felt we should look at something other than connect'irrg
29th Avenue.,
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Chair,,,4n Kro5kin commented that there is nc, way we can continue to d> lop in
Plymouth without additional traffic on the various roadwayswe have and there are
sound planning reasons for connecting neighborhoods.. It may seem there should
be a siMPIL' solution to the problem but it is the City's responsibility to come
up with something that will work tomorrow and five years from torm?rrow.. Com-
missioner Stewart stated he did .not be"lave anyone coming from Greentree West
would go thru that 'labyrinth of streets in Greentree Forest to get out.
Brian Q'Brion, 18915 County Road 24, pointed out his property on the plat which
indicates some lines on the portion he owns giving the appearance that thislothasbeenplatted, which was net done at his approval. Mr. Bergly stated
that these lines are .arely there indicating that the developer was suggesting
that that portion could be platted in that manner in the future, and assured
Mr. O'Brien this had nothing to do with his taxes.. Commissioner Stewart stated
that the developer was suggesting that this could be done in this manner so
the Commissioners would know there was a way to keep this lot from being land-
locked in the event the lot was platted at some future time.
Mr. Bergly pointed out that Clock 3, Lot l 4id not meet the standard in size
4nd suggested that 30th Avez,ue be extended a little further to the south to pru--
ide a lot with a no -.mal depth.
Mr. O`Brien asked at what distance from tLe rear lot line of this lot could the
wilder place his home, Mr. Bergly pointed out that the setback in the rear yard
would be 20 percent of the lot,, which is the minimum and explained how this was
determined. Mr. O'Brien suggested that the builder be allowed to build closer
to the street in this case.,
Mr. Jim Geier, 16880--1/2 - 29th Avenue North, wanted to know what the City's
plebs were for extending Brockton Lane to the south. Mr. Bergly stated than
it is ,Manned as Minor street, not a collector street, just another residential
street in thrt area, Perhaps if it serves the property to the north, it may
provide access, Chairman Krost;in stated we were unable to answer that .,,estion
at this time:
fir. Bob Cole,, 2705 Vagabond Cane, just wanted to know they were in attendance
and were in olved and wrnted to do something to protect their community,
Mrs. Sanders, 2715 iagabond Lane, stated at a meeting a year ago, Mr,. Hurt said
the road tiwould not go thru in this area because of the: flooding and probablywouldneedabridgetogt, over the pond.
Mr, Bob Trap, 18630 - 26ti Avenue North, wairted to know if there would. be an
extension. of Z.5th Avenue to meet Zircon lane south of the pavk. Chairman
Kroskin pointed out that; it was not on the prat and if interested,. he could:
discuss this matter with the Staff at a latter date.
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Mr, Warren Johnson., .2729 Walnut Grove Lane, is owner of the land that b-iatts up
to: the area being developed and wanted to know why the developer did not come
back with the: same pplan as ,proposed. some time ago Mr. Bergly reminded them
that the developer has the right to present any kind of plan he wishes., The
developer, had been asked by th;! City Manager to look at other alternatives and
the developer chose not to present an alternative,
Public Hearing was closed at 9:25 p.m,
Mr;. Knutson stated this was the -plan they were presenting to the Commissi+m
for approval, Chainran Kroskin commented that they would either have to recony'nend
denial or continuance in order t, bring this: proposal back to the Plann'ng
Commission for another public hearing with the changes on 29th Avenue If that
is what the members desired, He further expressed the feeling tha'., a plan of
this size should have more than one access but the developer 5:,ould be prepared
to present an alternative .route for the Commissioners to consider.
There were several comments pertaining to one access from this development and
none to the east, 7chus in effect landlocking some of the lots as well as other
problems for: emergency access versus the extension of 29th Avenue from the east
against the wishes and anxieties of the residents in the adjacent neighborhood.
They were concerned that a traffic study had not been made. The Commissioners
showed mixed feelings both pro and con to opening a street between the two
neighborhoods and expressed the thought that the developer should have come in
with possible alternatives for the. Commissioners to consider.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Davenport supported by Chairman Kroskin that the
Planning Commission members recommend the following to the City Council;
That the request of Earl Nelson for Preliminary Plat approval and a Conditional
Use Permit for proposed "Greentree lest Plat and Residential Subdivision Unit
Project dated. June 12, IVIt be denied `;, th- Following reasons.
1) The proposed 29th Avenue North r `,ru street.
2) Lot 1, Brock 3 should be enlargea ;_ area to more closely r:,eet the
Ordinance requirements:
MOTION CARRIED (2 1=0)(Conn ssioner Stewart opposing) MOTIONCARRIED
Meeting was recessed at 9:40 p.ra. and reconvened at 9:50 p.m.
Chairman Kroskin. stated that during the recess. discussion with the developer
brought Gaut the subjec4 of a breakway barrier of some kind at 29th Avenue. Also
a possiVlity of an across to the south onto 25th Avenue North was discussed,,
Chairman Kroskin directed the Staff to give some concern to these alternatives
before this matter goes to the City Council public hearing.
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5 CiTY 0 _ P YM tJTN A-5 7 Rezoni n;
Public Hearing was opened at 9:50 p,m,
John Bergl.r infoned the Planning Commission that tH s was the same request
that had been presented to them un -dune 5th, 1.914 but was rescheduled because
it was learned the property owners directly affected had not been notified
and. the City Council had requested the Planning Commission to hold another
public fearing before action was taken, t
The City Council had originally requested the Planning -,iaission to hold a
public hearing to rezone this area northwest of the Soo Line Railroad tracks
and County Road 18 from 1-2to 1--1 to bring it more in line with the Guide
Plan andthe proposed new zoning Ordinance as being drafted.
There being no one in the audience to speak for or agains=t this request, the
public noa.ring was closed at 9;55 p.m,
MOTION was trade by Comissioner Stewart supported by Commissioner Davenport
that the Planning Commission memebers recommend the following to the City Council.
That approximately 40 acres be rezoned Froww,1-4 (General Industrial) to 1-1TannedIndustrial) northwest of the Soo Line Railroad right-of-way and County
Road 18 extending approximately 2,150 feet north of the Soo Line Raiiroad,.and
800 feet gest of County Road 18, all land located in Section 1 and 12, Township118, Range 22
MOTION CARRIED All in favor MOTION CARRIED
A 15 VANTAGE C_ .iFANIES, INC. A-575 Rezoning, Vacaticn or a portion
Berkshire Lane & Site Plan
Review for Office/Showroom/
Warehouse Complex
Mr. John: Bergl,y introduced th-s request, The land involved is the last remaining
portion of Minneapolis Industrial Park to be oezoned. He explained the reasoningforvacatingBerkshire .Lane. The site directly nr ` (Radisson Inn) has this
road already vacated and petitioner's site plan sh that it should be vacated
to better utilize the ov yrall site. The site dal k $)r- , ..)ll the: ordinance
requirements and the Staff recorionends approval of the request with the conditions-
1,sted in tfeir report,
Mr. . M. Loftus, 9220 Cypress Drive, Excelsior, was presert and is the local
representative for Vantage Companies who are headquartered In Dallas, Texas.
Chairman Kroskin expressed the feeling that .a lot of di'scussi; n an, planning had
gone into the establishment of the roads in Plymouth and questioned the rationale
of vacating this section. Milt Dale further showed the Commissioners the site
Plan for Radisson as it is being developed with access onto Annapolis and none
frofn the southern edge of their property onto Berkshire Lane so they have no need.
fort Berkshire Lane. They were providing good access to the south, east and wast,
and would be using what would have been the street for parking and landscaping
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with diversified routing on their property directing traffic to the south onto
24th Avenue North and three points to the east onto Annapolis, Mr. Loftus also
explained t=hat in cooperation with the Radisson Inn on the north, they were
providing access tQ the parking area on the north side of their lot directly
onto the parking area of the Radisson Inn so they 'Mould be sharing some of the
parking area, John Sebold, 17500 w- 25th Avenue north, representing CarlsonPropertles/Radisson Inn, confirmed that the two companies had worked out an
agreement with a common lot. Tine and shared parking on both sites, Using a site
plan, both men showed the Commissioners how this plan would work to the benefit
of both concerns. The plan shows parking for 174 cars on the one property
even though the requirement is for only 68 spaces
There being no one in the audience to speak either for or against this petition,
public hearing was closed at 10:10 p.m,
MOTION was made by Commissioner Stewart supported by Commissioner Davenport
that the Planning Commission members recommend the following to the City Council;
A) That the request of V«ntage Companies for reLoning from ;B-1to 1a-1 for
that part of Lot 1, Block 1, Minneapolis Industrial Park lying west of the
westerly line of Annapolis Lane be approved;
B) That the request for vacation of Berkshire Lane north of 24th Avenue Porth
along the west property line of Lot: 1, Block 1, Minneapolis Industrial
Park, lying west of the westerly line of Annapolis Lane be opproved subject
to the City of Plymouth retaining utility easements as deemed necessary by
the: City Engineer;
C) That the request of Vantage Companies for approval of a site Plan dated
May 20, 1974 be approved, subject to the following conditions;
1) Recommendations of the Fire Chlaf relative to the placement of t=ire
lanes and fire hydrants be a part of this recommendation.
2) All s --gage of -taste, garbage and materials be within the building.
3) The recommendations of the Parks: and Recreation: Advisory Commission
be Made a part of this recommendation. A cash conation would amount
to $3,950 (7.9 acres x $500).
4) Landscaping bond be posted and a completion date be established prior,
to any building permit being issued.
5) The recommendations of the City Engineer relative to easements and
storm drainage be made, a part of this recommendation,
6) Any users of the building requiring a Conditional Use Permit make
application to the City prior to occupancy.
7) A variance be granted to allow mure than one principle building on onelot.
MOTION CARRIED All in favor MOTION CARRIED
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DAV ZD S. 0`A"''Rezoning
Milton Dale introduced this pt-oposal >` which is a request to rezone some six
aures from R-1 to R-4 located roughly, as follow!j Village of Medicine La,';e onthewest, ra`lroad: tracs on the south,: the lake to the north, withsingle familyhomesOnboththeeastandwest, sides,. The land Use Guide plan indicates this
site to, be. LN4 with, the zoning presently R-1, The staff his reviewed the pro-
posal and regon nends denial for the five reasons listed xn their Staff report,;
David S. Olsen, 4722 - -enue South, confirmed: that he had received theta, eport and was fart, ' 'Nith it Mr. Olsen stated he was the awner
of this land and also owned .;ie land to the east of it andthus wouldalso be
affected by the use of this land if it was to be developed adversely. Situated
as it is along the railroad tracks, this land should be expected to be zoned
Industrial and In the hands of good planning, this land could become valuable
and bring in increased tax base for the City,. He said he had owned this land
for 35 years and had been paying taxes on it all this time. Eike stated he had;
not been notified of the Land Use Guide Plan hearings held by the Village even
though ne Has the land owner at the time and thu he was not given an opportunitytosayhowthislandwastobeused
Chairman Kroskin informed ;'4% Olsen that two puo.lic informational meetings were
held, notices werepublis;*zu in the newspapers and :around in stores and c;tizens
were Invited to some in with their comments
Gau A. MacKenzie, 1646 Hennepin Avenue, Minheapol s, Architect, rias in agreement
with Mr. 0 somas far as the land use proposal was concerned. Item No 2 is an
fzrqumentative statement they had. not considered the boundary fir Q-4 abutting
it and questioned whether the railroad tracks o'n the south creNted such ;i 5oundary, As for azt increase indentii4y would increase the load on public facilities,
actue"y this prl,pos(al would be more in line with the R -t; district k acs„t to
it -gar as increase traffic on South ;,hore Drive, there is industrial to the
east a, this would bring an increase on the load regardless of what is goingtobedonewiththelandir, question, He felt M) . Olsen would be going, in
there and building high qual tty complex w,th a. lot of amenities. As for giving; a special prix j l ece to an individual, this request is for what should have been
done in the first place.
Mr. Olsen corrurented that he i, the only citizen in Plymouth that owns 600 feet
s ailroad trackage on land that ,s zoned R--1, which statement was questioned
by the`immissioners as there are ocher R-1 areas that have railroad trackage
thru them.
Bill Enri ht, 10018 South Shore Drive, felt the question of traffic was brushed
overso quickly by the builder and yet is one of great concern. One of the
citizens took a survey on Monday night Between 3.30 p,m.. and 5:30 p.m. and
counted 380 c rs, plus sb„ e trucks and cycles, for a total. of over, 400 vehicles
plats the o cycl es and fort traftic which he did not count. South Shore Drive`
also has a bad bridge ever Basse+t Creek. Unfortunately the industrial zoninghas ,ought in a lot of traffic:. They have also had accidents as a result of
the one very blind spot in the road. South SEiore Drive is the only access to
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Medicine sake Vill ge, It is very difficult to get Into the road now and reallywarrantsastopli'tt there, He further outlined some of the traffic problems
that exist, on South Shore Drive.
Mr, Enright also stated that some of the area is being filled which is presentlypartof 'the flood plain area,, A lot of the residents have been having trouble. with, basements floodiw.g this pF,-Ing and the portion that is being filled is a part., of the land tliat wzjs not to be tampered with,
Mt'. Dead "° pit, 3190 E, Medicine Lake boulevard, stated he represented Med--0- a e iomeowners Association, which has 40 paid atembers,, Very briefly he wouldliketogoonrecordasbeingopposedtothisprojectastheyfeelthis: land
should still remain R-1,, They feel they have enougK multiple units on the lake:
now and this action would set a precedent for a'ditional requests for re -zoningonthelake. They have been opposed to high density on the lake for a long time,
lr bonald L. Maxwell, 2.630 E. Medicine lake Boulevard, Chairman of Association
of Medicini a.e rea Cil izenss with 80 members, stated they have discussed this
proposal for rezoning and it is their feeling that this would be unwise rezoning. Ti`ey are in agreement with the Staff's Report giving the reasons for denial.
The reasoning that railroad property abutting the land decreases the value is
questionable as there are many nice homes in Minneapolis that abut railroad prop- erty and their values have not decreased.
There are severalproblems of concern: one being the traffic on South Shore Dr ve;
another as the filling of the land that was under water, portions of tete land
was flooded at the time ani there is no question or argument that this was inun-
dated. The question is whether the Bassett Greek Flood Control should have
issued a terrnit.
Mr. Olsen offered the plan for anyone to look at in response to those who claimed
they had not seen the proposed plan. The permit, that was granted to fill the
back side of the property was reviewed by Mr. Robert Overfield, Chairman of the
Bassett Greek Flood Control'.
Mr. Mexviel l stag he had also talked to °ir, Overfi el d and learned that a permit
teas issued but that the filling was dolly n violation of one of the terms of the
permit in relationship to the distance ba, ,' to the creekbed, The Staff was
directed by the Commissioners to check into this,
Mr. Olsen asked the Commissioners if they were to zone this area today with the665feetofrailroadtrackage, would they still zone it R-1 and would they con-
sider it to be feasible aJd fair to the property owner. Chairman KrosXin assured;
Mr, Olsen thct not all railroad trackage is, going to be zoned commercial o4,
industrial, as the Zoning Map indicates, and again outlined the procedures that
had been taken in establishing the Land Use Guide Plan in answer to Mr, Olsen's
comment that the lard had been zoned without his feelings or comments being heard,`
Public Hearing was closed at 10:45 p.m.
Commissioner Stewart read a portion from Goals, Objectives and Criteria, Objective
No. S, Criteria 10 covering multiple dwel in`gs;
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MOTION was made by Commissioner Stewart supported by Commissioner Davenport
that the: Planning 'Commission members recommend the following: to the CityCouncil
That the request of David S. Olser, for rezoning from R-1 to R-4 in accordance
with a General Development Plan dated June 11, 1974 be denied for the followingreasons
1), This area is presently zoned R-1 and is guided for LA-1 on the adopted Land
Use wide Plan and a deviation from both the existing zoning and the Guide
Plan would be entirely inconsistent with City Policy,
2) The proposed change is incompatible with surrounding land uses, i..e. single
family residential.
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3) The railroad tracks on the south creates a boondary between the R-4 ZoningDistrictandthepresentR--1 Zoning on the site.
4) An increase in density of this nature could create an increased load on
Public facilities beyond community desires and/or capabilities inasmuch as
a very large R-4 District exists directly south of the site,
5) The change could adversely influence living conditions in the neighborhood,
discourage improvement of adjacent properties and be considered the grant-
Ing of a special privilege to an individual.
Chairman Kroski n agreed but stated he did not total Iy agree with Staff's Report
in Item 5, that this would discourage improvement of adjacent properties, and
al so to Item No. 2.
MOTION was made to AMEND by striking Item No 2 and amending it to indicate that
we have more than enough R-4 Zoning in that general area.
AMENDMENT CARRIED All in favor AMENDMENT CARRIED
MOTION. was made by Commissioner Steuart supported by Commissioner Davenport to
amend Item Pi.. 5 by deleting the words "discourage improvement of adjacent
properties
AMENDMENT CARit'IXED` All in favor AMENDMENT CARRIED
MOTION CARRIED AS AMENDED All in favor MOTION CARRIED
This completed the Public Hearing items at 10-.-55 p.m,
New Business;,
A-30? JA KIE /ANN FfiAIR STYLIST$, IN., A-302
Mr,' John Bergly introduced, this request, -tating the petitioner, John Spilane,
Jr., intended to operate a beauty shop i' -K present small vacant building
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located at 3510 Kilmer bane, A B--3 P14tript, whfch allQws thrts type of operation
by Ccridttlonal' 0se Permit, under "other business, activtties of a similar nature",
Staff recommended approval subject, to the approval of a site plan including 'hand-
scapi;ig•, definition of parking areas and general cleanup "n the grounds, etc,
John Spil ane, 2715 Val e Crest:, Crystal , MN, , Presi'dent of Jackie Ann hair Stvl fists,
Inc.,, was present. He, statedthe ne,4 owntrs, VAiam Ga,tsky, had indicated they
were going to operate a ,shop In the larger building and had talked 4bout upgradingtheentiresite. Mr, Spilane stated they planned to have three or four employees
in their shop-.
Commissioners expressed concern over parking on thi. small portion of the larger
lot with no site plan available. Discussion was had covering the possibility of
deferring until they came in with a site plan, but petitioner has a time problem,
having to move out of his present location in Midland Shopping Center on August
15th, Commissioner Stewart suggested that if a site plan was presented, Staff
should bean in mind Mr. Gatsky's consideration for upgrading the whole proper,,,
MOTION was. made by Commissioner Stewart supported by Commissioner Davenport Uat
the Commissioners make the following recownendation to the City Council:
That the request of Jackie Ann Nair Stylists, Inc. fora Conditional Use Permit
to operate a Beauty Shop at 5510 Kilmer Lane be approved subject to the approval
of a Site Plan by the Planning and Engineering Staff with particular concern
for landscaping, parking: setback (15 feet), parking definitions and signs..
MOTION CARRIED All in favor MOTION CARRIED
2' ONTAENTAITO kConditional Use Permit
Mr. Oohn Bergly introduced this request, GRO Corp., owners of the 'building at
9100 - 10th Avenue North, which is a multi -tenant building, have a lease with
Continental Tool and Engineering Co. to operate a, tool and die operation in
3.500 square feet of the building. The company manufactures dies for plastic
injection molding. Staff recommends approval of the request subject to the
condition: that: no outside storage of waste or iraterial be allowed as part of
this operation,.
I Palmer J. Kvalness, with GRO Corp., was present, and stated he had no particular
comment an they were aware of the Staff`s report and agreed with the condition
that there would be no outside storage of material in connectie with this
operation.
To Commissioner Davenport's question about a sign, Mr, pale stated there had
been no sign request.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Davenport supported by Commiss7oner Stewart that
the CommIssioners recommend the following to the City Council,,
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That the request of- Continental Tool and Fngineeri'ng Co;,, for A Conditional UsePerritittcoperateatoolanddieoperationat9700 = 110th Avenue North be
approved,, subject to the condition that no outside storage of waste or, materialbeMowedaspartof, this operation;
MOTION CARR1`Ep Al I •in favor MOTION CARRIED
A-311 GRO Corp. Candi tfonal Use Permit
Mr. John Bergly introduced this request also, the petitioner is the same as in
the previous request and covers. another ;se on, a separate portion '-f this samesite. Presently there is a great deal of storageon the parking lot and in thesetbackareaforthebuilding. The proposal before the Commission is for approval
of the operation of a storage area on. the lot which abuts the Wilding The lotisverydeep, low land to the rear with large trees between the two, areas, TheWildingwhichispresentlyoccupiedisanon -conforming use in an -1 District and
will be phased out in time. The pipe in question is new steel pipe used by one
of the tenants of this multi -tenant building, who is a steel pipe distributor,
Mr. Falmer J. Kvalness, of GRO Corp., was present representing the petitioner.
Mr. Bergly confirmed that thisip p,. storage as presently conducted is in violationoftheConditionalIlsePermit, which Mr. Arthur E. Hinnenthal co-owner of GRO
Corp,, wta was also r.•esent, stated waste reason' or t e request. The BuildingInspectorhadbeenoutthereandhadsuggestedthischangebemade. Mr. Hinnen-'
that stated the economic situation at present is what: brought about thL- problem.,
the tenant finds it naessary to purchase the pipe whenever he can get t in
order to have it available when he; :gets an order.
Much discussion was had on this problem as the City's policy has not been to allow
outside storage of materials., Also discussed was the topography, the natural
growth of trees., etc. t,) block the view from the two houses nearby. Types of
Fencing was discussed, the steel fence as proposed, with or without plastic;
stripping, vs. natural redwood type fen:e, etc. Mr. Hinnenthal stated the company
already has possessfon of about 100 feet of 8 foot high chain link fencing whichtheyproposedtouse. Mr. Hinnential assured the Commissioners the material
stored in this fenced -in area would not be visible above the height of the fence.
Mr. Hinnenthalwas agreeable to the suggestion that a time limit be placed on the
Conditional Use Permit to be reviewed at that time and if necessary,, to construct
a building in which to store the material
MOTION was made by Commissioner Stewart supported by Commissioner Davenport that
the Goaxnissiovers make, the following recommendation to the City Council;
That the request of GRO Corp, for a Conditional Use Permit for a fenced open
storage yard at 9710 - 10th Avenue North be approved subject to the followingconditions.
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I) The stora e .yard within the fence .be s fac dgure with an all-weather dustproaf
surfa:e.
2) The fence enclosing the north, west and south sides of the storage area
be a six-foot high chain link fence with colored plastic stripping to con-
ceal the stored materials from the residence and from adjoining property.
3 All open storage on the site of the principle building be removed from
setback areas and parking lots.
Coumissioners agreed that they would prefer an eight-foot Fgh fence in. this
case, and since the petitioner already has such a fence ava labl'e, a variance
could be granted to allow the use of the eight-foot fencing.
MOTION TO AMEND was made. by Commissioner* Davenport supported by Commissioner
Stewart that Condition 2 be amended to read an "eight-foot high chain link
fence" instead of "a six-foot high, chain "link fence", and that a variance be
granted to permit the use of the eight-f-bot fence.
MOTION TO AMEND CARRIED All in favor AMENDMENT CARRIEA
MOTION TO AMEND was made by Chairman Knoskin supported by Commissioner Stewart
to add a fourth condition: that this Conditional Use Permit is to be reviewed: in two years.
Cnalrm anKroski n stated he would like to have the s condition added so any viola-
tions not resolved could be reviewed and also to discuss the desirability of morepermanentstoragefacilitiesiftheneedstillexists. Also the Building
Inspector should be directed to make periodic inspections of this sits=_ to be
sure all materials are withib the storage area.
Mr.. Hinnenthal agreea to this as the tenants' lease is for two additional years
and any problems could be handled at the tine they lease comess up for renewal.
MOTION TO AMEND CARRIED All in favor AMENDMENT CARRIz D
MOTION AS AMENDED CARRIED All in favor MOTION CARRIED
A-30.PR TH B P IST CHURCH Conditional Use Permit Renewal
Mr. John Bergly introduced this request, which is a request to renew the Condi-
tional Use Permit to continue to use the classrooms for-temporaryclassrooms. The
classrooms are resting on concrete blocks, which staff felt was not totally
satisfactory from a standpoint of safety during high winds or tonradic condttions.
Pastor Robert d.Terre 12820 - 47th Avenue North, Pastor ,of Plymouth BaptistCurc , was present. Pastor Terrey explained that they were growing and tideded
four classrooms and were considering using trailers, but when, they went to getheirbuildingpermit; the Building Inspector insisted they put up a building that
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met code. They purchased this one building, put in $32,000 in this steel build'-
Ing to mi__>et the cede. Presently they have 80 students, They are using the other itwobuildingsandthenewbuildingand, had 130 students, last year. They are
Continuing to wow anu feel they Beed the building. If a renewal for two years
would bi? grant 4, they would [lave time to raise the building up and put a permanentfoundationunderit - possibly facing it with brick., They would like to have the
permit granted for two years for financial reasons.
The question of some temporary arrangement to secure the building to the groundwasdiscussed, possibly 'With tie -downs thru the block or, as: some mobile homes
have there over the roof and anchored into the ground., Petitioner agreed to
check into this possibility.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Davenport supported by Commissioner Stewart that
the Commissioners make the following recommendation to the City Council
That the request of Plymouth Baptist Church for a Conditional 0 -se Permit to
continue the use of the steel classroom building be approved for a period of
two years, subject to receipt of the executed easement dedicating 60 feet of
street right---of-way as stipulated in Council Resolution No. 73-71,
MOTION CARRIED All in favor MOTION CARRIED
T -374--U D B IS CH R H Conditional Use Permit Renewal
Milton Dale introduced this request, which is for -a renewal of a Conditional Use
Permit to .operate a Day Care Center at 31.20 Dunkirk Lane. The building meets
Codi requirements. The City has h.ad no problems with this operation and there
are no complaints on file.
Rev. Gerald Oas, Pastor of Greenwood Baptist Church,, 3120 Dunkirk lane, was
present. He stated they have been operating for a year and the Center is open
to everyone. On July 1 1974 they were granted an unconditional license by
the State of Minnesota. Rev Oas` concern was whether this Conditional Use
Permit Application is required on a yearly basis and if this is the City's
regular procedure.
Chairman Kroskin informted Rev. Oas that this was the City's po;...y so the use
could be reviewed on an annual basis in the event any problem or complaint
arises.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Davenport supported by Chairman Kroskin that
the request of Greenwood Baptist Church to, receive a renewal of its Conditional
Use Permit to operate a Day Care: Center at 3120 Dunkirk Lane be granted for a
period of one year.
MOTION CARRIED All in favor MOTION CARRIED
PLANNIK COMMISSION MECT1NG MINUTES 18 July 17, 1974
ALNW.Ay A' PR O .G`i'S, INC. A-581, - Conditional Use Permit
Milton Dale introduced this request, informing the Commission that the p:.ti ti ones
was presently located at 14105 State Highway 55 and intended to move into the
Ray -Co Corp. building at the northwest, corner of Xenium Lane and County Road 6,
Their type of operation iequirczs a Conditional Uze Pen -nit for this zoning. They
als-• intend to move the Steeplejack Company, which is a subdivision of Alpana
Aluminum Products, into this same building. The building is leased by Ray Go
Corp, from Carlson Pompanies-.
R. L. La-Bissf niere, Vice President, Alpana Aluminum Products was present, brought
out the 'fa ct-!athey are sub -leasing the building from Ray Go and thus would
have no control over enforcing the conditions listed in Items 2 and 5. The
urgency ofthis request is that the Steeplte ack Co. have to be out of their
plant by August 1st,
Chairman Kroskin reminded Mr. LaBissoniere. that these requests hew -d this evening
would not go before the City Council for official approval until August 5th,
which is after petitioner's deadline. ter, Berg'iy brought out that. the Commmission
could take acti-Vn recommiending approval with the conditions binding on Carlson
Companies to meet these requirements..
Mr LaBi'ssoniere stated that they manufacture "Iuminum products, at the present
time these are stored from time to time in a tru4'.van located in the fenced -in
area,. They do `-*nt)eM to store their materials or products outside as such,
He w,is riot away ;he hard surface parking requirements until they saw the
5taf+' repert ant not sure what could be done about that restriction.
Chairman Kroskin brought out the problems that have been existing under 'Ray Go
operation as follows: there has been tremendous amount of trkffic, also the
access onto County Road 6, a parking problem, and the problem with outside
storage.
Petitioner asked ;f they pit aluminum slats in the fence, iI they would then be
allowed to store materials in that area. Chairman Kroskin Stated their standard
proceduxros were to require all materials be within the building and this was
one of the conditions reco nnended by the Stuff. Petitioner agreed they could
live with the requirement of inside storage for all materials.
Chairman Kroskin asked the petitioner if the Steeplejack Company would be test -
Ing its equipment in the same ,manner as they are doing in their present location.
In that facility their testing equipment extends above the building facade and
Chairman Kros-kin's conc^rn was whether they would duplicate this operation it
Plymouth.. Mr. LaBissoniere stated that he believes it would not be a similar
testing operation but would be on a much smaller scale.
To recap, petitioner stated tnat one firm manufacturjs the basic :gutting drills,
etic, and the other is assembly. S't'eeplejack is a wholly Owned subsidiary of
Alpana, owned by the owners of A7pano. They are desirous of combining office
space into one building.
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Commissioners agreed that if they approved recommending this approval for aConditionalUsePermit, the lessee would have to take tip these pri Wems withthe -owners of the land.
There are presently two accesses on County Road B one :on Xenium Lane and one.
on Annapolis Lane, Staff recommended closing the access on County Road '6 andlimitingaccesstooXenivitiLanetooneaccessdrive.
hr. LaBissoniere stated there are 147 total. Marking spaces on the blacktop area,, Pf titioner stated they could not take the fence down but could park cars, in the
fenced -in area, Mr. LaBissoniere again stated that Alpana could not do anything
about this as they were subleasing the bui.l:ling from Ray Go and asked that the
recommendation be amended. Mr,, Dae statc-1 here was adequate parking available
on, the site but much of this, area ;has been used for storage.
Discussion was held regarding the status of a , nditional Use permit when a build- ing na,rges tenants., The consensus of opinion was that it is the same 4. 1f it
changed ownership.,If petitioner could not live with -he requirements, tie would
have to go back to Ray Go and re -negotiate a new lease.
Considerable discussion was held between Commissioners and the petitioners re-
garding access drives and parking, such as "ooe-,way ingress" and "one-way
ogress""; visitor parking in the front area, with the Commissioners agreeing thatVieeastaccessontoCountyRoad6bedesignated"ingress only" and west access
Onto County Road 6 be closed, and ingress and eipess be allowed on Annapolis
Lane. The use of the south access on Xenium Lane is to be reviewed by the. City
Engineer with respE..ct to clising that access in view of firelanes a;.d snow removal
considerations. 1Z :should be made with the petitioner.
MOT1ON was made by commissioner Stewart supported by Commissioner Davenport that
the Commissioners make the following recommendation to the City Council.,,
That the request of Alpana Aluminum Products, Inc. for a Conditional Use Permit
to operate a manufacturing facility in an I-1 District .be approved subject to
the following cord tions;
I) Additional hard -surface parking be provided for 110 cars. Ordinance
requires 1.85 spaces for a building of 66,000 square feet, the approximate
size of the Rk} Go Building:,
2) The west access drive to County Road 6 be vacated and the east access drive
be limited to one-way ingress only with tate north access :drive allowed onto
Xenium Labe and the south drive closed provided City Engineer grants his
approval.
8) All storage of waste, garbage, raw materials and finished products be
within the building.
4) Any other users of this building requiring a Conditional Use Permit make
application to the City prior to occupancy,
5) Additional 10 feet along; County Road 6 and Additional 20 feet along Xenium
Lane be dedicated 'to the City for righty -of --way purposes.
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i r3 LaBissfti'ere allettioned Condition No. S, stating that the property belongstoCarlsonProperties. Qlmmissiioners indicated that plans were that XeniumLaneisathoroughfareandassuchaccessmustbe 'limited. The question was;
should the Highway Department buy the land or shouid it be dedicated. It wasagreedthatthisrecomircindationwouldstand,
MOTION CARRIED All in favor MOTION CARRIED
A l=ive-ainute recess was, calked at 12;15 a.m. by Chairman KroskinMettirgwasreconvenedat12:20 a.m.
A_ ltCon CRP. CH. SF tFTM C Y 3 Site Plan Review and
Cosiditional Use Permit
Mr. Milton Dale introduced this request of petitioner's to construct a warehouse/
distribution center of 36,000 square feet at the northeast corner of Niagara
Lane and 27th Avenue North. This area is para of the "Circle* Star Busines Center2ndAddition" proposed by Rauenhorst Corp., for which only preliminary #'atapprovalhasbeeng,;,anted. The Finial Plat has not been approved for this devel-
opment and the lot lines do not coincide with those proposed by the developer, which would have to be resolved. Parking may be deficient depending upon the usethepetitionermakesofthebuilding. No signs were udicated on the plan pro--`
po:,ed. Staff recommended the request be deferred until such time as the Final
Plat is; approved for the property.
oat Gannon, }lice P.,resident, AmCoa Corp., was present, and stated they were
n res"t CeinfindingoutifaConditional, Use Permit would be granted for this
Operation on this site and what conditions would be made. If it would not be
approved, they would have tc look elsewhere.
Mr. Bergly informed the petitioner that the City would need specific information
about a particular user for a. particular piece of property in order to consideraConditionalUsepermit. Chairman Kroskin agreed, that the Planning Cofrmissionwoundhavetohavesomethingdefinitiveinordertoactonarequest. One of the
contigencies of purchasing the property is whether or not they would get a permittooperateatthislocation. Mr.. Dale pointed out that Rauenhorst Vorp. received
approval of a Preliminary Plat and this request in effect is a change in that
Preliminary Plat- which rust be worked out before approval is granted. The Com-
missioners were in agreement that it was pretty difficult. to even consider this
proposal without Final Plat approval
Robert Anderson, representing Chase MOals Co., was present and stated their
p^e'sent e aTseexpiresNovember30thandthustheurgencytoknowwhetherthis
operation would be approved. If it would not be approved, they would have to
begin looking elsewhere immediately.
M-,. Bergly stated he had checked with the surveyor for Rauenhorst and was of the
opinion that `L.oey would be corning in with the final plat for approval i n a fewdays.
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Mr4 Anderson explained they have 17 employees working in the n,,Ai n j, ort%on oftheirbusiness, which is first Line manufacturing, sawing, shearing and slitting, and later on some cutting. The problem of parking spare was discussed, which
seemed adeq,xate for the needs as outlined by Mr. Anderson, but was questioned
regarding the future and what would happen if Chase Metals moved from the site.
Commissioners also suggested that more landscapinn be shown.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Stewart supported by Commissioner Davenport
that the Commissioners make the fallowing recommendation to the City Council.
That the request of AmCon Corp. (Chase Metals Co, as tenant) for Site Plan
Approval and a. Conditional Use Permit he deferred until such time as a Final
Plat is approved for the subject property.
In the meantime Commissioners suggested that the petitioners get in touch with
the Staff to work out details and then put pressure on Rauenhorst to get the -it
to _'come back in with a Final Plat in time to get on the next Agenda.
MOTION CARRIED All: in favor MOTION CARRIED I
A -M UNCLE JOHN'S FAKILY RESTAURANTS X1-15 Site Plan Review, Variance
Rc-quest, Conditional Use
PL,-mit
Commissioner Stewart said that for the record:, he would not take action on this
request as his company may be involved with this petitioner at some time in the
future Since this was in informalhearing and not official Planning Commission
action, the other Commissioners welcomed his comments anyway.
Martin Ubedoff, representing Uncle John's Family Restaurant, 4004 Li, 78th St,,
stated be purchased the land himself, bu"ld the restaurant and then lease the
facili"ies to Uncle John's. Mark Shimamoto, Designer for Midwest Planning andResearch, Inc., 21.01 HennepinvC enue, was also present.
Milton Gale introduced this request, The land involved is a small triangular
piece at the intersection of Annapolis Lane and Highway 55, to an area that is
Zoned I -I:. There are two areas of concern, i,e. one was the insufficient area
for parking for that type of use proposed, and the other concern was the appro-
priateness of the use, Staff recommended denial of this request.
Mr, Lebedoff replied to the Staff report that they felt this use was appropriate
ins this area because if the Industrial :Park was not there, they would not be
interested % this site, and that their customers, would be drawn from the Indus-
trial Park,. He mentioned several operations in other communities located in
industrial districts which have been successful.
Mr. Shimamoto stated he and the firm he represents have wnrked on a number of
similar types of operation, such as in Edina Industrial Park, and others.
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Corimissi'oner Stewart mentioned that about two years ago a study was made of -fast
food operations in an industrial park and about 80 percent of the peoplefavoredasitdowntypeofrestaurant,
Mr Lebedoff stated their plan is for 72 parking spaces for 166 seating capacityand: felt the parking was adequate but they were asking for a variance into the
setback in order, to get the 72 parking spaces on this site.. If the variance
would not be allowed, there would be insufficient parking. With the 50 footsetbac,k enforced, this piece ,of proper# would be too small to be suitable for
anything;, They had tried to buy some adjacent land from Carlson Properties but
were unable to do so, Chairman Kroskin reminded t)e Commissioners that. the/
did adhere to the setback with Radisson and thus. it would be difficult to justifyavarianceonthissite.
The other concern iiscussed was whether this eras ;a valid service for the
Industrial Park. Mr. Lebedoff stated their .records indicate: they do two-thirds
of their business, before 3:00 in the afternoon, basically a breakfast and lunchtrade, Saturdays and Sundays they get a lot of off -the -street customers,
shoppers, churchgoers, etc, but at that time they are riot serving the industrialparkwhichisusuallyclosedontheweekends.
Mr. Lebedoff argued that with further taking for the street right=of-way and
with the setback, the a-,,ailable land space would be too small for any purpose: Mr.. Bergly pointed out that the whale .area is set up on one -acre sites with the
50 foot setback but that is the smallest size allowed in an industrial park,
Mr. Shimamoto stated they had consideredseveral other designs for this site
but the one proposed seemed to be the most desirable overall.
MOTION was mage by Commissioner Davenport supported by Chairman Kroskin that +
the. Commissioners make the following recommendation to the City Council
That the request of Uncle John', Gamily Restaurants for a Conditional Use Permit
and a Variance to the City Ordinance to allow the development of a restaurant
at the southeast co,ner of State Highway 55 and Annapolis Lane be denied for
the following reasons:
1) The, variance request of a parking setback of 15 feet and 8 feet where a
50 f`)ot setback is required is inconsistent with past City policy in
granting variances where a real hardship exists, In this, case, other
uses for the site and/or an expansion of the site are possible alternatives:
2) The proposed use is questionable in an IL-1 District where the ZoningOrdinancedoesstate "retail and service establishments essential to the
operation of an 1-1 (Planned Industrial Business) Dist-^ict and providing
goods and services which are-'Amarily for the use of persons employed in
the District", (See Section 15, Subdivision 3, Paragraph 2, City ZoningOrdinance).
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES 23,. July 17, 1974i
Petitioners were reminded that this was only a recommendation and the matter
would go before the City Council on August 5th for their action,
MOTION CARRIED (2-0-1) (Commissioner Stewart abstaining) MOTION CARRIED
New Business Items were concluded at 1:05 a.m.
Old Business
T:373 Be M R BUI QERS, IRR A-373 Final Plat (Hardshells)
Hardshells for "BelMar"s Industrial Park" were presented for signature cf
Chairman Kroskin but it way not wertain if they had been checked for accuracy.
Commissioners felt this should be 'done before the Chairman signed the hardshells,
A-x.31. ECKLOND-SWEDLUND N E BUIL ERS,, INC. A-131 Final 'Plat Hardshells)
Hardshell.s for "Imperial .Hills Annex" were presented for signature of
Chairman Kroskin but it was not certain that they had been checked for
accuracy. Commissioners felt tnis should be done before the Chairman signed
the hardsheils.
L ND REN BROTHERS CONSTRUCTION CO. -SFinal Plat (Hardshell
Commissioner Davenport stepped down from taking action on this matter as his
father-in-law was involved with the petitioner in the purchase of a site in.
this development.
Hardshel s for "Fairfield Estates" were presented for signature of Chairman
Kroskin,
MOTION was made by Commissioner, Stewart supported by Chairman Kroskin that the
Chairman be authorized to sign the hardshells on behalf of the Planning
Commission
MOTION. CARRIED, (2-0-1) (Commissioner Davenport abstaining) MOTION CARRIED
No reports of Officers, Boards or Committees.
Action was deferred on the approval of minutes from the June 5, 1974 meeting.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Stewart supported by Commissi'onar 'Davenport to
adjourn the meeting,
OMeeting was adjourned at 1:15 a.m.
APPROVED BY PLANNING COMMISSION August 21, 197 .
Re Kroskin, Chairman P outs Planning Commission
Mi one,, Plymou a nng Community Development