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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 02-06-1974PLANNING COMMISSION CITY OF PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA February 6, 1974 A regular meeting of the Planning Commission was called to order by Chairman Kroskin at 7:45 p.m- in the Council Chambers of the Public Works Building, 12900 23rd Avenue North.. MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Kroskin Commissioners Harden, Threi'nen , Johnson, and Stewart MEMBERS ASSENT: Commissioners Erickson; and ,hajka STAFFPRESENT;, Martin Overhiser, Milt Dale, Lou Tiber OTHERS PRESENT: Councilman G. Neils IA 7W Plymouth Oil Co. - Site Plan A-543PLYMOUTH OIL CO Site Plan Review Milt Dale' explained the request of Jim Hay for a Conditional Use site plan review, Conditionaloval Use Permit and Permit variance for the construction of a Butler metal building approximately 40 x 125 x 14' high on a 0.58 acre site to be used af. a service station. The petitioner plans to remove the existing building and replace with a proposed eight -stall garage to employ a maximum of eight mechanics Petitioner Hay elaborated on his: future growth plans and variances requested including a 35' front yard building setback, 70' sides yard parking setback, 1 parking space and no front yard parking setback due to the number of feet required for 'County Road 18, Commissioner Stewart requested landscaping on the north side of the site become a part of the petitioner's site plan Commissioner Threinen expressed concern over a maximum of 19 parking spaces in view of the fact there could possibly be several vehicles parked awaiting service in addition to those driven by employees alone. Planner Overhiser stated that a detailed sign proposal was not submitted with the site plan. He stated in his opinion the most critical item in question is the metal construction i Planning, Commission Minutes 2- February 6, 1.974 of the .building which the Building Inspector felt xwould have to be sprinkled to moet the State Building Code. The petitioner should also give some consideration to reducing the size of the, building. Commissioner Threinen requestedthe City Engineer evaluate traffic flow at this particular intersection before possible traffic congestion might be created thru expansion of this facility; MOTION was made by Commissioner Stewart, supported by Commissioner Threinen that action be deferred until petitioner revise his site plan to include the following. 1)` Redesign building to meet all Zoning Ordinance Require- ments, State Building Code Requirements, and use more permanent construction materials such as block and brick rather than metal building. 2) That a more detailed plan. for signing be submitted. 3) That a much more detailed landscaping plan including landscaping materials be shown on the north side of the site 4) That no variances: be allowed for building or parking setbacks or for signs. MOTION TO DEFER/ Motion carried, all ayes. 5-0 Carried 28 :] Mapl edal e I A-528 MAPLCrDALE Progress Report Planner Overhi ser ;^ead from the last paragraph of the staff report dated January 30, 1974 regarding the proposed shopping center located at Co. Rd. 10 & 494 at the border ofMaple .Grove and Plymouth. The staff would not recommend consideri nit this matter again until such time as the Maple Grove traffic consultant has submitted his review; Maple Grove, the County and P,ymouth staffs arrive at a proposed location for Co. Rd, 61. and until the extent of the area to be possibly served by Maple Grove with utilities is studied. The Staff will continue to work on these items and will report back to the Planning Commission and Council as additional progress is made. Planning Commission Kinute$ - 3 February 6, 1974 Zoning Ordinance to Permit PUD in All Districts Except R-O(AG-I Dl Planner Overhiser handed outt a revised draft and explained the changes made as a result of Planni:ng Commission discus- sion and City Attorney review. Attorney Lefler felt that some of the facilities listed such as churches would not primarily serve residents of the PUD, This has been; rewritter, to say, in effect, that only the office or commercial uses must be intended to serve primarilytheresidentsofthePUD. Under Paragraph 6, Item, h was added to 'require bonding. In conversation prior to this meeting Commissioner Erickson had conveyed his general agreement with thea purpose and intent of the proposed ordinance changes, but does recommend changingtheword 'informal' neighborhood meeting to 'informationall neighborhood meeting. Commissioner Hagen stated he felt the requirement for bondingforallproposedimprovementspriortoallowingadeveloperto begin even grading would wori; a. hardship on the developer. Frequently after a project is approved, it take some time to come up with bonding to be set. During this time, possibly90days, a developer may want to construct his models, and this would have to be at his own risk. Also, the requirement of bonding, Item 6 c. is normally covered in the Development Contract. Councilman Neils reported there have been a number of cases where grading permits have been issued for land preparation prior to Building Permits, as the code does permit the issuance of grading permits. Roger Fazendin stated he believes the ordinance as written to require bonding would create considerable. problems for many people, including staff, as to review and 'watth-dogging' . MQTION was made by Commissioner Hagen, supported by Commissioner Kroskin that Page 49., Section 6, Paragraph (c) and (h) of the draft be eliminated because they should be a part of the development contract (Item b). Motion carried 5-0 MOTION CARRIED Planner Overhiser stated that the outcome of the Shoreview case testing the legality of the required membership in ahomeownerl $ association of succeeding parties beyond the fl),st sale will be learned before the Council considers the amendment. Planning Commission Minutes - 4 - February 6, 1,974 MOTION was made by Commissioner Hagen,, supported by Commissioner Stewart that the Planning Commission recommend the ,adoption of the Revised. Draft of the PUD Amendment to the Zoning Ordinance, Subdivision 1, Section ZU., subject to the noted changes: Motion carried 5-0 MOTION CARRIED Assoc. of Free Lutheran Con re anionsl T-462 I REZONING R-4 to R,-1 Planner Overhi,ser referred to correspondence from this group dated 2/6/74 and letter of sane date from him to Pastor Snipstea:d. The Association of Free Lutheran Congregations has written thattheycan't approve of the proposed rezoning. The letter' from Planner Overhiser explained the City of Plymouth was not seeking their approval in this matter, but merely advising them of the action proposed by the City. A public hearing was held Deo;ember 5, 1975, and the Staff v recommended that the property be rezonea from R-4 to R-1 and a Conditional Use Permit be approved for the operation of the Bible College. MOTION was made by Commissioner Hagen and supported by Commissioner Stewart that the rezoning of Tract A Registered Land Survey #606 from R-4 to R -i be recommended f)r Council approval and that a conditional use permit be granted to the Association of Free Lutheran Congregations to operate a Bible , ol'l ege and seminary with dormitory facilities., Motion carried 5-0 MOTION CARRIED Public Hearing f6r Amendment. tote Lan , se Gu e Pl an for the Area Between Co. Rd. 9 and 49t4 Avenue West of Co. Rd, 18 (AG -II Bbd MOTION was made by Commissioner Hagen, supported by Commissioner Stewart that a Public Nearing be held for March 6,. 1974 for an Amendment to the Land Use Guide Plan for the Area Between Co. Rd, 9 and 49th Ave. West of Co. Rd: 18. Motion carried 5-0 MOTION CARRIED Planning Commission Minutes -- 5 - February 6, 1974 Commissioner Hagen suggested something be done about the misunderstanding of the: useage: of the term 'highway service', He suggested we delete all 'highway service' wording andreplacethistermwitha 'service business' designation, in the Land Use Guide Plan, as most persons believe this to mean service stations or car dealerships. Commissioner Threinen said the neighborhood concept is a sound basis for the Comprehensive Land Use Guide Plan and should be retained and not remove some undesi'reable commercial uses from one driving neighborhaod and put, them in another where the opposition is not so strong. Commissioner Stewart reported it is his opinion the area southof49th Ave. Flo, will be a residential neighborhood unsuitable for highway, service, including, automobile sales or anything listed under highway service, in spite of proposed buffering, Highway 18 and the service roads. In view of the types of site plans we have approved, suchasNorthwesternBell, Rockford Ponds, which is to be a neighborhood shopping center, this existing and proposed neighborhood should not include highway service, Planner Overhiser explained that during discussion of the Draft Zoning Ordinance this matter of terminology came up. B:-1 was to be Office Limited. Business, B-2 was titled HighwayServiceBusiness. It was decided to strike the word highwayandcallitServiceBusiness. Highway Service should also be changed to Service Business on the Guide Plan to prevent undue citizen concern that these uses would be all service stations and car dealerships. Chairman Kroskin read from the present Zoning Ordinance that, the 8-3 Service Business District Is designed to: furnish the areas served by other retail business districts with a wide range of services and goods which might otherwise be incompatible with uses permitted in the retail businessdistrict. This district is intended as a business district which may be located in separate areas adjacent to shopping centers and thus help keep the basic retail areas compact and convenient." Councilman Neils reported that the existing B-3 Districts have almost always constituted a problem district once zoned B-3, i.e... the Snyders Lake area, Ki1irer Lane, 55 & Dunkirk, have been less than desirable proposals for the use of the districts. The Northwestern Bell site will be one of the better looking developments in Plymouth, and; that was one of the reasons the Council did not want B-3 Planning Commission Minutes February 6, '1974 type uses there. Also, the City Attorney advises that the burden of denial to a petitioner for a conditional use permit rests with the City to prove +61-+ under the current Zoning Ordinance the proposal would `._ `inconsistent. It is also important to list locational r" iteria for some of the conditional use permits when you are dealing with conditional uses under the ordinances, 140TION was made by Commissioner Threinen supported by Commissioner Johnson that the map dated 1/16/74 showing' tho highway service area on the north side of Co. Rd: 9 adjoining Rockford Ponds be the map proposed at the public hearing. AnAn amendment to the previous motion was rade by Commissioner Stewart, supported by Commissioner Threinen that the map submittedfor public hearing in relation to Co, Rd, 18 and 9 is predicated on the basis of the proposed Draft Zoning Ordinance, Motion was carried 4-1 with Commissioner Hagen voting: nay, MOTION CARRIED ReMw Council Proposed Zoning Ordinance Amendment's Regarding~ Si ns, Site Plans and General Development Plan ArC I Dm MOTION was made by Commissioner Stewart, supported by Commissioner Hagen to amend the present ordinance regarding political signs to read as follows: Political signs may be parmitted for a period of not more than sixty (60) days before and ten (l O) days after an election, Political signs may not exceed 360 sqi inches per lettered material, and a proper disclaimer must be posted on the sign. Political signs shall' conform to this ordinance with permit, fee and setback requirements waived Motion failed 12-3, Commissioners Stewart and Hagen writing in favor, MOTION FAILED Planning Connission Minutes .. g . february, 20, 1974 6, That the Development Contract establish the park timetable for its development to be with the completion of Merrimac Lane, 264th Avenue and 27th Avenue North. Dickman Knutson said he is confident the pond could be rearranged. so that the park land could be considerably largur by moving the .pond to the east, Commissioner Schneider stated there was considerable concern by residents to the south in :Sunny Acres that the proposed plan to raise the land could create a drainage into the back yards of existing homes and suggested some stipulation be made concerning drainage back into the pond. Mr. Knutson stated that the elevations on these lot, would be such that no drainage problem would occurs MOTION was made. by Commissioner Erickson, supported by Connissioner Stewart to amend (3) above by a(Ai, g the following: and ollowing" and consideration for handling surface drainage in Sunk Acres Addition by some means t.;t prevent flooding." Motion, as amended; carried unanimously, MOTION CARRIED 3 Bel -Mar Builders, Inc:. [__A -__P BEL -MAR BUILDERS, INC. Chairman Krotki n stepped down for this matter, and Preliminary Pkat Approval Commissioner Threinen served as Acting Chairman. NOTION was made by Commissioner Davenport, supported by Commissioner Threinen that the request of Bel -Mar Builders for Preliminary Plat Approval for "Belmar's Industrial Park dated January 23, 1974 be approved subject to the following conditions 1) That 10 foot utility and drainage easements be shown along all property lines on the final plat,: 2) That a temporary cul-de-sac easement be granted at the south terminus of proposed Cheshire Lane. (See Staff Proposed Plat Circulation Plan) and Cheshire Lane be paved south to serve Lot 1, Block 11 or that the developer be required to post bond for such improvements in the development contract. 3) That the recommendations of the: Park & Recreation Advisory Commission (2-7•-74) to accept cash payment be consideredto satisfy the park dedication requirements. i planning Commission Minutes, February 6 1974i GENERAL DISCUSSIONS Safety Valve" Councilman Neil's stated that he and other Councilmen believe that the Planning Commission should act as a "SafetyValve" between the Staff and the Council. When petitioners are not following the advice and direction of the St,4ff as to. City Ordinances and policies, the Planning Co missiolt should act to reenforce the. Staff position if they agreewiththeStaff, In this type of a situation the Planning Commission would direct tha petitioner to revise his reguesi in line with appropriate City plans and policies. The first item on the Planning Commi+;siva agenda at this meeting was sited as an example. Chairman Kroskin stated that he agreed but did not want this procedure to become a general practice-. He believes that with a full -,time sta`,f that the stiff should be doing all of the detailed review and working with the petitioners to bring their proposals in line with City policies. Before Plymouth had a full-time, Planning Staff, the Planning Commission spent too much time pawing over proposed plans with the developer at the Planning Commission meetings. Tap Detail Planner Overhiser questioned the Planning Commission as to the current information being provided in the PlanningComr-Ossion Agenda Books. The comment iias been made that the reduced maps in the agenda book are ,at times unrea.oable. Following discussion it was agreed that the present practice of reducing the maps in the book form and displaying the large maps at the meetings should be continued, The Staff was requested to make the maps as large and as readable as possible within the Agenda Book. If any Planning Commission member wants more detail than that contained in the Agenda Book, they should contact the staff, Joint Meeting With Council Chairman, Kroski'n stated that the Mayor and Council want to meet with the Planning Commission on February 25, he listed some possible items which might be discussed and asked for additional matters which might be placed on the discussion outline for the meeting, M Well Planning Commission Minutes - - February 6, 1974 MOTION was made by Commissioner Threinen, supported 1/23/74byChairmanKroskin, to accept the Pl anni cq Cor,mi ssi on 17 nesMinutesofJanuaryZ3, 1974 as amended, Motioncarried5-0, MOTION o adjourn,, 11:30 Adjourn APPRQVED BY PLANNING COMMISSION Pabruary 20, 1974, Reg Kroskin, Chairman Plymouth Planning Commission hlarti.n W. Overhiser, Secretary