HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 09-05-1973PLANNING COMMISSION
VILLAGE OF PLYMOUTH, MI-NNESOTA
September 5, 11,,13
regular meeting of the Planning Commission was called to order by Vfce
Chairman Krosx '.n at 7,33 p.m,., in the Council Chambers of the Public Works
Building on Wednesday, September 5, 1573,
MEMBERS PRESENT: Vice Chairman Kroskin, Commissioners Hagen, Thre nen
Erickson, Johnson, Stewart, aid Ma jka
MEMBERS ABSENT: None
STA;F PRESENT: Martin Overhiser, Kilt Dale, Georgia Rehbein
I -A-46-6-1 NW Bell - Plymouth Office Addition 06 NW BELL
The Public Hearing was openedat 7-,35 pm. by Vice Chairman Public Hearing
Kroskin.,
Planner Ov erhiser explained that this re -nest by Northwestern Preliminary
Bell involves a data processing center at the Northwest quadrant Plat/
of 49th Avenue and County Road 18. He stated that the Council Site Pian
had previously rezoned property in this area and did grant a
Conditional Use permit for this use. He indicated that the
proposal before the Planning Commission at the present meeting
involves a preliminary plat and detailed site plan showing
Ondscaping, parking, and location of proposed buildings. Planner
erhiser added. Staff recommends that the two requests of NW Bell
be recommended for approval by 'the Council. sul, t to four conditions:
1. That petitioner provide the Village with a Performance
Bond for landscaping as per landscaping- plan dated
August 10, 1973 prior to Building Permit approval.
2. That proposed identification signs be approved as
shown on the site plan.
3. That the park dedication requirements as recommended
by the Park and Recreation Advisory Commission be made:
part of this recommenda.tian.
4. That Final Plat and Development Contract deal with the
street and utility requirements for this development and
that a Building Permit not be issued until the Contract
is approved by the Village Counc.l
Planner Ovei hiser clarified condition 4 by stating that Council
discussion is necessary on this matter, as utilities to 49th Avenue
are non-existent at this time. He added that the Council will have
to provide a timetable for extending services to this area before
the project is started,
Bob Peterson, NW Bell, indicated he would answer any questions the
Planning 'GommissMion might have
181mmissioner Erickson commented that he believed a variance of 4 feet
would be necessary to allow 100 square feet of sign when the Ordinance
specifies 96 square feet.,
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Public, Hearing closed,,. 7:40 pm,, Hearing Closed
TIOtt was made by Coml,",issioner Hagen, supported by MOTION TO ACT/
mmis.sloner Threinen, and unanimously approved, to zct on this CARRIEDr0oposa,1 at the present meeting.
MOTION was, made by Commissioner Threinen3 supported by MOTION TOCommissionerHagan, that the request of Northwestern Bell RECOMMEND
Telephofte Company for preliminary plat approval of Northwestern APPROVAL/ Bell (Plymouth Offico Addition) and final site plan approval
of a, Data Center be approved subject to the four conditions
outlined by, Staff (gee above), with an addition to condition 2:
That proposed identification signs, with a variance to
allowi100 square feet of s
shown - onthe-si-t—eplan.
gn area, be app.roved as
MGTION carried, 7-0,- CARRIED
A-11-1 Imperial Hills IMPERIAL HILLS ANNEX
Public Hearing opened, 7,,40 p.m. Public Hea,riv,,g
Planner Overhiser introduced the proposal, Stating that Revised
subject area is South of present Imperial Hills between PreliminaryOliveLaneandtheMooneyLakearea. He added that a, Plat
ieliminary plat for this proposal was formerly before the
mmissionj but had been witharawn, by the petitioner.
Staff is recommending that the Planning Commission recommend
approval of the preliminary plat for Imperial Hills, Annex
subject to five r.onditians.
Commissioner Hagen questioned whether the preliminary plat
included all the lots between Peony Lane and the back propertylins 'Planner Overhiser answered that the eal-lier plat did
recognize a proposedja,,rk between Peony Lane and the back lots
on the west ti4e of ivt Lane between Olive and Peony, with
platt-4 lots to the westervi. boundary. As the petitioner's
engineer,. did more research,, it became apparent that the cost
of building, -eces.sary storm sewers and water lines would be
extremely prohibitive. Therefore, Eckltind & Swedlund Home
Builders revised the former preliminary plat to show the 4,5
acre proposed park originally approved for park land as platted
lots, with a 9,4 acre ,park on the west side of the site dedicated
to replace the 4-5 acre site. Plainner Ovcrhisey, statedthat the
9.4 acre park has been reviewed by the Park and Recreation Advisory
Commission at an August 9 meeting at which they recommended that
this land be accepted for park. He added that the proposed park
Will i,nclude a Wooded area and a ball diamond, football field., and
oth.er facilities at the south end.
DickKnutson, rept,esenting Ecklund & Swedlund Home Builders,
Ts introduced end he indicated he woul,d answer questions the
ommissioners, might have.
Commissioner fla,gen questioned the overall, average lot size on t14is
Plannipq Commission Iminates September 5, 1973
Plat,,,, Including the poYtion of. gr,een space, when compared with the
Ordinance requirement' of 1a,,50G square feet, average fur a Residential
Svbdivisjo'n Unit Project. After computation, it was concluded that
46verage lot area, including only 4.9 acres of the 9.4 acre park
9.4 - 4.5 = 4.9),, Would be 1$,570 sqoartj -,Feet.
Commisitoner Hagen as,,,ed if eopditlon I had been discussed with
the petitioner. Mr,,. Knutson answered that It had been agreed, that
Ecklund & Svedlun4 would put in curb and gutter and blacktop ;8th
Avenue to Olive Lane, and would also provide the full cul, de sac
at the west end of 17th Avenqe.
Mr, Donald Johns -on, 18,025 19th', Avenue North, former President of
Imperial HilTi7 R—omeowners Association, questioned where the proposed
cul, de sac Would occur., Commissioner Erickson. explained that the
proposedcul'de sac Wouldd be located in the park area and access
to the park would be off the, cul, de sac. Mr. Johnson stated that
he questions the availability of flat land for critically needed
Items such as tennis courts a ' nd ba.11 diamonds. He stated that
presently Imperial Hills and Oakwood Manor children must cross
Highway 101 to reach Oakwood School, where they can play. He
stated that the pr,oposed park looks fine, adding that his arigi-nal
concern had been that twbe park would consist primarily of the high
or sloping area on Shadyview Circle or 19th Avenue.
Mr. Jerry Furst, 1715. Olive Lane, questioned the location of trees
on the east side and the area of the proposed park and whether they
would be left. Y1r. Knutson answered they would. Mr., Furst then
questioned if the street right of way for 18th Avenue beloriged to
oe Village. Planner Overhiser stated that he was, sure it had not
en vacated, but added, that the Staff would check it out.
Mr. Shenk,, 1725 Troy Lane, complained that hehad received no notice
of this hearing, although he lives right across the street from, the
proposed, plat. Planner Overhiser indicated that An the case of
preliminary plat approval, State Law requires only that, a notice be
published in the official Village newspaper (Plymouth SUN) at least
ten days before the public hearing. However, he added that the
Planning Commission, Staff does routinely notify adjacent property
owners of the proposed plat as well as posting a, sign on the propertyItself. Mr, Shenk stated that the drainage off this property wouldbeInadequateandwouldcausepro6le.ms- Planner Overhisei,- stated that
the Minnehaha Creek Watershed District has been informed of this
request and any approval would be subject, to the recommendations of
that body,, Mr. Shenk stated that unless a proper analysis is done
on drainage from the proposed park, some action would have to be
taken to withhold the project.
Mr. Cavid Mellen, 1635 Troy Lane, stated that he lives within 30 feet
of tF proposecfMproject and did not receive notification. He stated
that thka prime concern he and. several of his neighbors share is drainage.
He state6 that Outlot A of the proposed park retains a lake, 4-6' deep,,
ZOO feet ':ng, and 200 feet wide: due to runoff. He explained that they
are concerned that adequate storm sewers will be put in by the contractor
avoid wet basements every spring—adding that an, adequate storm
ainage system has not been proposed in the past for that corner. Mr. Onutson assured Mr. Mellen that drainage, aspects have been discussed
with the Village Engineer, whose rer-ommendations will be ipcorporate-d
inn the final 'plan,
P ubl ic Hearing closed, B. - O 5 p.m. Hearing Closed
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MOTION was made by Commissioner Threinen, supported by Commissioner MOTION TO
Erick -son, and unanimously approved, to act, on this ' - the ACT/CARRIED
resent meeting,
proposal at
40ommissioner Threinen pointed out that the extension of Pinetree
Pond on the opposite side of County Road 6 is apparently causingdrainageproblemsandquestionediftheVillageEngineerhas
determined that area a trouble, spot with regard to drainage.
Planner Gverhiser stated that no problem is seen in the area of this
proposed plat, He added that the problem, as he views it is that
drainage from this plat goes under County Road 6 into the Pinetree
Pond area --and the construction of an outfall from Pinetree Pond
to Hadley Lake has been referred to the-Minnehaha Creek Watershed,
District for their consideration.
Vice Chairman Kroskin pointed out that during. the public hearing
a pond to the east had been referred to --the extension of Pinetree,
Pond. Commissioner Hagen clarified by stating that the pond referred
to was that on the north side of County Road 6 between. Merrimac and
Olive Lanes and stated that this pond does connect to the Pinetree
Pond,
Commissioner Erickson indicated that the Storm Drainage Plan of the
Village shows the proper storm sewer on this parcel, adding that since
this is Part- of the Village Engineers recommendations, this storm
sewer Willgo in as part of the development of this land., Commissioner
Threinen added that the, Park and Recreation Advisory Commission voted
for this park on a 6-0 margin,
Smmissionen Threinen questioned if any provision has been made for
low/moderate income housing. Mr.. Knutson answered the homes are valued
at $40,000 - $80,000.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Hagent supported by Commissioner
Threinen, that the proposed. "Imperial Hills Annex" preliminary plat
and conditional use permit for a Subdivision Unit Project for
Ecklund and SwedlQnd Home Builders be recommended forcuncil
approval subject to the following five conditions:
I. 17th Avenue Viorth (western end) be platted to show
a cul, de sac at its termination and that 18th Avenue
be extended to Olive Lane, at the developer's expense,
2. That the recommendation of the Village Engineer be
incorporated in the final platting..
3. Fire hydrants be placed in accordance with Village
Engineering Department and, Fire Chief recommendations.
4. That utility and drainage easements of 6 feet along
side and rear lot lines and 10 feet along street right
of way be shown on final plat for each lot,
S. That any recommendations or conditions of the Minnehaba
Creek Waterhsed District or Hennepin County Department
of Public Works be made a condition to Village approval.
MOTION TO
RECOMMEND
APPROVAL/
0 TION carried, 7-0. CARRIED
mmissioner Threinen stated he believed this plat is in accordance-
With ccordanceWiththeComprehensiveMunicipalPlan, with his. only objection being
that, it does not follow the: Council directive of providing some sort
of low/moderate income housing in a development of this nature,
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I A-4984 effell-Enustrand[A-4-23j LOEFFEL-ENGSTRA,ND
Commissioner Erickson announced that he wished to abstain Rezoning R-1 to R-2%
rom the discussion and voting General Development
Plan
Public Hear%ng opened, 8:12 p.m, Public Hearing
Planner Overhiser introduced the proposal, stating that the
petitio;er wishes to rezone an area which is presently an
R-1 Single Family Residential District to R-2 Two Family
Residential District, with a General Development Plan proposed
to be attached to the rezoning request, Planner Overhiser
explained that in a proposal of this nature, if the Village were
to rezone; the property as the petitioner requests, the General
Development Plan would become part of the Zoning; Ordinance and;
any deviation from the Plan would have to come before the Planning
Commission and Council for review. This site is located on the west
shore of Medicine Lake: and is bounded on the north by 28th Avenue,
or, the west by West Medicine Lake Drive, and on the east by Medicine
Lake, Planner Overhiser stated it is proposed to be developed along
the lines of the Chelsea Woods and Tiburon developments. Proposed
density is approximately 3,4 units per acre, which is slightly
higher than that of an LA -1 area of the Comprehensive Guide Plan
pt to 3). The Chelsea Woods development has 3.2 dwelling units
per acre, and Tiburon has 3 dwelling units per acre.
Staff is recommending that the :^equ.est of Loeffel-Engstrand Company
for rezoning from R--1 to R--2 bd recommended for Council approval
bject to the following conditions -
1. That the number of total dwelling units on the 28.5
acres be limited to 80 dwelling: units with 40of these
units to be detached units and 40 to be attached units,
i.e. an overall density of 2.8 dwelling units per gross acre.
2. That petitioner work with Staff and Metropolitan Countil
Housing Staff in providing a't least 10% of tna units within
the project for low and moderate income housing.
3. That the park dedication requirements be based upon the
recommendations of the Park and Recreation Advisory Cowmissio.n.
4. That a public street be dedicated through the project, this
street to connect West, Medicine Lake Drive near 26th Avenue
North to Evergreen Lane.
S. That the street dedication and parkway requirements be
satisfied in the final platting,
Mr. Barry Engen, Site Planner for Loeffe.-Engstrand, provided a slide
presentation. Mr. Engen stated that the natural drainage areas will be
maintained along 28th Avenue North and West Medicine Lake; Drive, with
water and sewer facilities to accommodate the proposal He indicated'
that a major objective is to provide a well-designed environment
capitalizing on activities made possible by proximity to the lake.
A roadway linkage system will connect cluster areas of the development,
4us providing ingress and egress. A private road network will connect
st Medicine Lake Drive with Evergreen Lane and 28th Avenue North,
permitting service access at this point. He continued that the roadway
as it connects with Evergreen would discourage outside residential use
on Evergreen and 20th Avenue North and would encourage use of _West
Medicine Lake Drive.
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Mr. Engen stressed that this proposal involvea only 20% waterproofing+`
of the site, with 80% to be left in its natural stage. Common space
will be owned by the Homeowners Association, Mr. Engen stated that
wo types of homes are proposed, some attached with a 0 lot line, the
others detached with a larger home and larger lot, He indicated the
homes would range in value: from $45,000-$55,000, with 98 dwelling units
proposed to be clustered in groups of 4-7 units per cluster,,
Ms. Mar'orie Hix, 2840 Evergreen Lane, stated that she is very opposed
to t is -leve opment. she indicated that West Medicine Lake Drive is
extremely congested now and. the lake is far too overcrowded at. present
to propose 20 additional docking spaces for boats.
Mrs. John Davidson, 11605 28th Avenue North, stated that they had
Purchased t ear oine one week ago because it is locatedon a long, dead
end street. She wondered if it 'is imperative that EY4rgre.en Lane be
opened. Planner Overhiser indicated that on first submittal, this
proposal did not show Evergreen Lane extended to the south, and Staff
recommended that this be done to provide another oetlet for area traffic_.
He explained that according to Village Subdivisic,l Regulations, no dead
end street should be longer. than 500', and if for some Treason Evergreen
and 28th Avenue as they now exist were blocked a critical safety hazard
would result. He stated that wherever 'possible, the Village tries to
maintain a complete circulation pattern for emergency use and general
circulation.
Vice Chairman Kroskin pointed out that the petitioner does not believe
the, area is conducive to low/moderate income housing due to lack of
convenient public park and recreation facilities for children, yet,
he market analysis provided indicates that this proposal would appeal
to middle-aged or upper -middle-aged. Mr. Engen clarified that the
term 'low to moderate income housing' connotes several things, adding
that the 'Vill,age is suggesting a subsidy housing program which would''
allow young families purchasing their first homes to purchase a home
in the proposed development. Mr. Engen sued that this site would
not be suitable for young families, Vice Chairman Kroskin stated that
if the petitioner is using the criteria of proximity to parks, school
facilities, community, and commercial areas, there are very few areas
that could feasibly meet that criteria;
Mr. Engen introduced Mr. Loeffel, President of Loeffel-Engstrand, Mr.
Webster, Vice -President, and Mr. Leo. Lowe to the Planning Commission.
Mrs-. Lucinda Gorman, 2740 North Evergreen Lane, stated that Medicine Lake
could, not facilitate any more boating, and that the lake will eventually
have to be completely closed to motorboat activity. She added that the
units will have to be small if 98 families are to be accommodated,
Public Nearing closed, 8;46 p.m, Hearing Closed
Commissioner Hagen pointed out that some of the buildings on the
General Development Plan are extremely close to the lot line and added
that only 25 feet exist between the buildings themselves.
Y', lack of MOTION' TO ACT, it was decided by the Planning Commission REFERREDtatthisrotrialbereferredtotheCommitteetteeoftheWholeppmforTO
further discussion September 12, 1573 COMMITTEE
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A-501 American universal/West .Tonka ,Estates AMERICAN UNIVERSAL
Public Hearing opened, 8U48mp.. (
West, TonRa rsta
Public HearingWannerOverhiserintroducedtheproposal, explaining. that
the proposed preliminary plat is located north of County Road Preliminary15andsouthofThirdAvenueBetweenRanchviewandNiagara, He Plat
pointed out that there are, presently two -platted lots in this
area, with the petitioner proposing to plat eight lots, four
fronting on Third Avenue North and four fronting on County Road i:5.
He explained that each lot would. be just over one are, with each
havitig a good share of the back portion of the lot 're,,zerved for
ponding Area required in this area. Planner Overhiser added, that
the Storm Drainage Plan does propose that 'there be a drainage po
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retained' in this area which would consist of some 6 -acre feet of
storage capacity and high water mark of 9`71, with the normal water
level being 9681. He, explained, that some, filling and excavation'
would need to occur in order 'to create this required ponding area. in effect, he continued, thes2, acre lots would be filled back to
1/2 to 2/3 acre of area above the highwater mark. In the past,
this site has been a marginal area for development becattse of the
drainage and low nature of the area.
Staff is recommending that the Planning Commit ion make the
followitig recommendatnon for Village Council c fisideration:.
That the request of American Universal for :r,,proval
of the preliminary plat for West Tonka Estates be
approved subject to the following conditions:
1, That the final plat show 61 utility easements a.long
the side and rear lot lines of each, proposed lot.
2.. That drainage easements be shown on the final 'plat
as proposed in the, Storm Drainage Plan (based upon
a revised grading plan).,
3. That the park dedication requirements as recommended
by the Parks and Recreation Advisory Commission be
made part of this recommenda,"'llon.
Commissioner, Erickson questioned if .0operties would be all fill.
Planner Overhiser answered that the southern part of the lots along
County Road, 15 would have to be filled and the northern part of the
lots along Third Avenue. He tontinued that the Plan did show some,
proposed grading, however, this was somewhat inadequate in relationship
to the ponding requirements and a revised grading plan will be requirt.d.
Mrs. Donna Gustafson,, 435 Orchid, Lane, stated that this area is swampy,
OtF at least four acres being open pond; Planner Overhiser stated that
there would be 6 -acre feet of storage retained as ponding area. Mrs.
Gustafson asked if 'this ponding area would be fenced., '`fanner bverhiser
answered he did not think it would. Mrs. Gustafson pointed out that
this development would increase traffic, already high because of the
existence of the elementary school on Ranchview, by approximately 18 cars,
She wondered if access to the development would be by way of frontage
oads. Planner Overhiser answered that four lots would front on Third
entre North which would provide access,, and the other four lots wouldorontonCountyRoad15, with that Road providing access for those lots.
Mrs. Gustafson questioned acreage for park, Plartner Overhis.er stated
that this aspect will be reviewed by the Park and Recreation Advisory
Commission at its meeting September 6. he indicated that there is a
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possibility that a trail will exist throuch this area, adding that
Village Plans show no requirement for park in the area because of
r1oposed
e existence of the elementary school and Circle Park two blocksstofthisarea, Mrs. Gustafson; questioned the value of the
homes. Planner Ove.rhiser responded that the Village does
not regulate cost of housing. Mr. Dick Knutson, representing the
petitioner, indicated that thehomes are estimated at $37,000.
Mr. Jim Seger, President. of American Universa?, was introduced to
the audience and state.` that the domes would be single -Family,
rambler -type dwellings.
Mr. Bob Swanson, 205 North Niagara Lane, indicated that this is a
neig erhoo, O th several small children, :end a ponding area could pose:
a serious danger to those children,
Mr. Eldor Johnso:t, 1.5420 3rd Avenue North, stated that the little
year o amplin boy should be remembered who drowned in one
ofthese ponds
Public Hearing closed,, g:Ol p..m Hearing Closed
Commissioner. Threinen pointed Gut aspects of this proposal that
need serious consideration:
Would this area still constitute a swamp even if filled?
Where will the water go from the drainage ditch?
The whole parcel is in a flood zrea. What plans insure
that the buildings will not be jeapordized in a 100 -Year
Flood situation?
Safety -- Hoyt will ponding be treated if this is platted
into one -acre lots
For lack of MOTION T4 ACT, 1t was decided to refer this proposal REFERRED
to the Committee, of the Whole for further discussion September TO
12, 1973 COMMITTEE
A-50,4]Beyer Bridgeman A-504 BEV BRIDBEMAN
Planner Overhiser explained that [As. Bridgeman is CUP for Interior
requesting a conditional use permit to operate: an interior Design Counseling
design counseling service from her home on the south side Service
of County Road 24 between Highways '101' and 55. He stated
that Staff recommends that the Planning Commission make
the following recommendation to the Village Council:
That the request of Beverly Pnn Bridgeman to operate
an interior decorating design service in her home
be approved subject to the following conditions:
1 That the conditional use permit be reviewed
on an annual basis,
2; T.tat ,petitioner refrain from advertising her
business by the use of any on-site signing`
3 No on-st:
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was made by Commissioner Threinen, supported by Commissioner
problems would be created because of this service, Commissioner
Johnson,
Threinen questioned if the residence would be altered in any way,
RECOMMEND
gridgeman, answer -ed, It would not. Commissioner Erickson asked
APPROVAL/
any persons wouI6 be employed; 'Mt.. Bridgeman answered no,
approval subject to the following conditions:
MOTION was made by, 'ommissioner Erickson, supported by Commissioner MOTION TO
Johnson, to recommend approval of the conditional use permit RECOMMEND
requested by Ms. Oridgeman subject to the three conditions outlined APPROVAL/
tNy Staff (see above). MOTION carried, 7-0. CARRIED
without addittonal, review.
Welcome Community Home* Inc. A-503 WELCOME COMMUNITY HOME, INC. A-503
CUP Tor Rome
petitioner's receiving a license from the State
Planner Overhiser stated that this request involves
a conditional use permit for educational type living
quarters for 12 retarded children in St. Mary of the
approval of the local and State Fire Departments
Lake Convent, Staff is recommending this request be
approved for Council consideration subject to three
conditions.
That Building and Fire Departments inspect and
The petitioners introduced themselves., Bob Miggins,
Bill Kosky,, and Darrel Danner, all of the Corporatioo,
Commissioner Threinen questioned if the petitioner's plan to
gc beyond housing 12 retarded children. Mr. Miggins answered
that they have to be licensed by the State Department of Public
Realth-, Welfare, and Retardation and this license dictates 11
children as a workable number. He indicated that they may ask
Onr 16 children if the program 'is successful, the Staff trained,
d if the County will permit it. lie indicated that a man and
his wife live in as house parents and one St. Mary's student
lives in Also, operating a program for training the retarded.
A program director, two program assistants, and three morning
attendants are also involved, totalling nine employees,
Vice Chairman Kroskin questioned the age of tile children.. Mr.
Miggins answered that they range from 10-15 years and are mi'Tdly
to moderately retarded (trainable). He stated that the children
would attend school at St. Mary of the Lake or at. the Glen Lake
facility, depending on the ability of the child.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Threinen, supported by Commissioner MOTION TO
Johnson, that the conditional use permit for Welcome Community Home RECOMMEND
to operate a group home for retarded children be recommended for APPROVAL/
Council approval subject to the following conditions:
1. That the conditional use permit be 'reviewed on an annual
basis and that such use is not to exceed 16 childr-nn
without addittonal, review.
2. That the conditional use permit be subject to
petitioner's receiving a license from the State
Department of Mental Health and Retardation,
approval of the local and State Fire Departments
and approval of the State Health Department.
3. That Building and Fire Departments inspect and
have corrected any Code violations in the structure
tha petitioner intendsto use.
MOTION carried, 7-0. CARRIED
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J A -5651J. Rradley Asp- A-505 J, BRADLEY ASP
lanner Oyerhiser introduced the proposal, stating CUP for Woodworking
at the woodworking shop is presently being operated Shop in 1-1 District
one of the Circle Star buildings on 91ef Awnh n -94:1
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Fernbrook., He indicated that this operation had been
discovered in a routine Building Department check as
failing to operate under a conditional use permit required
by the Village for all manufacturing or processing uses in
the 1-1 district.
Staff is recommending that the Planning Commission make the
following recommendation to the Village Council!
That the request of J. Bradley Asp for a, conditional
use permit for a manufacturing use in an 1-1 Pi.strict
be granted subject to the following conditiohSl.
That the petitioner's woodworking shop be brought up
to Code requirements as determined by the Village
Building Inspector,
That the, petitioner's woodworking operation be, subject to
the performance standards as established in the 1-1 ZoningDistrict, especially as it relates to noise, odors, and
dust (See Section 15, Subdivision 8, Paragraph 2, Zoning, Ord i ;ance) .
That conditions 1 and 2 be satisfied prior to petitioner's
continued operation of his woodworking shoo within the I -I
0 District.
Mr. Asp stated he did agree to the conditions specified by Staff, and
explained that his shop processes cabinots and desks, etc. but does
no finishing.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Hagen, supported. by Commissioner MOTION TO
Erickson, to recommend approval of a conditional use permit for RECOMMEND
this woodworking shop in an 1-1 District subject to the conditions APPROVAL/
outlined by Staff (See 1-3 above).
MOTION carried, 7-0. CARRIED
I A-4G 2]Assoc. Free Lutheran Congregations 462 ASSOC. FREE LUTHERAN
CONGREGATIONS
This proposal had previously been, discussed at Planning
Commission meetings in April, July, and August. Thp
petitioner now provides a revised General Develop., Revised General
meet Plan for review. Devr1opment Plein
Staff recommends to the Planning, Commission the following
action:
1. The R-4 rezoning and revised R.L.S. as p,riposed by
the Association of Free Lutheran Congreg&Lions be
recommended for Council approval.
2. That the General Development Plan dated August 16,
1973 as proposed by the Association of Free Lutheran
Congregations be recommended for Council approval
Subject to the following conditions:
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a, A 50 -foot building setback from property lines
be maintained.
b, That the park dedication 'requirements as recommended
by the Park and Rec-reation, Advisory Commission be made
a part of this, recommendation,.
3. That the site plan for the proposed dormitory as proposed
by the Association of 'Free Lutheran Congregations be
recommended for Council, approval subject to the following
conditions-,
a, A P_zrform4nQe Bond for landscapinq, improvements be
placed with the Villageprior to Building Permit
approval.
b. That one of the two parking, lots on the south parcel
be constructed, in conjunction with the building of
the new dormitory.
It was pointed out that the 155 parking spaces originally provided,
had been increased; Mr, Dick Knutson, representing the petitioner,
Indicated that the: number of parle.irig spaces is now 2,38.
Commi.tsioner Threinen, was assured that no lot line problem exists with
this property and the property to the immediate south, Planner Overhiser
clarified that at least a 20 foot setback exists on, the south side for
pear king4rking area.
6„kith 'regard to the southwestern part of the parcel, Planner Overhiser
ated that this Portion will be left in its natural state and has been
added to the, total parcel, with the petitioner resuming the re,,Y.oning
request.
Vice Chairman Kroskin pointed out that tilie petitioner requests easements
for trail use only; Planner Overhiser responded that in the first few
discussions between Pastor Strand and Staff, dedicatio;i of land for
park and trail purposes was considered, Planner Overhiset- indicated
that the Village essentially wants the lakeshore in order to, develop a
trail along the lake --in other words, the, Village wants only to hold
an easement over the property, He added that similar action took place
on the west side of Chelsea Moods along, Dunkirk Lane, with. the Village
holding only a trail easement along that area., Commissioner Maika
wondered whether the trail would be for biking or for pedestrian use
only. Planner Overhiser answered that at the outset it would be for
pedestrian use and would inclijde biking whenever and wherever it could
facilitate that use. He added that at this point, the Village is merely
attempting to acquire.an easement for the trail, and development will
come later.
Commissioner Threinen pointed out that the dori,11tory for married students
existed in the April plan, disappered in the July plan, and exists again
in the August plan,. Mr, Knutson stated that a site plan for this proposal
was approved by the Planning Commission and Village Council four years ago..
He stated that he had advised, the petitioner that if there were even the
Olightest chance of that dormitory ever existing, it should be retained
n the plans because it hadalready been approved. Vice Chairman
Kroskin asked Mr, Knutson to clarify the request for elderly housing.
Mr,, Knutson stated that this aspect of the plan is not intended for
Immediate construction, but offers a retirement dwelling for retired
pastors of the synod, This, like the dorm for married students, had
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been p4lle°d out of the July plan because the petitioners did not
believe it would exist for several years. Mr. Knutsoji added that
awinqs
again advised the petiirioner to keep this concept in the plan
should it ever be required.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Hagen,, supported by Commissioner MOTION TO
Threinen to recommend Council approvalof the rezoning, reviscd. RECOMMEND
R.L.S, and General Development Plan proposed by the Association APPROVAL/
of Free Lutheran Congregations according to Points 7 and 2 (Rezoning,
outlined by Staff above. R.L.S,
Gen. Dev, Plan
MOTION carried, 6-0-1, Commi;,isioner Stewart abstaining. CARRIED
MOTION was made by Commissioner Hagen, supported by Commissioner MOTION TO
Threinen, to approve the site plan for the proposed dormitory RECOMMEND
according to Point 3 outlined. by Staff above, with two addit'i'ons APPROVAL/
suggested by Commissioner Hagen Site Plan
c. A site plan which incorporates the parking lot to
be constructed be approved by the Planner.
d. That the setback Win accordance with the General
Development Plan.
Commissioner Erickson pointed out that the landscaping plan for
this development misrepresents the parking lot area as depicted
on the General Development Plan, Commissioner Hagen stated that
a detailed landscaping plan can deviate from the General Development
Wlanan Commissioner Erickson answered that 'the detailed landscaping
shows placement of materials differently than they are shown
on the General Development Plan, adding that this i's not th.e usual
form in which a site plan is approved.. Mr.. Knutson stated twat
the landscaping plan was intended to be part of the revised site
plan, and, this is where the difference exists, Planner Overhiser
explained that the location of Building #6 on the General Development
Plan is what is to be considered by the Planning Commission for site
plan approval'. He stated: that in this case, a 'Site Plan' drawing as
such was not submitted, but rather a drawing which includes landscaping
plans as the location of the building was shown on the General Develop-
ment Plan. He stressed that Staff has all needed information, even
though it does not exist on one particular drawing,
Commissioner Threinen stated his belief that if the General Develop-
ment Plan has been recommended for Council approval, and if the site
plan ties to that General Development Pian, with Staff bel teving enough
information is available to administer the General Development Plan
and Site .Plan, then any other delay of this proposal for that reason
becomes "dilatory tactics,"
Vice_ Chairman Kroskin indicated he would reLommend a pattern be established
in which there is no deviation from the 'Site Plan' drawing which
indicates exactly what will exist with regard to building locations.,
lot lines, etc. Planner Overhiser stated he agreed and that this
0roposal requires three actions from the Planning, Commission and--
ollowing strict routine --could have come before thr„ Planning
Commission three different times.
MOTION
MOTION, as amended, carried 6ti1-0, with Vitae Ch%irman Kroskin opposed. CARRIED
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General Di sc:uss i on
Commissioner Threinen urged that the Planning Commission consider
14 its nest study meeting the Community Shopping Center EvaluationiteriaestablisthedbyCouncilinarecentResolutionandtheVillagehousingPol-'cy, 4e stated his belies= that the Commission is beingforcedtomake ,judgments based on maps and political considerations, i.e. Market value, estimated value of the homes, will the Centerdrawtenants, etc Commissianer Erickson statedthat market: analysisusuallyexplains 'a need for a certain use, which does have ar effectonlanduseplanning
MOTION was made by Commissioner Hagen:,, supported by Commissioner 8-1573Johnson, to approve the Minutes of August 15, 1973 as worrected. inues' Motion carried, 5-0-2 Commissioners Majka and Stewart abstaining
MOTION to aOjourn 10.53 p.m,
Reg Kroskin, Vice Chairman
Plymouth Village Planning Commission
Martin W. Overhi ser, Secretary
APPROVED BY PLANNING COMMISSION September 19, 1973