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TO: Planning Commission DATE, Februar,.- 21, 1'975;
FROM; Planning Department
SUBJECT: 1-31-73 STUDY MEETINIG `RECOMMENDATIONS AND STAFF RESPONSE
MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Wahl Commissioners T eeinen, Hagen, Kroskin,
Chapman, and Johnson
OTHERS PRESENT: Del Erickson, :Martin Ovethiser
The meeting was called to order bar Chairman Wahl at 7.30 p.m. and the cotmtents
from the public hearings as related to the Four Quadrants (Southwest, hrorthwest
Northeast, and So4thea5fl were discussed
5OUTH1IES, PORTION OF THE VILLAGE
Following a discussion by the Planning Commission, of comments and suggestions
related to tho Southt;rest part of the Village, it was agreed that no changes
in the Land Use Guide Plan as proposed should be made.
NORTHWEST PORTIONOF TTHE VILLAGE
The following two changes were agreed upon for the area north of Highway 55
and west of I-494;
1) Soo Line Industrial r;,Pa - That the area north of the proposed
Soo Line Industrial k rea be shown in an LA -2 category, This LA -2
area would provide a buffer of transition between the industrial'
area and the LA -1 Low Dewlsity area to the north (All in favor except.
Commissioner Chapman) .: Staff concurs with recommended charge.
2) Nom-,t)r Of F'ernbrook Lane And County_ Road 9 - Following discussion
R Jea, it was agreed that the Northwestern Bel l property and
the , roperty sou ,h to County Road 9 should be shown as an LA -3
Residential irea, (All in favor except Commissioner~ Wahl) - Staff
concurs in this recommended change,
NORTHEAST PORTION OF THE VILLAGE
1) Pass Lake Area - The five requests of the Bass Lake Improvement
Association. contained in the January 24,, 1973 public hearing
transcript presented by Virgil Schneider-, Speaker ;,17, were
discussed and it was agreed that the following changes should
be made:
a) The area on the northeast corner of Fuss Lake should be changed
from LA -2 to LA -I;.
b) The area of LA -3 betw-er., the proposed trail and the proposed
LA -2 area should be changed from LA -3 to LA -2
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FEBRUARY 21, 1973:
c) The area on the ttort.east corner of Bass Lake should be
changed from LA -2 to LA -1. (All in favor except Comm,tssioner
Chapman).
The Staff dues riot concur with proposed change b) above because, it is
anticipated that`futttre County Road 61 will be extended between the
LA -2 and LA -3 area along Pineview Lane just south of County Road 10
and that developers of property between future County Road 61 and
1-494 should be provided additional density and flexibility in
developing that property. The Planning Commission might also
consider realigning the trails as shown in the Dass Lake area as
they had expressed concern about the actual location of the trails.
2) Mission Farms - Following a discussion of this area, it was
agree .t a • she area south- of 36th Avenue should be shoran as
an LA -1 atr-',a and not an LA -2 area and that the "LA -3 area west
of Medicir- Lake at about 31st Avenue shnuld be altered. (Al1
Commissiwe,%! in favor) - Staff cone -s i=, thes reco;..oendations.
SOUTHEAST P0:€TTON OF VILLAGE
1) Creekwood Heights Area - Following a discussion - comments made
at the hearings rely{wive to this area, it was recommended that
the LA -4 area: on botA sides of proposed County Road' 61 between
Xenium and lest medicine Lake Drive be changed to LA -1 south of
County Road61 and LA -2 north of County Road 61. It was also
agreed that the LA -2 area south of 26th Avenue and west of
Pineview Late should be changed to an LA -l. area; (All Commissioners
were in favor of this change except Commissioner Chapman);- Staff'
concurs with these recommended changes.
2) Schiebe/Humphrey Are: - Following discussion of the southern property
in Section 35, it way recommende,4 that LA -1 be shown north of the
Honeywell property and that Lion ed Business be designated rather
than the LA -3 area between Honeywell and Cottonwood Lane.. (Commissioners-
Kroskin, Chapman, and Johnson flavored this amendment, and Commissioners
Threinpn and Hage. abstained, while Commissioner Wahl had left the
meeting).
The Staff dc,as not cencur with this recommended change as we do
favor the proposal as shown on the proposed Land Use Guide Pian
held up f'orpublic hearings. This proposed area was discussed
in quite some detail by the Planning Cowaission and Council and
it was the unanimous recommendation of the Council at that time
that the area be shown as was presented on the Land Use Guide Plan.
LAND USE S'&'UD`f MEETING
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FEBRUARY .91, 1573
3) Highway Service Business At County Road 15 And 1-494 w Fo11o ing
iscuss :on of area, it was recommEnde that 't-1he Highway
Service Business area be shown at the northwest corner of future
County load iS and Xenium Lane or County Road 61 and that the
Highway Service as shown on the Plan: be designated industrial,
Commissioners Kroskin, Chapman, dohnsoT, and Threinen 'favored
this change, with Commissioner Flagon abstaining) Staff concurs
in this change.
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1'ehruary 24- 7::00 a.m., Country Kitchen - Land Use Tour
Areas to be studied:
1 Humphrey/Schiebe proposal area;
21 Area at the south end of Redic ne Laky
3 County Roads 10 and 18 Pass Lake area
4, Northwest section and the general area of Peony Lane
5 Soo Line Industrial Area
County Road 9 and I-494 area
7 Creekwood Heights area - 26th, Avenue
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Attachment. Land Use Guide Plan Map
PLANNING COMMISSION
VILLAGE OF PLYMO{iTH, MINNESOTA
February 21, 1973
A regular meeting of the Planning Commission was called to order`
by Vice Chairman Kroskin at 7:40 p.m.. in the Council Chambers of
the Public Works Building on Wednesday, February 21, 1973.
MEMBERS PRESENT: Vice Chairman Kroskin, Commissioners Threinen
Erickson, Chapman, Ha en (arrived 8:20) and
Johnson (arrived 9:00 3
MEMBERS ABSENT: Chairman Stahl
STAFF PRESENT;: Martin Overhiser, Sherman Goldberg, Georgie, Reh'bei,n
1--45 tai l l rams Eng neeri ng 454 WILLIAMS
ENGINEERING
Planner Overhiser -explained that the petitioner is
requesting site plan approval on a parcel of property Site Plan
now exirting on County Road 18. He indicated that the Review
parcel is approximately 2.5 acres, with an industrial use
proposed, in the 1-2 zone along County Road 18. Staff has
reviewed the proposal and recommends approval subject to
five conditions*,
1) The provision of 53 parking spaces (18 parking
spaces shall be provided at the west side of the
building)
2) That a 5 fort parking setback be maintained on
the north side of thp, property;
3) That the Engineer ,approve of the final drainage
plans and that. a Performanc,, Bondbe posted with
the Village to ensure that the drainage plan Is
adhered to
4) That all parking and drive areas be surfaced and
that: a Performance Bond be posted to ensure con-
struction',_
S) That the landscaping plan be installed according
to plans submitted and bonded,
Commissioner Threinen-questi-oned to whom the Industrial Sewer
Connection Application had been made. Planner Ovei•hiser answered:
that Williams Engineering would not be connecting to public sewer,
but mtust make application with the Metropolitan, Server Board for
the Service Availability Charge (SAC). Commissioner Threine.n then
questioned where the sewage would be going. Planner Overfiiser stated
that the petitioneer would provide a septic tank, cesspool, and drain
field system. He added further that the northeast corner of the
Village would require lift station and force main before, public
sewers will be available, CA;,irnmi ssi oner Kroskin wondered whether
Staff had examined the 'proposed private system. planner Over0iser
answered that trie petitioner :4i 11 have to submit percul ati on tests
to the: Building Depirtaent and if the soil is inadequate, the
petitioner will be required to haul in the appropriate soils and
construct his own drain field,
Planning Commission Minutes -2- February 21, 1' 97
Commissioner Kroskin questioned Mr. William Eciff, President
of Williams Engineering, as to projected full, -capacity operation.
He .answered he did not expect to be operating atful l capacity for
a year. Mr. Scoff pointed out that the building would be used
primarily for warehousing of the product f- pre cleaners to air
cleaners used. in farm machinery. He explained that 16,800 square
feet of the building would be used for warehousing, while: two
sets of offices, totalling 8,000 square feet, would also be
provided_.
Commissioner Threinen questioned how many deliveries would be
made per day, as traffic in -this area is :a problem. Mr. EcofF
answered three to four deliveries per week would be maximum.
Commissioner Chapman stated that perhaps two access points
would not be necessary as a circulation pattern would be
established. Planner Gverhiser staged that the subject parcel
is located on a service road and provider no conflict with the
Village Thoroughfare Guide Plan. He stated that this road could
be designated as a collector street, but 'even then the Village
has no policy restricting driveways on collector streets.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Chapman, seconded by Vice Chairman MOTION TO
Kroskin, to recommend approval of t1le site plan subject to the RECOMMEND
five conditions outlined by Staff and an added condition 6) That APPROVAL
no parking be allowed in the 35' setback area;
MOTION was made by Vice Chairman Kroskin, seconded by Commissioner MOTION TO
Chapman, that a condition be added: 7) That the proposed private AMEND
sewage system, be approved by the Village inspector as to adequacy
prior to its installation and be double-checked again after instal..
lation,
Motion to amend the major moti n carried,. 4-0. AMENDMENT/
MOTION to recommend approval of the site plan for Williams
CARRIED
Engineering subject to sever4 conditions carried, 4-0. MAJOR MOTIQN/
ChRRIED
AM -374 Dreyfus - Ay.BIER WOODS A 9 DREYFUS
AMBER MOODS
Manner Overh ser outlined discussion by the Committee of
the Whole with regard to drainage pond calculations and whether
lie east -west street through the project could be extended Revised
vo the east and west with no difficulty, He indicated these Prelimina>>y
items had been resolved at the Committee meeting. Plat
MOTION was made by Commissioner Threinen, seconded by MOTION TO
Commissioner Chapman, to accept the directive of the Committee RECOMMEND
of the Whole and recommend approval of the proposed Preliminary ,APPROVAL/
Prat subject: to the following conditions:
1) The Public storks specifications in a Mtamo of 1-29-73
be adhered to;
That the developer be given a park donation credit
Planning Commission Minutes -3- February 21' , 1973
Dreyfus, cont'd
for the 2.6 acre trail to be donated and that the 'cash
value of 58 acres of land be donated to the Village
for the balance required,
Motion carried, 4-0, MOTION CARRIED
A-449 Walton -,,)rd Rezoning A7449 WALTON FORD
Discussion of the Committee of the Whole was recapped, Rezoning
Commissioner Threinen stating that the proposal would R -O to B-3
destroy the natural buffer by lowering the steep hill.
Commissioner Erickson stated that he believed the proposal
should be viewed in terms of land use and the land as it
exists should be taken into account Commissioned` Threinen
pointed out his bel_ -f that the petitioner'- solution to the
traffic problem - "If they can see it, tfiey can get to 'it
is not adequate,
Commissioner Chapman questioned how approval of the site plan
for Williams Engineering to the south could be justified if this
proposal were recommended for denial.. Commissioner Threinen
pointed out that the southern area had been rezoned, and the
Council Resolution - as he views it - prohibits commercial
rezoning in areas where services are unavailable. Vice Chairman
Kroskin ?pointed out his concern that no allocation .has been made
for sew,rage facilities to provide for customers.
Vico Chairman Kroskin pointed out that after adoption of the 5 -Year
Capital Improvement Program, this area along 18 will be under great
pressure for development.. He stated that the industrial land on
the other side of County Road 18 in New Hope has been long vacant
and suggested New Hope capacity be investigated with regard to
projected plans. Sherman Goldberg, Village Engineer, stated that
Sewer Plan adoption is now underway by the Metropolitan Council,
and during this time the Northeast corner of Plymouth and the
subject area (New Hope and Maple Grove on a permanent and 'temporary
basis) will be studied, He added, however, that for the moment t -he
principal objective is the adoption of the Sewer Plan.
M0TION w ,F ,nade by Commissioner Threinen seconded by Commissioner MOTION TO
EricksL o accept the directive of the Committee of the Whole RECOMMEND
and recommend to the Village Council that this proposal be denied DENIAL/
for these reasons:
l) The proposal is in conflict with the Council ReSoltution
which limits urban development where utilities are not
available, Services will not be provided in this area
for five to ten years a,nd approval of this request would
be permitting leapfrog zoning.
2} Traffic circulation problems in this area are not adequately
resolved at this time.
3) The land as it exists today is not amenable to this proposed
use.
Motion carried, 4-0, CARRIED
Planning Commission Minutes -4- Februzry 21, 1973
A -45S Wheel Center (Northern Holdinfl WHEEL CEN'iER
Commissioner Chapman voiced concern about permitting (
Northern RoldThq)
a use that would generate heavy traffic in a hard -to -reach Site Plan
location. He statedthat this use would be set against a REview
residential area,with one access to the service drive.
He questioned the circulation pattern on the future inter-
change.. Planner Overhiser answered that traffic signals
will be installed at South Shore Drive during 1973..He
stated that eventually the entrance to the Dairy Queen
may be closed (within 6 to 10 years), but added that during
that time signals should be installed at West Medicine L4ke
Drive by the Conoco Station - whl,b could bring 1"he acress off
South Shore Driye tbus moving '0)v a-e.noss points further north
Of Highway 55 onto the frontage oac Commissioner Chapman
questioned where northern traffic v*fld flow. Planner Overhiser
indic-ated this was unknown a-.. this time,
Commissioner Chapman indicated his belief that even if the Village
sets a. condition prohibitinq outside storlage, a business dealinginboats, snowmobiles, mini -bikes, etc. will soon be storing outside.
Planher Overhiter indicated that the Ordinance disallows this. He
added that Mr. Freund, the petitioner, he' pointed our that the
building is 901 deep to provide additional inside storage space
and the bike and sport shop both rent addit. nal warehouse space ti
Plymouth. Mr. Overhiser added that this p.).,nti.al problem will be
monitored by the Village - and if the bu-,iness is frund in violation,
a notice will be issued and the operation will be subject to ticketing
and/or court proceedings f7 the notice is not complied,with .
Motion made by Commissioner CIhapman, seconded by Vice Chairman MOTION TO
Kroskin, to recommend denial of this proposal,with the lot size RECOMMEND
being too small to accommodate a use of this nature and belief DENIAL/
that outside storage will occur regardless of conditions FAILED
specified., Motion failed 1-4, Covimissioner Chapman Favoring
denial.
MOTION was made by Commissioner Threinen, seconded by Commissioner MOTION TO
Hagen, that the dlrectia.e of the Committee of the Whole be RECOMMEND
accepted and the Commission recommend ,to the Village Council that APPROVAL/
this proposal be approved subject to eight conditions:
1) Setback variance of 30 feet from the required 50 feet
for, the 'parking arra on the south side of the building;
2) Parking variance of 60 feet from the required 75 foot
scthqck in the rear yard area abutting the residential
district on the north side of the property,
3) Building setaack variance of 12 feet fr:am the required
75 foot rear yard setback area;
4) That landscaping end berming be providtzalong the north
property line to screen the parking area from the resi-
dential district to fl -e north and that Performance Bonds
be posted;
t, That the identification -sign be atta,rhed to the building;
That the existing billboards on the southwest corner, of
the property be removed;
Planning Commission Minutes -5- February 21 1373
WheelCenter, cont'd
7) That the building b,'e moved approximately 2 feet west
to provide more adequate traffic flaw on the east side
of the building,
That a 30 foot street right of way be deeded to the
Village along the south side of the property.
Motion carried, 4-1' with Commissioner Chapman opposed. MOTION CA'RRUD
Land Use Guide P1 Discussion Recap LAND USE
GUIDEPlannerOverhiseroutline -I the changes proposed in toe Land Use Guide -PLAN
Plan as a result of the special Meeting held; January Sl,, 19-73, and
correlated these changes with the areas to ba viewed during the February
24 Guide Plan Tour. Staff eaction to orbposed changes was also
provided..
Trail Hike,: Report by Jim Threinen
Commissioner Threinen reported that on Saturday:, February 17, he and TRAIL
other members of the Trail Committee had hiked the approx«,nat ely HIKE
six miles: of proposed trail (south of Mapl edel l , along the crest edge
of the woods by Chelsea Woods, running past Gleason Lake to Luce
Line Railroad to the west side of Parkers Lake). He indicated that
this land Is ideal for a trail,
Planner Overhiser indicated that at the February 20 Council meeting
an easement had been accepted from the Workhouse property for a
cross country ski area, He added that the Park Commission has sent
on a recommendation to tfie Village Council for 1973 Funds to be used
for park and trail improvements. He added further that as soon as
the budget is established, Village Staff will be att,emptimg to obtain
easements for the trails.
Day Care Centers & Nursery Schools Setting of Public Hearing
MOTION was made. by Commissioner Hagen, seconded by Commissioner DAY CARE
Threinen, chat a Public Hearing be set to revise the Zoning CENTERS &
Ordinance with regard to day care ce 4.rs and nursery schools NURSERY
k being permitted in churches and publi:. and private schools only. SCHOOLS
Motion carried unanimously. Public Hearing.
Set
MOTION was made by Commissioner Threinen, seconded by Commissioner 2-7-73'
Kroskin, to approveave the Minutes of February 7, 1373. Motion Minutes
carried, all ayes.
Planning mmiss- in Minutes February 21 M 1973
MOTION was made by Comml ssi oder Thre, nen, seconded by Com:ni ss oner 2-14-73
Hagen, to accept the Meeting Notes of 'February 14, 1973. Motion Notes
carried, all ayes.
MOTION to adjourn, 5:02 p,m,,
APPROVED BY PLANNING COMMISSION March 7, 1975
James C. Wahl, Chairman
Plymouth Planning Commission
Martin W. Overhiser, Secretary
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