HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 09-20-1972PLANNING COMMISSION
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Sepeat5er 20, 1572
A regular meeting ofthe Planning Commission was called to order by
Acting Chairman Kroskin at 7:35 p.m. in the Council Chambers of the
Public Works Building on 'Wednesday, September 20, 1972,
MEMBERS PRESENT. Acting Chairman Reg Kroskin Commissioner
Fran Hagen, Bill Heeley, John Roth, and
Jim. Threinen
MEMBERS ABSENT: Chairman Jim Wahl,, Commissioner Warren Chapman
STAFF PPESEN Martin Overhiser, Georgia Rehbein
A-404 Shell Oil Company A-404 SHELL OIL
Planner Overhiser explained that this is the. petitioner's CUP
second request for a Conditional Use Permit to install a car for Car Wash
mash in the third bay of the service station located at the
Northwest corner ofState Highway 55 and County Road 154 (West
Medicine Lake Drive,) He stated that the previous request did
show two drives around the south side and one on the north side
of this structure entering into the one bay. Planner Overhiser
added that the present proposal shotes °,my one drive. He stated
that Shell Oil: has agreed to submit a "atailed landscaping pian
to be approved by the Village.
Mr. John, Dykstra, dealer/representative for Shell. Oil and ass4gued
to the station owned by Mr, Gerald McNeil, stated 'K'hat Shell Oil
is requesting a Permit to put in an overhead door in the rear PROPONENT
of the third bay and a driveway to facilitate cars entering the
hack of the third bay and exiting at the front. He added that
as far as Landscaping, Shell, Oil would like to know what
neighbo" `.,,g property owners would want.
Mr,. Eugene Rogers, 1029 West Medicine Lake Roads stated that he OPPONENT
had bee,,n against the budding of the station from the beginning
due to traffic, fumes, and noise. He stated that if the ,driveway
was widened, it would be wrought within 30 feet of his back yard.
Commissioner Keeley asked Mr. Rogers if this station bothered him
other than fumes; Mr Rogers replied that the appearance had been
bad until they complained, but that basically the fumes created
the biggest objection.
Commissioner Keeley asked runner Overhiser if the original request
had ever gone to Councils Mr,, Overhiser r-eplied that it had and
that it had been denied.
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Commissioner Xeeley made a motion, seconded by . Commissioners MOTION TO
Haagen, and Roth, to re= mend denial of the application, adding RECOMMEND
that he believed the intent had not changed since the fust DENIAL
proposal. Coireissioner Threinen adds- that the topography made
the site difficult to screen and that° he would concur that the
service station should not infringe upon the residents already
living in the area.
Cammi,ssi.oner Roth declared that this building was not built for
the use now being considered fora Conditional Use Permit and that
if the building were to be used as a car wash, traffic should run
in and out the from. He added that he would concur that the use
did net belong there; that B-3 areas allowed car washes but only
if they did not encroach upon other areas.
Mr. Stan Johnson, Shell Oil Engineer, stated that the car waah
would be properly landsca.-Ned and trees would be put in to eliminate
an,,, noise. He stated that this service station is better designed
to house a gar wash than many drive-through facilities and would
be better than. the Standard station just east on 55
Commissioner Hagen stated that he, did not believe the car wash to
be in the hest interests of the residents of the area.
Motion to recommend denial to the Village Council was voted upon MOT109
and carried unanimously, -5-0-0.,CARRIED
A-424 Mervin W. Sw;gart A-424 MERVIN A. SWIGAR"
CUP for Black
Planner Overhiser introduced the subject, explaining that Dirt Operation
there was an excavation operation permitted on this property
in 1966. He stated that black dirt was piled up and the
petitioner wishes to sell or dispose of this, black dirt on
the east side of the ditch. Staff recommendation is to
recommend Village approval of a Conditional Use Permit to
sell, black dirt from Parcel 3210 of Section 17 sub ect to
the following
l That no additional excavating be permitted without
additional Village approval;
2 That a Performance Bond be posted with the Building
Department to insure that the land is Left in a
useable condition when the black dirt sales operation
is completed
Commissioner Keeley questioned the original intent of the dredging
Planner Overhiser stated that intent was unknown. Acting Chairman
Kroskin noted that junk cars had been accumulating on the property
and added that if the Commission were to recommend approval of the
request he believed this should cease. Mr. Swigart, the petiti.oner,.
assured the Commission that this could be done,
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Commissioner Keeley male a motion, seconded by Commissioner Roth, MOTION TO
to recommend approval of a Conditional Use Permit for a black dirt RECOMMEND
sales operation subject to the conditions cited in the Staff APPROVAL
recommendation and further that the site not be used for the:
storage of junk vehicles
Commissiomr Rath wondered if, in permitting the operation, the
Commission would be fostering t'he idea that sales could be made
right off the property, he added that it should be made clear that
this is not Commission intent
Acting Chairman Kroskin asked what would be done about a sign for
the operation; Planner Overhiser answered that Mr. Swigart would
have to carne in and obtain a sign permit, w
Acting Chairman Kroskin called for a vote on the motion, motion MOTION
carried, all ayes. CARRIED
A--420 Mendell A. Larson EA' WENDELL CARSON
Subdivisionub1's,an
Planner Overhiser explained that Mr. Larson wishes to si'b-
divide h, s existing parcel ofland into two parcels, one which
would be sold and on which would be retained by the owner for
future s4lc or development Mr. Overhiser reviewed a proposed
revision to the street pattern n this area,
Commissioner Keeley stated that he does not like to see houses
with streets on both sides!, adding that he would; acknowledge
that the reasoning is to keep driveways off thoroughfares.
Planner Overhiser stated that the Staff Report proposes that
the right of access be deeded to the Village but that the
property owner could continue to use the driveway on County
Road 9 until such time as other street access is provided.
Commissioner Hagen voiced an objection to securing a petitioner's
right of access to County Road 9 without taking the other driveways,
stating that right-of-way could be dedicated. bit if the Village
were to take the right of access, the parcel would no longer have
any value:
Acting Chairman Kroskin wondered if there would be any meri-t- in
moving County Road 9 north; Commissioner Keeley stated trc perhaps
the best thing to do would be to remove all the houses is this
vicinity.
Commissioner Threinen made a'motion, seconded by Commissioner HagenMOTION TO
that the Commission recommend approval of the request subject to RECOMMEND
the following Staff -proposed conditions: APPROVAL
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Petitioner dedicate 27 feet of right-of-way along
County Road 9
2. Petitioner dedicate 50 feet of right-of-way along;
the south :portion of Parcels A and B;
3. Petitioner dedicate a corner of his property for
right -of --way on the Northeast portion of Parcel B
shown on proposed circulation plan, 9-13-72).
Motion was voted upon and carried, 4-1--0, Commissioner Keeley MOTION
opposed because he believed that the Village should have a quit CARRIED
claim deed for right-of-way access
A -a52 Northwestern Bell. Telephone Company f x-352 NW BELL
Su . .vszon
Manner Overhiser pointed out that this request had been before
the Planning Commission at their last meeting. Be stated that
the site has beeza approved for a Conditional Use Permit, In
checking against Subdivision Regulations and the circulation
study discussed in the previous request (Wendell Larson Request),;
Staff believes that the request for a Subdivision Variance should
be recommended for approval subject to the following:
1. That 27 feet of right-of-way along County Road 9
and 43,6 feet of right -of --way along Fernbrook
Lane be dedicated to the Village for street purposes;
2. That a 66 --foot right-of-way along the south side
of Parcel B be dedicated;
3. That the petitioner dedicate to the Village the
right of access from County Road 9 to Parcel B.
Mr. Boh, Lokken, representing Northwestern Bell, stated that he
was concerned about having 66" of this property taken for a road
which is of no value to his company. He maintained that by so
restricting the size of the property, -.0 2111 X 4Q9' ,future possibilities
for that parcel of Land might be hampered. He added that Northwestern
Bell would have enough land for a central office, but planned to be
there a long time and had purposely chosen a site that would allow
future building flexibility.
Commissioner Keeley stated that in oases like this, division of
property should occur on the property line, i.e. $81 on either
side. Planner Overhiser stated that if the street is located on the
property line, that the property between County Road 9 aad the proposed
street could be reduced by 33' to 170' which is believed not to be deep
enough: for development.
Commissioner Keeley wondered if a 300' cleat,ance between the * Xter--
section with Fernbrook and County Road o was being requirt-d. Planner
verhiser answered that it will connect 200! north of the intersection
and added that the solution at hand is the most practical one for a
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narrow strip of land such as this. Commissioner Hagen. qqe .^mo oned
the practicability of a cul de sac,, Planner Overhiser stated that
a cul de sac could be built, but as the area: would develop Light
Industrial, ci,reulation would be better with the through sttleet
Planner Overhiser stated that if the proposal as presented was: no
acceptable to the Commission, Staff would request some direction.
Nr. Overhiser added that the Village has a legal right to require
necessary streets and easements: and this is one opportunity to
save Village expense and staff time.
Commissioner Hagen made a motion, seconded by Commissioner Keeley, MOTION TO
that, action be deferred on, this request until such time as the D:FEb,
petitioner and Staff have an opportunity to discuss it furthez*..
Motion carried unanimously.; CARRIED
DISCUSSION - Proposed Sidewalk and Trail Poles
Planner Overhiser introduced the discussion topic, stating that the Council
on two or three occasions :.ndicated need for, a definite policy on this
mwter
Commissioner Keeley asked who would maintain the sidewalks, Planner
Overhiser stated that the property -owners or the Village would,: Commiss:oner
Hagen was concerned about taxes since sidewalks will not be built on all
properties. He felt that the Village Assessor should be consulted as t 4
the met`izjd used to assess areas with sidewalks.;
Planner Overhi.s;,;r pointed out that -the Village must set guidelines for
where the Village would pay for sidewalks and where they should, be built,,
Commissioner Keeley stated that the Village should do its best to get
the Trail System completed and build sidewalks only where they are a
logical extension of the Trail System
Commissioner Threinen brought up the point that the Mayor believes that
the trail system should link up commercial areas He added that this
policy is attempting to provide a plan which would link commercial areas
a; td not cross major roads.
Planner Overhiser added that whenever a Oermanent thoroughfare street is
built, part of that project to be considered at the time of public hearing
would be the need for side;14alkson one or both sides of the street..
Commissioner Keeley added that there should be a provision whereby the
Village will constrict trails or sidewalks at its expense in order to
complete the Trail. System, and if a proposed sidewalk or trail reaches
Council, certain safety criteria (not crossing thoroughfares, etc.) will
have to be followed.
Coammi ssi oner Threinen added that there is a need fog overhead pedestrian
sidewalks and means of getting ug 'to those sidewalks
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Commissioner Keeley made a motion, seconded by Commissioner Threinen,
to complete. the Frail. System on the Guide .flan first and then come back
and implement the sidewalk and tro i l policy, as ars extension of the
rail. System.
Commissioner Keeley added. -that the sidewalk policy should be broad enough
to encourage develop¢rs t0 build part of it and that it should be specified.
where a trail system will be established -- some will be along roads and
thoroughfares.
Planner Overhi.ser pointed out that the policy, for sidewalks should be
drafted now in order that evaluation can occur as part or z,plan. approval
end added further that it is impossible to `%)rmulate a detai_::d plan
for many Plymouth areas because development jilkns are unknown at this
time.
Ac tin; Chairman. Kreskin called for a vote on the motion; Motion, HU ION
ta2°5'led, 3-1.-0, Corimi-ssi.onex, iiageta opposed because he believed CARRIED
that a policy similar to this should be adopted to coincide with
the establishment of other plans - such as sewer, etc.
Acting Chairman Kroskin suggested that Planner Overhiser rephrase
the policy dumber 1 from,a positive standpoint and resubmit it at
the next meeting for further consideration.
DISCUSSION -- Flood, Plain Zoning Ordinance
The following points were brought out daring this d:'.seussi,on
1. Nbc". oncla.ture of the Flood Plain Zoning Ordinance should
be changed to coincide with the Plymouth Village Zoning
Ordinance
2. The Fl=i Plain Zoning Ordinance should be changed to
include po-.di.iig areas as naturae pond or flood plain and the
100_year i.iiia, should be determined;
The intent of the Flood Plain Ordinance needs to be reviewed
and the. Ordinance a.6 a whole looked at Jor possible weaknesses;
4. As much as possible, natural swal,eing natural ponding, and
natural run-off will by utilized.
The Flood Plain Zoning Ordinance will be discussed at a later date:.
A --39S _ Willow Fonds Final. 'Plat A-395 WILLOW PONDS
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Feral Plat
Planner Overh.i.ser explained that the ,Final Plat for Willow
Ponds had, been reviewed and approved by the Village Council:;
he called for a motion to authorize the Chairman of the Planning
Commission to sign the sinal Plat.
Commissioner Keeley stated that he believed the Planning Connissi,on
should not be asked to concur with a development that the Commission
had initially disapproved
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Commissioner Hagen made a motion) seconded by Cam ssaaner Keeley, O COWN
that the Commis ion. authorize the Chairman to sign the Plat of
Willow Ponde as it conforms with the directives of the Council,
approved Preliminary Plat
Motion, carried, all ayes.CARRIED
Conunlsaloner Tbreinenn, nnarx a motion., seconded jy Commissioner 9.-6-72
Roth., to approve the Commission Minutes of September 6, 1972 as Mertes
corrected to read (Page 4 - Dedication of Land for Parks. and "-
rails) "Commissioner Roth opposed Motion carried, 3-2-00"
Motion to approve. Minutes carried, 4-0-1 Fran Hagen abstaining.
Commissioner Threinen made a ;notion., seconded by Commissioner Keeley,
to adjourn; motion carried, all ayes. 10:39 p.m. Adjourn
09/28/72gr
Jim C4 Wahl, Chairman
Plymouth Planning Commission
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Martin W. Overhiser,
Secretary
APPROVED BY PLANNING COP24ISSION 10-4-72
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