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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 09-20-1972PLANNING COMMISSION VILLASIE OF PLYMCU'IT41, *rhS{?'TA. Sepeat5er 20, 1572 A regular meeting ofthe Planning Commission was called to order by Acting Chairman Kroskin at 7:35 p.m. in the Council Chambers of the Public Works Building on 'Wednesday, September 20, 1972, MEMBERS PRESENT. Acting Chairman Reg Kroskin Commissioner Fran Hagen, Bill Heeley, John Roth, and Jim. Threinen MEMBERS ABSENT: Chairman Jim Wahl,, Commissioner Warren Chapman STAFF PPESEN Martin Overhiser, Georgia Rehbein A-404 Shell Oil Company A-404 SHELL OIL Planner Overhiser explained that this is the. petitioner's CUP second request for a Conditional Use Permit to install a car for Car Wash mash in the third bay of the service station located at the Northwest corner ofState Highway 55 and County Road 154 (West Medicine Lake Drive,) He stated that the previous request did show two drives around the south side and one on the north side of this structure entering into the one bay. Planner Overhiser added that the present proposal shotes °,my one drive. He stated that Shell Oil: has agreed to submit a "atailed landscaping pian to be approved by the Village. Mr. John, Dykstra, dealer/representative for Shell. Oil and ass4gued to the station owned by Mr, Gerald McNeil, stated 'K'hat Shell Oil is requesting a Permit to put in an overhead door in the rear PROPONENT of the third bay and a driveway to facilitate cars entering the hack of the third bay and exiting at the front. He added that as far as Landscaping, Shell, Oil would like to know what neighbo" `.,,g property owners would want. Mr,. Eugene Rogers, 1029 West Medicine Lake Roads stated that he OPPONENT had bee,,n against the budding of the station from the beginning due to traffic, fumes, and noise. He stated that if the ,driveway was widened, it would be wrought within 30 feet of his back yard. Commissioner Keeley asked Mr. Rogers if this station bothered him other than fumes; Mr Rogers replied that the appearance had been bad until they complained, but that basically the fumes created the biggest objection. Commissioner Keeley asked runner Overhiser if the original request had ever gone to Councils Mr,, Overhiser r-eplied that it had and that it had been denied. Planning Commission Minutes ..2- September 20, 1972 Commissioner Xeeley made a motion, seconded by . Commissioners MOTION TO Haagen, and Roth, to re= mend denial of the application, adding RECOMMEND that he believed the intent had not changed since the fust DENIAL proposal. Coireissioner Threinen adds- that the topography made the site difficult to screen and that° he would concur that the service station should not infringe upon the residents already living in the area. Cammi,ssi.oner Roth declared that this building was not built for the use now being considered fora Conditional Use Permit and that if the building were to be used as a car wash, traffic should run in and out the from. He added that he would concur that the use did net belong there; that B-3 areas allowed car washes but only if they did not encroach upon other areas. Mr. Stan Johnson, Shell Oil Engineer, stated that the car waah would be properly landsca.-Ned and trees would be put in to eliminate an,,, noise. He stated that this service station is better designed to house a gar wash than many drive-through facilities and would be better than. the Standard station just east on 55 Commissioner Hagen stated that he, did not believe the car wash to be in the hest interests of the residents of the area. Motion to recommend denial to the Village Council was voted upon MOT109 and carried unanimously, -5-0-0.,CARRIED A-424 Mervin W. Sw;gart A-424 MERVIN A. SWIGAR" CUP for Black Planner Overhiser introduced the subject, explaining that Dirt Operation there was an excavation operation permitted on this property in 1966. He stated that black dirt was piled up and the petitioner wishes to sell or dispose of this, black dirt on the east side of the ditch. Staff recommendation is to recommend Village approval of a Conditional Use Permit to sell, black dirt from Parcel 3210 of Section 17 sub ect to the following l That no additional excavating be permitted without additional Village approval; 2 That a Performance Bond be posted with the Building Department to insure that the land is Left in a useable condition when the black dirt sales operation is completed Commissioner Keeley questioned the original intent of the dredging Planner Overhiser stated that intent was unknown. Acting Chairman Kroskin noted that junk cars had been accumulating on the property and added that if the Commission were to recommend approval of the request he believed this should cease. Mr. Swigart, the petiti.oner,. assured the Commission that this could be done, planning Commission Minutes Septembor'20, 1972: Commissioner Keeley male a motion, seconded by Commissioner Roth, MOTION TO to recommend approval of a Conditional Use Permit for a black dirt RECOMMEND sales operation subject to the conditions cited in the Staff APPROVAL recommendation and further that the site not be used for the: storage of junk vehicles Commissiomr Rath wondered if, in permitting the operation, the Commission would be fostering t'he idea that sales could be made right off the property, he added that it should be made clear that this is not Commission intent Acting Chairman Kroskin asked what would be done about a sign for the operation; Planner Overhiser answered that Mr. Swigart would have to carne in and obtain a sign permit, w Acting Chairman Kroskin called for a vote on the motion, motion MOTION carried, all ayes. CARRIED A--420 Mendell A. Larson EA' WENDELL CARSON Subdivisionub1's,an Planner Overhiser explained that Mr. Larson wishes to si'b- divide h, s existing parcel ofland into two parcels, one which would be sold and on which would be retained by the owner for future s4lc or development Mr. Overhiser reviewed a proposed revision to the street pattern n this area, Commissioner Keeley stated that he does not like to see houses with streets on both sides!, adding that he would; acknowledge that the reasoning is to keep driveways off thoroughfares. Planner Overhiser stated that the Staff Report proposes that the right of access be deeded to the Village but that the property owner could continue to use the driveway on County Road 9 until such time as other street access is provided. Commissioner Hagen voiced an objection to securing a petitioner's right of access to County Road 9 without taking the other driveways, stating that right-of-way could be dedicated. bit if the Village were to take the right of access, the parcel would no longer have any value: Acting Chairman Kroskin wondered if there would be any meri-t- in moving County Road 9 north; Commissioner Keeley stated trc perhaps the best thing to do would be to remove all the houses is this vicinity. Commissioner Threinen made a'motion, seconded by Commissioner HagenMOTION TO that the Commission recommend approval of the request subject to RECOMMEND the following Staff -proposed conditions: APPROVAL Planning Commission Minutes -4- September 20,, 1972 Petitioner dedicate 27 feet of right-of-way along County Road 9 2. Petitioner dedicate 50 feet of right-of-way along; the south :portion of Parcels A and B; 3. Petitioner dedicate a corner of his property for right -of --way on the Northeast portion of Parcel B shown on proposed circulation plan, 9-13-72). Motion was voted upon and carried, 4-1--0, Commissioner Keeley MOTION opposed because he believed that the Village should have a quit CARRIED claim deed for right-of-way access A -a52 Northwestern Bell. Telephone Company f x-352 NW BELL Su . .vszon Manner Overhiser pointed out that this request had been before the Planning Commission at their last meeting. Be stated that the site has beeza approved for a Conditional Use Permit, In checking against Subdivision Regulations and the circulation study discussed in the previous request (Wendell Larson Request),; Staff believes that the request for a Subdivision Variance should be recommended for approval subject to the following: 1. That 27 feet of right-of-way along County Road 9 and 43,6 feet of right -of --way along Fernbrook Lane be dedicated to the Village for street purposes; 2. That a 66 --foot right-of-way along the south side of Parcel B be dedicated; 3. That the petitioner dedicate to the Village the right of access from County Road 9 to Parcel B. Mr. Boh, Lokken, representing Northwestern Bell, stated that he was concerned about having 66" of this property taken for a road which is of no value to his company. He maintained that by so restricting the size of the property, -.0 2111 X 4Q9' ,future possibilities for that parcel of Land might be hampered. He added that Northwestern Bell would have enough land for a central office, but planned to be there a long time and had purposely chosen a site that would allow future building flexibility. Commissioner Keeley stated that in oases like this, division of property should occur on the property line, i.e. $81 on either side. Planner Overhiser stated that if the street is located on the property line, that the property between County Road 9 aad the proposed street could be reduced by 33' to 170' which is believed not to be deep enough: for development. Commissioner Keeley wondered if a 300' cleat,ance between the * Xter-- section with Fernbrook and County Road o was being requirt-d. Planner verhiser answered that it will connect 200! north of the intersection and added that the solution at hand is the most practical one for a Planning Commission Minutes -5-- September zQ 1972 narrow strip of land such as this. Commissioner Hagen. qqe .^mo oned the practicability of a cul de sac,, Planner Overhiser stated that a cul de sac could be built, but as the area: would develop Light Industrial, ci,reulation would be better with the through sttleet Planner Overhiser stated that if the proposal as presented was: no acceptable to the Commission, Staff would request some direction. Nr. Overhiser added that the Village has a legal right to require necessary streets and easements: and this is one opportunity to save Village expense and staff time. Commissioner Hagen made a motion, seconded by Commissioner Keeley, MOTION TO that, action be deferred on, this request until such time as the D:FEb, petitioner and Staff have an opportunity to discuss it furthez*.. Motion carried unanimously.; CARRIED DISCUSSION - Proposed Sidewalk and Trail Poles Planner Overhiser introduced the discussion topic, stating that the Council on two or three occasions :.ndicated need for, a definite policy on this mwter Commissioner Keeley asked who would maintain the sidewalks, Planner Overhiser stated that the property -owners or the Village would,: Commiss:oner Hagen was concerned about taxes since sidewalks will not be built on all properties. He felt that the Village Assessor should be consulted as t 4 the met`izjd used to assess areas with sidewalks.; Planner Overhi.s;,;r pointed out that -the Village must set guidelines for where the Village would pay for sidewalks and where they should, be built,, Commissioner Keeley stated that the Village should do its best to get the Trail System completed and build sidewalks only where they are a logical extension of the Trail System Commissioner Threinen brought up the point that the Mayor believes that the trail system should link up commercial areas He added that this policy is attempting to provide a plan which would link commercial areas a; td not cross major roads. Planner Overhiser added that whenever a Oermanent thoroughfare street is built, part of that project to be considered at the time of public hearing would be the need for side;14alkson one or both sides of the street.. Commissioner Keeley added that there should be a provision whereby the Village will constrict trails or sidewalks at its expense in order to complete the Trail. System, and if a proposed sidewalk or trail reaches Council, certain safety criteria (not crossing thoroughfares, etc.) will have to be followed. Coammi ssi oner Threinen added that there is a need fog overhead pedestrian sidewalks and means of getting ug 'to those sidewalks Planning Commission ,.inu;la6- September 20, 1972 Commissioner Keeley made a motion, seconded by Commissioner Threinen, to complete. the Frail. System on the Guide .flan first and then come back and implement the sidewalk and tro i l policy, as ars extension of the rail. System. Commissioner Keeley added. -that the sidewalk policy should be broad enough to encourage develop¢rs t0 build part of it and that it should be specified. where a trail system will be established -- some will be along roads and thoroughfares. Planner Overhi.ser pointed out that the policy, for sidewalks should be drafted now in order that evaluation can occur as part or z,plan. approval end added further that it is impossible to `%)rmulate a detai_::d plan for many Plymouth areas because development jilkns are unknown at this time. Ac tin; Chairman. Kreskin called for a vote on the motion; Motion, HU ION ta2°5'led, 3-1.-0, Corimi-ssi.onex, iiageta opposed because he believed CARRIED that a policy similar to this should be adopted to coincide with the establishment of other plans - such as sewer, etc. Acting Chairman Kroskin suggested that Planner Overhiser rephrase the policy dumber 1 from,a positive standpoint and resubmit it at the next meeting for further consideration. DISCUSSION -- Flood, Plain Zoning Ordinance The following points were brought out daring this d:'.seussi,on 1. Nbc". oncla.ture of the Flood Plain Zoning Ordinance should be changed to coincide with the Plymouth Village Zoning Ordinance 2. The Fl=i Plain Zoning Ordinance should be changed to include po-.di.iig areas as naturae pond or flood plain and the 100_year i.iiia, should be determined; The intent of the Flood Plain Ordinance needs to be reviewed and the. Ordinance a.6 a whole looked at Jor possible weaknesses; 4. As much as possible, natural swal,eing natural ponding, and natural run-off will by utilized. The Flood Plain Zoning Ordinance will be discussed at a later date:. A --39S _ Willow Fonds Final. 'Plat A-395 WILLOW PONDS T Feral Plat Planner Overh.i.ser explained that the ,Final Plat for Willow Ponds had, been reviewed and approved by the Village Council:; he called for a motion to authorize the Chairman of the Planning Commission to sign the sinal Plat. Commissioner Keeley stated that he believed the Planning Connissi,on should not be asked to concur with a development that the Commission had initially disapproved Planning Commission M nates -7-- ` September 20, 1,972 Commissioner Hagen made a motion) seconded by Cam ssaaner Keeley, O COWN that the Commis ion. authorize the Chairman to sign the Plat of Willow Ponde as it conforms with the directives of the Council, approved Preliminary Plat Motion, carried, all ayes.CARRIED Conunlsaloner Tbreinenn, nnarx a motion., seconded jy Commissioner 9.-6-72 Roth., to approve the Commission Minutes of September 6, 1972 as Mertes corrected to read (Page 4 - Dedication of Land for Parks. and "- rails) "Commissioner Roth opposed Motion carried, 3-2-00" Motion to approve. Minutes carried, 4-0-1 Fran Hagen abstaining. Commissioner Threinen made a ;notion., seconded by Commissioner Keeley, to adjourn; motion carried, all ayes. 10:39 p.m. Adjourn 09/28/72gr Jim C4 Wahl, Chairman Plymouth Planning Commission c. Martin W. Overhiser, Secretary APPROVED BY PLANNING COP24ISSION 10-4-72 4 9 . A