HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 07-19-1972PLANNING COMMISSION
VILLAGE of PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA
July 19, 1972
A, regular ,meeting of the Planning Commission was calked to order by ActingChairmanKeeleyat7:5S p.m. in the Council Chambers of the Public storks
Building on Wednesday, July 19, 1972;
MEMBERS PIZESBNT Acting Chairman R11 Keeley, Commissioners Paan Hagen,
John Roth, and Jim Threxnen
MEMBERS ABSENT: Chairman Jim llahl, Commissioners Reg Kroskin Warren Chapman
STAFF PRESENT: Milton Dale,, Georgia Rehbein
F-7-0-71 Plymouth Baptist Church A-407
The petitioner requests that a Variance be granted to permit the PLYMOUTH
parking of from five to eight buses on their property (now zoned BTPTIST
R-1) and the installation of a gas tank and pump Reverend R. J. }`Z=
Terrey and Attorney H-, H, Ray showed pictures to the Commissioners.,
The Commission was shown a long-range plan by the Church's .architect,
Reese -Bova ;.'Associates. Commissioner Threinen posedd a question as to
the future arrangement for the buses, He was told that this would
be Left up to the architects who would work with the Village.
Acting Chairman Keeley asked if it would impose any hardship on
them, if the gas tank, pumps and parking were to be located in the 1-1
distriot west of 494, where this type of use would be permitted. Revevend
Terrey stated that the Church cannot rent or buy trom anyone in
the industrial district due to the Church's limited financial
resources. In two or three years, he felt renting or buying wouldbepossible., Attorney Ray stressed that it would not be in the
best ,interest of their long-range plan to ha,=e buses or facilities
on the property on a long-term basis because the property is valuable
and in the future could best be used for athletic fields, etc. He
stated that the Church was only asking for a years'use followed by
review. Commissioner Hagen asked what was meant by a long-range
program. Mr. Ray answered two to three years depending on thetimeofdevelopment.
The Commission felt than; the Church should be applying for a Conditional
Use Permit rather than a zoning Variance because a Variance is permanent
while their proposal is :dor a temporary use. (Note; a zoning Variancecoyldhaveconditionattachedsuchasannual, review)
Commissioner Threxnen asked how the Church,intended to maintain security. Mr, Ray said the pumps would be locked and the tank buried and that
the Pastor and his .Assistant would be living right there. The Pastor
said the original plan -was to put two to three trailers on the: property,
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but instead they acquired a $40,000 U.S. Steel Building on the
property. Plans are for movement of the building back to the
north toward 49th Avenue within the next year. or so and then the
building will be made permanent. . C mmissa;.. Her Hagen was assured
that no building would be built permanently to house the buses;
Commissioner Thr-nen was told the gas tank to be buried would
be a small one - 500 to 1,000 gallons. Attorney Ray added thatduringtheschool, year most ofthe buses would not even be on
the premises.
Acting Chairman Keeley stated that the drivers who live in a
residential area could not legally park a bus or their propert
overnight. Commissioner Roth and Acting Chairman Keeley flt that
the rule of no gas dispensaries located in an R-1 district, no
buses, and no parking _should stand.
Commissioner Roth made a motion to disapprove the Variance MOTION TO
because the Commission believes the proposal to be inconsistent RECOMMEND
with the guidelines set forth in the Goals, Objectives, and DENIAL
Criteria, specifically Articles 3 and 4 under the section OF
Security", The Commission, also agreed that this ,proposal VARIANCE
would be a potential menace to health and property; Commissioner
Threinen seconded the motion to recommend denial& Motion carried MOTION
four ayes. CommMssioner Threinen asked Staffto inquire from CARRIED`
Fran Bauer, Village Fire Chief, what his thoughts would be
on the subject he also felt the. Rescue Squad could be consulted.
Motion was further amended by Commissioner Roth to recommend DENIAL
denial for a Conditional tjiia Permit for the sane reasons OF
should one be requested. The motion was seconded by Commissioner CONDITIONAL
Threinen and carried unanimously. Reverend Terrey felt that USE
other schools and churches to a degree are maintaining buses on PERMIT
the premises; the Commission felt that this should be brought'
to the attention of Staff for possible check. MOTION
CARRIED
F874703 Coachman: Corporation rp 4;p3
Planner Dale explained that the petitioner is requesting rezoning COACHMAN
from R-0 to B-3 and the main consideration at this point was the CORPORATION
traffic flow plan proposed by the Developer. He stated the
petitioner shows access off Highway 55 and two access points off
Fernbrook Lane as well as four, access points on the proposed
Circle Star Boulevard. He said the Staff believes that there
should be no access onto SS and one access point on Fernbxook
Lane for right-hand traffic only and that access on Circle Star
should be limited to four access points,
Commissioner Troth asked for a study of the traffic movement in
and out of the main artery (494 leading onto SS or west onto 55).
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He felt that the motor 'inn would create traffic at the end of the
day during the -rush hour and that the now configuration of 55
and 494 has to figure into any consideration of the proposal
Coachman, representative Cary Fruend stated that he had conferred
with the Minnesota Highway Departmf:nt and had asked for application
for a permit to construct a decela:.ati.on lane on the entrance
of 55. He said the Minnesota Highway Department is ready to give
a permit which will give right- access off eastbound SS onto
the west end of the property. He said further that he had talked
with Pat Chandler at the State level and that a traffic study
pattern will be worRed on for this site and they are presently
waiting for the result of what the motel people, the Village,
and others think about the area. He stated that they had
talked to the Minnesota Highway Department people about signal-
izing Fernbrook and 55, No plans exist for signalizing this
intersection this year as traffic volumes do not warrant
signalization, By the end of 1972 he said the State plans to
have the intersection of Xenium and. State Highway 55 signalized
as well as the ramps of 494 and Highway 55.
Acting Chairman Keeley asked if the State is willing to go ' with
a deceleration lane for the eastbound lane would time limitations
be imposed, or would traffic just be shut off? Mr. F-ruend said
that access is open right now and the State says their traffic
people haven't had a chance to study the problem in detail to
see if they have any objections They said at this point the State
sees no problem; however, at some point in time that Highway 5S
access would be eliminated when State Highway 55 is upgraded to
freeway status.
Acting Chairman Keeley then asked Mr. Fruend about advertisingthemotorinn; that if an advertising sign was placed near the
motel as per signing regulations, the deceleration lane would
not provide enough time for exit f,'om the highway. Fruend said
the intent is to get the traffic off Highway SS. Fruend also
estimated that 35 to 45 percen+ of their projected traffic would
come from the west by way of `,tate Highway 5;i.
Commissioner Threinen stated ;that if traffic control is an objective,
that perhaps. at the time Cot.chman comes in with the Final Site Plan
the arrangement of building; could then be suggested. Ile further
stated that the zoning of R, -Q to B-3 is consistent with plans for
the area.
The motion was made by Commissioner `-,eiien that the request for MOTION TO
rezoning :From R -O to B-3 be recommended :=fir approval subject to: RECOMMEND
1,, The plan as presented not be cons,dered a Final Site P7 an APPROVAL
2. The right-of-way from the west half ok Fernbro-ok be
increased from. 33 feet to 60 feet when the Final Plat
is submitted.
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Motion was seconded by Commissioner Hagen., Acting Chairman KeeleyfeltthatguidanceshouldbegiventoCoachmanatthistimerelative
to the Final Site Plan., :i.e. whether or not the Commission would;
be in favor of a deceleration lane,, right turn onto Fernbrook prior
to the intersection of Circle Stan Boulevard. He recommended that
the Commission choose ,one plan and submit this with the rezoning
request conditionally as a General Development Plan,,
Commissioner Hagen then: made a motion to amend the previous motion
to recommend approval and moved. that rezoning be based on a revised
Ceneral Development Paan which shows a deceleration le.ne with: access
to the property only, but no egress via this lane onto State Highway 55
and that Staff proposal be accepted as fares Circle star Boulevard,
I.e, limiting access to foux, drives. The motion to amend the earlier
motion was seconded by Commissioner_Threinen. Amendment to motion
carried, 3 ayes, John Roth abstaining.
Acting Chairman Keeley then asked if there was any further, discussiononthemotionasamended. Commissioner Hagen thought that Staff
proposal was excellent as far as prohibiting access from the site
back onto Fernbrook Lane so close to State Highway SS, since this
complex would generate significant traffic. With. Circle Star
Boulevard only 200 feet further south on Fernbrook, it should be
indicated as the main route for traffic. Acting ''airman Keeley
then recapped discussion: The petitioner's proposal would be regarded
as a General Development Plan for the Coachman -proposed ,motor inn;
but would not be regarded as a Site Plan. The following conditions
would apply.
1. regulate flow of traffic on Fernbrook.
k, Limit number ofdrives on Circle Star Drive to
four but allow the access from. State Highway 55
going east.
In essence, the Commission would be allowing a motor inn of 170 units,
a restaurant, a service station, a building of unknow4Z use, and a
southeast corner of unknown use.
The proposal was recommended to the Council for approval with 3 ayes
and John Roth abstaining. MOTION TO
RECOMMEND
APPROVAL -
A -11, Proposed Amendment to Section 17 of Zoning Ordinance A--11'
The subject was recapped and opened for discussion by Acting Front Yard
Chairman Keeley. Commission members felt definitions of front Lines
yard :lines were not spelled out clearly in the Ordnance and
that side and rear yard lanes should not enter into the parking
problem; the Ordinance should be defined to allow no parking DEFER ACTION
between the required setback line and the property lime, Motion
was ma -'e that the Ordinance be submitted to Staff for review.
Motion was seconded andd carried unanimously:
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A-194- Playhouse & Delos Taylor Revised Proposal [A-1941
It was explained by Mr. Dale that basically the Council waits PLAYHOUSE-
comments
LAYIOUSE
comments front the Commission on A. r and proposed Land use.,
The proposal was opened for discus;,. .;, . Acting Chairman Keeley DELOS TAYLOR
explained that the area under ques,'':in was that land between REVISED
Maplede-ll, 'vi zksburg, and south of 32nd Avenue. The Commissioners PROPOSAL
examined adjacent uses of the laxed..
Mr. Glenn P:. Nellis (2751 'Upland Lane), representing the Shenandoah
Homeownerls Association, directed two .questions to the Commission.
1. `khat is being proposed by Delos Taylor?
2. What is going to happen to the industrial area on
which Mr. Taylor previously had plans to build a
warehouse?
Acting Chairman Keeley stated that the Taylor proposal consisted
basically of a row of buildings with four units per building, a
42-unit apartment south of S2nd and single family homes.. He was
informed by Acting Chairman Keeley that Taylor could not build
anything industrial south of 32nd Avenue. He added that although
Taylor had asked that this area (soGtth. ok 32nd Avenue) be made
1-1 industrial, the Council had not approved this request.
The Homeowners felt that the consensus in their neighborhood
wa5.that they would not object to business in this area but they
do itot want another industrial development because there seems
to be an adequate amount of industrial property available else-
where. They were also concerned about traffic and access onto
and off of Vicksburg Lane
In summary of discussion, the Commission generally agreed that
approval of the General Development Plart should not be recommended
due to the followi-Mtg:
1. Street arrangement and siting of 4-unx•L structures in
4-unit/acre development;
2. The crossing of the drainage-way with a street (this should
be blocked off with a cul de sac at the end of the proposed
28th Avenue North);..
3 No indication of exact park locations and acreage;
4. No; indication of use of area south of 31st Avenge North
in the northwest corner of the development;
S. No breakdown of what acreage is included for park dedication
and what is for open space;
6. A request ,for 1-1 use south of .32nd Avenue North extended;
7: No recreation area for apartment compl.cx north of 31st Ave. No.;
8. Need for a second access to Vicksburg Lane (about 28th Ave. No,).
The Comm.Ission as a chole felt they should defer action at present DEFER
and make, a ztotion at the next meeting to pass on to the Council ACTION
for final. consideration.:
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Motion was made by Commissioner Threine<n, seconded by Acting 7-5-'2
Chairman Keeley, that the July 5, 1972Cnmmission Minutes Minuses
be approved. Motion carried.
Neeti;ng, adjourned at 9:40 p.m.
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