HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 06-21-1972PLANNING CONZMSION
VILLAGE OF PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA
JUNE 21, 1972
A regular meeting of the Planning Commission was called: to order by Chair-
man 'Wahl,at 7:40 p.m. in the Council Chambers of the Public Works BuildingonWednesday, June 21, 1972._
MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Jim Wahl, Commissioners Jim Thre nen Fran Hagen,
John Roth, `barren Chapman (arrived at 8:00 p.m.) and Rog
Kroskin (arrived at 9:00 p.m.)
MEMBERS ABSENT, Commissioner Bill Keeley
STAFF PRESENT; Martin Overhiser, Sandy Haugen
A-399 Paul, G. Hatlestad
The Public Hearing was opened at 7:45 p.m. ., PAUb G. iATLE,5=
Planner Overhiser explained this is a rezoning from R-1 to Rezoning R-1 to R-4Ra-4. The parcels are located directly across the street from
the Country House and contain approximately 45,900 square
feet.. One lot is in the `pillage of Medicine hake. That par
cel would be used for the parking area. The .Apple Uoi ssom
lnn and ono single family home are existing on the property.
It is a predominately single family are^ wit"- the Village of
Medicine Lake entirely zoned: for single fe-til,y. The petitioner
has not submitted a site plan for any structure. The range
of units permitted would range from, 15 units up to a maximum
of 30 units,
Planner Overhiser explained that the petitioner is in the PROPONENTS
hospital and unable to .attend the meeting.: He has asked for
a continuance until the next meeting so that he might speak
before the Canunissi on . Chairman Wahl asked if the; petiti otter
had presented evidence that he was in fact the agent repre
senting the property owners. Planner Overhiser stated that
the petitioner had listed the names of the owners on tho ap-
plication form but that ordinance does not require that they
sign the ;dorm. This is required only for platting. The Com-
missioners agreed that in the future there: should be some
verification submitted by the petitioner that the owners are
agreeable to a rezoning request. Planner Ovehi.ser stated the
petitioner had the opportunity to contact the property .owners
so that someone could be present at the public hearing; how-
ever, there were no proponents who appeared on behalf of the
petition.
ONeal, Sorensen, 1.32 Peninsula Road,, Mayor of the Village of OPPONENTS
Medicine hake, appeared representing the residents of that
Village and expressed opposition to the rezoning.
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Joe boscheider, 100 Peninsula Road, stated he agreed with
Mayor Sorenson and presented a. note from Freda Weistrand,
11 6Peninsula Road, also opposing the rezoning (see Exhibit
A attaehed,.F
William kreber,,106,0 South ,Shore Dirve, stated he would
not be opposed td the rezoning if the Village would rezone
the entire area from the creek to the Village of Medicine
Lak.s in that there are quite ;a bit of non -conforming uses
already. He stated he would be opposed, however, to spot
zoning.,.
Gary 1. Nelson, 10710 15th, Avenue North stated he owns that
lot directly adjacent to the property in question. He `was
opposed because of the single family nature of the area and
because of the SO feet of lake shore access this project
would have. He felt that many people with .ia.ke access would
be detrimental to the wild life that exists in the area:. He
also explained that there are many large trees on the property
which would have to 'be cut down for an apartment. He didn't
agree that there are a lot of non -conforming uses. He felt
apartments would draw transient type people who would not b
concerned about: the environment and felt there would 'be ttsa
many people crowded in on a small parcel of land,
Florence Reinke, 406 County Road 73, stated she fully agreed
with fir. Nelson. She owns rental property betifeeii the creek
and the property in question and feared the increase in taae
number of children in the area would greatly increase their
taxes.
Janice Nelson, 10710 15th Avenue.: North:, stated she wanted to
add that the aesthet1c value of the property would be hurt if
an apartment building was built, and it would greatly decrease
their privacy and property values.
Richard Gould, 102 Peninsula Road, stated he was concerned
that the apartment dwellers wooid greatly increase the }
number of snowmobiles in the area.
The Public Hearing was closed at 8:04 p.m;
Motion for action made by Commissioner Threinen, secord by MOTION FOR ACTION
Commissioner Roth. Motion passed 4-0 with Commissioner
Chapman abstaining
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There being no one present to speak either as Proponents or PROCEDURAL AMENEMWS
opponents to this matter, the: Public Nearing was opened and TO ZONING ORDINANCEclosedat8:06 p.m.
Motion for action made by Co missioner Chapman, second by
Commissioner Threinen., Motion passed 5-0.
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A-39.9 Paul G, UatlestadA-399
Commissioner Roth stated that even though the petitioner is PAUL G. HATLBSTADnothere, if he had the committment of the oum.ers, there
should have been someone present; ACTION
Motion made by Commissioner Roth, second by Commissioner
Threinen, to recommend denial of the rezoning request for
the following reasons
I., The Village of Medicine Lake is zoned R41 in that area
that adjoins the petitioner's property,. NOTION TO RFCOit
Z. The Com-Drehensive Land Use Plan presently under study
does not Propose higher density use: i*.t this area. It
DENIAL
indicates higher density uses in areas more appzopriate
for such use.;
3. The rezoning request cannot meet all the ,:ons derations
required as per the Planning Commission chock- list guide
to rezoning requests, i.e
The proposal is contrary to the future land u.`e plan:,
It is not compatible with the established land use pat-
terns in that area.,
The change 'would create an :isolated district unrelated
to similar districts,, thus becoming "spot zoning",
The change could be construed as granting special privi-
lege to an individual as contrasted to general welfare,
The property can be used in accordance with existing
zoning regulations,
The change is out of scale with the needs of the neigh-
borhood,
There are adequate sites for the proposed use in dis-
tricts within the Village permitting such use,
The change could create or excessively increase traffic
congestion:
Commissioner Hagen stated he telt that because the petitioner
did not present a s3ite plan for developing this property, it
appears to be a request to enhance the value of the propertyforsalepurposes. This has not been done in the past and
should not be permitted now.
Commissioner Roth asked if the petitioner's request for a con-
tinuance should be considered by a formal motion. Planner
Overhiser pointed out that the petitioner will still have an
opportunity to appear before the Council.
Motion to recommend denial passed s -o.
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Pl anner Ovexhiser explained that these proposed an PROCEDURAL ANIhNDN US
include the proposals of Councilman Neils to increase the TO ZOINING ORDINANCE
minimum. square footage in the R-4 and R-3 districts,
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9Conmissi.oner Ch`:,pman questioned who had been, notified of this
1public hearing. Planner Overhiser explained that. -the notice
had a.ppeaxed in the Sun Newspapers.
Motion made by Commissioner Chapman, second LZ Commissioner MOTION TO RECatIBNDRoth, to recommend approval of the Zoning Ordinance amend- APPROVALmentsaspresented. Motion passed 5-0. --- —
A -39S Lundgren gathers Construction "Willow Ponds"' A -,i95
Planner Overhiser reviewed the three -recommendations made at LUNDGREN BROTHERS
the meeting of the Committee of the 'whole on dune 13, 1972. "WILLOW PONDS"
Commissioner Threinen questioned Planner Overhiser , if the Preliminary PlatpetitionerwasixifavoroftheCommittee's recommendation to
extend 28th Avenue to the West to connect with the Westfield
plat. He stated they objected primarily because of all the
traffic that would be funneled through the plat. Overhiser
stated that the staff felt there `s 4dequate circulation and
that this street is not needed.
Commissioner Hagen pointed out that the variances shown: on
the first plan have not been changed as recommende, by the
Committee. Planner Overhiser explained that the staff had
recommended the petitioner not propose a Residential Sub-
division Unit Proj pct as the plat was too small to support
common open space and a homeowners association but to request
a standard plat with variances to conform with the surrounding
plats
Commissioner Chapman pointed out that the corner lots lyad not
been enlarged.
Chairman Wahl stated he did not feel the petitioner should be
able to ask for these variances. It should be developed as a,,
standard subdivision. Ey granting the variances, the Village
is giving them 2 or 3 more lots than permissible under standard
platting. He- pointed out that the irregular size of the
Georgia property created many problems and felt this was an
attempt on the part of the owner to limit his street frontage
because of his concein over special assessments.
Commissioner Roth stated that with streets coining through from
other developments h -e felt the setbacks should all be the same,
Planner Overhiser pointed out that the average lot size was
just over 22,000 square feet and thw. Zoning Ordinance only re-
quires 18,50Q square feet.
Commissioner Hagen pointed out that most of the lots that are
undersized ale the corner mots, and these are the greatest
problem in any development. Planner Overhiser stated the
petitioners feel they can 1pcate houses Qn these corner lots
if they get the 35 foot setbacks a.pprov,-O ., Commissioner Roth
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stated he d.id not think we should also grant thein a variance
to also have 10 foot side yards on some of the lots.
Chairman Wahl stated he felt the plans could be redrawn with
about 4 less lots and no variances, and it would be workable.
Planner Qverhiser stated he thought the petitioner would rather
submit a Residential Subdivision Unit Project and request a
waizrer of the 10 percent open space. Commissioner Hagen pointed
out that this would not be permissible as the plat was less than
ZQ acres.
Chairman Wahl stated he felt the Northerly lots should be pro-
vided access ,from within the plat
Motion, trade by Chairman Wahl,, second I y Comaissioner Threin.enmoTION To RLCavVL ND
to recomzaend denial of the Preliminary Plat. N,otion passed DENIAL5 -0 -
The Co;Dmissioners gave the following reasons for denial:DIRECTION TO
1. The plat should be submitted in such a way that no vari-
DEYELQPPRS
antes are required.
Z. Alternative solutions should be found to solve the prob-
lem of access for the Northerly lots because of the fact
tx at 'Westfield is not approved and also because of the
fact, that the property owner t, ' the ;North should not b,e
responsible for providing access to these lots.
A-379 Dreyfus Interstate Development Corp. "Amber Roods" A-379
Bill Dickev and Richard Craig presented their revised site DI2PYFUS DEVELOP.
Alan, They explained there are now 159 lots with an average 1191 ER IQODSI' area of 18,519 square feet per lot and minimum lot size of
I1,25J square feet. The number of lots has been reduced due Rezoning R -O to R -itotheincreasedareainstreets . Dir. Dickey explained that preliminary Platnovarianceswillberequiredandthatthehomeswillbeset
bacl, 50 feet.
There was discussion regarding the east -west street which
extends into the unplatted area to the east. Mr. Dickey
xp,ained the problem of locating the street further south
was dud to the woods.
Commissioner Chapman asked if the storm drainage was adequate
and if it would create problems for adjacent property owners.
Planner Qverhiser stated that, the drainage ditch would probably
have to be up -graded some time in the future but would not
cause problems for other property owners.
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rtion made by Commissioner Kroskin, second by Commissioner
Napmair to recommend approval of 'the rezoz in.g from. R-0 toR-1 and. the Preliminary plat;. Motion passed 1-0
Motion made by Commissioner, Krosk n., second by Commissioner MOTION TO iUCM EW
Chapman to add an addendum to the motion to include the ion- APPROVALditionthatpublicsanitarysewerforthisprojectbere
solveed prior to approval, of the final plat. Motion passed" 6-0..
A-386 Northwestern Bell Telephone Co. -386
Chairman Wahl reviewed the Committee of the Whole discussion W BBLL TELEPHONECO.
and action from the June 13, 1972 meeting, The vote was 3-2
in favor of approval at that time: with those in opposition Toll Switching Bldg.
primarily concerned about aesthetics..
i Commissioner Chapman asked if we have been, assured that this
will not interfere with television reception, etc. Itwas
determined ,that it would, not, and Bob Peterson explained that
the beam spread over.: 15 miles would be 1 inch to several feet..
He also explained that there would be cable -rom downtown
Minneapolis to the Plymouth site and that it would be beamed
to the West only. There will be three bands with horns on
ethem, the lowest approximately 180 feet high.
Commissioner Kroski:n skated he diad not feel this totter fit
into the overall criteria of development in Plymouth. Com-
missioner Threinen agreed.
Chairman Wahl stated he felt this is a political question and
problemroblem for the Council to resolve. The Planning Commission
should only be concerned. with the problem of land use.
Motion .made by Commissioner Hagen, second by Chairman Wahl MOTION TO RECOI4 ENO
to recommend approval of the petitioner's requests. Motion APPROVAL (.4efeated)
defeated 2-3 with Commissioner Hagen and Chairman Wahl voting
in favor and Commissioners Chapman, K oskin and Threinen
voting against. Commissioner Moth abstained,
Notirn made by Commissioner Threinen, second by Commissioner MOTION TO RECOi+RM
Iroskin to recommend denial of the petitioner's requests on DENIAL
the basis that it is not compatible aesthetically with the
Hage Motion passed. -2 with Commissioners Chapman,
Kroskin, and Threinen voting in favor and Commissioner Hagen
and Chairman Wahl voting against. Commissioner Roth, abstained,
Comprehensive Land Use Guide Plan CaIPF
The Commissioners reviewed the draft report on the Compre- USF
hensive Sand; Use Guide Plan which will be Forwarded to the
Council for their meeting, of June 29, 1972 for their review
prior to public hearings
GUIDE PLAN
planning Conuaissi,o;t - T June 21, 1972
Commissioner .Hagen askod if the Zoning Ordinance would have
to be amended when this guide plan is adopted. Planner
Overhiser stated it would.:
I'ommissioner Chapman inquired if it was feasible to put some-
thing into the guide plan. to limit development to buildableland:. It was decided it would be difficult to establish what
is bu.1dable land.
Commissioner Kroskin pointed out that nothing has been re-
solved regarding the trail. system 'yet and this is a maj orpartoftheguideplan.
Commissioner Chapman stated he would like to see an LA -5
added in order that LA --1 could be limited to 1 to Z units
per acre. The Commissioners were not in agreement with this
su.ggesti,on,. Commissioner Kroskin felt this would limit
flexibility,
Commissioner Chapman asked if there was any way we can en-
courage low and moderate income housing in projects. Plan:..
ner Overhiser indicated the. Village Council has directed the
staff to prepare a policy statement on this matter. Commis
sioner Hagen stated lie did not thank it was possible mone-
tarily wise to put a low income house in an LA -1 area. Chair-
man Bahl felt the ;solution to this problem was for the Village
to help develppers get subsidy financing.
Chairman Wahl explained that the Council will probably have
to look ata general rezoning when tb,is guile plan is adopted
as they did in 1968.. Commissioner Threinen asked about people
who have been paying taxes on industrial zoned land who have
their land rezoned to residential. Chairman Wahl explained
that if it is for the general good of the Village it is per-
missible and that taxes would: not be refunded.
Motion made by Chairman, Wahl, second by Commissioner Kroskin, MOTION TO SEND TO
to send the draft report and map, of the Comprehensive Land: COUNCIL FOR REVIEW
Use Guide Plan to the Village Council for review with the
advise to the Council that the Planning Commission is generallyinagreementwiththeapproachbutthatpriortopublichearings
additional review will be necessary. Motion passed 6-0.
Motion made by Commissioner Hagen, second by Commissioner 6-7-7Z MINUTES
Roth, to the, minutes of the June 7, 1972 meeting.
Motionp a:ssed 6,E
Meeting adjourned at 11:10 p.,m, AbJOi1MENT
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VILLAGE OF PLYNtG` mi, mjmE50TA
NOTICE OF P[BbiC IMARING
BY' THE PLANNING CaVIISSIO
Notice is hereby given that the Planning ComrLission of the Village
of. Plymouth krill. meet in the ,Council Chambers of the Public Kirks Build-
ing., 14900 23rd .Avenue North, on June 21, 1972 at '7:30 p.m. to consider
the request ofPaul, G. Hatlestad for thvw property owners, Robert Winters,
Elmer Hart%,ig and John Bavolak, for an amendment of zoning classification
to change the following described property from R-1 (Single Family Resi-
dence District) to R-4 (Nkdtiple Family Residence District)::
Lots - 2, 7, 9, 9, 13 and 14 of Audltor's Sub
division No. 355 (10710 5outStore Drive or
North of the Country House Restaurants
Such persons as desire to be heard With reference to these pro-
posals will be heard at this meeting. ,This Notice is given pursuant
to -the Zoning Ordinance of the Village of,Plymouth.
Information relating to these requests may be examined at the
Plymouth Village Hall any weekday from 8:00 a.m. until 4:30 p.m. except
holidays:
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Mira. M. Duron
Village Clerk
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