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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 05-17-1972PLANNING C001ISSION' VILLAGE OF PLYiQ "T MIN`NI SOTA MY 17,, 1972 A regular meeting of, the Planning C:c";li,ssion was, called to order by Acting Chairman Reg Kroskiin, at 7-435 p.m, in the Conaacil Chambers of the Public 'Works Building on Wednesday a May 1.7, 1972. MMRS PRESWPA Acting Chairman Reg Kroskin,, Commissioners Jim Threinen, Fran Dagen,. Bill Keeley and John Roth. Chairman Jim, Wahl arrived at 8-20 Inf m, MMRS ABS=: Commissioner Warren. Chapman STAFF PRESENT: 1 rtin Overhiser, Sandy 11augen OTHERS PRESET f : Palmer Rvalness Donald Green., Mr. Root, Kenneth Schiebe, Torn I.)oYgherty, henry Stenquist, Clarence Dillman, Richard Reid, Bill Rova,, Patric% bells, meter Pflaum and others A-392 GRO Co ration Palmer Xvalness appeared on behalf of the Petitioner requesting a GW COMRATION subdivision variance to divide a parcel, of 3.9 acres located at the Northeast corner of Lancaster mane and 10th Avenue into 2 par- Subdivision Va-iance cels,, i.e., Parcel. "A"" of 2.1 acres- to the North and Parcel "B" of 1.8 acres to the South,, Serving, as the primary boundary between the 2 parcels would be a spur line- of the Chicago Northwestern Railroad. Mr. Kvalness explained that they, purchased proposed Parcel B from the railroad for the ,industrial site previously approved by the Planninj, Gom.i.ssion and Council; however, the tmc records still show one parcel of record. Parcel B is still the same size parcel as previously reviewed with the s=ite plan. The Petitioner also owns the 1 acre Parcel to the Ulest of Parcel. B. the railroad i, retain - Ing Parcel. A, and road ea=sement is through the property to the east adjacent to the frontage road of Cotunty Road 1 which they also own. Egress to Panel. B would be directly from 10th Avenue. Commissioner Aoth stated he felt at should be ou'r responsibility to deteamine that the property to the east is in .fact owned by the Taalroad .so that an unnecessary - burden is not placed on the owner of Parcel A by landlocking it. Motion, made by Commissioner Keeley, second by Commissioner Roth, MclTION TO RECON REND to recommend approval of the subdivision variance~ to divide the APPROVAL subject proptrty into Parcels A and. B as shown on the sketch dated 5-12-72 known as A-392 subject to the following two conditions: l) that it be determined that the owner of Parcel A is the same as the owner of all property immediately East of and adjacent to the fxontag;s road on County Road 18 and (2) that the easement granted to Mannix Construction Company be vacated. Motion, passed, S'^ Q w Planning Cosmiission - 2 - May 17,E 1072 A-304 Qa4de qq az1 Arch l ect Donald Green appeared on. behalf of the Petitioner along QU- Ca PANY with Mr. Green requesting site plan approval .and a Conditional Use Permit to construct a 33,000 square foot building for sheet metal Site plan; Approval fabrication in a planned industrial district located: at the South- Conditional Use east corner of Niagara Lane and 23rd Avenue. Permit Planner 'Overhiser pointed out that the 71 parking spaces shavn on the site plan is 16 spaces less than the required number but that it is the staff's recon nendataan that a. variance be granted for these lE spaces because they are not needed. Mr. Green explained that all loading would be done inside with the possibility of an outside loading dock being added sometime in the future. He painted out that there is ample room to expand parking to the rear of the building if it becomes necessary. Commissioner Roth questioned the 2 different iddths of driveways shorn, and it was determined that there is no standard for width of driveway cuts in the Village Motion made by Commissioner Keeley, second by Commissioner Hagen, MOTION TO RECM4W to recommend approval: of the site plan and Conditional Use Permit APPROVAL granting a variance of 16parking spaces. Motion passed 5-0; A-285/231 Kenneth Schiebe's "Oakwood" A-283/231 Planner Overhiser e>plained that Nfrr. Schi.ebe has been before the SCHIEBEIS IWISOODII Council asking for final, plat and development contract approval.. The Council requested. that the site plans be approvred prior to Apartment Project considering 'the final. plat. The Coimr fission was asked to revi w Site Plan Approval the site plan fpr the apartment project only at this meeting. Planner Overhiser indicated the Council has decided not to order a publivc storm sewer project for this area and has directed the staff to work with the developers in this area. (Schiebe, Super Valu and Continental. Contractors) for these 3 developments to provide their own storm sewer pipe to the Pane Tree Pond and share the cost of the project. Commissioner Kroskin questioned why the water, runoff was being taken into the lake and not being handled in a facility on their oxn land. Planner Overhiser indi- cad ed this had been discussed, but the staff felt there would be legal problems involved requiring the dev°elcpeti; to store then own water runoff, Commissioner Keeley stated he did not like to sea the people who are already living inthe area subjected to the recreational noises;. He felt the recreation area should be swallowed up in the project rather than on 13th Avenue. Planner Overhiser ind- PlaTu=* g Commission 3; - MAY, 17, 1972 Gated there is a request before the Park Commission regarding the park dedication requirement on this project, and. there is some; discussion to having .a parlmy along Lhe pond. Comni:ssioner Kroskin stated he did not Feel it was a disadvantage having open area adjacent to the existing residential rather than a row of build -Ings, Mere followed discussion regarding the Council's request that the buildings be moved back 17S feet from the southern property line. The site plan shows buildings set b«-*% only 135 feet. Ake. Stenquist, stated it was still their intention to proceed in 3 ph ses. Mien questioried regarding the timetable for the con- struction of the amenities, he indicated the cost would have to be a ortized over the entire project. Asked for clarification, he stated the first phase would probably include the recreational building and the swi.m=- g pool but that they Goold not definitely state this: would be so at this time. her. Stenquist stated he had no objections to switching the location of the pool and recreational building around, Commissioner Threinen asked if the condition previously placed on the 3 developments in the area that a solution to the storm sewer, problem be fomd prior to any building permits being issued could be con- sidered satisfied by the plan discussed earlier. Planner Cverhiser stated he felt the Council considered this to be an acceptable solu- tion. Commissioner Roth asked what engineori.ng had berm done rem garding the drainage into Pane Tree Fond.. Planner Qverhiser explained that the only report available is the preliminary report for the entire storm seer area. Comissioner Kroskin asked what the significant differences between the General Development Plan and the present site plan were. Planner, Overhiser state) there is some reorientation of the buildings but the number of units (320) is still the sane. Commissioner Keeley stated he felt the planting key should indicate exactly what size trees were proposed to be planted and that as mmeh of the hedge row on the west side of the property should be retained as possible. Mr. Stenquist showed the garage plans to the Commissioners and indi- Gated gist they are entirely below grade and that the plans show 109 spaces but that it will possibly be increased to 116 spaces as the cost is approximately the same Cornnissioner Keeley questioned the placement of the putting greens on the right-of-way .strip leading to the property to the west.. Planner Overiuser indicated there has to be an easement and: than it would not be used for street until such time as the property to the Fest needed it F1a also indicated that all the right-of-way is shown on the final plat mld that there wall probably be a street improvement project in the future which the staff is working on at the present time but that no Council action has been taken on the subject. Planning Commission - 4 - May. 17, 1972 Motion made by Commissioner Roth, second by Commissioner Threint-, T'lC riw To IzLzC)tU l to recommend approval of the site plan 'Rbr the, apartment project APPROVAL subject to the follo%ing conditions: I. slanting sizes be specified an t}ie site plan Z. The Cow, :il resolve their recommendatxon of I75 foot setbacks from the '*N*,t ieTn property lane 3. the Council s ttle the storm sewer question 4. As many of the t.;ees and plantings on the Westerly side of the property be T6.ained as possible S. Consider the possibility of switching the recreational building and pool locatic s and moving the tenn;s courts as far North as possible Motion passed -0. Chairman Wahl wkio arrived during the discussion of this subject abstained from voting,. A-347 Murphy Oil Company A-347 The site plan for 'the Murphy Oil Company as revised following the INURPHX OIL CUNTANY April 19, 1972 .meeting was reviewed. The plan showed one driveway e on :Onium lane 100 feet South of Highway 55 vnd 2 driveways off the Subdivision Veri,ance proposed access road along the South side of the property. Tie el Conditionfsl 6,;e Easterly drive on the South side of the property is less than the Permit S0 foot minimum setback from another street; however, Planner Overhiser explained the staff felt this variance was acceptable be- cause the petitioner has agreed that the driveway on Xenum Lane could be considered as temporary and eliminated at a future date when the traffic volume warrants. It was pointed out that the parking on the West side of the property was closer than 50 feet from the street and that the corner of the building on that side was only 13 feet from the street. The canopy over, the pumps was also closer than 50 feet to, the street.. Clarence Dillma;A representing Murphy Oil. indicated 'these changes would be made to conform to the Ordinance, Commissioner Kroskin Questioned Planner Overhiser why the variance for the location of the Easterly driveway on the South side wars acceptable to .staff. 1 -4 --explained that they felt service stati,oiis do not create a high volume of traffic and that it Was acceptable because of the agreement to abandon the driveway to Xenium. Com- missioner Keeley started he felt that When the driveway was closed the other two driveways should be marked ars one being an exit and the other the entrance. NIT. Dillman explained that the exterior of the building would be brick on concrete block and that although i.t did not appear on the site plan they usually enclose their trash in a brick enclosure behind the building. Planning Cormni.ssion 5 - May 17, 1972 Motion made by Commissioner Keeley, second by Commissioner Threinen MOTION TO RECMVW to xecanmena approval of the request for a subdivision variance and APPROVAL issue a Conditional Use Permit for the petitioner subject to the foll,owti.ng conditions The building be IS feet removed from the West property line andthe canopy and main structure be a minintaun of 50 Feet off the right-of-way line for Xenium Lane and the proposed street. 2. The plot plan. be expanded to include the trash handling f aci,lity . 3. Parking 'be elhninated within S0 feet of the right-of-way line on the 2 above mentioned streets. 4. "i:rectional signs be indicated on the Southwest exit as being an "exit". S. Village receive adequate assurance that the driveway on Xeniu,m Lane will be closed when the traffic volume Warnrants. Commissioner Threinen asked for clarification of condition #S. Planner Overhiser indicated a traffic engineer from Bonestroots office w.1-11 study the prohlm and an agreement will be made before the petition goes to the Council. Commissioner Moth asXed what action had been taken by the Cowrnclon the nterciiange, and Planner Overh4ser indicated they had taken no action because of lack of comm ttment by the State. Commissioner Kroskin stated he had reservations about the number of gas stations and their trying to tit onto a piece of ground unsu-it- able for a service :statim. Motion to recommend approval passed 4-2 with Com.,issioners Rooth and Yxoskin opposing.: A-350/194 DeLos Ta Ilo * & Pl. house Con anyA-350/194 Commissioner Roth stated he had talked with 2 members of the Council F OS TAYLOR and it was their opinion that tl,e area bounded by Highway S5 PI,AAMIO[?SF CO. Vicksburg Lane, the Minneapolis Workhouse property, Ntapledell and Rezoning from R-0 toDunkirk. Larne should be comprehensive planned now prior to any, R--1 R-3, 9-4 4 I-1considerationtotherezoning. Commissioner Keeley stated lie felt the Planning Commission had made their position quite clear previously; however, Commissioner Roth pointed out that this recom mandation was contingent upon Nedina Load being linked 4q th 32nd Avenue, but, the 11noroughfare WWe Plan adopted; by the Council shows Medina Road linked with 31st Avenue The staff recommended the following rezoning: 1., 1-1 zoning Horth of Medina Road (according to Thoroughfare' Gide Plan alignment 2 R4 zoning east of h apledell Addition, west of drainageway and south of quarter section lane of Section 20. Density of 2 units/acre Planning Coq nission _ 6 May 17, 1972 3. k4 zoning with revised. General; Development Plan showing noamorethanSunits/acre (365 total units. on 73 acres) for the area West of Vicksburg Lane, North of the City of minneapoli s property,, East of the dra inageway and South,' the proposedMedinaRoad. Com" i ssioner Keeley said he agreed with recommendations 1 and: 2 butfelt #3 should be R rather than R-4. Commissioner Roth stated he felt this size industrial, building with the number of semi -tracks this business draws, belongs in an industrial park and should not be ercroached upon a residential area. He quoted the Goals, Objectives and Eriteriawhieh .stated that tha best away to cut off industrial isbyamajortho'roughfar, and therefore the industrial zoning shouldnotbeallowedtoexpandfurtherwestthan. Vicksburg. CommissionerThreinenstatedheagreedandquotedthecriteriawhichstatedthatwhenR-Zo &ecomes subject to development it should, be planned develop- 1,16tion made by Commissioner Threinen, second by - ,Comm sslc ter ,Rot1z MOTIONS TO TABLEtotablethematteruntiltheComprehensivePlanisavailable, There followed discussion regarding whether they were referring to: the Comprehensive Man for the entire Village or the specific areainvolved. Comn%ssioner Threinen stated he wanted to see the plyfortheentireVillage. Chairman Wahl, stat,d he felt that if the Planting Commission took such a position or. -this matter they muststopallfurtherdevelopmentintheVillageuntil, the total, plan isadopted. Commissioner .Roth felt the area he pointed out earliershouldberlannedpriortoConsiderationofthismatter. Planner Ov'erhser pointed out that this area probably has received more dis cession by the Planning Commission and Cotmcil than any other areaintheVillage., fie stated he believed we could look at this area prior to the. Comprehensive Plwi as all Land around this area is zoned. Motion to table until. the Village Comprehensive Plan is adopted defeated by a vote of 1.4 witli Commissioners Hagen, Keeley, Wahl and Kroskin voting against and Cemmissioner Rote abstainitg. Chairman 14lahl stated it is his heeling that Vicksburg Lane is theplacetodrawthelinforindustrialdevelopment. Cormmissi,,mer Keeley referred to the. Planning Commission's original, recommendation. that Medina, Road. connect with 32nld Avenue with a commercial -industrialdistrictNorthofthatextendingamoreintobusiness, as it approachesCountyRoad24andstatedhefelttherecommendationshouldprobablyberescindednowbeL:ause of the different linkage of McIdina Road, Comte Ioner Roth stated he believed the reason the. Planning Commi.sasic+r -00k-ed at industrial, North of 32nd Avenue was because sometimealoe.# 1Righway 55 there would probably be some typt;. of business ori.:ndustri,al development but that a plant of this proportion should not encroach on a residential area, Motion by Commissioner Threinen, second by Commmis;inner Rath to IMOTION TO RE-CMtENDrecommenddenialoftinerezoning; request on the basis that it DINIALnotinaccordancewiththeGoals, Objectives and Criteria of theVillagespecificallyObjective #3, Criteria #5 on page 2, "Resi- dential, arenas should be protected, from industrial and commercialencroachmviiasmuchaspossiblp". i s Plan, ng Commission 7 May 17, 1972 It was agreed that the pred= direction given by the Planning t nn ssion must be revised because, of the rea.,lign6nt of lWina Road. There followed discussion regarding the 1969 pamphlet referred to by,,'apledell residents at the public hearing which stated Vicks- bvTg would be the dividtag line between industrial and residential. Carf issioners Haryand xoskin stated the7 cckdd not recall such a publication or direction from,, the Village, and there was no, docu- mentation of the existance of such a publication,. Commissioner Roth seated; he does not feel the Village is in a position at the present time where it must encroach upon residential areas with industrial development. There is ample industrial area in the Village, and ttvre belhg planned. Motion to recomfiend denial passed S -Q with Commissioner Kroskin abstazng Mbtim,i made by Ct mnissioner Keeley, second.. by Cmmissi oner Hagen,F PLANNING C"4ISSI(,N, to give the following as the recommendation of the Planning Gom- DIRECTION ml slg37t' 1 'That the property in the east half of the southeast quarter of Section 20 be residential at an average density not to exceed 4 dwelling units per acre withL lot density (2 dwelling units per acre) residential being ocated generally west of the lost area running north and south through the site and higher density residential development to the east of the low, area. 2. That the Best. land ut .o dor the area north of proposed Medina Road between County Road 24 and Vicksburg Lane be considered as B-1 (Limited. Business District) Motion passed 4-2 with Commissioners Roth and Hagen voting against. A-383 Dorn Builders, lnc. FA-383 Richard Reid and Bill Rova presented their revised plan to the TORN BUILDERS, INC. Commission. Commissioner Keeley questioned why the garages couldn't be eom- SitePlanApproval pl.etely below grade as TecommeHted by the Planning Commission when they reviewed the previous plan on May 3, 1972. Ration made by Commissioner Xroskin, second by Commissioner Keeley, MOTION TO TABLE to table the matter until such time as the Petitioner meets the:. Planning Commission recommendation of May 31 1972, Mr, Rova ' laicated the second set o C garages ccul.d be depressed the same as the first br stepping down ever= 4, stalls. Commissioner Vagen painted out that this would put the bower level of the garages below the level of County Road &, . and because there is no storm Planning C mission May 17, 102 sewer in the area, he would have to see a plan for drainage before he c(xild vete on the project Motion to table passed S-1 with Chairman Wahl opposing. A -30S LundEen, Brother!, Inc. ''good Creek" A -30S Pat Wells and Peter Pflaum presented their preliminary plat .for UNDGRhN BROS. xN°C. 11bod Creek" which, proposed 60 single family Iots on. 32 acres i4hich 11MOD CREED"' contain 6.,6 acres of open land They, indicated they have ownership of the land subject to ficial plat appxoval . Preliminary Plat There followed discussion regarding the open space and the park dedication portion of the plan,, Pla ier Overh seer indicated this plan will he before the Par`s Comni.ssi.on at their next meeting for their revimt and recommendations. Cztini:ssi.oner Ragenn, stated he would like to haw these recommendations prior to the Planning Coin - mission voting on the subject. Commissioner Keeley pointed out that s vveral of the hots appear to require 'variances bti;oa by Commissioner Hien, second by Con m* ss orgr Keeley, to MOTION TO TABLE table the matter. Action passed 6-0. Village Comprehensive Phar Ct TRS ENTSIIM PLANT Planner Overhiser presented a Comprehensi%na- Plan map. as prepared y staff for the Commissioner's revie<T and recor dataxns. indi catod that the areas tdiere residential districts, are next to mnizir hways is because of the natural features of the l md. COMissi.oner Kroskin, questioned why the area Soutl%l st of Hadley Lake was set out as IA -2. Planner Overhi.ser indicated this is an isolated; area and they kanted to give the developers as much lee- vay as possible. The Commission ers felt; this was out of context with the surrounding uses. Thee followed discussion regarding coordinating water distribution: plans, sani.tarr sewer plans, storm suer plans, etc. with the Comprehensive Plan. Cow;4vd m*.oner K-roski.n stated he witted to see more park development on the lakes, and the Commissioners were in agreement with this Chairman Wahhl suggested the matter be laid over until the next shady meeting when the Comk * ssi.oner I s have had a chance to rerriew so the materi -ti given them at this meeting, Planning Commission May 17, 1972 Chairman Wahl, reported he has submitted his resignation from the Planning Commission because of his new position with B, -,DL -..r Builders, Inc., I* stated the Mayor has requested him to remain on the Plan nand Commission until the Comprehensive plan is finish: and asked if any of the Commissioners had any objections to this. All. Com- missioners present expressed: agreement with the Mayor's request. A-2ZQ Fazendin. Pari: 3rd & 4th Additions PEVTDtr OF f1Ta Planner Overhiser presented the final plat for the Commissioner's reviww-, They had no objections to the Chairman signing sam. A-333 Mtetro Developnient, Corporation 'Tiburon!' Planner Overhiser presented. the -Inal plat for the Commissioner's review. They had no objectir,xs to the Chairman signing same, A-242 PTex als Fills 5th & 6th -Additions Planner Overhiser presented the final plat for the Commissioner's revi_ei,F., I btion made by Commissioner Keeley, second byCommissioner Roth, to recommend to the Council. that the final plat be revised: so d-iat Queensland Lane's intersection with State Highway 101 is located off the dangerous curve. Wtion passed 6-0. Motion, made by Commissioner Keeley, second by Commissioner Threinen, to recommend that the final plat obtain the. 27 feet of additional right-of-way along State kli.ghwray, 101:. Motion passed 6-0. A-373 BeDtar's Plymouth Industrial, Park Chairman 11ahl and Commissioner Kroskin stepped down from the Flan,- ning Commission during discussion of this subject) Planner Overhiser presented the final, plat for the Commissioner's review. They had no objections to the Chai=aa signing sane.. Motion made by Connissi.oner Keeley, second by Commissioner Kroskin, 5-3--72 Mi1i'UT S to amend Bkhibit A of the 5-3-72 minutes (Amendments: to the Zoning Ordinance 'Wltiple Nelli.ng Units), Section 1.08 amending Zoning Ordinance Section. 10, Subdivision 6, paragraph 4 to read; 114. Grade Level Apartments: At least one complete exterior wall of any grade level; dwelling unit must be exposed above ground surface." Motion passed. 6-0, i Planning Commission May 17, 1972 tioti, -made by Com issioner Keeler second by Commissioner Kzoskin to approve tlxe 5-3-72 minutes, as reva;oi siamended. Motion, passed Meeting adjourned at ll*.3 1 pm, AW(XfRRi NT 0,52272/Sff