HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 02-02-1972VIVLk ZE OF PLYMMUTIR, _NKNESOT.A.
February 2, 2972.
A regular meeting of the Planning Commission was called to order by Chai man Wahl,
at 7;40 p.m, in the, Council Chambers of the Public marks 'Building on CNledne,sda :, .
February, 2, 1972<
XDMEI=4 PTXSEN'T§ Chairman Jin. 11alYl., Contzaissiorerrc John Roth, 'Reg Kroskin, Bili..
Keeley, .bran Bauer and .aim Threit en
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OTHEVS 'PRESENT: William Perr:r.l, Robert le, Hans Hagen, Floyd B. Olson,
firedi engalkoeh, Caen \Meta$ Tarry :Boardman, ;,orae. Galpin, Howard
Willgren Tot; Erickson, J iu Tuvey, A. C, Born, Bob Graham
Councilmaa Nails, Xilt, Bmilodt, tea.r'ren, Davis, Bob. !)okltan, and
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r meadments to t%g Zonii2 Ordinance =ip n fe-_tntI .tions Am avm im O Vt
Planner Overhiser reviewed the aneadw rtts for the Planning Coin SIGI Rt:G'JIA2IG\S
missZor and :.;.pla.itied that the board of Zoning Adjustments hae
auitiatod the chap-e some time ago because of the at;mber of vari-
ances before their board. The changes have, been. through committees
of both care toard of Zoning Adjustments and. the .'Manning Commission.
Azztend:zeats Are propo.>ed --o three mect ons of the Zoning Ordinance
Linder ection 4, Rules and'Definittons, definitions ,of Directional
and Temporary Signs are added. Y:lhe. e cistinc:- definition is deleted
and replaced by a revise. definition for the terms Basemeen, Grade,
Sign. and Story. The entire Se:cti.ou 77, Subdivision I (the Sign
Ordinance) iance. has been rewrittext and conforms `c itl the ntinnesota 'Qut
door Advertising Control Act. Changes are also mroposed to Section
ubdivisioa 2, paragraphs 2 and 5 dealing with Corti, 'icate' of
Occupancy procedure and annual inspections.
F'olloviut discussion by the; Co=isyioners on some questions they
had relative to rhe° text of the prntaosed amendmer, ts,, the Public_ PUBLIC HEARING
Hearing was opened at 8:05 p.m.
William FerF il., Chairman *f the Boa -d' of Zoning Adjustments told PROP 0NNENTTSS'
the Planai.ng Corr-tlssi.oa that, the Zoning, Ordinance as revised
would relieve his bca- rd of the bulk of the numerou§ variance re-
quI ests, that' receivf. :He indicated there .are seve;a , temporary
direct caia sig:ts vitrhia theVilltge that exceed size limits and
that all of thasu: are on temporary permits and NH.11 he resietged as
soon as; the s gta ordiaaace is adopted, He discussed several
p:oints vit,Un tiro sign ordinance and ad.de6 that he feat a definition
of "Construotidi Period." should be added,
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A-361 Professional Offices in Residential Districts A-361
A Public hea.rim g was held :to consider proposed amendment to the PROFESSIONAL OrFICES
Zoning Ordinance init$,ted by the Villai n Council which ..*-tu1d, IN RES1DU T1.II, Dr30,ic
ellov professional offices in residential districts by Conditional
Use !exmit.
Planning Comads ior; -2= February 1, 1972
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Bob Naegele of txaegalol Outdoor advertising Company e ,.pressed tris OPPO:'E ITS
approval of thee amendments and had only fot:r points to discuss
relative to the regulations of advertising signs. (1) it pro-
poses to limit site of advartisi;ng signs to not less than 100
square feet nor twreK- than 300, and he felt 750 square. .feet would
be adequate and not overly permissive, (2)' it proposes to set up
a spacing distatize of 2000 Eget between signs on the sage side of
the .hxg1way, and he felt this w&r adequate for an interstate high-
way but that where- traffic groves slower the spacing should be re-
duced accordingly- (3) it praposes to space advertising signs at
least :500 feet frot::a residential district ', park school or play-
gj;o nd iVt1l.t ell fa i :i+ ilL was t1tif i r as co m erclal, businesses located
next to these districts could locate a sign as. close as 50 Jo 75
feet, and (4) it propo Qs to prohibit the erection of advertising
signs within 100 feet of an intersection, and he felt 75 feet `wotald
he a more realistic distance,,
Sans Ragen President of Ban -Con, Inc. showed the Planning Commis-
cion a 4 square foot; directional sign which lie had prepared andsion
placed at the rear of the Councid..Chambers and told the Cor aission-
ers that he felt it would, be useless on the highway if limited to
this size. He added that if signs are to aid 'develop,ient they
must be allowed in other areas besides business and inaustrial,
zoned districts. Planner Overhtser pointed ouw that the new State
lAwx states you cabrot signs that da not relate to the
premises unless you are in these tonin; districts. Conuni:ssioner
Keeley asked;xir: :la-8ert if he felt moving direptional signs out to
the property linee would be holpful, and I%L . Hagen said it would.
Flo,,,td B. Olson, 16521 - 281:h Avenue .North raised questions con-
cerning the definition c . "Gonstruction Period," and provisions for
real estate "for sale" signs and open house signs.. It was agreed I.
that these sere areas that would require further clarification..
Following the, hearing of the opponents, fir. Ferril indicated he
felt that the since limit ori directional signs should be; greater
than the 4square feet proposal as his Board of Zoning Adjustmants
would take a very strict interpretation of the Zoning Ordinance
when reviewing variance requests
The Public rHearing was closed at 5r00 p,m. PUBLIC IIk:ARI\G CLOSED
Motion made by Commissioner Xeeley, second by Commissioner Roth, MOTION 'NOT TO TAKE
not to take any action at the current meeting on the proposed ACTION
amendments. Motion, passed 5-0.
A-361 Professional Offices in Residential Districts A-361
A Public hea.rim g was held :to consider proposed amendment to the PROFESSIONAL OrFICES
Zoning Ordinance init$,ted by the Villai n Council which ..*-tu1d, IN RES1DU T1.II, Dr30,ic
ellov professional offices in residential districts by Conditional
Use !exmit.
P annitzg Cot;uttission _3 :' Tebrua.ry 2, 1972
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Planner Overhiser explained thatathe Council had requested that the
Village staff prepare: a proposed amendment ,and. ;that the Planning
Conm.ission, hold a Public Hearing and .:report their recommendations
Mack. t6 the Council.. , He further read to the Cow..mi.ssion. the drafted
amendment which would amend Sections 4, 5 and, 7 of the Zoning ordi- rdi-
nanceknancek
The Public Hearing was opened at 9;05 p,m. PUBLIC HEIRIZG OPENED
No one appeared at the Public Rearing to spew: on Ibis matter
either as proponents or opponents.
the Public Hearing was closed at 9;06 pm. PUBLIC HE.&RENG CLOSED
Xoti.on made by Commissioner Keeley, seconded by Commissioner MOTIOR POR ACTIO;
Vagea, for action. at, the eurrent meeting. Motion passed: 5-0... f
A-364 LN.evro, b vel.opment Corporation (TRENTON I A-36-4 ~
Metro Development Corporation, requests Preliminary Plat approval: METRO DEVE-LOP'MENT'
for a proposed 29 unit townhouse development on Outlot A of the CORP. - 1''.CRE:TOC3",
Sagamore Cevelopz~ent. Planner overhiser .indicated that under the Preliminary flat
tu::rent R-4 zvnirz a maximum of 34 units could be developed.
The Public: Halari,ng was opened at 9.17 p.m. PUBLIC IiEARIt\G C PP`TER
G1ea hetz of Retro Development: Corporation presented their plans PROPO FEN7S
to. the Planning Commission and explaiped that the reason the land
was not built" on previously vas because the land sloped to tae lack
and the storm sewers presented a problem at the time Sagamore was
developed, This is new being hmadled by catch bas ns Oich hook
up yr th the .storm sewers of the soho,)I to the north., lie enpla ned
there ztirotil.d be 4 units per building and showed the three different
building styles they would build.,
Commissioner Keeley gtest; on,,!€1 if this Outlot< A, was included in
the original density calculatl.oas for Sagamore, It was dete=Ained
that this is a matter which mn,Ai t be clari. ied
Fred !'engelkoch, 10440. Rochford Road.,: owner of the property to the. OPPONENTS
east of Trenton questioned the ownership of Sagamore. Planner
C-,rerhiser explained Chat Sagamore has been dea.ded, to someone else
but that Metra Development Corporation plans to develop this tint
tat A fir, Mangelkoch also questioned their plans :for grading
because of his co4cern over the ?ow area to the back, 'tr. Metz
explained that they planned to step the buildings .57owa the hill
and that .the contour of the land would not be rahanged much.
harry Boardman, 4155 Revere lane, asked if this would be conte
sfdered a ponding area such as that set out in the criteria of
the Village Goa`is, Planter QNTerhisex explai.nea it -was a hillside
or slope but would not be considered a ponding area. He also
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Y:lanxing Corctission -4- February 2, 197.2
questioned why they were not requesting rezoning to R-3 for tattse
units, .and it was explained that,as long as the units,'which could
be viewed as 4 unit apartments, tnen the density requirements under
R-4 they would be allowed. Boardman expressed disappointment
at the sloe development of Segamore and felt steps should be taken
to avoid this in the future.
Mr. Xetz pointed outs that 3.3 or 34 units would be allowed ` under the REBUTTAL
present zoaing, but that there is, much more open space with the
present plan.
P:ublia Hearing was closed at 9.45 p.ra. PUBLIC_MMINC CLOSED
For lack of a moti oja for action, the matter will be referred to
committee ;for further study. NO MOTION FOR ACTION
A--323 FIdIl.ate E. Pree::an A-3 3 (,
Public Hea-zjav was hold to consider the re.zonin request of WALLACE E. TREENHA ,
Wallace E. Freeman for a total of 61.4 acres located at the south- Rezoning from B-1 to
west corner of State'higl4-y 55 and County Road 18. R-4 and from R-4
B-1 to B-2
planner Overhiser rev eu=ed the proposed land use which would change
the current 19.5 acre R-4 to a total of 24.9 acres R--4 on. whictz
312 units would be constructed for a net density of 12.5 units per
acre. They also pxopose changing the B-1 and i-4 area' to,20.(v5
acres D-2 retaining 15.85 acres as B-1 on which to construct a shop -
ping center facility of 64¢000 square feet, a service center of 2,500
square feet and a restnuraat of 4,000 square feet. The site plan
proposes two access pointto Ratty Crocker Drive and State Hig'lwa
55 frontage road:, The 'Petitioner did request a similar rezoning in
1:971 which was denied:: by the Council, on 10-18-71.
Loran Galpin of 'Hi,dwest Planning and Research presented thein site PROPONEITES
plan to the Planning Goxmfission alon with a feasibility report pre-
pared on the development. He pointed ou't that the access poi,rts
would line up with those of the Shelard development. , The: shopping,'
center is designed to be primarily a neighborhood center. The
apartment project vould have a 17.91 landcoverage, and 8 of the
units in the 2 -story apartments would be owned units. He also pointed
out< that the area will be adequately buffered, to the north if .this B-1
area is ever developed.
Howard Dahlgren, President of Midwest Planning and Resea•%:ch responded
to questioning regarding the under raund parking requirements in _he
proposed Zoning Ordinance amendments by stating that the very poor
land and water table conditions makes underground parking very diffi-
cult but that they would work with the Village on this. matter.,
In responsa to questioning by Chairman irahl and Cotunissioner. Kroskin,
Mr. Dahl$,ren explained- that he felt there would: be no problem with
traffic includin; , that from Uneral Millsis as there is a good mixture
of offices, apartmext;s and shopping center and their peat-, of
traffic volutre won't coincide. 4
Tlan tng otzlmiss:ion N$K, February 2, 1972:
Tom: Erickson, attorney for '=r. Freeman,, appeared and wanted. the Com-
missi.onera to know that the previous zoning request had been denied
to clear the books .so that the new, proposal could be developed_.
Jim Tuvey,, one of the owners of the property to the north appeared
to express bis approval, of the project. `.
A, C. Born, C'0r.sultiag Engineer for General Mills, recommended OPPONEiM
that the, proposal be deferred uotiil such time as definitLr plans
are adopted for the, 1-394 project. He indicated that current
thitakI-14-g i oul.d abandon, an.y access from County ,Road 18 to Betty
Crocker Drove but that no decision will be made until July. Plan-
ner Overhiser reported on .a meeting he had attended in Minnetonka
Where he received indications, that the I-394 project will be de-
layed 'until the: transit study is completed, uthich could possi7bly
be another year,
Bob Graham, Assistant Pl.anaer, for the City of St.. Louis Park,
appeared and gave the Commissiocers soma information on the pro-
posed shopping center in Shelard Park. He indicated,this center
was designed to be somewhat self-sufficient and Pelt that another
shopping, center adjacent to it would be too much for the needs of
the co ltmunity.. Commissioner Kroskia asked if the Shelard project~
had been approved, and tib. Graham said it had not and that
approval would probably be affected if the Freeman project weve
approved by Plymouth. Ir.. Graham also pointed out that any curb
cut itito betty Crocker drive would necessitate a permit from St
Louis Park as this stt..et was a dedicated street.
Councg,lman asked, for specific comments regarding the buffering
between the R-1 and R-4 area -it. INir .. Dahlgren stated this would
be worked out.
The Public Hear -.ng ua.s closed at 12;.05 p. -m. PUBLIC HEARING CLOSE
For lack of a motion for action, the matter will be referred to NO MOTION FOR ACTIO.
committee for further study.
A-361 Professional Offices in Residential Districts A -3b1
Gogo^issioner troskin stated 'khat he does not consider these pro- DISCUSSION ACTION
fessions as home occupations. The primary function of a home is
as a living structure with any business conducttad on the: premises
as secondary. He also added that he ,felt we co4ldnat limit this
to the occupations shownin the amendment as it Mould discriminate
against insurance ss lesmen, real.tors and ethers..
Notion made by Ca-Pmiss ones Reeky, second by Commissioner Kroski n:,. MUTTON TORR.ECO'MtTIT D
to recommend: den. -al of the Ordirlan' ,c Arandment because it is not a DENIAI.
good, use and could In -,!I probability dtow4grade the qual tv of the
neighborhood,
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Planning Commission -6 February 2, 1977
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Moti*zx n`.rde by Cha:irnian, 14alxl, second; by Commissioner Yraskin, to MOTION TO AA%MND
amend ene, motion to include the xeason that the Planning Comm s-
s on feels this would geaeratt traffic and parkin; Z roblems for
the neighborhood. Motion to amend passed 6-0.
Chairman Wahl ques tioned Commissioner Keeley if this ltav:?;
effects on the insurance rates in a neighborhood, Coy,:.s:.'loner
Keeley stated he did not knots the f4,cts on the iasu-a:ance 'Wates but
did know that'uandalism increases particularly with a medical
suffice because of the drugs kept in such a facility.
Roth if t:lzi.s is enl* concerned with exist-
ing neighborloods, or could they be developed in a punned unit
developveat. Chairman Wall advised this was one itean that would
be considered 'whea working on the P, t1, D.. Ordinance.
MOTION FOR DENIAL
1Ibtion to recommenct denial; passed. 5-0, PASSED
A--265 Continemt-al Contractors, Inc. A-265
Request for final site plan approval by Contincital Contractors, CONTINENTAL CONTMCTORS
Inc. for their development on the west of State Highway 101 between Final, Site plan
County 'Road 6 and 19th Avenue :forth for 146 units (14 townhouses
and 132 apartments) on 8.5 acres for a gross density of apprQxi.
mately 17.2 units per acre.
Architect Milton 8ruflodt appeared to present the site plan, to the
Commission, He explained that 3 of the structures were underground
garages with parks. and tem°is courts on top of the garages. The
apartments have 84 2-bedr6om unLL4 is and 48 1-bedroom units,, the town-
houses facing .ierrimac Lane hc: 8 3-bedroom units and 6 2-bedroom
units. Rental `;sill be under $2., .ase of the market demands at
the present time.
Conntis.sioner Keeley asked if there were any elevators in the apart
wants and the length of the facade. qtr. 8ruflodt ind cated there
were no plaits :for elevators and thy; tl.ie :Facade was approximately
200 feet. He also indicated that present plants do not provide for
enclosed :;fractures for the crash, When quer to u. pd regarding t'ze.
intent of the landscaping plans, he stated the -trees would probably
be of 3" standard.
Warren Davis, 1615'Merrimac Lane presented a petition from resident
of Merrimac Lane, Olive .Lane and 19th Avenue x or th bearing 48 signs
tures :requesting that no access off of Merrimac Lane. ,tiorth of County
Rood 6, and south of 13th .Avenue South be provided to service the
proposed Super Valu or the, towahous.es because of their concern that
access would cause a safety hazard, t
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A-185. Bas -sett Creek Estates A 155
Motion made by Ooruidss .oder Kroskin second by Commissioner BASSETT CREEK ESTATES
Threi!'txen, to d- ,er' action on this request for a grading and
filling permit vintil tl:e next meeting. Motion passed 6-0. MOTION TO DEER ,
Plaaning Cuutmis.sion _7, February 2, 1972
Iiotion, made by Commissioner Threinen second by Commissioner Hagen, IOTIONI TO DEl!ER
to defer action on tizis site plan until the Council has considered
the proposed amendments to the; Zoning Ordinance relating to multiple
development projects..
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A-352 \oral utestern Bell Tele ihot.e Company A-359
Request for Conditional Luso: Permit for construction of a central NORTIFRESTERN BELL
of c if Ierhcool• Laze and County Road 9, Construction TELEPHONE COMPANY
is to begin in 1973 on this: 14,000 sgIsare foot building which will Condi-,ioaal Use Permit
be used for switching and not a facility to service the genetal-
public>
Bob Dokken appeared representing Northwestern Ball and explained
that this location was very close to the gird center of the area
to be served and that any deviation from that l.oca,tion wouldcost
them money. He also explaincd that it was accessary that they be
at least a quarter of a mile from'the power lines along 1-494.
Chairman t%nhl stated that of the two site plans: presented he pre-
ferred Plan B because of the driveway and. traffic flow.
Notion made by Commniss.ioner Hroskin, second by Commissioner MOTION TO APPROVE
Threinen, to recormn ad approval of the Conditional Use Permit on;
this site utilizing Site Plan B. `lotion passed 6-0.
A-120 Ban -Con, Inc. A-320
Request for a Cond.,tional Use Permit y:or an advertising sign BA -N -CON, INC.
located at the southeast corner of State Highway 55 and County Conditional Use Permit
Road 24. The sign is in exis taa e and is located less than 50
feet from the highway right-of-way,
Chairman. Wahl explained that the 'Village is bound by State regu-
lations a0ad that these regulations which mill be going into effect
shortly,would not, allow this sign«
Motion by Commissioner Kroskin, second by Commissioner Roth, to - MOTION TO LILI.OW LI
recommend that the sign be allowed to stay until they State regu- STATE REELyMONS
lati.ons come into effect. kiotion passed 6-0. INTO EFFECT
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A-185. Bas -sett Creek Estates A 155
Motion made by Ooruidss .oder Kroskin second by Commissioner BASSETT CREEK ESTATES
Threi!'txen, to d- ,er' action on this request for a grading and
filling permit vintil tl:e next meeting. Motion passed 6-0. MOTION TO DEER ,
Planner Comission, February 2, 1972 1
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It w as a rets that discussion. of the proposed BY -Laws be deferred TROROM Y-LATNS
until the ww members of the Planning Commission have had a chance DEFERRED
to rev ett s Am --
ioti:on, to adj.oum passed all in favor. Adjournment at 1.00. a.m. NOTION TO ADJOURZ.4
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TOZ ''PLYMOUTH VILIA , PLANNING COMMTSSIQN -_COUNCIL
We the uy dersigned do hereby petition the; Village of Plymouth requesting
that no acoes s: off of Men-i.mac Lane north of County Road 6 and south of
19th Avenue he provided to service the proposed Super Valu Store on the
northwest comer of Highway 101 and Cot at,,,,. i"4oad G. "fie also request
110 access: Onto Merrimac lane from the LOwnhouses now planned north of
the Super Valu. We overwhelmingly endorse the early December,, x,97
action of the Plymouth Planning COMIPiss on wherebythey recommended
no,acs. As residents of the area just west of tn. ; pzwQposed ;shopping
center and townhouse -apartment complex, we do not need the "convenience".
as suggested by Super Valu and furthermore feel. that the aocess roads
world only cause a safety hazard to the some forte children, who live on
IN'Terrimao &ane.
Thavik you for your consideration,
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no -Atcaso onto Merrb,440 taut ftin bo flo l ,a north of
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Oenter and twwl'ho - potme t, Oozplex, vvo do -nneed tb*
Sutis ed, bv Super Valu and fur fool t4at tho acoeas "
WmId cony cause il safet's"* hazw WOO oxit forty thiWren who. " 1 o
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thw A0 aCCOSs off of Nlerrimac xiorth Of CotxlatRooLd $end south o
11.,b Aveeaidod to s l tho4 d Supt.t. IMM $tom Da the
pane. i.ix 101 end+ uest
no me -'ontca Ivierrimac, Lane fcom the tom o ae w planned north o
WU n fthO P IYM.Outh PlAruningCommission ; recomwended
r10 a ces . As- reatdeato of tho Prez lust vmat of in
centar and ccs jp p ., WO do nv no-ed the ",00nventenm4
Uggetted by Zapper Valu and f j,-tj er,,,rom fOjoj ` , , Ce$,q roads
v:r,u d Only *use vw safety hazord to the aome forty chih,,sa who Uva or
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zoquosting that ata tja e j2z raft orXgrrim:Ic Lane north or CountyOad6andaauthof19thAv-eatte he pro,,,- ,ded to service theproposedsuporValor §tore sn the aerthweet corner Of Highway 101aawthtyRoad6,., o, also request to access or t.o Xerrimac LanefromthetoahousesUOV4plannednorthortheSuperV'q' lug.. Wciv :r rhe m - endorse the earlYearDeaeraber 1971 act: on ar thelYmOuth `lana .n, C'e=issioxi whereby they, recommended no ss As residents of the, area us gest of the proposed, shap.Ang centern"t tQwAheuse--aP&r'tm,ent ':ot* ex We do nat deed the "Coa rez iente" as sdggestet! b Surer Vluo arid. furthermore feel- that the ac eaaraacaroadendcauseasa0tYhazard. tO the sOMO forty r -hi drezLWholivecinXer.rim a Laze.:
Tha;tk you for your c,crnsideration
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We'tho- Uj d6jaS fined 40 iaazeby p4Utian the, Village at Plymouth req%iesttng
that nes a nezt, of V orrimac TAne north of Cv,z my ted 6 and nou h of
I9th t t< c # pr-,rig!oO. to service the proposed Super Valu Store on the
wrthwest corner of Vigh.mmy 101 and Coin tty Road 6. We also reoueet
no micers; antra. NAerrimac ;Gane frau the towhhMses tiow planned ztarth, Of
t . " n x <3 3' > • °,4 °helt?+ n t endorsec t nrr` ''rr, #r ba r, ? T? I
actiant of .the Piyr.oiatb Planning Cmml3sion whereby they rnvomr-,endad
Yl t . " A ° ': `.* Aus t" f `talo area Ju8t `a"t G`. VA", t"*'"b+x.;",. lae c, ;I : pain
ntjFr ,&,nd t-4t'hcF spa ztmmerrt cOmplex , WC ;I not rimed the "co veruence,x
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I.V Super Vai'u and tur` tern ore fPe' t it the access rte*-td"
A i : woold- onty causa a soferty hizard to tho soma forty thtidren inho live oil
Thoink you for your consideration.
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