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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 01-05-1972PIALINIM CMDUSSION VILL.ACI Or, `i)LO QUTH,, MINNESOTA January .5,, 197 A egu'ar meeting of the l'lannin; _ zxamissian was called to order by Chairman Wahl at 7x85 p.nt. iu the Council Chambers of the iublic Works Building on, Wednesday, January 5 1972. MEMSPS MSENT: Chairman Jim Wahl.,. Commis,-,ioners: Bill Xe.eley, Warrent Chapman, Jobb Roth and Dale Pollock VIMBA A: SENT Commissioner Reg Yxosk .0 STAFF PRESENT-. Martin, Overhiser,, Saady Haugen., James Willis and Tran Bauer O'1~HERS PRESENT Charles Poppler; C. A Martin, Hans Hagen, Kenneth Schi.ebe, t ex:y Stenqui,sn, Trank Eurg Jr. Roland Krueger, Councilman Gerald N(ils and others, A-351: Robert A. Schnuerl.e Condi<tioaal.Use Permit) Aa351 A. Public Hearing was held to consider the petition, of Robert A. ROBERT A.SCHNUERLE Schauerl,e for a Conditional Use Permit for a mobile home saxes lot Conditional Vza at the nor three s t corner of State Highway 55 and Peony Lane. Permit The Public il^ariag utast opened .at 7,-35 p.m. Charles Poppler, repro- P IBLrs.0 11RARTN seritin.g the Petitioner, was the on?y individual appearing bP )re the Plannin Commission on the subject. Planner Cverh ser reviewed the request and the: previous action taken by the Zlanning Commission. He explained to theCommissioners that this was an interim use in that the property was owners by Red Ow Corpor&tion vho planned to dot,"elop the area within five or seven years Chairman Wahl read into the record a letter received :from Mildred OPPONENTS ctmi:dt, 18415 Highwa,, 55 elated January. 1, 1972 opposing the loca- ting of a. mobile home sales lot. in Pl.ymcotxQp (Copy of letter marked EXHIBIT wA on file) w Commissioner Pollock questioaed whether there would tae direct access QUESTIONS onto Highway 55 or if this would require another access, Mr.. DISCUSSION 11opplar explained that there is a frontage road and access in e istaxtce lead ing to tate neighboring -bait shop. Irk response to Commissioner Roth's questioning, Mr., Poppler indi ca.ted their piens called for eleven units including the office unit;, Commissioner Keeley asked if ;Real Ovl had any objections to drainage from, this, lot onto the -property which they own to the north and east of this ,proposed site. 'fir. Poppler explained they,did not plan Planoimg Cowm ssion January 5, 197 to ohange the bevel of the lot significantly in that the parking area was very levol and that they planned to and around the units. He coua:ld not see any drainage problems. Commissioner Roth asked 'what kind of surfacing :.they planned for the parking lot, Xr., Popplar indicated he assumed it would be asphalt, Commissioner Keeley indicated there were, two matters that concerned him; first, he felt t'he frontage: road should go entirely across the frt txt of the property, and second, that side, yard tequir malits should be the same as they would be for anybody, else. 13i. Poppler indicatod the site could be moved :over as they were leasing the entire area from, ked Octl and that there had been some discission z i,th the owner of the bait shop regarding paving both of th ' - parldng lots together. He also indicated he had discussed the extension ,or the frontage road with the S :ate who told Mm. that because of the propokTt d cloverleaf at that intersection tlxey felt it would be a waste of money. Commissioner Roth asked. what kind of sani.taryc 'system was proposed... Mr. Poppler indicated they would put in.a system acceptable to the Village which would. be a wall and approved septic fle`l:d. The Public Hearing wa3 %Aosad at 7;47 p.m. PUBLIC HEARING u CLOSED CoamnisLi oxer Pollock made la motion for action ,it the p;:esent meeting, s€toad by 4 ommissioaer 'Keeley. Motion passed 5 Q. MOTION ]±ok ACTION Commissioner Keeley, pointed out that by approving .his ;petition DISCUSSION they would be placifag their approval, on the sale of a product which is not allowed within the Village.. Ccommi.ssioner Pollock indicated he felt this was aceeptalile as theta vert. other products sold within the Village for which usage was prohibited, such as firearms. There followed discussion -regarding the general appearance, of most mobile home lots. Mr, Poppler told the Commissioners the units would be ori vheels, and they have projected sales of 8 to 12 homes a month dur :og the peak mon:ta ks of May, ,lune and July. Commissioner Roth pt.gvosed the idea of approving the aoquest icor 'a six month probationary period and placi,tzg some con=trols on it as to Appearance with perioditi,t inspections mada by staff. ';hairman Stahl pointed out that this vo\uld be impractical because of the amount of inves trent involved on the past of the .Petitioner. At this polat Mr. C. Ar Martin, who arrived after the Public Hearing, had been; closed, was asked if he desired to speak regarding the subject. Mr kLirtin questioned the access and was told the present access road leading to the rte ghboring sport shop which he owns would be used. He indicated he was only concerned about the access as there is a great decal of traffic on this corner, however,. indicated that he was present merely to observe and not objact. Mr. Poppler added that he had talked to the State rej;arding a turning lane, and that if isoth the State and Village wanted thi it probably couldd be constructed, Planning .Commission January 5 1972 141oti6n made by Commissioner Keeley, second by Commissioner Chapman, MOTION TO DENTY to recQmmegd denial, of 0 -to .1onditional Use Permit .for the reason that it is not a use we need in Plymouth at this time since we neif her recogaite nor do- not recognize mobile homes in out ordi- nances. They further pointed out that there is always an aesthetic problem involved with mobile home lots and that in order to main- tain a look of neat permanency, the restrictions 'they would have to place on it would make it prohibitive :to the developer. Com-, missioner Pollock felt it is a reasonable temporary, land use and that the conditions could be met lry a developer. Commissioner Roth expressed concern over other requests tbey might receive in the future if they approve thiq, petition and if they could deny others if they approve this one. Planter Overhiser proposed that if the permit Naas issued for one year any conditions that were not satisfactory to any member of the Com- mission could be investigated by the staff and corrected to the satisfaction of everyone. Commissioner Keeley rioted that; because of the investment involved he would hate to revoke that parmit after only one; year and further noted that this is a heavy=-duty operation whereby units are constantly being moved around, and this would be very disturbing to the ;.xelghbors. Commissioner Roth indicated he fejt the Planning Commission should recommend denial because there are inadequate controls on this type of operation in tbe. 'pillage. Motion to recommend denial of the permit passed 4-1 with Commissioner MOTION PASSED Pollock v:otirig against, A--li Vida a Street Nu mi and Vumberin stem r '; This subject has arisen because: of the request by Bans Hagen, STREET NAMING & President of Ban-Cou, Inc, to assign numbers for each lot within IUMBEP ING SYSTEM the Chelsea Woods devetopmAt and address es lots as "M Chelsea Woods", etc., rather than the standard Village street naming and C'HEI,SEA WOODS numbertog Planner Overhiser gave the Commissioners a brief background of the request of Ban -Con kind the, street naming and numbering system es tablished:by the Village pre\,iously. He indicated the staff recom- mendation-vas ecom- mandation-vas that they adhere as much as possible to this established system, recogaiting that Che, --e are problems with affixing a grid -iron naming and numbering system to a curvilinear project such as Chelsea Woods but also recognizing that by going against the system and in- serting n.- seri nng foreign names into the system, problems are caused for emergencyand delivery vehicles 0 Planning Commission January 5, 1972 Commissioner Xealey reminded the Planning C*xmissioa that under the Security section of the planning, Goals, Objectives and Critoria, it calls to the attention of the Village officials that they noir have a hard enough time finding thinp in their own. Village and the number- ing system should be very definitely adhered to as wall as the street naming system to augment the finding of people or houses in trouble. Commissioner Pollock added he felt there must be some basic system for locating property both for protection of life and property, The Village has such a system so tho proposal would either be an exception of an adoption of a. new systef. The present system, even though it is not perked, does indicate the getieral coordinate location both north and south and east and west through the numbers and alphabetical names, and uaLil a system can at least equal the present system in this regard it is logical to retain. the preso-t-t system. The aesthetic consider- atioas do not seem to outweigh the practical considerations which were pointed out by Chief Hawkinson and Chi Bauer. Hans Hagen appeared on behalf, of Baa -Con and presented their plan to the Commission. Re pointed out that most home buyers object to living on a street k-alled 30',- Avenue North, He felt the present system used in the Village is not only inadequate but inaccurate in that it only generally locates something. He proposed the new system for Chelsea Woods because of his concern for safety and cited the confusing matter of streets which 'run in virtually every direction and the difficulty in coming upwith a numbering system. This is a community development within the Village and easily identifiable. This is an era of planned unit developments, and ho felt the Village should go, all the way on the logic of planned unit developments. Commissioner Keeley felt more problems were created with the proposed type of numbering system than if they coatinued with the old. Commissioner Pollock felt there is enough flexibility in the present system to accommodate Chelsea Woods. The Village is less than 1/3 developed, and there will be several Liore planned unit developments within the Village in the future which will cause confusion. Chief Fran Bauer recalled that these discussions were held with the Planning Commission previously in 1,959 and 1960 when he was a member and. the present system was adopted. He indicated arrangements are made with surrounding communities for aid in time of emergencies and that these vehicles are usually directed into the Village by police car. Commissioner Roth pointed out that lie could only see two areas in Chelsea Woods where it could become confusing and otherwise everything seemed to fall into a fairly logical pattern. I -lotion made by Commissioner Keeley, second by Commissioner Roth, 'to MOTION TO DENY recommend denial of the request for the reasons of continuity, safety and access., Motion passed 5-0., Planning Commission -5- January 5; 1972 A-360 Village Full Temporary Office Addition G Planner Overhiser explained. that the Village tans requesting a A GEVILLAGE. HAT,L TE il'» Conditional Use Permit to locate a mobile home office unit adjacent OItARY OFFICE ADD'N to the Village Hail on the west side. This would be the same location as the mobile unit which was removedin the Spring of Conditional Itse 1970 when the Village offices were expanded and remodeled. Permit Village Manager James Willis appeared and Cold the .Cozmiissioners of the extreme space problem., in the Village Ball. Ile indicated they do not wish to add onto the Hall permanently because they project that there should be a. new structure within approximately three gears. They are,, therefore, requesting a Conditional Use Permit for three years. Commissioner Feeley questioned whetb*zx the Village hada looked into rental space. Manager Willis indicated f Pliad blit this was not economical plus undesirable to separate dupaw:Lments in difserent facilities. He also added that the unit will. cost less than $5,0010 new and possibly could be sold for one-half that .amount in three years: Moti,oit made by Commissioner Keeley, second by Commissioner Roth MOTION TO APPROVE: to recommend approval of the request subject to review in three years. Motion pas; Kid 5-0. A-283' Schiebe's Oakwood' Final Plat A-28-3 Kenneth S. chiebe and Henry Si= enquis t appeared with their Final, Plat SCHIEBE `S OAKWOOD for Planning Commission approval and the chairman's signature. Final Plat Planner Overhiser indicated the only change from the preliminary plat was a strip of land 30' by approximately 135" which is being deeded to the Village for street purposes at the southwest corner of :the property akid contiguous with Kimberly bane. Motion made by Commissioner Chapman, second by Commissioner Pollock, MOTION TO APPROVE to approve the Final Plat for signature. Motion passed 5-Q, A-331 Westfield. -_Vern Donnay Homes Inc. (Preliminary Plat) A-331 The revised Westfield preliminary plat contains 194 lots on WESTFIELD - VERN approximately 100 acres. Outlot A is proposed for public park DONNAY HOMES, INC. and walkways which -would link up with the Ponderosa and Fazendira add ,tion$, Outlot B. would provide street access to the Georgia Preliminary Plat property. Outlot C will provide street access to the unplatted area between Seven. Ponds and County Road 24. The average area Planning. Commission 6- January 5, 1972 per lot is 15,362 square feet, and the open space proposed for public dedication is also over the c-dinance requirement of 10 percent with over 13 percent being shown as open space and ponds. In .response to Commissioner Chapman LS question, it was noted that the Park Commission had not yet seen this preliminary slat or had an opportunity to comment on it. This would be done at their meet- ing ,on January 6, 1972. Mr. Overhiser stated that the Park. Commis sion had seen the previous plat in which the open space was nearly identical to the present plat and that they had approved that plan- It was the consensus of the Commissioners that: they would like 'to both have the rep.)rt from the Park Commission and sec. the Ponderosa and, Fazendin plans before considexiag this matter further. Commissioner Seeley questioned whether :here were any l is in the proposal which would require any variances on building line set backs and was advised there were none Chairman Wahl felt the Planning Commission should go on record with the Park Commission and it should be conveyed to the Park Commission that the Planning Commission has some concern regarding the 20 foot walkways of that length and more specifically the walk- ways proposed along the east edge of the: property. Commissioner Pollock expressed concern over the problem of privacy when, these walkways are developed near single family dwellings. Motion made by Commissioner Pollock, second by Commissioner Keeley, MOTION TO TABLE' to table this matter until the 19th,of January when further infor oration is available, that information to include what we Know about the green acres of ponderosa, Fazendin and Mapledell and the Park Commission's .final thoughts on this project. Motion passed 5--0. Commissioner Chapman recommended the Park Commission take a. look: at areas in New hope: where they have developed problem areas like this into one large pond. Chairman Wahl recommended: to Mr. Burg that sufficient development work, be done on the ponds to meet tha requirements of the ordinance both for ponding purposes and aesthetic value, In response to Commissioner Chapman's ques tion, Commissioner Pollock noted that if the school does locate at this location they would pro- vide sufficient open; space for active recreation. Motion made by Commissioner Pollock, second by Commissioner Chapman, RECOriMRNDATION TO that the Planning Commission advise the District 284 School Board of SCHOOL DISTRICT 284 their recommendation not to completely surround and form an island o the Georgia house (that is, the property north and east of the Georgia house),., Motion, passed 5-0. Planning; Commission January 5, 1972 A-561 Professional Offices in Residential Districts = The Village Council at their meeting on December 27, 1971 did OFFICES IN RBSI- direct, the staff to prepare a proposed ordinance amendment which DENTIAL DISTRICTS would allow 4ertain types of professional offices, such as medical doctors, which may be used in residential zones for the Planning Commission's review. They instructed the Planning Commission to hold a public hearing at the earliest possible time in January and, imme- diately refer it to the Council with their recommendations. Motion made by Commissioner Chapman:, second by Commissioner Pollock, MOTION TO SET to set a public hearing on the proposed ordinance as drafted by PUBLIC HEARING Attorney Lefler for the earliest possible date as: directed by the Village Council. Chairman Wahl expressed his concern over the traffic generated by such a conditional use. Commissioner Roth noted that this could be planned into a. large development such as Chelsea Woods. Commissioner Pollock felt this would be discriminatory to some professions and also noted that he felt the present home occupation procedure does not discriminate if they can.meet the criteria. He also expressed the feeling that it`would;be discriminatory econom- ically in that they wouldin tact be subsidizing these, professions which are: most able to buy land already zoned. These pe,Ae have the highest incomes i:ollowing discussion regarding the number of employees proposed in the amendment, the definition of the word "professional" and whether or not this would be allowed. in all. "R." zones, a vote was taken on the motion. Motion defeated 4-1 with Commissioner Pollock voting in `NOTION DEFEATED favor of the motion and Commissioners Chapman, Keeley, Roth and Wahl voting; against. Following further discussion regarding the proposed amendment and the instructions from the Village Council, a Motion was made by MOTION TO RECONSIDER IChairmanWahl, seconded Uy Com issioner Pollock, to reconsider their vote. Motion passed 5-0. A vote was taken an the original motion: to set a public hearing on the proposed ordinance as drafted by Attorney Leil.er for the earli- est possible date as directed by the Village Council.. notion 'MOTION PASSED pas : d 5-0. Notion by Commissioner Pollock, second by Commissioner Keeley to skip over items 5a and 51- on the agenda (Election of trice Ch irmaa and Secretary and Appointwznt of Committees) until the Planning Commission has had a chance to act on item 5c (Consider directing staff to prepare propo,.ed neer By -Laws).. Motion passed 5-0. I Planning Commission -e- January 5, 1972 Request by Commissioner geeley the ordinacce changes proposed by itheMultipleHousingDevelopmentCoaiminteeofwhichhewasChairmen be noticed for public hearing v,,, the 26th of January at the same time as the public hearing on; the Goals, Objectives qnd Criteria. Commissioner Roth questi.,,ned Commissionar Keeley if they had proposed any, limitation on the amout-,t of units in one building.. Commissioner Keeley, explained that the Uniform Building Code considers a building anything tets4een two fire walls, and it is difficult to set a figure on this.. It was agreed that there should be some reference made to the control over private streets in developments. Co.issioner Pollock told the Commissioners he felt there needed. to be a discussion and decision made as to what the tillage's general philosophy regardir,, multiples should be and that this should be the starting point. Motion by Chairman Wahl., second by Commissioner Keeley to schedule MOTION TO SCHEDULE: the ordinance: changes as submittedd by the Multiple Housing Develop PUBLIC°ERRING ment Committee for public hearing on January 26, 1972. Motion passed 5-0. 1`t was to be noted that all homeowners associations, the Village Council and Mayor should be notified regarding this hearing. Director's Report DIRECTORS REPORT Lake Street Industries will be starting construction in the Spring, 2. Housing Seminar 1-11-72. 3, As of 12-17-71 the contract with Eel -Mar Builders terminated, and Fox Meadows 11 is a dead issue. 4. Chelsea Woods 2nd Addition is on the Council agenda for 1;,-17-72 and the Final Plat was shown to the Planning Commission. Motion, made by Chairman Wahl, second by Commissioner Pollock to forward a resolution to the Council recommending that in Line with the Council Resolution No. 71-241 that the staff be directed to return,any request with substantial, change in a development project to the Planning Commission, As examples of substantial changes; any addi,t.oi or deletion of structures, change in access, change in density, .change in parking spaces and arrangement, changes in yard areas and distances between structures, any movement of any structure five feet in any direction. The Planning, Commission will provide further interpretation if needed. Motion passed 5-0. RESOLUTION TO COUNCIL itEUMINC CHANGES IN DEVELOPMEMr PROJECTS Planning Commission January 5 1972 After .further discussion it ikTas moved by Comnai;ssioner Pol,locic, PLANNING C011MISSION, second by Commissioner Chapman, that the Planning Commission review REVIEW OF PI= PLATS all final Plats against the approved preiimiaary plats before the Vi rt`" a