HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 06-16-1971VILLAGE OF PLYMOtiTI
PLANNING COMMISSION
June 1.6, 1971
reg lay meeting of the, Planning Commission was called to order by Chaia nx n 1h*a2il
on June 16, 1971 at: 7;JU p. , * in the Council Chambers of the Public 'Warl<a Dttilding, 101b 2'x ti Avenue Nortl , Fl-MQu:rh, Minnesota. -
PRESENT, Chairman Wahl, Commissioners Kroskin, Pollock, June, Neils, Xeelcy, Roth
and Commissioner Chapman arrived at 8110. (Commissioner Roth left at 9
A.ESENTI Commissioner, Egan
X19 Lowry Hills Deydopment CoiI - Rezoning
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A public hearing was #geld on the petition of .Lojvey Ii~ilis Development A-219
Company for rezoning ltom R}-0 Open Residence `S7istriot to R-4 Mt.J,- LOWRY. HILLS DEv,
triple Vamily Residence District, land: that is abutted by liollydale Golf- REZONING R-0 TO
Course on the north., County Road 9 on the south and Holly .Lane on R-4 - NEAR 1-10LLY-
the 'Most, DALE GOLF COURSE
DiscussionSeeRecordofPublic6/rl 71 and and Action b Commis-- y REVERENCE- A219,
ioners (6/17/71) Ivor details. 6/16/71
Ifttion made by Commissioner June,, secoticl by Commissioner. Pcllcck, MCY`CIOIV TO CON -
ko continue the public. bearing until. such 'time as the problem of T:INUE PUBLIC
utilities is fettled, ;Kotion passed all ixt favor. HEARING
A-316 A n-kgndm(.%t to Section 11
A public hearing was held on the petition of the Village of Plymouth A-:316
on an amendment to the zoning nrd; lance, Said amezidment would xe - AMENDMENT TO
P-061 Section 11, Subdivision 3, Paragraph 1q and substitute'Elie , 01- SECTION 11
l,owm* therefor.- ' "lirterohandising and merchandising services- which PLYMOUTH VILLAGE
are incident al. t9r accessory to uses ,permitted in Subdivision 2 and PETITION
3 of this Section.
Chai TUM WAW ,pointed out that this, hearing was necessary to correct NECESSARY TO
an error .u the 4onling ordinance Book, It dries not .make sense the way CORRECT AN ERR,;R
It now Leads.
Motion xnade by Comrais810ner June, second by Commissioner Neils,, MOTION & AMENT:
to approve the change in Section 11 as stated, Motionmade by
Comlnissloter Neils, second by Commissioner jute, to amend the
tnotiox to read 'sand is related to the principal rises of the dao:%
tioner, Motion on amendment passed all in .Favor zma motion as
at tended ,tssed in. i~ ?cwt"
Planning CoiTttxllission minutes _2 Jtllte 16, i97
See WgcussiolA Act*Zortby, Com.. , c Recoa;C i of Pub, hear.,. for details, RI FERENC:E A3 6
Chairman Wahl steted that the notim is to be referred to the riljage 6/14/71
Attorney for exact wording.
A'-320 - Ban-q54 ono. - Rezon, R- o R-
A public hearing was held on petition of Ban-Con, inc,. for rezoning A-320
from R-1 Si.ngle 'Family Residence District to R-3 Multiple gamily BAN-CON, INC.
Residence (Townhouses) District at the northeast corner of Dunkirk REZONING R-1, TO
Lane and Count), Road; #6. R-3
See. Record of Public Tearing fogydetails (6JI6/71) REFERENCE - A-320
Motion made by Comxnissloner Pollock, second by Commissionat Keelcy, MOTION
to tZke action tonight. Motion -defeated 3-5 with Commissioners
Pollock, Wahl and Keeley voting for and commissioners June, Kxoskin,
Rath, Chapman and Neils voting against.
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Petition xeferxed to Coxnraittee REF. TO COMM.
A-298 - Amendment to Section 15 - Paul Zeitins
Public hearing on petition of Paul Zeltins .dor an amendment -to t1lc A 298`
zoning ordinance. Said amendment would amend. Section 15, 'Subdiv% AMENDMENT TO
cion 5, Paragraph 6 and would permit a waiver of tha rainiroum area SECTION 15
required for an 1-1 district when such proposed distriLat abuts land PAUL ZELTINS
shown on the Comprehensive Guide Plan as being suiteble or intortdetl
for ,A 1-1 dis,tridt or an 1-2 district,
See Discussion and Action by Commissioners and, Record of Pul>lic REFERENCE - A298
He"mtl`ing for details. 6:/x6/71
Motion m4ae by Commissioner Pollock, second by Coxnrniss over MOTION
oskin, to approve the amendment as stated, Motion passed 5-2
with Conuaiss,loners Keeley, Chapman, Wald, Pollock and K oskin
toting :dor and Commissioners lune and Neils voting against.
A-309 - Armidmeat to Section Sanitary Land Fill
Public hearirsg was leeid on petition of John Spaeth and Jerome Begin A-309
Oil an amendment to the zoning ormnance. Said amend hent would AMENDI1IENT TO
amend Section 6, Subdivision 3, Paragraph 8 and would permit: the
disposal in
SECTION 6
of garbage a landfill operation by Conditwaonal, Use Per- SPAETH%BEGIN
mit in an R-O (Open Residence District) zone. SANITARY LAND FTL
Plaulning ornrnission Minutes June 16, 1971
Bei Discuss lot and Action; by Commisslosters, and Record of Public REPS, ENCS -- A,30154
Hearing for details. 6' 16M
xtion made by_Coraanaiss.io",r ""nd ,by Comxnissionet Kiosk h, MOTIOT TO DENY
recon tmiond denial of the proposed al aendmeat change because dog
not -Eoel it is proper for the Village, 01 Plymouth. MotioA to deny
pass d all in favor.
Roasons for denial are, REASONS Fop,
DENIAL
Planning Cor=lssion not Gc nvz iced that adequate controls
exist.
2.. Planning Commission -does not feel need 6cists for citizens
Of Plymouth.
3. Planning C;ontm,ission considers sanitary landfill world distort
oxde4y groWth of indust-cy and housing in conti nxous areas,
A-22.4 Hirsch. Brothers Final site ``plan a roval
Final site planp, approval was requested by Hirsch -Brothers for a A-rt 2411IR SC H BROS,
dS-unit apartment . FINAL APPROVAL
SIVE PLAN
Motion made by Cozaamissioner Neils, second by Commissioner Chapman, MOTIow
to approve, the final site plan of Hirsch Brothers subject tc tae items
lis. -ted below,
1 The house noxv on the property raus't be xemoved prior
to issuance of certificate of occupancy.
2 Easel: ents as required by the _ Village staff,
u,, Bonding for landscaping with materials and plats
specified to :the approval of thio planner,
4. Fence previously discussed be shown on final site plan.
passed T u nth Go tmissioners Chapman,' -June, Wahl, Pollcok,, VOTE
and Neils votin, . Keeley voting against and Gore~
Missione,c Xrwkin abs Laining.
See r&CUsssi
June 166 1971
Record of Public lIeaxinZ A-219
Public, Hear.. Petition of Lowy Hills P avelopment Company for rezoning from R-0
Open Residence District to R-4 ](Aultipl:e Family Residence Disixict
Ian,(! that is abutted by Hollydale Golf Course on the, north, County
Road 9 on the south and Holly Zane on the West,
Planner Bex g,Vt Gave a brief description of' the area.
Chrm. 'Wahl: Stated, the problem with utilities and the fact that, neither: sewer nor,
water are available in the area, "This must be settled by the developer
before the Commission can consider the zezonmg requeiA-.
Howard Ha l.an; Representing the. petitioner -- Stated they: are close to a decision on
the utilities, but it has not been finalized.
Xr b* nt Are there other issues to: this petition besides the utilities? 'What
abort those discussed back in 1969 when this first came befove the:
planning Commission? reels this is skipped development becauss
this is an R-0 district and has not been guided yet.
Pollock: Is opposed to skipped development. if the Commission is opposed. at
this time, then there is no point in carrying negotiations so far in
regards to sewex and water even if the developer is willing to do it
at his own expense,.
Vahl: The public hearing will be continued. Homeowners within 400 feet
of the area to be rezoned will again be notified as will the property
owners along the proposed trunk lines.
Motion: Motion made by Cominissioner junez second by Coramissioner Pollock,
to continue the public hearing until such time as the problem of
unities is settled. Motion passed all in favor.
dune 16, 1971
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Discussion and Action by Commissioners
Petition: Petition of PaulZeltits 'ar an amendment to the aonin_g ordinance,
Said amendment would, amend Section15Subdivision 5 Para a h 6
and would permit a waiver of the m°inimurn area re uired far an I-1
district V"*y ea such Pr22osecl district abuts land shown on the Co
pr sive guide Plan as beii suitable or intended for an I-1
district or an I-2 district.
Mo an: Njotlqa made by Commissioner Pollock; second. by Comm' ssaoner
Kxos'k , -o rove the amendment as stated.
Neils , The current plating ' and procedure plate ate concerned with the
deyeio meat of no less than 2O: acres at a time in order to avoid
leaving Plymouth Village vctlnerable to xezonina that Zjt be
s o .
B t Mau he waived if there are a number: of Conditions the Planning Com-
mission feels should be considered and met.
Wahl: My understanding of ; the amendment is that the waiver can be granted
only if the area. abating is zoned or guted I-1 or 5-2.
Ser Can be waived only if this is true.
Xeeleys Nothing says we have to waive another request if it does not meet
conditions and standards.
Vote on Motion, Motion passed 5--2 m=ith Commissioners Kelley, Chapman, Wah1,
Pollock and Kroskin voting fox and Commissioners June and Neils
voting against,
1Nahl; It shoten to that the area incl Ig -the Zeltans property is
under with the intent of e.is ;_ tide laEi for he a.
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June 16, 1971
Rec f 'Public Hearer
Public Hear Petition of p1r2 for a z amendment to the zoning ordinance,,
o .a nt wvSaimenarreotrld amend section 15., Subdivision 5, -Paragraph &
and w=ould a waiverof the tuxri area requirld . feat an T -x
distxic when such proposed ,district abuts land shown on, 'rho, Coin •
prehensive Guide Plan as being suitable or intended for an i -j, clxs`.
trice or an 1-2 di'tr2c t'
Planner Bergly, Gave a brief descrzptit , of the area involv'erI
Robert Dowden; Stated he was representinZ the petit over and that: hr' a roved of
the suge teaendmezxt, Ike; also said -hat inclust:Mal decisions
are usually made in a fairly short time frame; This. ordinance
chime Would, allow for speetli axe on industrial pet~i.%ons.
earinz Closed, Public hoarig was closed at 8 p.m,
1\10tian: Motion :made by Commissioner Pollock, second by Commissioner
K40skin, to approve the amendment as stated. Mutio, ass ed
5.12 with Commissioners Keeley, , Chapman, Wahl, Pollock and
Kroskin voting, fox: and Commissioners June and Neil, voting
agjams` .
Chrm. Wahl., It should be oted that the areair cluding the Zeltins profit tty, is
uiider study w.,th, the intent of revises the Ruiae plan for the area.
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June 16, 1971
F mrd of Public lloaritz .A-8,20
Public 'ti`.earin)z: Public hearing ,on petition of Beal -Cot, Inc, , for roroning from P -:L
Single Family Residence ',District. to R-3 Multiple nl y 2esWence
Tot rehouses District at the ncaxtheast comer rf Oiaairk Lane and
County Road #6.
Planner Per l, Gave a brief description of the area,
John CuniOgham: Architect from Times Annex, Inc. , and President of Ban -Con, Inc, ,
Hans Hagen:` represente4 the petitioner.
CunninOiam Gabe a slide px-esentatian of the proposed development. Pointed out,
the natural tea,tuxe,, of the area --water, ,woods:, open moadows, etc4 -
and how they ,: ere planning to ;preserve them. The, density, will be
3, 3 per acre. whereas 6.0 per' acreis norma Their to i:a1 density,
under the Plalmed Vnit Development will be 815. .Single family would.
be 760,
Xeeley: Northeast corm -why put the condominitwas t1tere? This may set
pattern for workhouse property-
a gen. Reason is that the ,lower the density the more trees it is necessary.
o talke out, Condominiums will be tucked iii the woods ---trying to,
achieve park lice atmosphere.
Neils. Wast is the nature, of the plot in t;he Northeast corner? You show
a corner cut off. Is this to be platted as an outlot?
9err: No, this is. workhouse property. We will he developing the-:ntire
parcel. While we do not a,iiAt Vicksburg, it would seem xeasonat.le
for the Council to -vary its assessment procedures and assess Chelsea
Woods for a portico, of the cost of deve loping Vicksburg. We expect
about 6517 of the traffic from Chelsea. Woods to exit on. Vicksburg
and then ga north "Co IIIighway 55 when 'Vicksburg is available.
l roskint what is the: selling price of l.oYnes,, townhouses and condomin'3xn$?
aen< To%tYnholises--2-bearoora/$30,000 range - 3--beclroox /$40,000 grange
Single famgiy - 6096/5}-bedrQom. _ 13%1/2. --bedroom - 15 o/4-bedrooni
Condominiums 2 -belt°oo m/$x,$,500 - $28, 500
Condozrit ituns x,011 be basically for the rctirement market.
lCroskin: How many- children per horae"
June 16, 1.971
Record of Public lfee i j
Tia en 2S child/townhouse - 1,8/single family home iyFgurxng no children
in the condominiums. If they do figure children, they would use the
apartment fide of i/10 of a chid. Cannot legally exclude child& n.
Neils leo you intend to plat parcel by platting; open space to be awned by
given homeowners association group
i3 There will be a total of four homeowners associatIons—tivo from the
single family homes, one each from the townhouses ana condomli iums.
Flat will be, sold to the homeowners associations as a package.
N With sections 1-2-3--1.1:, what acreage would you attribute to that
association?
Ila ens Cant answer specificalIv, but would appear to° b' about 16 acres or
thei;eauoats of 'open space, There would be 59 acres of open space out
of 9 .acres in .total project,
Pollock- Do you have more than one association at your Roseville location?
Ha Yes, we have. 'three associations.
Po You are assuming there would be different attitudes between the
residents of the four associations to justify the different associations.
Hagen
Rro'Ain: The price range will be less than those in Roseville, Why?
xgenc Better use of space., attached garages, better use of land. Qhtality
of the 'home Frill be the same --will use the same wood, bricks, etc.
that were used in the Roseville development - appliances will be mid-
range instead, of top range, ef-c
Xeill.sMi Covonza ts-_what; will: happen if people decided to go independent of
Ban -Con? Could open space go 'to -taxes?
a en have .three doacuMents: 1) Form corporation 2) Set up, by-laws
3) Covenants that go with the property.
Besides, people are subject to rues and regulations of corporations
and rules 'that have been aed with the plat saying he owns part of,
the common ground. Has obligation to pay dues just IB<e: he pays taxes.
Doesntt go to State, goes to boineownors association, He contracts'
for it. It is a legal obligation he has. Takes care of street axto_ -
ance etc. Could togo court and make him pay; No prevision in
the covenants for the association 'to give. -the Iand back -to the Village,
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public Hearing dune 16, 1971
Ilei Could they let the pro er t.a% els ' del' ,
XG _en, xIs o provision for this., They could let it go delinquent but only by
losing their own home o_ xiershzp. Do have a set of covenants vxtii
Ale toialght. (Presented them to Chairman ufthl.
Wahl,: We will refer` the oovenatits to the VMage Attorney for review.
hod4eller 16530 Coi nty 'toad #G - (:hvA the house and lot on the southwest
cornea. A tovmhouse would be located about 1$ feet from his
prOP23 YA AV,.Hagen .has assured Maxi he will 'be able to maintain
has Prxvacy8 1't, Dagen told hash tha L if -fhe trees don't buffer
his property sufficiently -to insure this. privacy,. Ban -Con, Inc, wz17
put a fence up aaad assume the costs. This project meets Ny itla
with Mr. 'Keller's approval and he feels it will; enhance the 7ilt+age.
A.rt' lust; xs:i Weston-lslwed theotxtoner about the stormsewer^.
cuningaharxi. Vndergrocuad pipe referred to is at Mood level. t will not effect
lakes or creep except it WRl prevent flooding. It is ar ovarflow
arrangement,
Dick Stewart: 16611. 26th Avenue North - Isn't there a covenant in the 1VTinneapol'
Workhouse property that says that the property around the workhouse
cannot be develonea multiple? Isn't it supposed to be developed
recreational?
1r alit There is no one in the xoom qualifi a to answer that question. It will
be referred to the Village Attorney,
a oy uss: 1620, Weston Lane - Is for the development the way, it .is Laid out right
now, reels t would be an asset: to the grillage, His only concern is
about the proximity of build wigs in. the project to the turn -around area
on Weston Lane.
Cuningha= There would be 50 ft. to the northern most property Zine,
K , oskin Frmv much 'space bebveea the iotises Ott Weston gone and the nearest
house in the project"?
Cunin fhani There would be 120 feet..
tlr:t Y\lust, Could the developer change his mind and pub townhouses there.? '
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A-320
Recorcl of vuulic Hearing June 16, 1.571
Wahl: Ithas been a ecen practice Of the Village Council to na°ce site plans
a part of the rezoning, The Planning Commission xecoxnxnezias that
tYPe Of contingence to the- Village Council.
Allan, Kraetx; 161.:15 Col<nty Road #- Likes the developi-cent. Has a house. u the
center of the southern end.
Ron 1405 Zanzibar - Is neutral at this t. The development does have
its oocl :eftv=' On ,ent and open space, They are concerned
about the txaffac on County Road K
T_ a en Pointed out how lie thought -.traffic vwould flow ---should go on Vicksburg
when Vicksburg is completed.
2rekker, Also concerned about sewer to the area. Would like •to avoid sowerI
in the area if possible (people lie was speaking :dor), They are also
concerned about the lot size for the single famAy residences and
Whether or not it fits the Plant -Led Unit Developmen# concerned about
the appearances of the buildings --but since they have to meet building
codes, this should take care of i.tse ; concerned that there are not
enough controls in the site: plan with just -the rc,oning--Gould the
southeim portion be separated an(I continued as R-1 zone?
He spoke ,trich Tess than half the 40. homecwtiers, to the south; people
along CountY 6 did not lice the developmont because of the traffic
problem,.
Robert ¢Dah'l Wanted to know where the entrance to the dei*elopraent offDunkirk
X645 IST, Da zlcxrk would be and wrhether it would be coming in his driveway. {Was
Pointed gut it would ;not interfere with his driveway,
Pr+ekkerr Asked where entrance off County 5 would be in relation to Zanzibar,
pIa ens Entrance would he betwecr: 4mizibar asid Archem Dane,
M..S, Kenlieth 171.5 DuekiCy: •- Road into tilee development off Donkirk wolo,ld be ri&i-
Lic at the end cf their d:cjV0way, Peovle are using Dunkirk now because
t is, so r,.:avenient., She it impressed with the idea of saving theland, poncls} etc.. but What is going to happen to the wildlife? ''leer
will be nothiztg left but peopleet
L 't Would you al.aiti tlla paxksng.?
Gunin pant:
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Sal:f-ace o street would be 24 tit, to avoRl ow -street parking, Ctd, de sac
be *stallsparkingwouldprovided. 3 pa6,Ing per unit overall,
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Record of Public Hearing 1971
What about changes to the creek already there?'
Ctmin.ghamA Will keop it the way t 1r.,
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Xentl Kromer: Zanzibax Lane - Quostlon about ziumber of people.
Ccanxtirl axn: Ban --Con Develop, tkent- would be 319 hcauses with 315 people, as compared
to 100 s.ingl.e family houses: with 760 people,
410
Robert 5ol.st:ad: Archer Lane, - Is concerned about the txa.E£ic.
lI Tnaf `ic will bo increased as a result of this development as compared.
to single family. Their analysis, shown, although it might not be
correct, that people will have -trouble getting County, 6. They, i_epl
Vicksburg when completed, will take the major flour of traffic.,
xxoskxn: When ti irl Vicksburg be complete to 55?
Ragen: Ban -Con has no control on that, but they feet it shoula be done as
soon, as possible
HearingClosed: Hearing closed al: ;x.45 p.m. J
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Motion- Motion made by Commissioner Pollock, second by Commissioner Keeley,
itoA,(e action that night. Motion d> featerl, 3--5 with Commissioners
ocl, Wahl and Keeley voting for and Commissioners June, Kroskin,
th, Chapman and Neils voting against. I
Petxtxon -wi 1. be retexred to committee. .
June 1611971
is rcuss on .and fiction byCommissioners A -31
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atit on. Public hoaring on. petition of the Village of Plymouth on axnendment
to the zoning ordinance, Said amendment would repeal Sect.i,on 11,
Subdivision 3, Paxagtaph IO and substitute the following; therefor,
IIAJhandising and merchandising service-, which are .Incidental or
acc€° sort' to uses petmittea in Subdivision 2 and 3 of this Section.
Motion, Motion rtiiade by Commissioner June, second by Commissioner Neils,
to. appzove the ehan e mi Section. 11 as s-tated.
Nei.s: is this merchandising, secondary to the Lousiness itself?
3 Would havd to apply to ce taiA conditions so it would have to came
before 'the Planning Caj=i.ssion.
1Vam z The wording says you could hare. a crossover.
A-11enament iso Motion made by QDwmissioner Ness, second. by Commissioner Jane, ,
21 otionz to ,intend the motion to read Mand is related. to the prainc pal uses
of the pe vitioner,
Amendment Motion on amendment passed all in favor.
Vo ::e
Mollcion vote. Motion as amended passed all in f xvor.
WAM The motion is to be referred to the Village Attorney for exact
wording Of change.
f'tme 15, 1971
Record of -Public j ear A-3 16.
Public RearinK. Petition of tete Vitl,age of Plymou,th . on amendraeat to the zoning
crduaance,. Said amendment would repeal Section, 11, Subdivision 3,
Paragraph 10 and substitu:ts "the follo4v stg there oro "Merchandising
and naerch zmdising services which axe incidental or accessory to
uses Iperraitted in Subdivision 2 and ,3 of this Section.
Chrra. Wahl: This clearing is, necessary to come c;t an error m the zoning ordina oe
book, it does not xaake sense the gray it now xeads
Plamer %3 1.v: Stated it should be subdivision 2 u -c 3 dE this section.
oz Motion made by Coranlissi;4oner dune, second =y Con1 issiorter Neils,
to approve- the change in Ssction 11 as stated.
Axaendxnent
T Motion made by Commissioner Veils; Second by Commissioner June,
to amend; The motion to read "and is related to the principal uses o
the 'petitioners
Votes Amend» Motion on amendment passed alt in favor. `
Vote.., Motion as amended passed all in favor.
Aahl.: The xaotien is to be—referred to the ViAage attorney for exact
1w,oxd ag o.E change,
June 16, 1971
A-3C39
Discussion and Action b V,onlmissioners
Petteon: Public, hearhig on petition oj: Tohh, Spaeth and Lgrome 'Begin on an
ame ndr ent to -the zoning o-din nce. s-aia ; arnenargent would amend
Section 6-Subclivisxoa , Paragraph 8 aiid would permit the disposal
of azba e in a 1, f- I eratian by Conditional `S'se, Permit in
an R-(? Open Re,;*donce District) zone.
Neils: C7rd regarding landfill uroitld mare appropriately fit under
aeetaon 20 Subdivisxan 1 o texizi „p_ublic utilitvx service or uses,
1?$ali1; Sectioxi 6 Would, have to be am.eiided in any case because it now -
specifically prohibits disposition of Varbage in a landfill,
Xxoskin 14as not heard anythin tlr t vou cl make him feel comfortable about
arba in a sanitary lai dri all.. This 3,s prooably due to lack of
conczete Imowled e«
A aju.: Village had ordinance reach to go but lIennepin County was dont,
something about it so x lyrnouth Village went with 'Hennepin Coun;
This would allow one control.
if concern is a better defin=ition of toxic wastes, there is another
oblem garbage i, disallowed. Present ordinance would allokv
to have tcxic wastee,, but not garbage.
l<;eeley 11—as the Village adopted Hennapin County ordinance on definition o
ahl: We just make ours subject to Tlennepin County Ordinance #1:.
Expressed cancer about type of road construction necessary.
Neils: Public hearing to 3;rTant such uses should find whether there is a public
need for such an operation.
Buie; lie one landau that iscontrolled :is one that is not openDoesn'toesn't feel
there' is a need for one in ymouth., Plymouth.,
Pollockz Doesn't feel we should allo<<r, another one untix it is proved -hat those
In_,operation can be controlled. 'l'rayLl.led dis tanec not a factor.
i'iscx ss on Action by .Commissjoners A-309
jug e 16, 1971
j 1Zeasons for opposing are.
hinlfs ilia surin , too fast. Will bave xtl jot hoL,si
in thea area before the l.an4t4l urouM be uo3,r Meted
w Doesn'tknow a ywher,-, in Lite village whete n dump handling
garbage,. with the p - 1211,s n„o cin, g r volved eotd,d be
put wi#:hout causing a lna ,! r strain to otherdev90 mints.
lw+oti3nw Motion, xna-le by Lormnissianex XeeTey, second 'by Gammassaonextoenv: KrC-kin., to recommend anial of the proposed amendment change
because does not feel it as r 2p er for the Vz le e of Fi mouth.
11%?n t ny,ered all in
Reasons 1. Planning Comixdissioa not convinced that adequate contxols exist.
for Denim
2, Planning Go amission does not feel need exists for citizens of
PlAnn ng C6trgissxorti considers sanitary landfill would 'distort
21x. Sly -growth cif industry and housing in 'contiguous areas.
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Juni 16; 1971 '
Record: of Public Tearin_80
Public I-jearin .*t. Pew pan ofcla Saet h and Jerome Pearn dor an amendment to the
zoning ordinance. Said, amendment would amend Section 6 . Sabaivtisioi
Zaa h 8 and would Permit the disposal,, of `arbae in a —land, fill
by Conditional Use 7'ermx in an R-4 (Open Residence Dis-'
txict) zone.
Planter Bergly. Stated the amendment vva4s not xequ;estad by the Village 'but by the
petitioners.
Orion, Pieau, 'Alas xa:. p e eat ja , ,j h and :t1firRem ana stated that sauce
most operations do not separa e trash and garbage, it dno,t
be economical to xba
Art Lee: Director of Public Works annn I, Qo my ixt charcre of licensing
sanitary land fill sites in. Hennepin County served as a resource person
for all, concerned: He gave a slide resezitati on sanitary land fills,
IItis definition of a sani•t andfill: tiaras that it really, i all, kinds
ZF x tuEe: Operating requirements axe:
1. Should be at least 5 'feet betwee3n level of fill
and .maximum height of wat(r table
2. Material is to be covered every day.
3. Area should be fenced.
4. %Nventy feet are required front the disposal area to
the adjoining property line
5. Should be deposited in as sinall an area as possible
at one time
6. Protection should be available for windblown material
7 Pinal cover at least two feet thick. Sometimes ask ,
for clay,
8. 'Water should be drained or diverted around land rill
9. Control of rodonts and flies
10. Require operation on a 3-1 slope so can get good
compaction.
11.. Eight foot depth of material is Tlawable under regulations.
12. Require screening around. land fill site and locked gate
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Lee: There are 'b sqdfills in 'Hennepin County--Eden Prairie and
HQ ins.
Wahl. Would a Sim le definition of a sanitary land fill be that it is a;
place todb ose of refuse and rttrba e in conditions under which
refuse and garbage is c 6vered uop_v<nrd and the mace of the
area being dumpea is, covered up every day?
l rusk n, Referrea to the slides which showed a developed residential community
located .next to a sanitary, land fill.. Had a question as to whether
thecomxnuni r was t 'irst or the landPili.
Lee; The community was there first but the gravel 'Pit needed filling,
Xxoskin. iWade reference" to the high banks on the land fills in the slides. Are
avel its the most acce table form of land fills? P
Lees From an oiler _ V_poin o vietiv s. There are at me people who
worry about pea colat iQn into water -L-ablg. Prefox a clay basq.
Krosk.in. If 14Ebae were eliminated, would it solve the oallitt on problem?
Lee. Garbo e problem is more an odorr oblez --not -particularly a Pnllutant.
lnor anic materials are of more. concern in pollution.
tote» What is minimum size or acxea, for an economicc land fill?
Lee: 70 a . jj pa d qf material `that is needed.
V tahl. That would mean about a minimum of 50 truckloads a day,
une Question not answered.—wanted to, know haw many acres are required
for an. area to be designated as a sanitary land fill??
ees Metro Council recommends 1000 acre_ feet should be available to make'
I` an acceptable land fill, Hedging the question a little because in, 'order
to show how sanitary land :> "ill can be u.'s r s xr. ed, there may be sites that
can be xeclan"aecl that would, be smaller than 'that, but could gala in
there:, get it filled and get: use; out of the. mea. Maybe looking amn
the line that in 10 years it will be proventhat it can be done right
in a small area, There are o aortunities for small o erations,
but basically 10 zlcing for 1000 acre feet,,
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xroskin Water, table- what about chemAcz4s.2
tee; Do not have a definition o toxic material xri Hennepin County ordinance.
Wahl? Village of Plymouth e,xdations refer to Hennepin County for control
so therefore Plymouth has no control on rlis osai of toxic rast es.,
1#e eY.w Hennepin County is oon,-ixolled by the PCA.
Lee: Hennepin County cannot be less restrictiv Athanthe PCA
une; Drainage facilities and drainage control= -site being talked about tonight
is close to natural drainaaee tb cu 7h the lekes. Row can we be sure
it will not pollute the lakes?
r Ditching --however, doesn't know iE it is possible at the site being
considered' or not
uric. How often would tike site be ch cked?
Lees They set lip regular check ups;
une What about seepage?
Lee. Water samples can be taken., The City of Hopkins has operated what
they call land frills for quite a few years, Significant ones now filled
have been made into a park, Gelco-MMT Leasing office building is located
on one and Justus Lumber Company is beui lg built on one. Water
samplps taken in Nine Mile Cred< headwater from one of: the pjA
Uu j_-:&s didnest s of ution due to land fill --it couldn't he `raced
to the lana fiLl,'
Chapman, Are there any Idnd Bills that are operating successi-idl .?
Lee -n, is one inwashixi ton Coun
Chari: The cost :dor using the one at EdenPrairie has -to be hkb in order to
meetPCA standards,, They are manning into problems at Eden Pxa=:Le
because of this, Peon le Can go to others not controlled by the PCA
and auxiip cheaper~
Lee This xs true.
Neils: Approximately how many land falls that take arba e etc. are you aware
of in Eenziepin County that do not 3neet license re tirement ?
Lea: 3_- Tvlapl.e Grove, foyer arid Long Lake (3 paying)
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6, you think you will, be successful in le al 'enforcement irL the near
futute'?
Lee., We have every intention of hexing so
unci The governMent does not have the authority 4,enforce riles,
lee: Ordinance #I was adapted'. (Copy attached)
une: What can be clone if an operator won't shut down?
Lee: Injunctions by the FCA and citations and fines b enne, #fir,
Irl Maki: 14935 Cou, my 47 - What happens to the. water that drams the
top of this proposed dump`? J% it polluted?
Oen Water that falls on it wM soar. in. On the hillsides diversion fditehes
are re hired. There is going to be a policing p obXem
11+Ts . Maki; Five foot level of dirt—does Mr. L e feel this is sufficient?
Lee- As near as possible, find this should be enough to break capillary action.
It gets it up out of any known water table.
AreR "being considered is part of large, natural; drainage system.
1,.ee: Understood drainage was to the south of County 47..
C. P. Gannat. 11710 54L -h. avenue North. -- l live in the area of Bass Lake, What happens
if the water aces lest: up?
a
ahn l artixlc 1.rt1 15 Can1- r Rnacl1- lotivctx does a land £11 have to be from a
dwelling
1Jee; Do not have specific distances, but -they, do xeLuuir screen . PCA
calls for 1000 acre feet for land fill,, but c -an-_ anti var, ante.
ivorak What as proper screening? -low, do you screed if the property
50 ft. above? Feel that drainage has to enol up in pane eau sake
and then into Bass L, keA
1 h1: 4,udience should understand that the heap. . is on an ordinance age.
Question is whether or nob Plymouth'Village will allow garbacxe in a
sanii arantl fiU undez a Condt.it nal Use Penit.
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12ts, 13M 'e 5525 TuneauLane - is there area in F'4mou ge that has
a h? naq h ground that could be used for a land fall.) Doesn t the
PCA say that you do not put land fill iz, low area'?
Lee: Thinks there will have to be a dein tion and identification offit
lands 1n the future, Basically the site tender dis-cussion would equine
f>llxng,
1VCrs. Lam; is there :any land. in Plymsmth WIllage that could be used?
I -. Lee: Sure there is.
I trs LeeperR There is 7ancl hagh enough in Plymouth Village as long as it doesit't
drain into a geek, etc.
Bill jeeper2K;5525 juneatA L -- Who c=, ,troll garbage --the PCA?
Village ordinatew const tcttea soecifically Prohjbits the disposition
n" ggirba e._in a. land fill,
1<xoskx+n: Hennepin County can be stricter but no less restri,tive
Leet P_ermits must be obtained fxoin Hennepin,Courtt_„y for a lalidfill. Before
permit is issued. must have clearance Froin xnitnici all , PCA and
i
moo CouncU,
i
o erBjorlin; 12110 54th A%,2rr e North - If the hearing is only, to determine whether;
or not to ,allow garbage in a sanitary landfill urtder n. Conditional Use
Permit, does that mean it will be okay for other sites too if the
ordinance is changed"?
Yes, but what the Commission is doing right now is for a Conditional
Use Permit—it :would not be necessary t* have another public hearing
for another applicant, but may have one, if the Zoning Administrator
feels it is necessary,
Mrs. Bill. 5680 uneau Avenue - Cannot understand how they are goirn? to contzol
the dumping of garbage and how to determine between toxic and intoxic.
Si_ 'ate Dotsetl,: 148.E County Road 17 - He will be overlooking the proposedclumpsite.
Screening of the area is okay, but they can't stop odor. Is really
9 ep sic -to the amendment change,
Al Nelson: , Owns the farm that Mir. Spaeth and Mr. Begin have the option, on and,
is o osp etc the cha,pZo also, Coraphimented Planning CcamfissionandVillageCouncilfortheworktheyhavebeendoing, but found it
hard to believe that the 'Tillage mould over_ consider putting; garbage
in that area. LandfM okay but garbage shouldn't be a:. med. is
opposed to change in the ordinance, Feels the question ,really is
do you. want garbage m Plymouth?
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Public Refiring 6- June 16# 1971
Alice Mq rImangy GounRoad 47 ., `eels it is a aetrime.wt to ane htsrhoga oradM,
in no way wishes to have 1* t.
Rolex Bas Lake ,association which has 35 membors, Was given
authorization to speak for or against the: amendment change. The
Association mould be 2p2,ossa.,
Its, Alerrymam A recent reassessment took place in thein area. People were told
that their lana was considered as buildable r,=es, Have green, acres,
but this assessment applies if you, meet spec .lfications, You have a
and
y. tit tax assessment and this is on buildable acres. aoi_v many
people of like circumstances are go:,ng to want to have buildable
land next .land fxUl area?
Bill. Spriggs.. 12210 54th Avenue North - Is a dumm.-P necessary in the Village now?
Wahl.. Stated them; wasn't anyone present to answer the question.
lieel. r is teLxsonalulyo` used. Gant burn—have to put it somewhere, In order
to put it somewhere, you have to get it close to take it there.
ATX. Sprier Doesn't feel here is an imminent need right now. reels the ordinance
should not be changed,
W. Cannattc Refuse cant come frons all over Hennepin County. -not just Plymouth.
U hy is the Villa e even cons iaerin it ?
oskin. have a pgtktion before us, and we are hearin it tt prescribed by the
Village ordinances,
W. Leeperrc Is definitely against the change.,
Ws. Bill. Has the sanitary land fill been approved?
Wahl: Plymouth Village ordinances do allow Tan
130h x0rd., 11700 54th Aye Wo4a - Is oPRo, cd tc the change -to allow garbage,
LE the ordinance is changed, does that make anyone eligible to g, -I- a
Conditional Use Permit?
Ki-oskinr The 'Village Council and Planning Commission would male sure things
were donne correctly --if felt a public hearin was necessary,. one would
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o 'Siorlin: Plymouth Village is fused on Hennep r. County which is based on the
PC,A 'Doesn't reallysee any t regulate a landfill, Ss a I
muddle to him. linsomeone comes up with definite controls,
the amma&aeat should not be altered,
Orion B. The -tv gentlemen concerned with this kava; sperm
quit: a bit of time and money on this Particular c t and will
c to do so to meetst_xa>, etc.. Stated interest in taxes-_
is sure landisn't a in for itself the tvit w. it it is filled. .
it w il aback on the tai rale,
h'rperty is on the.tax roles now.
Rearing, Closed: Public hear' g closed at jo.- o la. n1
ActionnMotigii. Motion to tale action "tonight ssed; 4-3 with Commissioner June,
Kroskin, Chapman and Pollock voting pox and Commissioners Wahl,
Xeils and Keeley voting against.
lobo : Vfot orL mado by Commissioner Xeeley, second by Commissioner Krosk n,
to xocoznmend denial of the proposed amendment change because does
not feel it is proper for the Village of Plymouth. Motioz asset
all in favor,
Reasons fob x. Planning Commission not convinced that ade' uate controls exist.
Denial
2. Planning Commission sloes not feel need exists for citizens of
Plymouth,
3. Planning Conunission considers sanitary landfill lvoul.d distort
arm z owth of industry and, housing in conn rows areas.
Fane 16 1971
discussion and Act* it. by Commissioners x--224
Potitxon, anal site plan approval .for Hirsch 'Brothers for, a 39 -unit, apartment,
All conditions have been met that were set by the Planning Commission
and the Village Coun,61, Inquired whether J&. Marsch had the pu:i chas',,j
agreement for the land involved,
lr; HirsCh: Presented, the document to aha:+xman Wahl Stated. that the project is
cor muni Yy unit devolopment. The house: can the lot will, be removed.
Mo Protaort made by Commissioner Neils, second by Commissioner Chapman,
to approve the final site plan of Hirsch Brothers subject to the
IteWslisted below:
L, The house now on the property must be removed
prior to issuance of certificate of occur,ancy,
2. Easements as required by the Village staff.
Bonding for landscaping ,with materials and plans
specified subject to the approval of the planner.
C pence previously, discussed be shown on firta'
site plan,
Motion passed 5-1 with Commissioners Chapman, June., Wahl, Pollock
and Neils voting for, Commissioner Xeeley voting against and Commissioner
Kroskin abstaining.
abstained fxom voting the first time this was before the Planning
Commis,, -,ion because he :arz ed .td find out why it -was rezoned R-4 in
the first plac;;, Thinks IA- is, improper zoning.
The Council went ahead and rezoned it R-4 a. ter the Planning Commission
had recommended &Ifen :ing action.
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The iL tvrsection of 201 and 6 should not support multiple housing,