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RBRUARX 17,, 1971
regular meeting of the "Planning Commi,s.glon was called to order by
Chairman Egan at 8:00 p.m. on pebrua y 1.7, 1971.
PR"SPN .- Mai.rman Egan, Commissioners Neill, :Moils, June, rzs eY,
Fot~h, Pollock', Chapman, Xrosl;
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mt shoAq ta`a.t thea,; *:t a hardship on, mmch t,4 baso bi;s request for a
subdxvisioll waiver. The request for. P-: roaort ng to allow a specific
use of a single parcel; lying Aolly within. a R-0 Distriet would
constituto nn. example ox spot rezoning. Our zon::.ng ord-,;`nce specifical7
prohibits B-3 uses adjacent to a residential classification, which
ordinance, section he read.
Com missiouer Chapman, asked Mr.. Otter if he dist:ussed this with the. Wgtiwaip
Pepartment aiid he said in, February., IM6 he talked to Harry Stawart and
described the ci,rcmistances. lbey `ere concerned about the firing of the
final aertifi cate and indicated there were soh* problems. Public hearing
closed ,
XMION, was made by Comnissi,o r Chapman, sec)nd d, by Commissioner Pollock IOTIONIZ
to table the rezoning request made by Daniel fatten, 1820 I4Innetka Avenue, PETITION
Cxold%i, Valley, to allow the developer time to provide an adequate site TABM, D.
Plan for the .area to he rezoned and con .act thv Mate Highway Dopartnient OTTEN
as to accessabi lity to this parcel Motion carried by 7 Saye vote,
Commlissionors ICroskin amd Roth voted. naye.
It was added that the petitioner will have ht' days to come back to the
Commission and he can take into consideration the remarks that were made
in connection with Itis -request. Commissioner Pollack, recommended this be
rofea to the l lattxr C asnro cttee to save time s4 they can resolve all
of the, problems a' -A 2Jso the fines that Commisslaner Neils mentioned.
Commi,ssi.oner Cha. greed., sinze it is Less than S t;c'res. ommissione
Krosk;in asked if area is covered by the guide plaaa Planner `8ergly
said the guide plan has been: requested to be delayed until the villbge
has an adequate staff and to data. he has: not been asked to resume- Mork
on it. Commissioner ,dune said it should. be pointed out that there is a
definite feeling thene, has, to be some chzuages on 'the size, accessabi.l i ty
and offec..t on the ad:lacetnt xoszdential. area, Coimiissioner Poil*. ck,
Chain= of the Platting Committee, was asked to get together With Ir.
C)tteri on this matter so it can he acted on witbi.n 60 days.. Co vii,ss i.on- r
Neils said, personally, if the 19etiti aver comes in asl-,in, for a
subdt-v ision waivermid rezoning as described he will vote against it,
It needs more work.
Whe request Batt Gary Premd of Circle Star T1evelopment Co-ip. 928 Midland RP., RUZOTVIN
Bank Buildi dqv, 'to rezone from R-1 and R-0 to R-4 the property. located TtMJEi i', r"
in the vi.cin;ity of Co'taity Road 46 .aftd 21st Avenue was presented by FRFtrNI)
Planner I•Xe pointed out the various aspects of their site plan.
The public aring, was ope acd at 8:20 P.m. Mr. . Freund displayed the plan
for the Par els Like ,-oaxtments covering 58 acres, incbidirig the-r,!,vbt
of ts*aIr dedication for "iccksburg and Niagara. Lanes. Ile explained that their
plan takes :into considleratioxt the, general topography of the land with:
respect to building locations., park :areas and green strips. He iwt with
neigiibo, s in the -vicinity and has agreed to increase the setback from the
residentialal area on the southwest line frotit 1401 to 1.751 and from the
south Line 'from 2101 to 2501. fie discussed the possibility of Cyd tti.ng
an a boom, parking area of tgTeen stripping: in. this increased setback ares
and also described the building layout and landscaping proposed. Les
Baker, t Preferred Developers Corp , contractor for the development,. gave
detailed information on the underground parking facilities. buildings,
recreational plans, size of the apartments, walkways and l%.:rk going down
Dago
to Farktrs. Lake with docks wid, the possibility of an vidorpass tpider
Road . t iit they willitian e, for gillpublica t~ess, Countytorof t%e' trees In the wrtWest .area need' to be cut into;,
discussion. ensuod on the trees =0 park areasi
Mr. Arvid Olson, 11425 l7th Avenue, sx mi.t;ted: a petition from the.
hoi.gitbors dealing w°i.th the rouni g'. Be said they mot with the developer
KMd 11a e discussed t Y s rt ilk th a elves since thm. They. dire opposed
to the request becwso they feol t' ey will l se truch of their privacy,
traffic be greater, more noise will he created in the sumer by
the people livi,ig there, A Spring. Co.., realtor told, them their home's will
be devaluated i eom 1 to 12% and that the RIO -Gwrt agers hesitate
to give loans on properti,-s: like this, ThoFrp ars;; 22 to 23 families irrolved,
Airs. Guggisherg,, 14908 County Road #6 asked wnat, the R-1 bounr ?ry line
was: wid Fl.aramer porgly p 5i ted it out _anal also the property which the church
has 17utchased. She said the re-5idents are deli- ' zely otaposed to the proposed
elaborate plan, We, will be lit+rt by this development and we bought because
of the R-1 zoning- Sbo, referred to a Joint meeting of the Planning Commission
and. Council on pt%ber 2O, 1969 wherain thi, type of developttent was discussed.
Mr. McCoxmacR, 1720, Itbaca said not many t rel:s axe left since the sewar project
also took some away and this disturbed home
Mr. WGowart, 1000 6th Avenue Nar'th, asked where t,ie traffic will go. It is
heavily travelled there already and it will get tPursetsith apartments going
in. loads should, be given considt.-a -Ion before Wilding.
Mrs, 114ax,a{ ori., 1710 Larne, lives across' from the church and said
they are so squeezed art n.,,tv and the buildings going in concern her; Tie
is .also concerned about Magi a Lane, Manner Berily pointed taut the: future
pians for realig- ranent of idiaga a Lane. Digirieer Rudrud added that the council
has ordend the gccuisition of the necessary -right of way.
Chester Logan, 1425 County Road #6, asked what this will do to County
Road 06, Chairman Pgw-L said this cannot be projected, but`will add a lot
of traMc, Mr. Logan asked if he would he affected thea :on the north s Ddb
and Cha,itm.an Egan said it w'll affect all those ptopexti.es,
W, Verne Weiss, 14$15 C=ty Road #S, said lie lures on the east side of
Parkers Lake and tuhen, the school hits stops the cars get paled up. Consideration
should be given to what will happen on Coctnty Ra cl # n c or-q ction with this
evelopi nt
M.r. Giggasberg sand they hwe .gone through thi, before and at that time tN
had patore to view, Chair -an pagan said this was tltrce years agcy when a
cixange l the gts de: plan Was discussed, ?girt fluggisber, asked 'Mr. Freund
ho this people war« that be, met with concerning the 17V setback. air, Freund
Wd he -x with several at Les Aa.skob's house, Messrs. Lagan and Max Smith
imro, theto, iiia nzv that are here tonight , Another group met at Bola Fort's
hol se, Mio indicated this desire and to which. we agreed as well, as buffer c ney
nark, Kind use of same. Mr._ N) ggisberg said the developers talk ;about spending
mi.11.ionz of dollars and wo have to scratch ;dust to_get our house payment together.
Something wst be done about County Roast #6;, if this goes through the traffic
will iso have to travel ori t trip deck,, Traffic' piles up :dor two blocks'
p :ca?xl ly at Iji ht,y #101. and #'o, Inflation has caused home- prices to `rise and
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if we m^dwd: we would have a hard time finding another home iaow. 1fe bought
a berms,Ase it Was zoned R-1. My should: we have to pay for this zoning &ani e.
lye can a t see :having a br ck wall going up im front of our lot line.
Mr. Arvid Olson said there were not anyagreements made at the rtteeting they
attended. k%, wanted to mow what we, may get stuck with.. Tb,% ;,-rre n -,Ii.miber
of reasons why we just do not want it.
Mr. 'Freund said pictures talk Letter than words. We want to take time to
shw how we will treat the buildings,. h0i wide the open space is, buildings
on the southwest corner and what Ave intend to do with 1.tae green areas and
park,. Ile wish an additional -too. weeks to prepare this. Chairman Egan said
the public hearing could be continued until the meeting to be beld a month
from nov°.
1-1r. Olson said as far as. coming back is concerned he believes that the
neighbors do not care to see anv more pictires-on what they will do. We
do not care to lose IR to 12t on our homes and have the problem of
getting RRA or C loans, and our Irks_;, r invaded. There will he an
addition of school children and: the schnols are crowded now,
C=U'Ssioner Neils asked Iir, Frounrl if he felt his plan meets with the
guide plan concept for park r, eas, mvays, hig7a density; etc. Mr.
Fre4uid replies, 'yes, except for thy: ,peon area to the youth and where it
will end up. Commissioner Pollock asked him if he `^.ade a market survey
on a demand for the size of the units; etc. lie said yes, Preferred
S bevelopers will, do this work. Commissioner Pollock ,asked him to provide this
information. A detailed description was given on the size of the one bedroom
and two bedroom. units and -rental charge for same, which is de4igned to be
a deluxe area and one the community will be proud of. 'The project will. run
3,000,000 over the available finaroing and Northern rare£erred will provide
it because they feel it is -worthwhile.
onvissioner moth said he looked .at these homes and :heels this is the worst
proposal made outside of the recent one adjaceaxt to the Cavanaugh Addition
We should reverse the guide plan and :rake it something other than R-4. You
are crucifying thepeopled 'ads is bad. If it is just a comprehensive
pian. we can go the. other way too.
A citizen said :if Mir., Fre-und comes back why doesn't he go to the neighbors
again instead of wast -ng time. IIe shmild talk to us first. I was not infolrned
about the meeting which was held. Chairman Egan said it is the Planning
Cosmni.ssion's responsibility to make the decision.. I am sure they will cone -
back and we are going to act on all the in.-ormation they furnish us. Tlrc
citizen. said they butchered the area as far as the trees are concerned,. mr.
Guggisberg offeree: his home for another meeting, PtZ,lic hearing closed. to
be ,;c._tinued at the March. 17th regular meeting.
O... onissioner Jibe felt the density was too high;.. Chairman Egan asked him to
clarify, the f,' naros -which he did and the density was discussed forthe-r..
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MWITIMAL USF PERMT
Planner Ef^rgly reviewed the request made by Wayntoy, Inc. to erect RE: SIGN'
a builders sign at the 'corner of County Road #10 and Dee -mood sane PER41T
which will relate to the sage of lots in the Cale -Hoff Addit on WAXNROY, INC.
anna be 51 x 4' with 4" x 411 posts As this is an R Q District a
Conditional. Use Permit is required.. Ike recommended, approral m th
possible rel ewal at the end of one year's time,.. Com issiener Valli
said Building Inspector KwMian pointed out that sign pezmi ts expire
on December 31st so this would seem most suitable for t.e time to
review the sip. Comnhi ssioner Pollock said he is concernw, more
about the mai tenan,ce rather than the time element. It should
possibly be there until two-thirds of the property is sold and
the Wilding lr pector cats see that it is tui' care €a . Comnassioner
Dahl said the ozhing Board usually puts a timr= limit on so a review
is made. Planner -Betgly said this would be a. ;,orm of Colhtrol and
put h=' on his toes.. Cormiissionex ,Keeley said Brookdale Ford hasabeautifulChix12' sign irk the= coxa vy and there is another one
across the street.,
WrION was made, by Commissioner Neils, seconded by Commissioner
Chapman to approve a Conditional Use Pei- t until December 31, 1571. C NI D. USE
for I ai.nroy, '1hc. 2160 "Wisconsin Avenue, Mimeapol;is, to erect a PMTIT APP'Ei
two sided 4' x Si builders sign at the intersection of County Road #10
aIndDeerwood Lane upon receipt of a written permit from tie pioperty,
owner. Motion carried, tulan .t;mous; vote.
11ith respect to °4ho revisions made on 'die VezoAi Iin Park prelimiiiary RE: PAZENDJX
plat Plaimor Fergly said the ;site plan was reviewed previously and PARK
the recs;t nendation was to have tie Pl.attirg Ca`nrt ittee resolve the
park areas on the plat. ' Coizrdssioner Pollock .said the possibli,ty'
of a lfortaeamers Associati,m were considered., Mr. Fazendin said lie
has never been confident in his mind that there is a solution to ties.
He has struggled with it and wants to move on wit)i the north part,
fo-fAie subdivision. lie wants to give an easementon the green, area
ta everyone that las property adjacent to it, which in effect will
give them a backyard park, which was pointed out by P1amer Bergly on
the plat p1mi.. 71,ey can take care of it and control it if they wish.
CoMissioner Roth asked him what contusion may result. Mr. Fazendin
said he would have to sit dozen with an attorney and :figure out what
can and e:annot be dozae with protective covenants on the easement. This
depends on the neighborhood's attitude. Commissioner a\tens said the
village is concerned about the other small, park and asked what his
inte:ntiens are on this. He said it may have to be eliminated and treated
with an easement as proposed in the park under consideration. Conuidssioner'
Chapmaa asked: him it he was having a dilemma because at the Vil.la 1
pari, requ.iremeih-t. lie said no, his dilemma was with the green area Uea. nd
the homes ill the northern portion of the ,pkat:. Ilse neighbors may getinto, conflict but possibly the village could do the mcAding and assess
them for it. A practical, way is needed to make it work:
JOTIQX was made by Commissioner Neils, seconded by Comadssioner Pollock MOTION TO
to deer Planning Comrnis'. ion is action, on this and get everybody up DEFER AMON
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to sPoed With reports inasmuch as this plat has been dormant so long. At the same time refer it to the Park Commission tax revie f and have;
the elevelopor show 'I ii he will subdiO de the lots and bring the Engineer,
Pa.6
Paxk Director Azad 'ourselves up to sed wird full information,. Then
we wii l take another look at it. Commissioner .Pollock said the PlattingCommitteeshouldhavethis. fir. Fazendia said lie moved the 'linesbecausethepeoplesaidtheydonot -rant, an alley for sno r ob:*leS totravelerain. hack of their houses.. I have been working -wit}
Commissioner Pollock- On this :Co--- the past year. Commissioner PolioeksaidhedoesnotliketoseeParebre. interior blocks,. they are alotoftrouble. These should be discussed and pub in writing as partofmyreport. after some discussion Coamissioner Neils said t1he
PUTP050 of his motion was to make it possible -to be referred to thePark. Commissionon and have the developer show what he intends to do: ontheplat, Motion carried, unanimous vote. Commissioner Pollock will
Work WitJi, Mr Payendin on this :matter.
Cclimissioner Xeils suggested that the Village Eng* eer bring himself uptospeedonth , drainage in the .area;
NEW BUSIMSS:
Planner Burgly izito luted the request by Paul Zel in of Paul's Woodcraft RE: PAUL Co. concerning a 1.5 acre piece of land at the Northwest quadrant of WOODCRAFTInterstate #494 and County toad #9. fir. Zeltin's architect displayed ' 'CO. a map of the existlnx , - topography Condit ,ons . Also an overlay showinghisandadjacentproperties, Ile reviewed the central, area guide plan
which does not cover all: of the property in question. He, discussed
he zoning and street alignments of the surroutt:Jing area in detail. Planner 13ergly said an -1 zoning rr-:quest will be forthcoming from liraZeldanextmon'th. `b,?., present site of Paul's Woodcraft Co. isdeveloped ..o rvsLd utn ,;,.:ensi ty and a neer site is needed to acca,..odateanevbuildingtomeettheirneeds. Planner Pergly pointed out on a
map wl1at the surrounding topography is which has s me very steep gradesandrelatedhowitwilleffectfuturedevelopmentinsmlu-, He
ocormnended revision of the g X,de plan, The petitoner «raae l to givetheConuni.ssioa a preview look at this so they ,may thinly about theirproposal. Planner Bergly reported that the petitioner is extremely, corTorattve to work with and they have spent about a, month on this.
Plans viere left with the Comission for study.
COMM'ssioner Neils told :the Planner that suddenly there is going to beacloverleafinsteado,f ;a: diamond at the intersection of County Roads9and #18 and he 1=dens if the same thing may happen at Interstate494 .and County Road #9
MOTION was mane by Commissioner Chapman, seconded by Cornissionor Both MOTION: TOaskki.ng the Pl,atti ag committeo +"o~ make a stud of Che
passible changes with res ect :,
y guide r lan for " GtIID1:
p the area. discussed 'by- Mr. teltin and PLMI
A s architect. lotjon carried, unanimous vote,
ULD _BU81)\MSS
Commissioner Neils said at the last meeting in relation to the change RE: flE1 f -1T k\4in, regulations dealing with height and yard setbacks he was asked to. YbRD Sh`z',1CKSpattogetherampari.son of their requirements for the 'various districtstomore -readily evaluate :It. Tht best he could come up: lidth is atabulatoryanalyzation. There are. a, ;lot of inconsistencies on yard
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requi«ementsand .some conirlerations have,, been made up for these
to, come up with a normals height regulation for all districts. This
is to be put on the next agenda for the Platting Committee and be
ready o March Mrd.. `Planner Bexgly has asked tc make cower on
tMS report and send copies of Noi,l's report to all Conasdssiotjers.
Comissi.onex ,;tmo gave the .Planner a list of all: the garage doors RE: GARAGE
that are in excess of 8 feet in the village that have been approved DOOR8OVER,
and .are presently in. existence. The Ptanner was reauosted to send
copies to all Conriissioners.
Co=idssi,onor Pollock said that Da're's Auto Body Shop at County Road RER DAV8.a.
f18 .and Ki.lm r Vane appears to be stall operating which lie thought AM BODY
was :illegal in a B-3 D. strict. The secretary was asked to have the SMP
Building Inspoctor check Ws out and make a report to the Planning
Commission on this subject.
Commissioner Neils also asked if anything could be done about the;
construction storage area across the street from there. The man
head a )fear to get a Conditowtl, Use Permit to continue the use. This
will also be brought to the attention of the Building 'S,ispector.'
Chairman Ewan reminded the Commission that in accordance with. the RE: hSdErING
Council is special meeting of January Sth they will meet with the WITH COUNCIL-.
Planning Commission for d.:Umer on IMarch 22nd to discuss various
issues,:
Coinnissi.onerr June suggested haveing a--eprese7ltatve attend the RB: MMO-
Setropolitan Council meetings and show thein we are interested, POLIT.AtN
Thu Planner suggested having their agendas sent to us. The secretary COUNCIL
will ask them to put the Commission on their ;iail.ing, List. AGMAS
Chairman, Dgantold the Concn,ssion that Coimiissioner Wahl will take RE: , CfRIR-
avrer as soon as the Council officially appoints him as Ch4=an MM APPOINT -
of the Planning Camidssion; MENT
Commissioner Neils requested that the , .... s be furnished a cop) RkZ,.
Of the Platting Ordinance and Subdi!isi.on Regulations and haus the ORDINANCES
Zoning Ordinance sheet upgraded from the time the comprehensive
plan was. made.
MOTION was made 'by Commissioner Neils, seconded. by Commissioner Kroskin
that the new ordinances: for :zoning and Subdivision Regulations be
appropriated for the Planning Conwiission, members Potion carried,
unanimous, vote.
Chairman Egan said at the March 5 -rd meeting they will take up RE: CONMNIT
where they left off oil Page 1.5 of the Cofimiluiity, Coal Development COAL DEV. PLN
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Pl.wr er Bergly said he wished to clear up the discussion concerning RE: VILTACE
the pptitiofi at klighway #101 and #55. George Nason told him a client ` PL'"N'ER
intact to consult h:bn on a piece of land in Plymouth but lip told him
that their firm carm(,t do .anything for him because they work as Pl a: nexs
for the Village. -
AS0N-VV'EHR1%-GHAf'11 0\1•ASSOCIATES
Z01 -tENNEPIN AVENUE MINNEAPOLIS •'MINNESOTA 55405 PHONE 374-5790
ASSOCIATES
February 24, 1971 ROY A, ANOERSON
JOHN O 811130LY
RIGHAAo 0'. F: EMUND
QHARLSS A. WITTENBERG
Vii'atige of Plymouth
Plane ing Commissioners
Dear Sirs
On February 17, 1971 Mr. Daniel Often appeared before the Plymouth Planning Commis, -
106 on a request to rezone land. at State Highways 101 and 55 to the B-3 District for the
purpose of constructing a service station. I -understand from the m nutes:,,Mr. Often
stated that he was utilizing our firma fdr re3earch, analysis and site planning telotive to
this proposal, We have performed in this respect' in other communities for Mr. \tte.n.
Because my riame was specifically mentioned, Iffeel it is necessary to explicitly state
our position in this matter}
As is our standard; practice, we do not serve private clients in communities where we are:
searing as planning consultants.. Me. Octan was 1r f,)rmed of this policy and in no way
have we assisted him as a private consultant in Plymouth.
Due to the implications that may arise, we request that this letter be attached to the
Planning Commission minutes of February 17,, 1971.
Yours very truly,
NAS C>t H N,, CHAPMAN ASSOCIATES, INC,
G. L: Nasan, ! i
GLN4
cc-. Dewan Barnes, acting manager
Mayor Wilde
Counci Imembers (4)
Daniel Otters
t,;OtY MUMMY P4ANNING COUNTY PLANNING SITE PLANNING URBAV RENEWAL URBAN RESEARCH
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