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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 01-20-1971I I I*S F 1 :MILAR IMEBTINtx OF NUA 20, 1971, A regular meet of the planning Comta-ss rias called b order t Chairman g at 7. S I.m. n Januar til, 1971 in the Plymouth Public Works Wildi< PK'STM* Chairm Egan, Plamer Berglyj Gomft ssioners llaf'taor Prokker, Roth, Ihloskin, dire wad Orapman4 u iss:ioners veils , -td Pollock. I`Iae first item of 'business was a, public hearing on petition of- Rezorink f(--, Oscar Naustdal for rson ng of land_ f'ran R-1 to R-2 in the Oscar Naustdlal lx eezatre I~oxe=t Addition 'Ilia proposed use of the proporty from P-1, to R-2' should it be ro zoned would be to build 4 doWale bun alas Pla der Borgly gave his prosentatim arad stated that the. pr%erty was located at t1te vtly/ wet of the pillage iii -the Central area of the Village. It involves 4 lots in Greentro Pore t south of Count y hoed 1124. The lots are slightly under size for the R-2 requirements. (13,700 square, feet instead of 20,000 square feet) Chaiman Agan, asked to Iter from t hu e people in, favor of the r, zoning. ` Mr. Naustdal statgd Haat lie has illustrations of what tht! homes would look li),e and he would show then to anyme Who Wishes to see theta. Ile stated tiv .t the reason fbr the double bung los was because; houses yould not bo worth tttudlt With frontage on Courity Rload #24. Mairman 1*g x then askad to hear from, Haase opposed to the rezi)Mnlg Mr.!:d N,een of the Greonoaks Home U.Sociatimi said lie was not in favor of trae rcgxtest .for tho following reasons l) 110 sal.d that this would require an additional bis stop orn County Road # 4. Ile said that the entire area is R_l and feels it shota .d be kept that way, 1i started Haat there is a groat deal of antagonism in, the area over taxa proposal, on rd Nadasdy of 3025 Walnut Grove Lane stated that they have a petition sil: fed by the dif-ftrerat property omlt rs detayinq tlie request 3tr a t Simpson of 302 Urbandale Lane felt that this shotald 4;e denied bec,ause double, burigalbs are toe hard to up ,keep. George Hesslirag of 3050 Walnut Grove bane ;stated that the reason they stave not had any trouble with tho one dod e bungalo' in Greentree Forest is because the macer is living ia) the house,, page 2 Japes Cleigor of 1860 0 1/2 avenue North, stated that lie wasp defluiteiynotirkfa,;;r. Abore of 29,20 Urbandale said there would be a parking prmobl m with 4 douI e butrgal.os Mad he o1so qucstioned the ordirMI ce and what Would be done with the undersized lots. Darryl Scliwertler of 5045 Urbandale bane said lie has now a had time backing out of tha drive because of the :ars which am parked in the, street. IkI. 41el ini.tely is not; in favor of any inort, of this t)-Pa of., building. W Anderson of IWO 30 11-2 Avenue felt the property values would be affected and felt the land should st y R-i:; George Christianson of 1.82:-,. * _ 11, Avenue, stated that lie tnid his Ilife are both oPpo!ed 'to this. R_ a4= that they own. Wz empty lot in this area., and purchased it t-otection of the people w Bernard 'Trout of 17915, X lr 2 Av eme stated he felt that the %- would defeat the peop",e's purPose for Moving into Ore r-utree porest.. StOWIrd Cord of 2345 WhIout Grave stated that lie supported the rest. Beiiton i'id of 1810S 30 112 Avenue stated lie has lived here far 4 years and ,alae reason lie moved here was because of the conmtunity orma ssionea Krosldji asRed Mr, Naustdal ha4 ing he :has oimecj the land and it was stated that he has owned the lana Lor about 3 yoari. Chai naan Lgan stated tl.at the developer is entitl.od to sante type- of use of the land tinct Haat lie del:izii.tely has tjj right to cone in and :[ind out what his macs are of putting such uses on, that property, thatit: the neighborhood ar=d yield a reasonable ret ;trm. Wr. Geiger stated the reason angry moved :bito the area was because they were guarmteed that this wtma an R- I area acid uould remain trY eeia fiated? l) because of tyre double bwa,galo now,this does not constitute grounds for rezoiiing Z-) not a buffer zone on all sides 3if tae property was purchased 3years ago, he has not lost like others 1r the area r. ausatdal stated that anaybe they would go to three ants inst*e";ld of our and work, out something w-ith the park"'111,14%, rho public hearing xas closed at 8.,10 p,nx» omadsszoz er Chap1man made ;a Piottic}aa to move deraa;al of the rcquest, Which MOTION_ evas socmded by CoinAlssioner 1#roskin, Iliere Pia'+ Lhen some di.scussjon cin the 'motion.. Commissioner Chapman felt when property is zoned to 1'N I to .a ne hl)orhood., it should remain such tc allow people `to build or buy horvs zmad he assured -that adjoining lots will remain -1. '11he motion Was Carried by an all in favor vote twt noxt< item of busizess was 4 request; by Janes Loli% for n X; conditional conditional use poria t for a rostaurmt serving,Aericam mid Use Poimit for It'tli.',m fcOd In a B-4 zonf. The building In 141,4ch this usino s James Loden WOUld be aPorated is located ran: Couvity Road 418.. The restaurmk t vtould open at :tits p.m. and this way there. would be ample paxieingbect-wo the dani.stl:s office whdoh is also located in this building would close at 5:00 P.m. llie seati;ig capacity of the restaurant is approximately 60 persons. %fr. Lolm stated that approxi-.lately* 50 5 per cont. of the orders would be carry Out 0 t`r , whidr would ell ninate r ith parkixg $Paco. The only real problem that they Comi.ssion could see with:. this wou d be the parlUTI . :Manner Bergly. sated that we could establish ro;asonalAo W41ditions to be met ::4 ardi,r safety, protection, etc, corn" ssioner June moved to recommend approval of 'tau applicationication and that the owner is responsible for the parkin in the area and if t -e oar in- beco s a problem that they must. mace ivnprove;m€.nts or the P0, 11ce Will have to tai>e action and tine use peri it court b reviewed and posytbl. cancelled at that taane. Ue not ioa was seconded y Co t assionc:r Pra:ker. Upon votiAr, upon the vlot*on, com.nl Chapman. opposed 1110 vlotioll while the est; were irl favor of the not: 'un. rhes motionon was carr,i edt Mm next item of business was a request for : condit oral;wse permit Pira Conjtional by fox Mbadows for recreation and, other facilities in the office Use for Pox area, "fix. Tan Telgen and Mr. .1,1ontpojrteiy were at the neeting to Meadows, repxesont Bema;, on this request.. 11. 1r., `i`eigen stated that theyWantedtoputa "Pullman Car" at thc, corner of the property. lie stated that,, it was to be used as a girmic and is sort, tllin nen 0410 l se htm. Ve stated that Vie car would be used fol execgti:a,e meetings and would be vera` plush. He stato,,l that there is a car vett* similar to the _ one proposed in Shoreview.' A copy of a letter fro,- John R. ob.oppegrell, the Clerk 3mini.strator of horoviow tated.,rl. , there were many original concerns Which later proved nec,41 1 s. Tire gma est concern was rv-sthetics, safety, landscaping, see:*ur' 1"y frim vandalism end rcmicipal liability.. To my Imowledige there: has not been any reason for justification for t3iese original concerns. WO have not rec olved any complaints w : a lie Comission. me ters theca expressed their feeling s toward this idea. Coimissionor iiafnor statod, tial am very excited about this." Comrassioner` rr s in stated, "I feel toward this Tuito Cool"' Commissioner Roth stat€:d, Hyl :foll timet_ it has historical value.11 CoTIM:ussioner P—okker felt that the greatest conctm would be the care arid. maintonanw.. Chaimn Egan felt that this should be referred to tire, wairkiz counitte A'r study to de , kmtao tiae conditions which should be placed, upon tho conditional use. e,%e other Corvnissioners felt that sont;o action .should be taken upon this Plow, and for this mason it w4 held over to *,fie endo of the meeting. Comnissioner CI apmman felt tira.t this should be presented to the City Attorney*), herb Lefler, so that he may deters lne if a separate oteinance should be set up for this. It arcs decided that the P.1annbw Comrni.ssi.on, should. set Their 'conditions upon the conditional use as the following Me Sha.;,.l be socarely a1fixti to the rails upon which it rests jn a manner as approved € y the Village Engineer -nad Build' pector. 2) Landscaping around. the ':ail. car shall be cmigettad within three months of the issuance:of the fi cial Ilse 'Permit. 5) If after he, rail car_ lu* s been erected, tho Village Council determines that it endangers the general welfare, health, safet' or mo -gals of the res -idents of the V3l.lage of Plymouth, or deer oIated the values of the land or; structure:; within the Village of Plymouth. this Special Use Permit shall bmpcome null and, void, and the rail car shall be removed within thirty (30) days of the date of such determination.. a 4) The o aper shall maintain the rail car in a, good and si:fe condition and a F the building inspector finds that the car i unsafe, zfe, ox not h wing properly maintained, he shall given written notice of this tact to the of mer who has te.n (10) days to comply with this notice or the Spek Yal Use Pemnit will become null and void, and the x ail car shall be removed witlAn thirty (30) days of that ,late. S) There shall be no commercial sale of food or beverages on the rail. car. CcAssiozaer, Prekke2 moved that. the conditional use permit be approved IIC v subject to the above conditions placed upon the, usewhich: was seconded by Coamnissioner Hainer. 'Commissioner Kroskin and Chapman opposed the vAc.&.1on while tae rest were in favor of the -notion. The motion was carried. The text item of business was to continue the discussion of the rezonirg RE; CON - request by Guy F. McDonald for rezoning from. R-0 to B-2, for a Shopperls. TINUE Dz City in thethe vicinity of County Road #9 and County Road #18. CUSSION OF GUTY r. N - Planner Bergly stated that he stet with Mr. Gonyea and. discussed i'dth 'him ` DONALD RE - the Section 12 Plan. .tr. tWnald stated that they are .,,,re tonight ZONMr, ( to look for encouragement for the building and it would the started in h-2 spring, Mr. Gonyes, stated that the only two problems he cou.14 see imld be: l.). traffic and 2) maybe you 6e not looking for a Shopper Is City In this area. Mr. Conyea felt that thele is a way to put this type of development into this 4rea which would help the whole area. Chairman E;an stated the Teason the Shopper's Clay should not be placed in this area is because of the following: :I) It does not conform to the Section 12 Plan adopted by the Planning Commission, and 2) the effect, it will have on the SectIon 12 Plena which thy: Cczmissiox ha:a de,*eloped. Ile felt that this is not what they are looking for iii this area. Comm ssioter Prekker felt. concern for the areas of ,laaid which would be left, and Commissioner Hafner felt a complete shopping center would better page fit into the area, Ile felt a Shopper's City is not desirable in Plymouth'. Commissioner June felt that this corner is not .set Tor this type of traffic pattern. Chairman Egan stated the de to nevi f the S- ction 12 Plan and the reason we have. not jumped i4nt chis area was because 'we, felt that it is one of the most important areas on the north .side I of the 'pillage.of Plymouth and that it should have :al,ot of study and questioning Commissioner Prekker moved for deniel of the request because of MOTION the non-conformaxace of Section 12 Flan and the traffic in relation to the access roads in. the area. The motion was secondad by Commissioner 'Roth. Upon. vot,.ng on the motion, the motion was carried by an all in favor vote The next item of business was for site plan aPprov.al for the RF»: 5rrr-.' northeast c --mer of Sa.Famore. It was stated that the land PLAN APPRMAL involved IVA's about 2 acres. Planner Benrrly stated that 'he has POR NCRTC-T..fiT' talked arith the school: architects and they, are talking, about CORWR OF Trenton..ane continuing directly west between the elementary SAGMIOU iandJuniorEgh :site with an underpass so. that the students' can circulate on the two playfields without crossing the street. The building will consist of 24 units and each unit will have a 6 foot patio, They are looking for tentative site Plan appzoval, and will have final building and site plans available at the next meeting, It was stated that they need ii a" site plan approval before the building permit can be issued, An they logit '-n krnow at this paint, is if this is a plan which they can go ahead with. Commissioner Cliapman .moved xecomrm- .. atior, of the preliminary MoTlax site plan subject to new Trent+- ane to t:.,: west or terminatxn.g in a. cul-de-sac and subject to r ..., 's two recommendations in his report The motion Was Commissioner Trekker. Comiissioner ''.,finer abstained whi : Lge rest were: in favor of the motion, The motion was car..' } The next item of busine, s was to discuss '"PIwmouth Iftcls" R-4 RM Pl`SC jSS pr,onosal as requested'by the Council. The traffic access is PLYWC M still the Problem. MIDS" R-4 PitO,P?", , Discussion centered around this traffic problem and Chairman Egan stated that he had a meeting; last week with the developer and they wanted to corm back to the Planning Camdssion and discuss the traffic as it relater to everything in. the area. F He questioned the Conmissione if they have really tried looking s at this development in trying to solve the traffic access problem.... Mat is proposed is they are coming back with the same access glans that have been approved by the ii i ,ghway Detaartmant •1 They will show a layout of the vicinity and what we propose. It Was stated that the de;rLAoper will have to pay .for the costs of upgrading. The petitioners are fuels at the same place, The Highwa7 Department said ba.ically that this entrance onto Highway 5S is okay. There page 6 is great coacera of the crossover to the South,; Planner Bergly stated that he was asked by the pari, Board to do a, study to the east of this area and 'explained the relationship. Chalbi an tgaa stated to the petit that he would li>we to, see an overlay so that he can see how eadi of -these things fit. L. It was stated that tho people =tgho live in the. ;area are used to the traffic on lllghway 55 :and the extra amourxt of traffic shruld not re 11y bother them, Cojardssi,ondr Roth. stated that they get aiot of tra'L xc goi. ag offOfCountyRoad06andthis. `is Aere you, need the traffic control, Commissioner Kroskin felt that the traffic problem is up to tile developer to solve and their present solution is not a satisfactorysolution, planner Boergly stated that the Fli.gh vav Department krill not act until we `cavo the traffic problem. Conmissionex ilaf, r felt that we could. live With this solution until it becomes a' problem Chairman, ligan stated that the COLVICi,l wants to laiow the effect it wiJI 'have on '}the houses and maybe there are ways to solve this Chairman Egan fuels that the Village has to take a positive approach. Commissioner Chapman :made a motion to move,approval of the access TION as proposed realizing that it is an intern solution:., hie believe that it can be lived with The traffic that would run between these homes would not seeya to be an, worse than the traffic on 55.to, the homes. If this access is not acceptable to the Council we recommend that the Council; start action. for tight -of -way of County Road 96 or necessary service drives northeast of Highway 55,' Commissioner Chapman felt that the only wait we will get this problem solved is when the need for a better intersection arises that we will get it and that the stops-ag of development will s never solve this problem. Upon voting on the mt txon, Commissioners Kroskin and Roth opposod while the rest were in favor of the motion, The motion, was carried. The minutes of January G,. 1971 were approve q motion .made byCommit-sioner Chapm,-ui and second --d by Corrdni.ss.,une fihe mecti.ng 'wa;; adjourned at 11.20 P.M.