HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 11-04-1970M UMS OF A REGUTAR MUING OF
U -M PLANNXIrIG CO WSSION
PLYNlC}MIT) YdME-SOTA
OVER 4, 1970
A regular meeting of the Planning Corvdi scion was" called to .order
by Acting Chairman Pollock at 7:35 pan. on November 4 1970 in
the Pl3rnouth Public Works Building.
Present- Acting Chairman Pollock, Planner Bergly, Commissioners
lune, Chapman, Nleils and Roth.
Absent; Chairman Egan.., Commissioners Kroskint Prekker and Hafner.
Th' x..)-rst item of, business was a public hearing on petition,. of RE. Rezoning
Programmed Land, Inc.. to change the zoning from R-0 Open Residence Platting of
District to 1-1 Planned Industrial District and to consider the Programmed Land,
preliminary plat on property generally located east of yenium Inc.
Lane and south of the Minnesota Western Railroad.
P1.Lanner Bergly said that the property was located south of
Highway 55 and ,east of #494. lle said that the total acreage
is about 72 or 73 acres. This land abutts residential land on
the east. The request now involves only about 1/2 of the total
lard acreage. At the present time they are proposing to'
develop the land, from about ` the middle of thetract on to the
west for an industrial area. The area contains a loop street.
They are proposing a 50 foot wide easement. The xemainder of
the tract to the east of thi
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are opera for mond industrial development in Plymouth but, it is
hard for *hem to understand whether these sots would be verymarketable. ,qtr. Bernstein stated that these lots would be
sold in 3 to 5 acre parcels_.
Chairman Pollock asked if there was anyone else who wished to
add anything to these cozments.`
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C+missioner Neils questioned if there was enough room to
properly develop the future townhouse area to the east.
Planner Bergly said that there would be a road coming south
from l5th Avenue adjacent to the east line WE the industrial
plat.
Comli.ssimnor Roth theca asked if they irteant that there would be
no front st-eet. WA . Bernstein, -said that they -plan to go
into cluster typo of wAts with access from, the west
Mr. Bernstt n said. that they propose to develop a buffer screen
on the east side of -the railroad tracks. Be said they have
topographical change n.n the residential portion;. He stated
that the purpose of platting this was so that they could sell
this hand, off in two or three acre lots
Acting Chairman Pollock suggested that the rail spurshould be
relocated. Commissioner Roth felt this M.'ght be a better idea
because he was concerned about running a rail spur adjacent, to
residential property. Commissioner Neils was still concerned
about the drainage of this area and Planner Bergly stated that
this whole area ;reeds to .have a storm sewer study as recommended
by the Engineer.
Connissioner June made a motion to request the petitioner to MOTION
resubmit a new plan at the next meeting which was seconded by
Commissioner Roth. Commissioner Chapman added that he would
like to see the railroad spdi- moved to the west 400 to 600
feet; some type of acc,ss be proposed for 'the residential
to the east; and he would like to see more detail an -the
drainage. ConrIiissi.oner June made a motion that this should
be an amencznen-t to his motion. Commissioner Roth again
seconded the motion. The motion was voted upon and carried
termn nously. The plans will be revised ;rnd shown to the
Pi.anxning Cm missim members at the November 181 1970 meeting.
Mr. William Bides 7f Progrmmmed. sand, Inc. asked if the
Commission would givvt some consideration into rezoning; only
some of the land at tae present time, so that some ground
breaking could be done lbefore the winter,
Commissioner Chapman stated that he felt that this was not a
good idea because they did ,not want to plan each piece of
land. individually. Ile felt they should wait until the entire
Alar. is ready for approval. The other Conor ssi,oner's agreed
With him. bice agazax the items fax consideration were ex-
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pla.ned
The vext item of bm; iness was to col time the discussion of RE: Proposed
a proposed amend nt to allow as a conditional use "the sale Ordinance
of Nursery, a°rid garden produce at retail," in the R„0 Open Amendment for
Residgeice District, Nurseries i
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Com lssiajier ,Chapman asked how many acres. were in this proposal
and it was explained to be about 70 acres of land. It,was
stated that about 45 acres would be used for apartment$ and town-
houses and t%e ?5 acres remaining would be used for public.- Open
space.
The Commission questioned the number of units planned: for this
area anal they felt that this was too much,, but It wass explained
that in the total. acreage that there would be only about 8 tvilts
per acre, approximately tilt same total number of uni is shown on
the East Medicite Lake Glide plan
Commissioner Chapman stated thatthereis very high. density
north of 36th Avenue North in the Four Seasons Area. Traffic
in this area may be difficult, and then: it was stated, that
single famD.y residents create three times as mach traffic as
f.Yies living int an, apartment. This factor should be con-
sade,cd when. determining the traffic problem,
Planner ..Bergly .stated that lir. Adkins did not -want to sell
this :land in pieces and that he. wants to develo-) it plan that
the Village will like and to build this area int. 71 a very
attractive area:. Dr. Adkins stated that he likes this
particular plan and he feels that this would make the best
use of this land and wanks now the opinion of the Commission
as what his chances are for building an crea like this.
Comni.ss:ioner June felt that the idea looked good but he felt
that 554 units was too many for this area. Commissioner Chapman
felt thilt this loops like an excellent plan but feels it is too
far froi Vyy e Guide plan. and he feels that this May cause problem'sthet. xlcLa,
Commissioner Neils stated that lie, liked. this particular use
of the parcel, and was extremely concerned about this particular
area and felt that basi(fally this is a real good plan, Commissioner
Roth 11hes the plan 'out feels that there, may be some problem
concerned about traffic in the area.
ActingCh,; inwi Pollock felt tiiat we should think .more in tenns
of density rather than the type of dwelling, but we should also
procedo with caution and stay close to our coriprehensive plan.
Plmzer 1 ergly stated that at the public hearing for ,the East
iedjcine Lake Study that the Commission had recommended to the
Coo, cil 1.4 more acres of town house density be included and it
will probably be 50 more units than wear the Planning Conunission
recommended to the Council.
It was stated that the members of the Plann n.g .Commission. felt
that this was a good plan but that not all the members were
present and they may have different ideas as to this and it
was entirely up to the developer as to what he washed to do,
next,
Acting Chai-4T= Pollock thanked the, nen for their very fine
PrOsOntation of this area.
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they should reduce the number of units so that they could
eliminate the garage on the south end and replace this with
open space..
COMIssioner. Chapman felt that there should be more green
space between, parking lots and that there should be loss lot
coverage and W. Teigen stated that the parting lots, could be
moved closer to the buildings in order to create more green
space
Acting Ghairrxxaza Pollock fe"',::. that another concern was the
circulation around th, garages and felt that additional accesswouldbeneeded.
Garbage stalls were also discussed and it was feat that these
stalls. should not be placed in the front of the building.
Commissioner Neils made a, motion to accept the committee.'s WTION
recommendations which were stated above. Motion died for
lack of second.
Air. Tom Teigen then asked if he ;could speak and he explained
that they have a 5 million dollar development and that the
changes which they made were only to the advantage and to
convenience the tenant. fie stated that they wished to
di .courage trafficalong the garages and tie reason the
garage in the northwest corner was removed was because the
arra adjacent on the north not, was planned to be used as
a holding pond. The reason to eliminate parking on the
north side is to allow people easy,access to the lake. He
stated that they are creating a forty acre park and there is
no ether access to the. park than through their project,
Commissioner Neils asked what the big reason was for
eliminating the circular drive and Yx Teigen stated that
they ran into soil. problems., Ile commented on the
recommendations made by the committee.
He said that they were all ok except for ninbors 4, 7, and. 8.
fie said that number 8 was impossible because the garage had
already been constructed.
Coin, i ssioner Chapman rade a motion. that they should accept ANION
the Commission's report with.the exception of numbers 4,
7 8 Commissioner Neils seconded the motion, Commissioner
June also added that included in the Motion should be the statements
that if the Commission inspects this development and finds it
not satisfactory that the builders will build the development
beck to the original pian. This amendment was seconded by
Commissioner Chapman, The motion was voted upon and 4 were
ill. favor while .Acting Chairman Pollock opposed fekaling that
garbage, stalls ;.5houl,d not be located in the front yard. The
motion was carried. (See attached commiittee report.
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Ilse October 7th minutes were approved with the following change RE ,approval of1.n the voting of the . approval of. Section 12., there was a vote4in Minutes
of favor, 2 opposed and 2 abstained ,
The minutes of October 21st were approved by a motion made byCcml+mi.ssioner June which was seconded by Cot missioner Chapman
and carried,
The next item of business was, to approve the .landscaping pianofPreferredCircleIndustrialParkwhichwasdiscussedatthe
RE: preferred
Circle IndustrialOctober21stmeeting, Commissioner Chapman made a motion. to Park LandscapingadoptthelaridscapizgplanforPreferredCircleIndustrialPlan
Park as recommended by the planner, Comrni.ssioner June seconded
the motions, The motion was carried unanimously.
Wtion was Tilade by Cor issioner ,Chapman to adjourn, .seconded AWOURRyEUrbyConnissoverNeilsAllwereinfavorofthemotion. The
meeting was adjourned at 12;00.