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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 10-07-1970aaT ITITS tea A REGULAR MUMING CP 41 ME PLAV41NG COMISSION PEYMOU1111, MINNESOTA CCTOBF. 7, 1970 A regular meeting of the Planning Commission was called to order by C1: °Jrman Egan at. 7:35 p.m. on October 7, 1970 in the PlyTwui Public Works Building, Present; Chairman: Egan, Planner Bergly, Engineer Hagen, Commissioners Roth, Anne, Pollock, Prekker, Neils,, Kroskin, and Hainer.. Absent: Commissioner Chapman The first item of business was a request for a conditional use RE: NORTMSTERt permit by Northwestern Fell Telephone Company to permit a BELL REQUESTS s~vitching station in an R-0 District. CONT)ITIONAL USE PERMIT Planner Bergl y explained 'that the site they are requesting to build a local telephone switching station is south of County Road 9 ;end east of Xenium Lane., fie explained that the parcel of land is 10 acres and it would have- frontage on Xeni um Lane. 1t. Bob Dokken represent'inp Northwestern Bel exn wined the proposal to the Commission, He told the Commission that the area is now served by the two offices which are located in the Medicine Lake area and in the Crystal, area, Iie said that the reason they were asking for this location for their office was because it was in the center of the area served and would be the most economical site for the building, He said the station Mould be built no later than 1976 and no earlier than 1974.,Ile said that they had looked at several pieces of land but they felt this best suited their needs. Planner ,Bergl.y .asked for some examples of other stations which were located in and arotLid the area, Mr.. Dokken said that there were such stations in Wayzata, Navarre and the office in Crystal, Commissioner dune asked ,fr. Dokken how much of the land this station would actually rise up. qtr, Dokken said 'Ghat, not all the Land is necessary and they hav ; an option to buy either 5 acres or 10 acres. Cozinnissioner June stated that his reason for asking this was because the parcel under discussion was indicated for median density on the guide plan and .cross from a residential area and he felt that if the company had all this land that they may want to expand, and he didn't feel that this was a good idea for this type of area, Engineer Hagen asked for the size of the proposed ouildr-ng; and it was annvered thait would 1~e about I01' x 3P01 Mr, Dokken said that they are asking only for the approval of a switching Page2 center, He said that the s e of building is rather smal l in size,: has a small amount of maintenance and only, 8 to 12 emt la pees Engineer Hagen stated that he felt one thank the Planning Commission, should he aware of is that this is an area the Qiide plan: recommends should be medium density residential and if the momhers are going to grant this approval there ani many conditions that should be set and also they should not give permission to build this building until -they see theplansforit. Mr. Dokken stated that novr the telephone company is using arch i tactual work on tbeir buildbig r instead of just a box type =.alding_ Commissioner Neils asked i rr i)okken how much c uipmont would be outside and W. llokken ansaaerecl this as to only the .9 to 12 cars of the employees who work them, Commissioner nor expressed an ideti of moving; this to the west side of Interstate #494 and athcNn 'it would'he located in the right type of district. Mr, Dokken stated that the owner is all but sold out on a long term contract for apartments. Ile then shoved the Commission some pictLares of the new buildings which are tieing buil t. He stated that the buildings pictured were going .on about a 3 -acre lot. Cmnissioner June once again stated that he doesn't feel, any objection, to the building but what he is worried about is the development of the land. 'Mr. Dokken, stated that they are nowr asking only to build a switching station and oily that and that in the future if they wished to build something; else they would expect to have to come hack to the Commission. Commissioner Neils stated that after parkway dedication there probably i raul,dnlf be much more than five acres of land loft, qtr. Dokken said they could buy the front S acres of the entire 19 acres, but trv option provides that a 301 easement be pro- vided along ether the north or south line of their property to the ease 5 .acres and this will continue until another type of access is built. Engi Page 3 the Commission if they agree or dis-agree what the proper con- ditions would be to accept ti,is° type of building in the location. Ile also started that they would have to work out the details and arrangements so that they could feel, reasonably sure, that they can build. 14r. Doo ken stateA that all he is asking; now is for assurance that they will be able to put a building up on the site which is acceptable to the Commiassion, Chairman Agan felt that this was a risk aml he suggested that N3r,, Dokken go into the industrial area,: iJr, Dokken said he has checked into the industrial area and it would be much too costly to build a building of this type in that area, Engineer Hagen said -that they should consider the :Fact that in a fear years there will be different members on the Commission and they may not feel the same about this request, and it may be hard for the company to place a building on this site, Commissioner Pollock stated that he was of the opinion that this is definitely not the proper place for the building and that there are appropriate sites to the south, north, and hest. Ile stated he would say definitely no to this building being placed here:. Connmissioner Hafner also agreed with Ccmissioner Pollock on this. Commissioner :Neils stated that they should consider the Guide Plan very carefully Before thf y should permit this use so as not to set a precedence for infringement on the Chide Plan. Planner Ferglyy stated that this is a public service use and that the ordinance allows such use in any district by conditional use permit. Commissioner Doth said that this is true only when found to be necessary and he said that there is plenty of land which this building could lie placed on as a Permitted use and that he doesn't feel that this is necessary as a use. tiir. Do,ken stated that in roving Farther west the land would cnst more and it would also cast more for the continuing phone service to the area. Cha:4rman Egan stated that they should either defer, approve, give tena.tive approval or deny the request for this building;, Commi.sionei Pollock moved denial of the request on the basis that he .feels that there are more appropriate locations on the map for the building. lbe motion was seconded by Co missioner Tune. Colvniss oner Pr4kker stated that lie would like to have some more h1formation on'what sites would be available for them.. Cortimi.ssioner Kroskin stated that by moving the building to the north that they could use the land to the south for a buffer. The motion was voted upon and Commissioner Prekker and Yroskin opposed the motion while the rest were in favor of -the motion. The motion was carried. PTIONI Page 4 The next item of business was for the site plaza. approval of an RP` SITE PIAN, apartment complex located near the southeast corner of County APkOViV FOR Road, 6 and Highway 101, Bruce U board, representing 'Ail,l:er, MILLER) I T -J BY Me:lby & Hanson Architects, Inc. presented a plan as to how RMSTN ARCH. they wish to have the site and building designed. Ile stated that it is a 60 unit apartmentI:roj ect . Isle said that there are 60 outside parking spaces and 60 garage parking spaces, so that each unit has 2 parking spaces. Ie said -that the apartment would have a roaplete security system There as an elevator in the building to serve the 3 floors of the anartr ent. Ile also exnlained the drainage system to the Commission The question was Brought up about the neighborhood situation in this area. He said that the children have created a Path and that they would leave a S foot spare for the ch l.lren to use and that they would place some type of hedge 5 fest from the test property line to define the pathvray and serve as a bu I"fer « Commissioner Roth asked what the outside of the building would be made of and Mr. Hubbard said that the first floor of the building would be brick, fie said that it would be similar to the Sagamorer Apartments, Co;m-aissioner flamer asked What the renting price would be of a 1 bQdroom apartment and Mr, I-bbbard said it would be between $185, and $1.95, a month, Commissioner Pollock asked what 'type of lighting would be used. Mr. Hubbard, said that there would be lights on the garages and in the front of the building.. Some posts mi.eht be used to give the proper amount of lighting. Commissioner Neils asked about where the garbage area would be and Mr. Hubbard said that this would be in the garage area. Ile said that they have several ideas in mind about how to handle this situation but first they would like to find out who will be collecting the garbage. Ile said that there would be a seperate building attached to the garage with its oam venting system. Mr. If libard stated that they wishcd to begin excavating .so that they, can get the building started in, the spring. Cconissionertr 'veils 8sRed that Being this apartment is :so close to a school wouldn't it be desirable to have a walk- way placed in the right of -way. F rig i neer Dagen answered Oat the right-of-way j:s a big ditch and the Village must have a plan to get the children safely, gross the -road. Commissioner .lune redorwen&d approvala -- ilae site plan with A)TIOIN the land:scapinA plan to be developed at unproved, the walk- uny be developed within a year from con ;legion of ane building and also hoar the refuse storage area ura ll he handled that vill be put; into the ,garages, The motion was seconded by Commissioner Hafner. All were'in favor of the notion. The motion vas carried. Page 5 The next item of bu iness was a discussion with School District 8281 on a proposed ,7mior fligh Site, Pr Hood: appeared 7 first b,fore the Comr ission to represent District #281 and he gave a brief previeis of khat was to be presented tonight and also the present situation of ;School DYStrict #281, He stated that at the present time they are in need, of the Stf &aior Ftigh School. lie said that they need this building ry September of 1971 but that they will not get it open until September of 1972, Dr. .flood gave his apologies to the Co:md'ssion and he said that in no way have they ever tried to bypass the Coanission or the Council. lie said that they have tried to cooperate with the Council and the Commission. lie stated that they have spent many months looking for the most desirable site and they thought that they had found one but then they found out that this does not meet with what they need for it had: 1. no thoroughfare 2. no utilities going to that -site for 5 orf years lie said that they have again looked and th v think that they have found a site which will well serve the purm-e of the school. pr. flood introduced str, Boynton to explain the new sate they have found to the c mtmi.ssxon. The new Junior Higlh will accomodate from 1.,2011 to 1,700 students.. Mr. Boynton stated that a building of this size will: take about 30 acres of land, when you think that the building and parking facilities alone will take up about 10 acres and the athletic fields will need about 18 acres. The students that this school will serve will live primarily in an area along 42nd avenue. iliey felt the area in which to build a school should be north of Rockford Read. Mr. Gene Greed, the architect, next spoke to.the Commission and told them of the proposed location for the; school. fie said that the site is located on Zachary Ume north of the present elementary school which was constructed more than a year agog Ile. stated: that they have done two things basically: I. To work out and discuss with Mr. Bergly to see tris would fi't in the neighborhood plan and have showed him the 'proposed p1mas fo: him. to make suggestions on, 2. To look at a schematic use pattern for the site. Pe stated that there are two concerns which are: A concern for the traffic in and around the area and the imlbNrays for the students who walk to school, Mr. Green stated that they have established areas for open recreation spaces and green areas, Said that there are some construction probleins related to the terrain which might make it necessm to build on the east end of the property which would need vehiculilar access. That there appears to PF: PPOPnSM. JR, HIM r SrfF FOR DVF; 'RTMI' ff2al Page be no great difficulty In developing a drainage pattern for the site. At the present time the Cup e Plan shows a, road to run diagonally through which would, have to be xeroutid around the school site, It was stated that there aro large hardwood trees an the south- east portion of the site whish wbul.d: indicate that the street should be moved a little further to the lgest which will reduce the acres by a little less than three acres and leaving a 27 acre site,, It was stated that the many beautiful trees in this area could probably, be hest protected and ulitlzed by medium density re- sidential development as proposed for this area, They could develop their plan as so to work around these trees and save them as much as possible. Chairman Egan thanked :[fir. Hood for presenting the plans for the school to the V"i:l.lage. Coomissioner Prekker asked the architect if they would have to do much earth, moving, It was answered that some earth mcving would have to be done because there is about a 40 foot change in elevation. Mair nan Fgan asked about what amount of enrollment would be able to walk to school and it was anmi Bred to he about I/3 of the students, Conmm miss loner Kroskin asked what: the number of students enrolled was In the elementary school. It, was answered to he about 850. Mr. green said that there will be- street dedication on the north and east boundaries. It was stated that there would be an overlap of ballfields clue to seasonal use, fir. Green stated that it has been proven that a one story, school building, is cheaper to build than a ,multiple story building. Chairman t an ; L..ed that they should. -now discuss the changes Rl sFCUON necest ary in ction 12 to p i-Ae for the scho1, Planner 1,2 IMY AND hergly explained the chanes that wc _-!d be necessary to APPROVAL OF accomodate the school in this particular ste, FINAL PLAN I mgineer fktgea felt that no connection enouuld be made from County Road 9 through this neighborhood azo ti. Planner Bergly said that collector streets are only to get the people out of the neighborhood areas onto larger capacity roadways and not tin provide through streets across the neighborhood: Chairman lagan stated. -that as part of the public hearing we are i,ntorducing a nein land use which is a Junior High Site and would nomq lake to open it up to the, public with regard to the changes we have indicated since our -Last meeting. Comissioner Heffner asked hoer much totheconsiderationwasgiven commvm=it)r shopping; center in that cowlex and if the center is really needed, Planner BQ rgly answered that these centers serve an area of a radius of miles. 1,16 explained that there are three types of sholsping` ccnters which are- neighborhood, communi Page, 8 and bran; any quost1 ons dealing with this to the, next meeting, Next, the ininutes of Jtiae- :S -iexe aT-Vrovod Motion was made by R { APk'RMIA Com ssioner Pollock and seconded by Commissioner Neils, ' The OF fir I S OP motion was carried by an all vote in favor. The minutes Prom JCS 3 TO ISIRPT. Jime 1.7 to September 16 were also approved by the Commission, , 16 1070 I''oti n was made Izy Com issioner Pollock and seconded by Commissioner Roth. An all an favorvote, carried the motion, A motion was mado to adjourn ire meeting by Commissioner ADJOTtRMINTTr Rafher and was seconded 'by Cha. an Pgars. All were in favor of the motion, The meeting was adjourned at 11:35 pwm=. a