HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 04-29-1970Planning Commission Minutes 7 . April 29, 1970
Commissioner PoV ook moved for approval of site plan MOTION
including the variances of 4 feet. and 5 feet respectively
on the parking setbacks along 'the side and rear entries,
all subject to engineerity- approval of grades.
Commissioner ,dune seconded the motaoxi. ,Motion carried
by aye vote with exception of Marren Chapman opposed.
Mr. Cox indicated financing has been arranged, and a
stagy ding date of July is proposed.
Site plan approval was requested by Richard Cox for a RE;
series. of 5000 square foot modular industrial buildings Park
located on Industrial Park Borlevard,, Planner Pexgl.y Industrial
pointed out that we have not had more than one building V3411age -
on one lot, and Mr, Cox replied that a lot of companies 5000 sq.ft.
need 5000 square feet of building, gs and with thistype of modular
building a tenant could expand little by little. He also buildings
indicated that it is a waste of Land to build a whole lot
of individual buildings, and furthermore it's too expen-
sive. Commissioner Hainer asked if all these buildings
are for warehouse purposes. Mr.. Cox replied they would
be for warehousing and manufacturing purposes.
Commissioner Prekker then asked if a conditional use per- er-
mitmitis needed then for these manAfacturing concerns.
Commissioner Chapman expressed concern about trucks stack-
ing up, and Mr, Cox indicated an allowance of one unit
for each 5000 square feet. Chairman, Egan asked when
building would start and how long it would take. Mr. Cox
replied that building would start this summer and would
take three years. Chairman Egan expressed concern over
fire protectioa and indicated he would want the fire chief
to lake a look at the project. Commissioner Prekker made MOTION
a motion to refer the request to the Zoning Committee for:
study and a report to the next meeting. Commissioner Neils
seconded the motion, and the motionn was carried by
unanimous vote.
Rngineer Hagen related the history of the request for re- REt
zoning by MTP for the area lying generally south ofthe MSP Rezoning
Minneapolis Western Railroad and easterly of Interstate 3rd Addtn)
494, This request had been referred to the Plat "Committee
to study rerouting of Highways 15 & 61.. Commissioner
RolloC*K stated that residents object to the proposed align-
ment. of the county, hi&gays, and that the Planning
Commi.sa.ion had recommended: that the staff arrange a meeting
With the county to ' deteiTaine the feasibiUty of realignment.
Mr.. Hagen conutented that the highway depax tment had `uggest ed
the alignment be resolved on, the communit y level: and 'then
brought back to them for approval.
PLANNING COMMISS1011T MINUTES
PEGtJUR MEETING PL'YMOUTH,, MINN.
PRIL, 291 1970
A regular meeting of thr- PT%nr i:ng Cc:nmission was called to
Order by Chairman Ed Efi! it 29, '970 at 7:30 p.m.
PRESENT: Commission •finer, Po Ilock, Chapman:,
Neils, ',Rot an Egan, Engineer Hagen,
Planner: Bei
ABSENT: Commissaunex K.-oskin (caste later at 11:45 p.m.)
Chairman Egan opened the public hearing on, the petition RE
of Wayzata Developers, Inc., for a preliminary pkat for Ponderosa
Ponderosas' an approximate 60 acres located west of
Dunkirk Lane between 25th and 28th Avenuas North, Planner
Bergly summarized the significant details of the project
and pointed out necessary revisions. Chairman Egan indite
cated he felt Mr. Bergly had done a. good and thorough job
of investigation and that he could find little if anything
objectionable, Be felt there was quite a bit of improve-
ment with regard to the realigning of the southeast leg of
Fountain Lane slightly to the east, thus giving better
buildable lots.
Commissioner Pre"tker askedif it was necessary to have a
walkway between Lot 5, Block, 5, and Lot 11 Block 8 at that
poin4 of 27th Avenue North. Planner Bergly replied that
this walkway provides contixt;Pity from Park A to Park B and
indicated that the purpose of these walkways is to provide
alternate' paths to children: going to school: and to parks„
Commissioner Roth indicated 'he felt that the distance of
50 feet from back of buildings to the walkway is too
narrow for privacy.
Chairman Egan stated he would like to refer this matter to
the Plat Committee to iron out the number of problems j
needing further attention and that the .Plat Committee would
meet with .Mr. Bergly. Commissioner Pollock suggested that
Chairman Egan appoint Mr, Niles to the Plat Committee,
1. Roger Fazendin spoke from the floor and asked that the
Wayzata Developers stay through the discussion on "Fazendin
Park" because his thinking was that long walk paths are not
good planning and perhaps between the two of them they
could work out a solution,
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Commissioner Prekker made a motion to refer the matter
to the Plat Committee. Lotion by
MOTION
was seconded Commissioner
Pollock. Motion carried by all aye; vote.
Chairman Egan opened the public hearing on the p:eti;tion of PE;
James Shaughnessy for preliminary plat ;for "Burgundy Burgundy
Village," an approximate 22 acres located east of gest Village
Medicine Lake Road:, north ofState Highway 55. Planner
Bergl.y related significant points of the petition..
Discussion followed, and Commissioner Prekker asked if we
required a screening ;from the car wash directly to the
south, Chairman Egan replied he didn't; think it was an
effective one sightwise. Commissioner Roth said there is
an unusual level of noise from the car wash, and: be would
suggest some kind, of baffling. Charman Egan replied that
the rear of the building itself provides its own baffling.
Commissioner Prekker asked what the reason, was for the
Exception adjacent to ;Lot 1, and ML. Shaugxanessy replied
than they didn't own that. The question was asked whether
Lot. 1was also going to be utilized for apartments. Mr.
Shaughnessy stated that Lot l would possibly be used in
the future for a retail use,
Commissioner Pollock questioned alignment. of 12th Avenue
ind.: cating this road should be brought up to standard 70'
which would make building setback 65' instead of 73'
Commi.sS3oaer Pollock 'noted that Lot 4 doesn't meet area
requirements, and Mr. Bergly replied that, this problem
could be solved by juggling property lines of Lots 3, 4,
arid 5. Mr. Shaugh'oessy replied that if he were granted a
variance of 10,000 feet on Lot 4 there would be no problem.
Mr. Shaughnessy indicated he has dedicated streets for
mortgage purposes. Distances between buildir.g varies up
to 500'. He also pointed out that when you look at this
plat you see very, little parking lot but a tremendous amount
of green area.
Commissioner Neils- commented that parking is off to one
side or end of building in each case which results in
cL: cbmstance where occupant living ,in far end of building
has a further distance to go to get his car, Mr. Shaughnessy
agreed that a Unit A occupant would have to walk about
100' to get to parking lot for his second carr, but he
emphasized the fact that each occupants has one parking stall
right under the building.. He also stated that he tried to
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keep greazt areas as large as possible and especially
between blah ldillg,5 and parking tats . He indic4t;ed he
Plans to screo,n on the south property Iiiie also
Commissioner Juno asked ho -97, many parking places were
available for Unit C, and Mr. Shaughnessy replied 3$
outside plus 50 underneath the building.
Chairman Egan indicated commission was loohing at
approval of plat and general site plan approval at that
point. He thon, closed the public hearing. 1n the dis-
ussiOn that followed, Mr. Bergly explained that this
project is of low density and. that 20 additional., units
would be allowed under existing ordinance and under the
Community Unit Project, the project would allow an
additional 100 units,
Commissioner Prekker made a motion to approve preliminary 1IOT. ON
plat subject to the following conditions
1) A 70' right-of-way be allowed on 12Th Avenue..
2) The curvature of 12thAvenue be adjusted per
Engineer Hagen` s ~ecot imendations.
3) An easement be authorized , to include parking
on. Lot 2 for Lot .
4) A variance be granted for Lot 4, which is
below the minimum area requirements for n1,mr1ar
of units proposed.
5)Aneryasement for common driveway between Lots
2 and. 4.
Commissioner Chapman seconded, the motion. Chairman Egan
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indicated: he thought there vas a problem with setback on
Lot 5, Unit L, but that this could be taken up under site
plan: approval,. Motion was carried by unanimous dote.
Mr. Shaughnessy indicated he would bring in ;a landscaping
plan and said he planned to put in cul-de-sac right away
but that 12th Avenue would bc- quite an investment to put
in at this time, and he would like to put 12th in at :the
time Unit E is developed. Commissioner' Pollock suggested
that could be eliminated from final plat.
Chairman Egan orened discussion- on the preliminary plat E
for Fazendin Park.., an approximate 50 acres west of Fa.zendin
Dunkirk, north of Garland & Fountain, Lanes, and east of Park
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Stiany Acres, 3rd Addition. fir. Roger Fazendin presented
his remarks to the effect that the parks are a knotty
problem, Ke feels the; Tillageis running into the question
al"-' what are the parks galin-g to be .and how are they going
to be handled. Ite feels that Homeowners Associations work
Well with much larger tracts of Land than the Vi. l.age is
dealing with here, and he believes the best way to handle
these small areas is for the Village to assess Iii a manner
which woti'Ld cause:- these people closest to park and bene-
fitting most From it to p-ly moze proportion,}.tela than those
people further away. He is aware that the Villa=ge doesn`=t
hay,.*e administratioLt personnel r o handle practical aspect
and mrnintenaaca,, He reiterated, his experience with iklargaret
Circle Park in Wayzata, an aretx approximately 100 by 3001
long, ivh ch is used mostly- by small youngsters ---gnat Little
ague, Zor instance. Mr. Fazeadin emphasized that the
time to iron out -these park problems is now because once
new ghborhoc,ls are sifodi.vided and parks are not provided
they never will be there.
Commissioner Roth indi=cated liefeelsthere are too many
parks in: "Po derosal,, ai3A if tile Village i s talking about
assessing, the upkeep wo.al.d be tri-meadous. Mr. Fazendin
repliers that some of these parka could be consolidated by
the p .arner„
Chairman ,Egan indicated he would like to ask the Pkat ACTION
Conmt"ttee to move in'utiediately to Prepare the best approach
to handling the smaller parks that have been created by
Community Unit Planning, working :in conniLnction 'with the
planner, park staff, village attorney, and even involving
the developars. Re suggested that these two plats, Ponderosa
and Fazendin Parke be used as examples,
Mr. Fazendin told of a State maintenance yard over in that
neighborhood and raid that they Rdn' 't: want any dirt moved
on it. He felt the Planning Commission should have the
Village tell the State to wove it out, or do something with
it, because that is no place for, a, junk pile,
Planner Pergly presented the petition of G, :Allen Enter- RE:
pry.. p for a conditional use permit in an R-0 district for G. Allen
the p,,, pose of operat=ing a mobile home steles busines=s on EntiRrprises
property located north of State Highway 55, approximately
one-quarter mile west; of Dunkirk Lane. Planner Pexgly in-
d:icated such a use was not now permitted in an R -O distri=ct.
Chairman Egan out=lined throe alternatives petitioner could
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drop the, idea of locating in Plymouth,apply for
a rezoning the: allowofpropertyto, the use, or
recommend some location presently zoned for thin use:
Chairman Egan indicated that the Commission was -not
in a position to commit themselves yet on a rezoning
to a B-3 district and stated that a study is underway
of the West -Central area of Plymouth, 'which would
include this property;, involving the possible uses
that this; land might ultimately take, Planner Eerglyindicatedthatthisstudywouldbecompletedsothat
a public hearing could be held after October, 31.
Chairman Egan;indicated to `petitioner that he could
look to a fall completion of the study.
Discussion opened on a. conditional use permit for Robert
F. Rei.ke to operate a marine sales operation on a 40'x Robert
60' lot on the southeast corr.,ar of the Dairy Queen tract E. Reike
across from PlVmouth Tillage shopping ceuterron 55.
Chairman Egan questioned the petitioner on the parking
aspect, and, fir. Reilc.e replied that he does not have a
largo volume of people, they generally amble over from
the Dairy- Queen. It was brought out than this would 'be
a seasonal parmit running from the first of April to the
end. of July. Motion was made by Commissioner Chapman to MOTION
grant, a conditional use permit. Commissioner June
seconded, and the motion rias carried by unanimous vote.
Discussion opened on the petition of Zachary Lane Nursery RE:
Landsc,"ing for a conditional use permit in an R-0 dis- Zachixty
trice for the purpose of erecting a 4'x8" sign on the Lai -ie, Nurc:ery
corner of Zachary Lane and County Road 9, Commiss.i.one:, and
Pollock stated he felt the use itself was illegal, that Landscaping
in an R -O district greenhouses are permitted for growing
purposes only, not for retail, sales, Planner Bergly"
commented that he had talked with the Nursery, and, they
had told him this was not a retail stales operation, that
they have the plants there and the machinery to move theca
out, Commissioner June indicated he felt plants were
being sold there. Commissioner Neils sated he felt the
problem wasn't one of traffic but that you have a "non-
conforming use" in an R-0 district, and CommissioDer June
indicated that what is there is, not" offensive, but thaw
things have a way of growing, Com ilssioner Hafner indi-
cated that he couldn't understand why the Planning
Commission would allow a sign since this would be setting
a precedeat, and he feels signs are the ;Host: unsightly
thing, in the country,
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Commissioner Hafner mooted that the request be detti.ed.
Commissioner Pollock
MOTION
seconded the motion. arid, suggested
that for everyone's benefit~ the VillageAttorney could
clarify this point, and if it is a, retail saes operation
he could require them to cease and desist or apply for.
rezoning of the area. Commissioner Neils stated he fel.
the Nursery should be advised to respect to the ordinance
of what kind of sign he could put. there. Motion was
voted on. and carried by unanimous vote.
A petition was presented by W. C. King, &chiteet, and RE;-
Ivan Olson of Van Dusen-for site plan approval for Van Dusen
industrial building expansion for Van Dusen,, Inc... Expansion
located in the vicinity of Dunkirk Lane, Medina Road,
and State. Highway 55. The petitioners were complimented
on -screening ofparking areas. Commissioner Prekker made MOTION
a. motion for approval, of the site plan with recommendation
of r,: moval of the s uth two parking stalls tomotet front
yard; setback requirements. Commissioner Chapman .seconded,
and the motion was carried by a unanimous, vote.
Site plan approval was requested by Richard Cox, repre- RE:
senting Minneapolis Industrial Park, for the: industrial Beatrice
building for Beatrice Foods Company (John. W. Sexton) Foods (John
located on Zinnia Vane: between Fater Tower Circle and. W. Sexton)
Industrial Park Boulevard. Commissioner Pollock moved
approval of site plan subject to the engineering report MOTION
on drainage and including the 5 foot variance on the
front side yard and a 10 foot variance on the north side
yard. Commissioner Hafner seconded the motion., Engineer
Hagen indicated he would like to see grading plans . Motion
was carried by unanimous vote.
Site plan approval was requested by Richard Cox for the RE:
1Ii.nnea,polis Industrial Paris office building located at MIP Office
County Road 6 and Highway 55. The question of drop-off Building
traffic on the service drive in front of the building was
raised by Planner Bergly. Mr. Cox replied that experience
has been that there is 't a lot; of drop-off traffic.
Planner Bergly indicated that C e need a foott ancevariance
on all sides of p-arking abutting interior property line.
The building location is appropriate. He suggested that:
appropriate signs should be pint on the side to facilitate
traffic movement during peak hours, both at the access
point of the frontage road and at the drop-off points, and
subject to engineer's approval of grades. Commissioner
Roth asked if egress meets Gold, Bond's access on County
Road 6, and Planner Bergly replied it didn't appear so.
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Mr. Ted Pamperin, resident representing the Wedgewood
and °pinewood neighborhoods, presented a petition of
those opposed to the road alignmaat because of its
bringing the industrial park into the existing single
family neighborhood. Residents are agaList rezoning
of the area from R- O to 1--1 in the southeastern
quadrant of the -requested :area and ask that 600 feed
west. , and 670 feet - north not be zoned industrial to
protect the residents. Commissioner Pollock replied
that the location of the structures could be such as to
provide proper space desired by residents. Chairman;
Egan summarized discussion by indicating that a group
formed of himself) Engineer Hagen, Planner tergly,
arse' Commissioner Polltaaci go out in the field: and explore
all aspects of the problem and; finally comeup with a
workable solution. Commissioner Pollock made a motion MOTION
to this effect and also indicated that this group would
have the specific intention of making a recommendation
to the Commission at their next regular meeting,. Motion
was :seconded by Commissioner Prekicer and carried by
unanimous: vote
Discussion opened on the special use permit for Jerome
Begin, to construct a sang tory landfill - south of County
RE;
Jerome
Road 9 and west of Nest Medicine Lake Boulevard and also Begin's
on the request to have a. small building on skids to be Sanitary-
used as an office for the operation. Chairman Egan Landfill
indicated that the Planning Commission has practically
tail,ormade the Sanitary Landfill Ordinance around the
request of bb:,. Begin for a sanitary landfill and stated`
that the ordinance dors call for a conditional use permit
The landfill is ready to be operational., and it could
provide a.pretty good service to the people in Plymouth
who are in need of such a facility. A 30 -day permit could
be granted
Commissioner Neils asked what the. Planiiing Commission's
role should be. on application of this matter. Should not
first priority be whether this location is an appropriate
place for a sanitary landfill. Chairman Egan replied that
this question- was answered a year or so ago in the affi.rma- j
tive. Commissioner Neils questioned what stipulation,-,
would be involved, and Planner Berg.y replied that it is
an engineering concern to make 'this, site worth something
when they are through with it, Commissioner Neils replied
then we must be concerned with end topography. Engineer
Hagen indicated that Mr. Begin had basically matched. up
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wILth grades on Rockford Road, Commissioner Chapman
asked about runoff, .and ringineer Hagen replied thatt this
aspect has been examined by PCA and Consulting Engineer
onestroo, and it %s felt that drainage is filtered far
enough and doesn't run directly overland.
Commissioner Chapman made a mot.on granting a conditional MOT ICN
use permit for the sanitary landfill, operation subject to
the onginee*;'s approval of final grading pians. Commissioner
Pollock seconded the motion, and it was carried by a
iianimous vote. Commissioner Chapman made a motion` granting
approval for an office for the sanitary landfill.
Commissioner Neils seconded the motion, and it was carried
by a unanimous vote.
The next item on the agenda was committee appointments. RE:
Dale Pollack was asked to be Chairman of the. Plat Committee Committee
and is to be accompanied an that committee by Gerald Neils Appoint_
as Vice Chairman, and John Moth and Fred Hafner, ments
Warren Chapman was asked, to be Chairman of the Zoning
Committee, to be accompanied by Ron Prekker as Vice Chair-
man, and Reginald Kroskin and Marlo ,Tune,
Chairman Egan suggested hggthatatcommitteechairmencheck with
John Bergly for items coming up for end, of May meeting and
then get together with their, respective committees for
study before .the ,meeting.
Commissioner Neils made a, motion that the Planning Comm:i.ss- RE;
ion hold two meetings a month --on the first and third Wed- Planning
nesdays of the month. Commissioner June seconded the Commission
notion, and it was carried by unanimous vote; Meetings
Engineer Ragext raised the question of approving a tempos- RE:
ary building requested by DeVac between the one just DeVa.c
approved and their existing: building. A short disctis`sion Temporary
ensued on whether a metal building is allowable, and Building
Chairman Egan indicated it was too late in the everting
to take this up in the detail necessary. He suggested it
betabled until the nett meeting and directed it to be put
on the May 13th agenda
Commissioner Trekker renominated Dale Pollock for the RE;
position of Vice Chairman of the Planning Commission. Plan -ring
Motion was seconded by Reg Kroskin and carried by unanimous Comwa. Vise..
vote, Chairman