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14 1969
special teatIzg of the Planning (),Omission -was called to ordor by (I' ai.rvan al'i
20 P.Z.
pr+s ix i;s Q'IMO- Bg ,. Comm i.ssioners Chapman)Redtke, Xi.r,: toff,, Xr-Oski.nr Frekker
apd Pollock, r-l:snner John, Bergly anc Vddw;st Planning representative
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Pei.ckort.. Com, Kroskia arrived ab 9too p.m,
Abseat; VOIX. B ssianer `s finer., ;
Zhi. XeOtitg Vas called to discuss, the Comprehensive Guide Flan for the center
par of the Ville, the vicitity or 494 and. 55., Com. Hafner had sit a report
Ort his ilAnkinff an the pig. to ChMn. an who read the report4 and the Cormi.ss on
there discus%eco the p7lalk easing the awns. as designated ia Cori. Hafnerl s report
as a; guicle.
T40 discuMLOA in this area centered about the various shopping centers AM& NORTH 011,
at the start. COM. Pollock spoke about, the i:ntegmtion of the shopping Co.. RD, 9
canter and the i zes of the various ones. Chmn. stated in, part the
probably a combitaticU of shopping center and limited business. Natia
that the shorpitia oentvr sone can include the and the: service -inti on
well plannedpl with the center, The various cnents °made were paYtx:al3.yas. fal.l.ows$ Co nercial. areas and high density .. ea maj- be pre--zoned. Ve
feel that the two tyres of use that may be pre-zoned. arE single and majorindustrial, Outline -the area -1
4hi.ch you do not want single S zaml.y. Designate it cn the guide plan and as these things cone in thay could bedecidedonatthattime. As the need arises, then the zoning can occur. It
sholld be our policy- to recognize the areas that vil? not develop into singlefamily- Our R-O zoning now can actually j..reveut them from being bt;'l.t becausetheyhavetocomeintoeetaoorditi,onal: °use permit, We may find .someone whomaydanttostartthehi& density, and we mW cone tp witha. c1ifficul t, piece to
opdevelat a later date.: This could always happert atthesizeM47be we
should be concerned with'. Chrn. ESAU stated that he assumed that they wereinagreementon `the shopping center area.. Planner John RsTgly co eated
that there were somewhare in the area. of /x,500 uajt,:i r.jits - Z90 -acres of highdensitr" 2421 go=res, of medium density and °'21;4 acres of singj;. fag il.y. TheBOUndaale,S o f :.he steady area are sorawwzher i wi VijA the confines of the mapbeforeyoin.
Chm. stated in fa t, that he reAlized wlyat kind cif area it was„ lie can
e*o-MU ate t- 0 ueighba,,,hoo4 aonc 4pt. r'U% i exclusive off` the open space, SpeakingfortheGOMiPsionhe 7mggested t:`.k`ix the ajedi.at:i t xs. OV on o l to the-pibl3c
be adopted for cult,". 1. ftew l ings. lay 'ached use this the r method of i'ed_
cation, or 1 P .t, the p .aj L? 9d idea of develorpment. Cot. Carina cautioned tLattheydorotwantforlaIA1overtheVll.;age w%ich point was well taken.
It vae noted that the planner 'Went up uIth a very large oto ssing at No. 9 and NO. 51
and the hi L density in this, corner was questioned. fir. Peickert of Midwest
explained th€t etre property is generally sloping toward that crossing and U, will -
c+'qerIOOk; the crossing. These do not follow property linos: and: th-s entd.re area.
AML oand, could be developed into single family but that is not probably. Com. Poll, Oak ock pointed c t:: '. F .a t There are .nate high; den:ty` next to single family, and
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when, you. look at the e4sting ;dap there are gust six h.oates on the north :side or
42nd Wid these w Jl.d be included in. the multiple and comma ero.;al and there is
nothin[, irAtil you, g.,et up Into the extreme comer. Therefore you vauld have a 4ase
Elf' she fMily home owners° building with the 1-4014l.edge that there teas highdensitythero. %)U, Planner stated that the area included has five ioilg whichriar'O norMa3-17 considered. halr to develop far ale, Family.
The Bei prapei:ty -,,-aa then discussed having been an area the Com i.sion hadconsdaredtheofhighrise. The church property,goes from 40 to60 ,feet above the road. if the soil ccndi.tion varrents it maybe one high rise '
would leave the balance open which would probWlIv be s.11 right. Mr. Feickertstatedtheywouldono% that they ,,onsidor hid r•.ioa north of Xr,n 9 andgestofthefreeway. SinZ.a f ily° was theta discussed as to ita l.ocat1on alongh-he fraeway.
Tiii s, area includes the college the park and a lot of other limited h(I'OF >, scumbusintess. Com. Ki °ehof'f questioned the desirability of so many shop-- OF CO. ISD. 9 at dPingcenters. Mr. peickert explairaed that yk;u have more thaaa three UST OF , a
miles between them and they normally recommend about one or cr s and ahalfmilesfortheneighborhoodareacenters. T;Us is the norm-,l tradearea ''or tei&, Urhood centers. Q%=. Egan stated ill part Gha' another poi;tasGhatevenintheetropalitanPlaiMin; IS4;,aa about a year incxcated thatthe *'ton's - H,7. ,3..2 was a. neighborhood center and that it ?.so indicated theoneinthe ,area of 494 and 55 wculd be compat.•sbl e. cane. rc skIza questionedwhere, th : sbppp l.ng 0,eutera would be located t thE, '
zag come in tx e area of
south ''ir, peichert statedthatVllizcietonka. would. be developing .
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pHvly. 12. cozaa.. X°osldnquesti.cned in the guide just 1, k,* ore 4rnbrook and the freaway it i s lightilldustri.al: anci he questicucd the sing,(+ family up in the coaxer,. fir. e3 cker tutateathatitissomeVaatasiudarsituation, as Kavanaugh's addition but it isnotasserious. The demand for comercial iso the interchange tvjl,,L be -there. The beat vzor to protect this neighborhood would be to nLf ain a ncighborhood park, end the swamp there Will provide enough protection for -,he Single fstti.ly., It itbecomesobviousin15or20yearsthatthisneighborhood' will fade aut ycu coxal:.dconsidersomeotaerdevelopment "n, thiv areu, 4a.e 134,,ortance of the pare in
rel scion to preservation of the neighborhond as single family `Vas -then dis~ cu.s;)ed in a4it` n to the preserv.ation of the neighborhood of Kaxranauei is addition. S=e points made were that all people do not mind living next to hi&, density.. The aesti,on wtas bvOught up as t, w1bether we would affect property values,. OI ckert, stated that sor-ocu,e could make the claiaaz the coning depreci tte3 butItwouldnotbeanticipatedolie `ATas unaware of any cases wA axe ,why negl a BenceOrliabilityhasbeenincurredofthepartofthe "pillage.
er nyeiori hasactedingoodfaithtoprotecttheneighborhoodandthevalues . :.ors donhas caxzfollowedonthis,problem. rao %= then gave a history of the Kavanaugh additionfort1lebenefitOfthenewer00=dOsion members.
Com- 'C"hppmen asked ho;t some direction could be indicated to the developer., it wastendiscussedthatmeetingsbetweenttiedeveloper,, the neighborhood and the planercouldailsvixtealot4iftheproblems.
cam# Xroskin questioned the coMpca.;ition of the park,. Mr. Feiokert stated sena ofthesntge-tteduses - a i.njotrat ve OV-1ces, engineering o:'fi.ces, public woxks. libarery facilities, coMur itv center etc. A mostly adult oriented sport facilitJ.' it is not intended to servo as a neighborhood park. It, should serve: the entireMmuniity. Large parldng facil.i.ti.e% t.,an stated that it is part of thel:,aaea . paxk System ccutecting throw: the centrpj park. it is acttttally '7 milesoby
trail--. Discussion followed en ,the location in, rel.a,Gion to the shoppingc;Ater and the c;i+vic center and tine trannspc rtation and access to the ptsrkC.,
mite, oow4soion linute8 - pecial. iirtet ng c, l b page 3F
Therb followed more discussion as to the development of major shopping c;rnter • Miat
on ,zonU:g practices in general,. A disco sioY, on the development of al:ail cam;.
zaeroi,a:i, centers also tied isz to thetore gel ercl. discusai,on. It, was ,'ez,eraily
und&rstocd that you cannot solve ail the prOW,ems by a gide plan for aty area.
The para: •ate Y,tas `tl:en discussed With. some j omr en s. as follows,flt or park
lam, has b'O a suggested here., '',o 'cahat sxteUt can we, affor=t that park lana or
Maybe we shoul (• be thinking about ashen we comid not get the park land... if there
is aea 1=1 thea it is quite hard to, accept= any part of this. We are tryingtocomeupwithaparksystemthatwillgosomewhere. It is "'Innected. I think
that the civic center area is ;pretty Drell being tied down. 1 think that this will
re;;lll. ha ppene We need the park land to let the area east. 1 think the Council
will hold the line pretty hard in ox,der lo get the proper park or open space
befor=e t.%ey will allow any Of these other higher tykes of use to
l'l a:xcx Lerely stated •kjiat the actual limits of than pai•i:s were not to be, sho'AM
but t..• avt in , review of all the propert,;r we can ctapromise. Conn. "educe stated
that it. should tt understood that this park $ystm zs the very spine of the
pla-rmiiig study. -A- abirission followed on long xange, plamli.ng growing out of the
plan.
The high density that is included. car Medi cine Lake was discussed Nt i OF 55, 80TY11i
and s Agan read Com. Hafnel1s objections to the Legh density Qa + 1,1ll
On s l anti of ie1dicin L ani@, Com. KirchOff staated 'khat Ive FAST QF` 4q,
thou ht fihe pill age wanted to kt7v tie lower density a rcau ad the 1..*
and. tlxat it wars wrong to ha as Lig cierisity there. Cora, Pollock stir ted
that he did not necessarily see that .1
should al..'L be single fa iiy„ DiscussloA
followed about the l=ocation of the , O0 unites high density, A straw vote way
talo as to maintaining 'the plan as developed ,and it was favored. More discussion, r onfol.lt zIed ora tijfp density, medium density and si.*igle family", Various mearxs of
Ozp ssing mixed demsilty term nolol in the ordinance and on the rap vexes discussed.
WITI ?$l M C(b1 ,. rtMF%J1 a SBCONDED BY COM. i EDTKE. TO 1=0,44LMD 1 -MAT V.JB Ate; .CNG34;.i AMUM NOR;` 4 $li' iitil ON THE GULA PLAN AS MWIMP DMISI ~`_L'° BE Wv"Z' ON 11HE C IDEReiASSING114FAMILY. 1,10tion. passed with ejtl Cozmssioiler s; present voting evewiththeexcel;tio:1 of Cont. "Prekker who voted nay.
The medium derasatV along Oakview Lane was discussed,
Y1VT-TON BY 0014. HEDIRE To& THE MIW DENS1TY AUNG 0AK\?I t LANE VX WANGED CHEGiltB144TO . j a,,E r.fiPYLUy AkX I<iM; U.M DBINSXTY. MOND= BY COM. FOLLG A,
ANation passed %1, a six aye vote with Coin. Pretkor -voting as y.
Com. Karchoff started off by sugeet;ting that perh&,pa we co -.1d buff, SOUTH CP 55, NO)( ifj tip
e1i0it industrial oath the Moods that are there just north of the CO.. Thi. Vii, WE& OF 49h, sink le fawily on .oto. 6 ana put more s. zgle family these. Co"?. Kirchoff`
restated his, ideasl about the woods beiiig a; buffer and then w,aa a general
cl.a,rificstion of the area being discussed. Chmni told about visitino with someofthe,. peopT, n the ne:jbborhood.. They felt they were buying into a single familyarea. They could live with high deD7,itj or multiple homes.. They would sae nodevalu.e,ior, of their property. If we allov rezonang what assurrance would theyhavethatthosebuildingsvOIL.ct be set back? Discussion followed on the eaazarent
or buffering in; the area. Flamer herwlyr. .si,n ted the>l', there is one more point ww
al -I of the have access to No. b anal Troi ably there would' have to tae arosdway intherearwithinthestripofsingle ;far.ily.
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Planning Comms F.i n Kinure.s - 7130/65 -- Page 4.
MOTI NN to accept the revised zoning as subrwitLed by thee, titioner s` ect tr the
Compz:elae sive guide flan beim amended. Motion seconded and varied by 'five aye
vote, with Com . PollocIt abstaining.
Charon. Egan opened a Public ifearing at 101.12 p.m. to consider the. Pre -RE- JOHN' GULLIMSON
liminaty Plat for property as described in the Notice of Hearing J A G CONSTRtC'TI
and located in the 'vicinity, of directly South of Oak -rood Hills let GR:%N TREE SOUTU
and. 2nd, add ,tioa West of fty, 101 North of Svyders Lake and Fast of
ImpLriPl4 bills.. fe,, :Dick Knutson appeared for the ,petitioner.A!Q7IM 20PPROVED
A revi:;ad plan was presented for the Commissi(-.,nas reviewA dis-
cussiov, ensued on R-°2 zoning as suggested by the defelnoper. along
Hwy. 101, Planner BerSly presented a plan of the eutkre Soutl1west aa;ea
that tiould include the property which Mr. Gullickson, is developing.
discussion was had on the easement skid the tti.au ulcer piece of property next
to Lot 4 and the right of way.
No one appeared iia a pos t:i.on .
The Public; Hearing was closed at 10:31 p,m.
INi4MON to reco end acceptance of the rovi,sed Prelimin-,%ry Plat subject, to the
a ddiUtional hithwoty right of way dedication and also the sliver of land imiediatel.y
Eas-L of Lot 4, ` Block 2, being investigated for possible inclusion irk this plan.
Ilse v otion was seconded and passed by unaminous aye vote.
OLD DUSI +T: SS
Climn. lagan reopeted a Public Hearing to consider rezoning the TW RE )MLGARDE EWER.:
Corner of 1111wy. 55 and Fernbrook Zane the petitioner being Relgarde PUSES, Ria`7CNING
Enterprises. The hearing had been continued from thy: June 25:, 1869 M?OK-, C , OF 'MY,. 55
meeting, :sir..- Samuel S, x arfield of Bel ;aide Eaterprises appeared AND PERNBROOK W
with the Preliminary Plat. He request.,A advice as to what the next
step would be.. lie was told that ire s%ou.,- A get `a revised site play ACTION .1 DE EU FOR
to Planner 3erSly ;:t. Least one week prior to 't to August meeting. PUBLIC 11MURING
Ther: was ,a discussion of street's at this p`:Ant. No public hearing
has been held so a hearing will be stet up for the next: regular meeting
of the Planning t;ermission,
Mr. Robert Scholer appeared and presented a revised plat. Chmn. Rh; ROBERT SCHOLER 1
Egan read a memo directed to Coit. Pollock frorL Mr. Tont Norris PRE LL111VITAR1 PLAT j
of tie Pare Commission in which he stated that the Parlk Commission SMNY ACRES .3" DIV. l
ime unam inousl.y in favor of the proposal jai :b public access to
i"raftz Lake. ACTION: APPROVED
ISIOTION to recommend approval of the revised plat of July 30, 190, subject to ,the ;
addi,tri.,n of a 20 foot easement* on the westerly edge of Lot 6 to be included as part
of Outlot A. Motion seconded.: In the discussion of the Motion it was suggested that
a !lattint; arrangement~ be develop -,d in that portion of Outlot A, along, the adjacent
roadwa. s. Xotri.on passed by unao, ,nous aye vote.
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