HomeMy WebLinkAboutPark and Recreation Advisory Commission Minutes 06-07-1979AINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF
PLYMOUTHRKND RECREATION ADVISORY COMMISSION
June 7, 1979
The regular meeting of the Plymouth Parks and Recreation Advisory Commission
was called to order by Chairman Jar',es Rice at 7:40 p.m in the Council Chambers
of the City of Plymouth.
FEM-KERS PRESENT: Alan Brass, Barbara Edv:ards, Steve Chesebrough, James Guddal
1o;nne 'ohnson, .'ames Rice, Dorothy leery, Betty Threinen,,
Phyllis Parson and John Christian,
MEMSEPS ABSENT. Joho Mullan
AGENDA RE'ISIONS
Pd d, presentation by Mr. Sherm Goldberg and Mr. Mike Pflaum and insert before
ite A (1930-84 Parks Capital I^provetrent Program -input),
hitN1UTES
Commissioner Threinen moved and Comm issioner Terry seconded the t,o,tion to approve
the flay 3; 1979 minutes with one correction and that bein24 correction of the elate
from May 1 to , ay 3,; 1.979. Director Sorn responded to a question relating to the
1950 Trails Grant application.
oi-o,:i;ssioner Edwards moved and Coat Jissioner Terry ,secondedthe Potion to approve
the May 29, 1,979 Minutes with correction of "1^ice-Cha rperson" to "Vice -Chairperson".
Ffla:ur.lell Concept Presentation Shiarm Goldberg and 114,ike Pflaum.
Sherm Goldberg identified site locations of proposed Pflaumwell and Ban -Con
developments. The Ban -Con site is located immediately north of and contiguous to
the proposed Pflaumvell site.
Mr.. Col4barg noted that this geographic area under discussion for residential
development is also under consideration by the X.enncpin County Public 'torEs
Depart oent for a sanitary landfill.
I•Ir. roldrerg indicated that the PI'aining Ccl:",,nission aprrevPd the Pfia,`,..40II c;.:'"«c.tt
ccrrt.irs;errt upon the criteria that:
1. In an RPUD, Part-, and Oen Space must be ir co ,cr atr=d,;
Mr. Goldberg indicated that Ban -Con is proposing ponding acid dark lard in ti;at
development totaling; approxi r"ately 25 acres with pc"rd,rrq cO.,pr ising 13+ acres and
park land ccmprising 1.2+ acres. Approxi ately 51z of Furl -.1 nd ;icres acing
in the, Pf1ac==;cell RPD. Mr. Go1d4l; rg idcntifit d f,.=,' .,r:s of r z -ch site, as rcl,..t -d
to low areas hich aroas and w,,joded areas., s•,r rn111', 'C irC iCcted ithat three'?L
access points a;re pro,osed for tl e, 1, t4 _- r'. site ("' n-onj. C::arr s•iL lk,:I1
Ed,;ards questioned a, trail corridor locet,ion ,xii-r",iriy t,urth; in the arca of
6, lots 6-19 of the tan -Con, Inc. C'orncut. Tl,c ti -ail syw ,w a plan rpt, :cs a
col lec tor` eorri6r in this airva. ,r. r 01.' :,1"g iW' , t. +r,• t
could "-e rrsed for corridor t'0l;t`s :.r d bleat ' 11e ry .31 1t tics L in .e .. t
later and i}rat this is at ccnce[.tua.1 stage cnly and #ictails for trails ,*,jj',4.rk
facility will cv,%e at a later d..te.
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Mr. Goldberg responded to Director Born''s question of what the developers
desired as a result of this meeting by stating that, "they would like to have
a motion indicating that they have net, and that the Co,umpissi'on would like to
see a park in that area and as far as the two plats put together -this is w'itere
a park could ogre and that the Coalrnission would like this staff to study further
whether this park could be dc-xveloped in this area." A park contig;;; us to `ctrr si-s
would be on the lot line and that park location seems to fall into place.
Mr. Goldberg responded to Chairman Rice's, question regarding the status of the
Ban -Con Concept propesal by stating that. Gan, -Con would be going before the
Planning Coru-aission: at the next Planning Corntission neeting.
Coilib,issioner Edwards restated her concerns that the Collector Corridor should
extend completely through the proposed development. Director Born advised the
parks and Recreation Advisory Co -mission and the developers tr:at they are
dime -..sing croncepts, and don't, have to discuss d specific dttsign but Iist he
cognizant of the need to have the corridor.
Mr. Goldberg restated that they (developers) were looking at ane conceptual idea
for the location of the park and that details will have to be worked out.
Chairrdoan Rice asived how firm was Ban -Con in developing as the Parks, and Rr-creation
Advisory Co 1'.assion had first heard of this proposal today (677/79). Mr. Goldberg
indicated that they (Ban -Con) are intez-ested in having. model hr,•,es in the ground
Fall, 1979'
Mr. Goldberg indicated that the proposed Hennepin Cointy landfill continues to
crop up in the picture and that with Pfl au:-Ael l and Ban -Con gcing ahead with
development this year; this would darp,en landfill plans for this area.
Conmissioner, Guddal restated need for a collector corridor extending throughthedevelopment.
Cork„%ssioner ihreirten, inquired about the 5+ acre unbuildable site bet,,een areas
I and 3 of proposed Pflaur;-r,ell in Caki-roodkills area. ter. Goldberg -Indicated tr"at
the City might be able to negotiate for its acquisition.
Mir. Goldherg reStated that the proposed Pfl ;..',.ell site p,,;po z>s a ` ache
park Cor"tl uous to the 123-2 acre Ban -Con park.
Director Born asked if an aoalysis had been done en s ,<%.us of ,.et 1;:r^,' ;" ''js
are the w -et lands fil lable). What is the t ,pe as cl.:ssified 'y nt of
t a.tiral Resources? Mr. Goldberg indicated that he did i".:art to w if t',:.;y R Ind 'I n
evaluated by the of Natural Resources or he a.r; s of Elloi:"It ("I's.
According to ire ivl;.t r", Irr' ^^at n ( <t11 -Carl) `r%;c 5: °; =1t laltd 's e
for park purposes, Director LEorn cautioned the (':.::.fission that in Nor -t1 51t
Plyr;,Qu ;t 1n lei$, a riV4 o i:r bet .an filliing acrd duit,U 4 i"t r lei""lnitdS 1, r ; Ali; tt
permits :•rhich resulted in a coi.-plete shutdo,•«n requir-i ,g un ntire arca V. -i de
related actions study. Mr. Goldberg stated that Pflf.. .,ell 1--.s a:lr, y , ryethro,rgh tilos princess with the Corps of ngint~e1-s.
DirLclor B:-rn csr.ed 4;hat 1•ojld har;.en if Ea!`)-Clll LvAd rcpt cit. -,r nce?
lir reldbwrg indicated that these ouostir,ns ,°.'Iltj '•C' c:tS'•tl',d 4"`:foe t14 "e
N el irr-fiiary Plat is approved,
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Mike Pflaum indicated that Ban -Con would, be acting ianediately and would be
following shortly behind the Pflauriwell development,
Commissioner Gdddal "How will development affect the size and holding levelofTMrtleLake?" ter. Goldberg indicated this area would be interlinked with
storm water drainage requirements of the City and levels would be controlled
by the City.
Chairman Rice: "W'hat actions do developers desire the Perks and Recreation
Advisory Cot-rrrission to take?" Mr. Goldberg responded park is desirable in area
an.d that the concept stage this particular area as outlined in the Ban -Con: plan
and ti -ie Pflau:-,ell pl':.n seems to be an area t.:hich could be developed into an
active and passive parkland and that developers work further with staff and
Co-m.-i,issioners in developing the prelin`rinary plat and that the RPUD require::.ent
sh4oLing open space is satisfied by this type of arranoer-er.t preposed at this
concept stage
Chairr,an Rice r a de the oLservation that developers i%ant concept approval even
with several r,ajor questions unanswered.
Mr. Goldberg indicated that Pflaur-w:el l and San -Con are confident that the
proposed park site can be suitable and usable.
Mike Fflau stated -hat vkere *eke ?an -Con site interfaces wi th Prla..-,-,ell site
it would be a good place to consider a neighborhood park.
Director Born indicated that, the '-Wo develop,:.ents would i ip:xt upon 320 acres
with 611 s i ng l e family residences and 80 tc,,nhouses and would Generate
approximately 2,000 persons. Director &orn responded that both develQpr.ents are
in the same neighborhood with an estimated saturation of 3,000 people. Park
size acres range from 1.5 to 2.5 acres per thousand with 2.0 acres per thousand
as optinum for a Neighborhood Park. A neighborhood park in this area could
range from 4.5 acres to 7.5 acres with 6.0 acres being optirurn for neigh4or.,od
park r.tr-,: oses.
The follov; ,ng corr.rents were made by indivY ld.ual Cc, ,;siss icners
Guddal; Saturation of this neightt,orhood will require a neiclr:.Jr,:Iod trk or
Site Gi 4 '.11n' s: i. 4rre. ' so not t0 &vate fry•!'. z' •w `Iwil "
plan. Ap; rove conc%pt if c'ev+~ lopers 'provide land for a nei _.r.t
Ed;;ards: Get tr•eils and parks in.
Hanson; M-Airltc:nance access.. Concern for co-I-Otirent for Fu4ure acquisition.
Cikesebrough;; 1 s F,'n-Cr;n . , i o, .hly on Lh',ord? Shy , m: : os I -icy k. re 'jC'i i q crl i
s red <. `*ad.
Director Eeorn cc.-.!•rted ,y,,-ut the 4:15 p.m. 5/29/79 j: ,.,.;.i? r:all fcom, Inr.,
Qthat 'Lhe City has cori'e'- ondiailce fl'i'm Er n -Coil 't ttr ii`tC3 ,Nel• Ci " i t' :!f iQ
the & 1c :.nt.
k., r'4 . d I` .,ld lr:'{e to carr l :t:r111'4ll;?il: A j`or'k is desirable for this rl€:l l'``. 'x' 4 "r"` r .` ' .
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act -es c,.:,rd by 'Nr. %aehler for cCrr,.lSitl il 4o c').f ri j l -k fo Gacriess clad
Quo st1G'RS rationale fol' 25/1 rJ^` ,-'.k l:;- :lrt 9Vi''i llrYe.
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DRAG Mti notes
June: 7, 1979
Johnson; Interplay by developer and City if developer knows what City wants.
Terry: Concept, as layed out is attractive and that developer portray accurate
concept/use of site at front end`.
Brass: A Tark is necessary based -r,,,-n.r^Ful'ations. Interesting concept with
two developers Site looks OK assu;ing trrails and, access is accepta51e
and land is acceptable.
Christian:: !,aximize dedication and fee: title omiership.
Fdti aids 6e careful not to get parks landlocked. Soule part of a park sl, DDild be
open to a road so that a person can see into park.
Rice: Cezni ss ioners appear to be saying that if r,e have this 600 - 700
with arproxi,ately 2,000 people and recognizing ;...ere the prc,scsed sib's
Fflaum"•;ell and Ban -Con) sit, it would seem proper to have a neighbor;".od
park in this area. Therefore, that part of the concept that says approxi-
mately
p roximately12? acres in tai's kind of configuration in the concept stage seems
reasonably fair to the Commission and that there are a number of unans,,ered
questions or "hooks" or "ti -.,hat if's" which need to be taken into consideration
and concerns with coordinated plan betv.- en developers and er:bodies a park
located bets een the two developments and the trails as ker Trai 1 System Plan
is a ria or anar.-,w..red question and needs to be resolved as a part of this
concept and access to site needs to be more than just 3 -feet wide and
number of usable and quality of acres is unknown as Cotimi.ission has not had
the opportunity for Staff assessment,
Sherm Goldberg related Mr. flans Hagen's park development letter of May 30, 1579.
Mr. Goldberg indicated a time line whereby work would commence by the Fall, 1579..
Staff identified risks if development concept should fall apart:
1. Identifying adequate usable/suitable land.,
2. Approve concept t,ith conditions for prelit-oinary approval
3. Develop rient of parks at front end without citizen i r put is a rr.-, jor
de;:arture "From the planning process.
Co.:"tissioners Threincen & Brass: St)rpor't front t`nd cC'wcpt.
Staff - are you accepting ponding for parks dedication:. Poiidtng will not be
considered for parks dedication. Staff respe'n1ed to definition and uses of 4Q p--, al
neighborhood park.
Choi r mean Rice:, Concern 1,"1 Il vo-t—1 iig on a conci:r t 1-,3ren tl-,e Warks and
Advisory Co".mission haven't had an c-,.i;ortunity to ; : rat -,-i :,h °an=Ccn i,, ":p le and,
and opportunity to view this for only 2 hours and r-dhile it looks good, there still
are a lot of questions. that Cor,,:tiss.ioi,c,t s ,ar to -.,ant io use this
iss:ie to r-odify entire park syf tern plan.
Ci ri,ctor Forn S%. ---ted t'lat the Parks and P,.o,"F .' .. " ',i . , r c' ,i s i ctn wr `crl d
conrc-rn itself k,lth' adequate usable/suit::tile 1;-nd i.•i-cd adopted Stull Fy%It n
plans &nd guidelfir"es,
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MOTION by Commissioner Threinen, secondedby Commissioner Chesebrough that the.
Parks and Recreation Advisory Commission show support for the concept of the
approximately 12-1., acre park between Pflaur,Aell and. aan-Con, Inc. developments:
Such land be in support of;
That the park have adequate usable acres.
2. That it be in accordance with the adopted Plymouth Trail System Plan..
3. That it haveadeuuate frontage on a road toincludeesy access and
high public visibility.
4. Thatthe tvm. developers provide the land and preliminary developaient
in a Icoordinated way.
MOTION to amend the rsai,r motion by Commissioner Chesebrough, seconded by
Commissioner Terry that the motion read::
That the parks and Recreation Adviso:y Commission show support,` for the co,.,icept
o.f the approximately ?214 acme park between rflaimwell and Ban -Con, I'nc.
dei+eloiah,ents. Such approval be contingent upon the following conditions:
1. That the park have adequate usable acres.
2. That it be "n accordance with the adopted rhetrailSystemPlan.,
3. That it have adequate frontage on a road to include easy access
and high public visibility.
4. That the two developers provide; the land and preliminary developrnient
in a coordinated way.
MOTION to ar.end carried,
Main Motion carried.
Chairran Rice directed that the minutes reflect areas of interest:
1. 25;./50." de<_lo;--ent guideline.
2. Citi2en input for ;'eig :_,orhood Parks Ci4'elrr"
3. .rront end dcvelrr.nt of park sites.
Ch.? irr•n rlCe r'c sr,l Cid Staff +ttidl? r.ce on i't;.%best to d;4t'Q%Ch: a r, --v , iof t', J L
au4Ve, topics.
A: 1980-85 Parks C.I.P. It ut
Develop FerrlL•r'ook L n4 playfield
be,,
ir;
1:p play f geld
Plevelcp Ply, otfth Jon-lor High School ial,'yfield
cquire laird in Zachary t ane area
A squire. land in area of new Prudential wilding
Develop LaCo.,ate Crt:rn
K&aAiler ; i -eons-- ty near Ean-Con park site
St_ff e:'rlained prior'ity idr_nti-ficati'on for trails, kc.., anitY pal—h's,,r€ ,l .y
play itlds and tailks as related 10 tic i"1vr [It ci, ti ". Jt titC'' Ci ;y.
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B.. Recreation Program Input - Conimissicners requested Staff to explore the
following program areas.
1 ladies power volleyball
2 Oldtime and modern dance
3. Neighborhood playgrounds
C. Public Information plan - review, ano discuss on dune 20, 19 79 wi 4 re i s i vns
to Staff report and present to Council'*
0, Suhut', an Community Services program proposals - Sta;'f reviewed the rekort
dealing with tSuburban Conomn Red andt"
Senior Citizen's program and. eligibility for funding based upon oc-neral criteria.
E. t'per~at.onal budgets - Staff distrl`,utod and discussed the 3.• 979 ,• t.,.-.,.
vj,1 ets -For Parts and Recreation, G arks ".,it1t R tw e, p+>ctµ'a.ion and,
tai scase Control
New Business
Staff reminded the Parks and: Recreation Advisory Cormission of the dune 20, 1979
Special P';;eting and topics to he discusseL
Chaim.an Rice reviewed upcoming meeting schedaled for ,lune 14z 1919 at 7:0 a.m.
in the C enter With representatives from the athletic Associations, tete also
reviewed meeting held in May with the st*--e representatives who expressed -heir
interest in conducting a, survey of their me ,_.:r°strip,
Staff announced a greeting for Jane 12, 1979 at S.,00 p.m. at the Medicine late
City Hall to discuss trails and developLtent around the lake.
Being no further business, taeetinq adjourned, at 10.35 p.m.
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