HomeMy WebLinkAboutPark and Recreation Advisory Commission Minutes 11-04-1982Minutes of the Plymouth Park and Recreation Advisory Commission November Meeting
November 4, 1982, 7:30 p.m.
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Present: Chairman Rice, Commissioners ChesebroughEdwards, Threinen, Mullan
and Berg; Planning Commissioner Magnus; staff members Blank and
Helgeson; John Uban of Howard Dahlgren & Associates and Neil Polstein,
attorney for Charles Belgarde
Absent: Commissioner Dvorak
1. CALL TO 'ORDER
ChWman. Rice called the November meeting of the Plymouth Park and Recreation
Advisory Commission to order at 7:39 p.m. on November 4 in the Plymouth City
Center Council Chambers.
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Commissioner'Chesebrough moved and Commissioner Berg seconded a motion to
approve the October minutes. The motion carried with all ayes.
3. VISITOR PRESENTATIONS
a, Athletic Associations. None were present at this meeting
b. Mary Patterson and Rick Busch. Neither one was present at this meeting,
but Director Blank asked which commissioners would volunteer to be on
Mary's programming committee. Commissioners Threi_nen and Edwards
volunteered.
c. Others. Their presentations will be covered later in the minutes.
4. REPORT ON PAST COUNCIL ACTION
Director Blank reported that at their October 18 meeting, the Council adopted
the name change of Plymouth Creek Playfield, formerly known as Fernbrook,
and at their October 25 meeting, endorsed PRAC's recommendation to encourage
the continued funding of the LCMR grants program.
5. UNFINISHED BUSINESS
c_. Plymouth Creek Estates-Plyinouth Creek City Park. Director Blank showed
several maps of Plymouth Creek Estates to the commissioners and discussed
the petitioner's proposal to have the land reguided. Director Blank
reviewed his memo dated November 4 stating that this parcel is approximately
78 acres in size and that at one time, approximately 1971, it was proposed
to be reguided and that 40 acres were to be deeded to the City for park
purposes_. For a variety of reasons, the rezoning was never done, nor was
any property ever deeded to the City. New development plans have now
been prepared and proposed to the City, again asking for reguiding.
Director Blank is recommending that reguiding of the land zoned public/
semi' -public not be done at this time because of the affect it would have
on the proposed Plymouth Creek City Park. He is also recommending that
the developer work with the City and PRAC on laying out the exact size
and shape of the park, and then present new concept plans reguiding that
land not incorporated in the park Park dedication fees should be reviewed
and based on the existing densities at fox Meadows: I, as well as densities
proposed when the nets concept plan is submitted. Any additional land needed
after park dedication ordinances have been met should be purchased from the
developer.
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John Uban of Howard Dahlgren & Associates stated to PRAC that the land-
owner/petitioner, Charles Belgarde, is very willing to negotiate with
the City regarding his land, but that he is anxious to move ahead with
his proposal as soon as possible. Mr. Belgarde'.3 attorney, Neil Polstein,
reiterated the need to move as quickly as possible because of the expense
to Mr. Belgarde to continue holding this land Director Blank, in response
to a question from Commissioner Berg regarding when the City wanted to
develop this park, stated that money was available in the CIP to begin
developing the neighborhood:Fortion of the park in 1983. He emphasized
that this park is the most important one in the Comprehensive Park System
Plan and that it is number one in priority in his opinion in terms of
any action being taken. He further stated that between now and December
2, staff could work with Mr. Uban and Mr. Belgarde in developing a new
concept plan.
COMMISSIONER CHESEBROUGK MOVED AND COMMISSIONER BERG SECONDED A MOTION
TO SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AS OUTLINED IN DIRECTOR BLANK'S MEMO'
DATED NOVEMBER 4, 1982, AND TO REPORT BACK C`1 DECEMBER 2 ANY NEW CONCEPT
PLANS ALONG WITH PROPOSED FINANCING OF THIS PROJECT. The motion carried
with all ayes,
a., Negotiations with St. Mary's Church -Update. Director Blank met with the
board on October 19 and presented the City's proposal. They are in the
process of a large fund-raising effort at this time, so no decisions will
be made on this subject for several weeks.
b. 1983 LAWCON/LCMR Grant Applicatioigz pdate. No problems have been reported
with our proposal; the LCMR committee should be addressing it in December.
d. 1982`83 Winter Ice Rink Locations. Director Blank indicated that we have
received a request to rna tinamYakviewPondthisyear. He also stated
that he and Mark Peterson have agreed to put Timber Shores back on the
list of rinks to maintain, so we have a total of 34 shuts of ice, which
is the same as last year. Mark Peterson had prepared a cost sheet
outlining the expenses involved in maintaining our rinks, which Director
Blank seared with the Commission.
COMMISSIONER THREINEN MOVED AND COMMISSIONER CHESEBROUGH SECONDED A
MOTION TO ENDORSE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO MAINTAIN 34 SHEETS OF ICE
AND TO USE THIS YEAR AS A STUDY PERIOD OF 'THE: 34 RINKS WE ARE CURRENTLY
MAINTAINING IN ORDER TO 'MAKE POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE FUTURE. The
motion carried with all ayes.
e. General Discussion on Future Direction of PRAC. It was decided that a
special meeting should be held to discuss this item. January 20th was
chosen as a ''sandwich" meeting. Director Blank and Chairman Rice will
get together and come up with an agenda.
f. Medicine Lake Tisk Force -Update. Director Blank has begun receiving
letters from different organizations naming their representatives who
will serve on this task force. The first meeting will probably take
place in December.
g. Joint Meeting with Athletic Associations. We have not received any
feedback. from: the associations on the letter we sent inviting them
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to attend the PRAC meeting on December 2. We will contact them all by
phone prior to the meeting to encourage their attendance and/or comments..
The meeting will be a "round -gable discussion in the Council conference
room beginning at 7:00 p.m.
h. Review Draft of Cit Goals and Objectives. Director Blank handed out
copies o the drat he and Blair Tremere prepared. The Commission
reviewed the draft and made suggestions for deletions, revisions and
additions.
6, NEW BUSrNESS
a. New Plats. None.
7. COMMISSION PRESENTATION.
The MRPA annual conference is scheduled for November 17, 18 and 19. Any
commissioner wishing to attend should inform staff and reser,r,ati'ons will
be made for you.
8. STAFF COMMUNICATION
Director Blank shared with the Commissit)n some of his thoughts on the
National Recreation and Park Association Conference he attended in
Kentucky during the latter part of October. There were many excellent
speakers on very timely topics. One such topic had to do with youth
athletics, and Director Blank ordered a copy of that speech which he
will share with any interested commissioners..
The next meeting is scheduled for December 2, to which youth athletic
associations have been invited; it will begin at 7:00 p.m. with a
round -table discussion in the council conference room. Members of the
Mayor's Task Force will be invited to attend this meeting.
9. ADJOURNMENT
The meeting adjourned at 9:51 p.m.
Minutes of the Plymouth Park, and Recreation Advisory Commission `December Meeting
December 2, 1982, 8:40 p.m.
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Present; Commissioners Chesebrough, Edwards, Mullan, Dvorak and Berg; staff
members Blank, Busch,, Nelgeson and Peterson; Planning Commissioner
Magnus; Council member Moen
Absent:: Chairman Rice, Commissioner Threinen
1. CALL TO ORDER
Commissioner Edwards called the meeting to order at 8;40 p.m. in the
Plymouth City Center Council Conference Room.
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
The minutes of the November meeting were approved as read with the following
correction by Commissioner Chesebrough the word "affect" in Item 5. c.
should have been "effect."
3. VISITOR PRESENTATIONS
a. Athletic Association Representatives. Immediately preceding this meeting
two assofatfons were represented and were present to discuss the Mayor's
Task Force on Park and Recreation Program Financing. Attending were
Pepper Asche, 284 Girls Baseball/Softball; Tom Witchger, Wayzata Youth
Hockey; and Gary Gibbons, Wayzata. Youth Hockey.
b. Rick Busch. Rick handed out copies of, -a book titled, "Parents, Coaches,
Kids. 5 -Youth Sports." He asked the commissioners to study it carefully
because he would like their endorsement of it at the January meeting.
c. Others. None.
4. REPORT ON PAST COUNCIL ACTION
Director Blank had nothing to report on this item.
5. UNFINISHED BUSINESS
a. St. Mary's Update. There were no new developments on tris issue.
b. LAWCON Update. Director Blank indicated that our grant may be in trouble
5ecause of the state's financial situation at this time.
c, Plymouth Creek Estates Update. Director Blank reported that several meetings
have been heid between staff and Mr. Belgarde's representatives and that the
two groups are coming closer to reaching an agreement on the size and shape
of the area proposed for Plymouth Creek City Park.
6. NEW BUSINESS
a. Review 1982 Annual Re ort Format. It is staff's goal to have the 1982
Annual Report ready for presentation to the Council by March, 1983.
Commissioners with comments should send them to Eric or Nancy as soon as
possible.
b. New Plats. There were no new plats.
c. Amendment to Comprehensive Trail Plan. Director Blank explained several
changes to the Comprehensive Trail Plan he is recommending be endorsed
including changing tai nevi ew Lane from a Class I to a Class III trail, adding
a Class I trail elong new County Road 61 from 45th Avenue to County Road 10
and eliminating a Class II trail along I-494 frontage road between 49th