HomeMy WebLinkAboutPark and Recreation Advisory Commission Packet 12-08-1981Regular Meting of' the Plymouth Park and Recreation Advisory Commission
December 8, 1982
7.30p.m.
AGENDA
1. Call to Order
2. Approval of Minutes
3. Visitor Presentations
a. Athletic Associations
b. Mary Patterson and Rick Busch
c. Others
4. Report on Past Council' Action
a. Approved Contract with Brauer for Concept Plans of Three City Parks
5. Unfinished Business
a;.. Comprehensive Park System Plan Review of Comments Made at Public
Hearing Review of Chapter 6
b. Playfie;ld Update
c. Neighborhood' Parks Update
d. East Beach Update
e. Elm Creek Golf Course Update:
f.
6. New Business
a. New Plats
b. 1981 Annual Report
7. Commission Presentation
8. Staff Communications
9. Adjournment
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Regular meeting of the Plymouth Park and Recreation Advisory Commission
Novenber 5 1981
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Presents Chairman Rice, Cmudssioners Chesebrough, Edwards, Threinen,
Mullan, Dvorak and Berg
Staff ?'resent: Eric Blank, Rick. Busch, Mazy Patterson and. Nancy Helgeson
others Presents Paul Pjare and John.Worrall, Brauer and Associates;
and residents interested in the Ccuprehensive System
Park Plan
1., CALL TO ORDER,
Chairman Rice. called the meeting to order at 7:35 p.m. in the Plymouth
City Center' Council (hammers
2. APP-BOVAL OF MMMES
Connissioner Chesebrougr,: mor. ed and Cannissic ner Threi.nen seconded a motion,
to approve the minutes of October 8, 1981. C:ortnissioner Chesebrough pointed
out that although the minutes reflected that he had been pre -registered
to attend the NIWA,Cbnferenee, he was unable to go. The motion carried
with all ayes.
3. VISI70R PRESENTATIONS
a. Athletic Association Representatives. This group had no one present at
this meeting.
b. Rick Busch and Maw Patterson. Maty gave a report on the fall enrollments
or the years 1980 and IL981which showed that adult participation was up
mile youth enrollment was down. She stated that the winter brochure
was almost amplete and ready for the printer to pack up. rJur target
date for home distribution is December 1.
Rick shared copies of a memo with the commissioners that he had prepared
showing comparisons in enrollments on a quarterly basis for the years
1979-1981.
9. MPORT ON PAST COUNCIL ACTION
Director Blank had nothing to report on at this. time.
5. PUBLIC HEAMG-COMPREE04SIVE PARK. SYSTEM PLAN
Director Blank read the official hearing notice as it appeared in the
New -Hope Plymouth Post on October 28, 1981. He discussed the purpose
of the plan as it meshes with the overall City Comprehensive Plan,
and he indicated that letters inviting various groups and landowners
to the hearing had been mailed in -mid October. He then introduced
John Worrall of Brauer and Associates who explained how the Ccuprehensive
Park System Plan had. been designed, and. he also described vwo maps
which were on display that identified all the Proposed park sites
and trails as well as those parks which were already in existence.
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amirnm James Rice spaded the public hearing at 7:45 p.m. in the Plymouth City
Canter ommcil aumbesss . ' ommnta were meld 0 by the following people;
1. stism ngcw, Attonw, from. !P i tt West &. Diessner..:
lb. was TPFWV, g Aniold Palmer Bega=n 9- the Poimerleau Lake site.
Her quest ams included: 1) my waa this site selected over alternative sites?'
2) Not was the time lure: for acquisition? 3) slut is the method of
acquisition? 4) *%at are, the funding Methods for aoquisition?
2. iiae W o;7MSRZ 5415 Pineview Lane.
He was c0XV=Wd with Wr-6 west of Bass Lake. His property is for sale,
and he worders if he can stili go ahead and :sell now that it; has been identified
as a possible park. If he can't sell, who will pay the taxes during the time
that it's held up? HeO'es boned the pcesibility of the City developing some-
thing along Bass Lake, ir;stead.
3. DCN MMNQ, 2425 Merrimac Lane.
iWr- = was ooneerm w1rW-the Proposed trail along Hlwy 101 and. Co Rd, 6. Be
doesn't. feel that we needthis trail since there is cot -gently a trail located near
this intersection. He wanders if any trails. are needed throughout the entire City? -
He asked what happens to laniowners; whose property is selected for a park and they
wish to sell this property, and how will the land be acquired?
4. JERRY BEE1RM, 5750 Juneau Lame.
Mr. Behrens owns a 0 -acre paroel adjoining Mr. Palmer's property on Pomerleau
Iake. Seven acres of this property is designated for park land. He wonders
if this will prevent him term developing this land. He was also ooncerned.
about our map showing a regional trail crossing his property, property he
claims he hasn't sold to Hennepin Comity yet. Staff will double check with
Hennepin County to determine if they still intend' to mute through Mr. Behrens'
property. He also asked' how the land would be acquired, and if the purchase
prioe would be determined now or at the time of actual acquisition?
5. JIM GUMAL, 4465 Vicksb Lane.
As a. representative of Troy nand Co., Mr. Guddal stated that the City Council
had given, them approval to develop 12, five -acre plots on their property in
May 1980, Mr. Guddal indicated that this property has covenants restricting
the type of development on it at this time, but that the land is for sale if the
City is really interested in purchasing it. Hebelievies. that it is not the most
suitable area for a neighborhood park because it has several. low areas. As a former
PMC member, Mr. Guddal. suggested that in the future, when PRAC designs plans such
as this one, that they first meet with any landowners who will be affected before
putting anything in print
6. BRUCE BMTJISTER, 5330 yicksb Lane.
Mr. BanisterTe-els that it is unfair to property owners to hold up latid
deve opment because of proposed paries. His opinion is that the Medicine
Lake Regional Park will be large enough to support the leisure time needs.
of most of Plymouth and that any development of Pamrleau Lake will only
attract Maple Grove residents.
7 MARY ALICE WITCHGER, 16531 26th Ave N.
Ms Witchger lives in the Maple Dell area and she indicated that she is pleased
vl.th the Omprehensive Park plan, specifically thatportion of the, plan that
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Nowber 5, 1981
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pzemvtw the woods on the northwest corner of the Minneapolis Dairy Farm property
located between. Dunikirk, and Vicksburg Lanes.
8. SIS' Bros.
Mr. Gbldbexg indi6atedthat an NUUNad been in 1975 for the property
adjacent to new County Road 61 north of Highway 55, and there was no indication
of, park need given by the Council at that. time. Lundgren. Bros. also subutitted ,.
a letter objecting to the acquiring of this laud, which will be included in
the minutes,
9. STV& WELDt 5605 Juneau Lane.
Mr. Weld is' conoern" wx the. Pam -rleau Lake ` site and how the City proposes
to gain access to this area? He asked what fea ores/advantages this site
had over others and what criteria was used in determining this; site's suitability
as a park? At what paint would a road be .installed leading to this area?
10. xI09M DEZ>E. 4525 Vicksb Lane.
Nr. Dezie s the owner of theHo lyd ue Golf Course and the developer of a
piece: of property located between Vicksburg and Hollydale. He indicated
that he had appeared before the Planning Comrission a year ago with plans
showing a park on this property and was told. to change his plans and delete
the parry. Now that, he's confronted by a park again, he's wandering why?
11. RNKID RF.IMR, 4425 Larch Lane.
Mr. Aeiaier owns the property just west of Larch Lane and east Of. West
Medi.ctyu Lake Blvd., which surrounds a pond.. Mr. Reimer's primary concern
is if—,he City will pay a fair market price for this land, and how will
theacquisition take place?
12. O.N. HUD KOFSMD, 1400 West Medicine Lake Dr.
He is intcrested in the West Medicine Lake Park and indicated that he would
prefer to develop the south 10 -acre tract rather than give it up as park
land. He indicated that he thinks it As undesirable land for park purposes.
13. FLDFa4m LARsoN, 2930 Medicine Rid22 Road.
Mrs. Larscn lives next to East Medicine Lake beach. Her concern was with the
regional trail on the east side. of the lake. She is wondering at what time
the City will deedover property to Hennepin County for the develgment of
the trail system? She also had some concern regarding the construction of
East Beach.
14. HUAW ILNSDiAL, 5655 Juneau Lane.
He is wncp.n1ed wiER the Pawbeau Lake site and the City holding up land
owne s' plans to develop. He also didn't understand the reasoning behind
putting three different types of parks, i.e.., playfield, neighborhood park,
commaity park, side by side as it appears to be on the maps.. He cmeented
that nature lovers might be annoyed by the noise of softball games while
they're out trying to enjoy a canoe ride.
Chairman Rce closed the public hearing at 9:50 p.m.
0244MICINER OWEEFCM MNW AND OMMSSIGNER MMM SECIOWED A, MOTIONTO
VME ACTICN• 7HE OOMFEW26IVE1 1EMy : 3t'METING
ALLCWIM TIME FOR SZVT AND BRAUER 70 R1ESEAFCH SCMEOF I COMMENTS AND
CONCEFM • •E } 71 1 THE: E•UM. THE, MYrICN CARRIED W= ALL AYES
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a. Playfield te. Director Blank gave a very brief report on the
progress of ( playfields, indicating that Ridgemo t was finally
omplete. The irrigation system is in now at Zachary Park and
plans 'am to wave the parking lot sometime next week,
b. Neighiaorhood Parks Ltpdaite 7he only major item left to be installed
at Tifter Shams Pais the floating boardwalk. Wbrk at all three
park sites,is progressing' well, however, the animal swim at each
park are being replaced. Director Blank is zeaeivng very positive
ooerermtsa from residents as he tours these sites during; the week.
c. Eastbeach te. 'Themajority of the curb and gutter is in,
and the posts along tit Medicine Lake Blvd. are being replaced.
d. Elm C wk Golf Course Update: Director Blark had nothing neva to
rtan this item T'_financial records have bew turned over
to the City firm—ce director for his review.
T. ISI BusmmS
a. New Plats;. Hone.
b. Site Plans for Pl%m Creek, Parkers Dace and West Medicine Take Parks.
In ameitea October ,?3t 1981, Director BlWR iecoarends the retenfixon
of Brauer and .Associates to develop site plans; for the three parks
mentioned, above, He has been vert' pleased with the outstanding job
they did on the Ooetprehensive. Park System Plan and thein ins_ mate
knowledge of this plan, as well as their ability to r, in on
schedule and within the budget.
COMKQSSICNER. AND C c#4a aSjaaR TiiV1NBN SE001M.ED A,
M=N TO ADOPT DIMCM SLAW'S t ATICN AS SET FOMH IN HIS
MEMS+ DATED WMBFR 23, 1581. THE MDTLCJNCARKEA WFTH FIVE AMh
Cts+ assia&R DVORAK ABSTAINED, AAD COWMIONER MUGLA V07M MAY.
c. Dem1ber Meeting Date. Due to conflicts en, the 3rd and 10th,, it was
R-M that, Dwober l s meeting would be held on the 8th.
dy winter Skating Rinks-Locaations Co mtissioner Mullan indicated that there
is a n i a skating rim near medicine Lake,, particularly on the west
aside. Director Blank said that one would be maintained in the old parkins,
lot at Wwt Medicine Lake perk. Because of. problems with residents, the.
City will not asintain a rink on Bass Lake this year. a m issioner
Dycrak asked staff to bads into the possibility of maintaning a-me type
of rink in; northeast Plymouth.
5.. COMMISSION PI I ATItxI
ow roan Rios am x,rmd that a task force is being fosaned that will stud,
the issue of forrndng a common, athletic association in Plymouth. CWTnissioner
r Dvorak will chair this task force, which will, exu rim the advantagesand
disea,1vantagss of having one common athletic association.
5 STAT 00M'1WCATICN
the Park and Facmtion Department is swcmoring a, Holiday Hues Decorating
aontest. Details about the oontest will I* in the winter issue of P' ynxxth
on Parade and a letter inviting- residents to participate will be: se,
to all homeowner asaociatians.
10. ADIOURMNf
A, motion to adjourn.wae mode at 11:05 p.m. by Jahn Mullan, and seconded, by
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October 26, 1981,
City of Plymouth
Park Department - Land Acquisitions
3400 Plymouth Boulevard
Plymouth, MN 55447
Re P.I.D. 26 118-22-,320001
Dear Sir
This office represents Swen and Gertrude Warnes, the
fee. owners of approximately 10 acres of undeveloped land described
Vy the above "P.I.D.«
The Jarnes: have no objection to they taking of this land for park
purposes, buthave asked us to atmist. them in obtaining the full
market.vallae thereof in the event the City decides to proceed
with a park.
Please place this Setter in the appropriate file for your records,
and place us on. the "Interested Parties" mailing list so that we
may be notified of future meetings and events affecting our clients'
property.
Very tr 1y OUV,5,
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Mark C. McCullo
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cc: Swen and Gertrude Jarnes
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935 EAST WAYZATA BOULEVARD * WAYZATA, MINNESOTA 6$391 i (612) 473-1231
October 26, 1981'
Mr, Eric Blank
Director of Parks a Recreation
City of Plymouth
3400 Plymouth Blvd
Plymouth, MN 55441
Re.. Comprehensive Park System -Pian
Dear Eric:
Sherman Goldberg of our office attended the October 20. 1981informal
meeting at which time, the comprehensive park system plan was reviewed.
The proposed plan includes a portion of the following panel;
22-118-22-14-0003.
This meeting was the first that we have heard about any park develop-
ment on our land and therefore, are very upset that we were not notified
prior to the plan being prepared. We. do, not understand whey a. neighbor-
hood park is needed in the area since there is a regional park..
Further, this will be the stcond park development on property that we
d a developingoin n the area ; the first beingn on, the wrest side ofown: an re p g i 9
Zachary, Lane, in the Ni.ssion Hills Park 4th development area
We strongly object to a portion of our property being labeled "park
land" because the connotrtion will severely hinder the marketability
of the parcel. Once the portion of the parcel is designated as park
land it becomes more difficult to gain approval for any type of
deveiopmen.t unless the City is ready to purchase the land at this time..
If the City Council approves the plan as proposed, we will have to take
the appropriate legal steps deem.d necessary.
We would' request that this letter be entered into the November 5 1981
Park and Recreation Advisory Commission public hearing on the proposed
park system plan.
Since
Peter4Pflaum cc: Dave Davenport, Mayor
President Jim iiillis,v City Manager
Harry Jensen
PP/js; Gene.Holderntss
CITE' CSF PLYKIOUTH
3400 PLYMOUTH BLVD,, PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA 55441
TELEPHONE (612) 559-2800
MENTO
DATE: December 2, 198
TO PRAG
FROM: Eric Blank
St)BJECT; Chapter 6 - Park System Plan
Please review Chapter 6 of the Park System Plan. John Worral has
indicated to me that Steve Chesebr-ough is the only PRAO member who has
sent him any comments, if you can bring written comments to Tuesday's
meeting, it will save time for everyone.. We should have this last
chapter completed in time to submit it along with the rest of the
plan to the City Council on December 2l
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CITY OF PILYMOUTIH
3400 PLYMOUTH ELVD„ PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA 55441
TELEPHONE (512) 555-2800
MEMO
DATE* December 2, 1981
TOzz PRBC
PRoM, Eric Blank
SUBJECT: Annual Report
Please review your copy of the 1980 annual report. eareeyabout to
begin working on the 1981 report and. Y would a ur
suggestions for changes, We had talked one time of,adding
ta
chapter
dealing with suggested goals for the following year.
you can think of one or two general goals to be accomplished dum',-_
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3400 PLYMOUTH BLVD,, PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA $5441
TELEPHONE (512) 559-280(}
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FROW Mary Patterson
SUBJECT: Enrollment Statistics
1981 Fall Recreation Class Enrollment
YOUTH # of Classes Enrollment
Baton _._
Ballet 6 Tap & 61
Breakfast with Santa; 1 70 (currently)
Dancel i.ne 1 17
Firearm Safety 4 120
Gymnastics 5 87
Holiday Downhill Ski Lessons 1. 48 (currently)
Norse Care & Riding Lessons 1 17'
Teeny Tumblers 4 48
American karate: 2 33
ADULTS
era c Dance 3
Bod' Squad 2
Jazzercise 6
Plymouth Bridge Club: 1
Beginning Racquetball 4
Getaway Trips 3
Pre -Ski Kickoff 1
CANCELLED PROGRAMS-YOUTH
aton _ _ 3
Tap & Ballet 1
CANCELLED PROGRAMS` -ADULTS
a ; et- ap- axz. 1
Intermediate Racquetball 2
1980-81 Class Comoarison for Fall Quar,
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Classes enrollment Classes enrol lment
Youth Youth "`'f. 6
Adult is ` 229 Adul 20 517
a of Non -Plymouth Residents in Program Other Program Involvement
To—uth Classes _ 34 Adaptive ecreation
Adult Classes = 116 Seniors
Fami ly Fare
CITY OF PLYMOUTH
3400 PLYMOUTH BLVD„ PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA 65441
TELEPHONE (612) $59-2800
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SUBJEC'
TT. Enrollment Statistics
1981 Fall Recreation Class Enrollment
YOUTH of Classes Enrollment
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Danceline. 1 17
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Gymnas ti cs 6 87
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American Karate 2 33
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CANCELLED PROGRAMS -,YOUTH
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CANCELLED PROGRAMS -ADULTS
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Intermediate Racquetball 2
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198 1981
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October 26, 1981
City of Plymouth
Park Department - Land A,cyuisitions
3400 Plymouth Boulevard
Plymouth,. MN 55447'
Rez P.I.D. 26 118-22-32000
Dear Sir
This office represents. Swen and. Gertrude. Jarnes, the
i;ee owners of approximately 10 acres of undeveloped land described
y the above "P.I.D."
The;Jarnes have no objection to the taking of this land for park
purposes # but have asked us to assist thzm in obtaining the full
market value thereof in the event the City decides to proceed
with a park.
Plec= , place this letter in the appropriate file for your records:,
an4' olace- us on the *'Interested Parties" mailing list so that we
be notified of future meetings and events affecting our clients'
p iperty
very tr ly you
Mark C. McCu110
MGM,: sly Q''`
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cc Swet and Gertrude JaMes
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935 EAST WAYZATA BOULEVARD • WAYZATA, MINNESOTA 55391. • (612) 473-1231
October 28, 1481
Mr. Eric Blank
Director of Parks a Recreation
City of Plymouth
3400 Plymouth Blvd.;
Plymouth, MN 55441:
Re, Comprehensive Park System Plat
Dear Eric;
Sherman Goldberg of our office attended the October 2.0, 1981 informal
meeting at which time the comprehensive park system plan was reviewed.,
The proposed plan includes a portion of the following panel-,
22-118-22-14-0003.
This meeting was the first that we have heard about any park develop-
ment on our land and therefore, are very upset that: we were not notified
prior to the Phan being prepared. We do not understand why a neighbor
hood ;park is heeded in the area since there is a regional park.,
Further, this will be the second park development on property that we
own and are developing in the area; the first 'being on the west. side of
Zachary Lane in the Mission Hills Park 4th development area.
We strongly object to a portion of our property being labeled "park
land" because the connotation will severely hinder the marketability
of the parcel. Once the portion of the parcel is designated as park
land it becomes more difficult to gain approval for any type of
development unless the City is ready to purchase the land at this time.
If the City Council approves the plan as proposed', we will have to take:
the appropriate legal steps deemed necessary.
We Would request that this letter be entered into the November 5, 1981
Park and Recreation Advisory Commission public hearing on the proposed
park system plan.
Since
Peter Pflaum cc: Dave Davenport, Mayor
President Jim Willis, City Manager
Harry Jensen
PP/Je Gene Nolderness
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12/1181
Proposed Parks Acres
Neighbo hood Parks
26 NP 7.5,
27 NP q
39 NP 4
43 NP 12 gross. (5 net)
46 NP 6
19 NP 10,
11 NP 6
12. NP io
14 NP 18
is NP 5
16 NP 9 (+ Amhurst)
17 NP 5
20 NP 6
21, NP 10 in Central Park)
23 NP 9
29 NIP 11 gross (7 net)
31 NP 8
36 NO 6
5' NP 14
7 NP Pomerleau) (3, 7, 8) 10
19 NP, 8
21 sites 1,79-5+
PlayfieIds
9 PL Bass Lake) 1Z i
7 PL, Pomerleau) 16
20 PL 15
36 PL
Elm.Creek),
Dairy Fay") 16
68+
City Parks
27 CP W. Med, Lake) 50,
37 CP Parkers Lake) 24,+ Lake (90)
10 CP Timber Shores) 16.5 + Existing,
7 CP Pomerleau) 19 + Lake (33)
21 CP Plymouth Creek, 70
17M
TOTAL 427+