HomeMy WebLinkAboutPark and Recreation Advisory Commission Packet 10-08-1981I
Regu i a `Medi + of the Plymouth Park and Recreation Advisory, Com n1, to
October 80, 19$
7;3Q p,m,
AGENDA
Xntroduction of new commission member, David Berg, and now recreation; specialist.
Mary' Patterson
L Call to Order
2 : Approval of Minutes
3. Visitor Pres,ertations
a, Athletic Association Repvesentative
b. flick Busch and WAry Patterson
c, Others
4, Report on Fast Council Action
a. Award of Bids - Bast. Beach
b Adopt 1982 Budget and 5 -Year GTP (Copy attached)
S Unfinished: Business
a. Pla) .field Update
b. Neighborhood Park Update
c, `Bast Beach Update
d. update on Medicine Lake Regional Park
e, NRPA, Congross
6. New Business
a. Bim Creek Goy ,,f Course . r to Sell
b. New Flats
c, Review Public Rearlug Process .dor Comprehensive Park Elan
L Commission Presentation
8. Staff Communication
0. Adjournment
Mr. Klatte is asking $900,000 for, the golf course and _$100,000 for all
the miscellaneous equipment.. including gas golf carts, maintenance
equipment such as tractors, greens mowers, etc, He wishes to have
200,000 down and would finance the remaining $800,000 on a contract
at approximately 8h%, We wore able to look, at Mr Klatte's tax
statements and operating statements for the past two years. In 1980,
he grossed approximately $1.4S,S57 iron the golf course.
From a very quick review, I would say that the golf course is in
excellent condition, has been well managed and well kept up. The
revenue would indicate that he has an ongoing clientele that: regularly
play at hlm Green. My personal recommendation would be that it appears
to be a reasonable offer and that the City should further explore the
possibility of ownership of this golf course.
T await your direction or that of the City Council as to whether or
not we should proceed witha formal detailed review of the possible
acquisition of this property,
EB/nh
CITY OF PLYMOUTH
1400 PLYMOUTH BLVD., PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA 8544
TELEPRONE (612) $59-2800
MEMO2, OAS'e- October 1981
TO: Frank Boyles, Assistant City, manager
FRO N, Eric Blank, Park and Recreation Director
SUBJECT, Ela, Creek Golf Course
This geek, Nr, NerviiiR Klatte, owner of the Elm Creek Golf Course,,
informed, us that he wishes to sell the golf course. His 'reason in
contacting the City is that he prefers that the course remain as a
golf course and wishes to give the City of Plymouth first option at
purchasing this property., He indicated.that he placed an ad in the
paper rend currently has had three people contact him with. regard to
the possible purchase of this golf course, Mr. Klatte owns 70 acres,
nine of which: are, regulation golf ,course, and nine that are executive:
par -3 golf course,
Go 'Thursday- of this week,. Dick Pouliot, Mark Peterson and T toured
Elm Creek, Golf Course. We fbm- d the course, the buildings and
equipment to be in excellent- condition.. The golf course is laid
out amongst trees on rolling hills. surrounding Elm Creek, Although
it is not a long course, by any means, it has some very difficult
golf holes,
Mr. Klatte is asking $900,000 for, the golf course and _$100,000 for all
the miscellaneous equipment.. including gas golf carts, maintenance
equipment such as tractors, greens mowers, etc, He wishes to have
200,000 down and would finance the remaining $800,000 on a contract
at approximately 8h%, We wore able to look, at Mr Klatte's tax
statements and operating statements for the past two years. In 1980,
he grossed approximately $1.4S,S57 iron the golf course.
From a very quick review, I would say that the golf course is in
excellent condition, has been well managed and well kept up. The
revenue would indicate that he has an ongoing clientele that: regularly
play at hlm Green. My personal recommendation would be that it appears
to be a reasonable offer and that the City should further explore the
possibility of ownership of this golf course.
T await your direction or that of the City Council as to whether or
not we should proceed witha formal detailed review of the possible
acquisition of this property,
EB/nh
e
September 23,, 1981
Members of the City Council
Members of PRAC
c/o Eric Bl a.niC, Director
Parks an.d Recreation Department
City of Rlymovth
3400 'Plymouth Boulevard
Plymouth, Minnesota $5447
RE Joint Meeting of September 1.6
B3A Project 181-.14
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Thank you foie attending the special meeting regarding the
Park System Plan. Your direction and input assist us
grtat.ly in accomplishing our Masks.
With regard to a question. that recurred throughout the
evening --that of densities, radii and park standa,r,ds.--I
have attached two sheets which- 1 hope- will clarify the
methodology that we used.
The quantitative standard used for neighborhood parks is
1 park per nei ghborhocd and 2.6 to 3.,5 acres per 1,000
people per neighborhood (Column 4 Park Needs), based
upon the ultimate population as projected by the Plymouth
Comprehensive Guide Pian (Column 2 - Ultimate Population).
Secon,d.ari'ly,, we used a less quantitative standard of a
service radius of "approximately 1/2 mile" (Task 1 p. 4).
With these standards in hand, we inventoried existing
neighborhood parks. In the attached example, neigh-`
borhoods 10,, 13, 24 and 25 all had existing neighborhood
parks of sufficient size to meet the quantitative st.an
dards (Column -3 Existing Neighborhood Parks); in some
cases, however, qualitative standards were not met (see
Column 6' - Comments). Neighborhoods 9, 11 12 and 14 do
not, however, possess neighborhood parks and,, hence, all
have park acreage deficienciesoffrom 5 to 14 acres
Column 5' Actual Deficiency)
As indicated on the attached map, the ideal walk-
ing alking, distance 3s represented by the 1/2 mile ser-
vice radius. is fairly well met though there are
obviously gap3 and overlaps. This is unavoidable,
though many of the overlapping areas are ellimi,
nated if the circles are truncated. by pedestrian.
barriers such as Co Rd. 18, proposed Co Rd. 9
and the railway:
Ftong,CksA Drive, Edi Prairie, Wnn esota 55344 (612) 941-1660
Members of the City Council'
Members of FRAC, -2 -September-?3, 1981
In summarv, park acreage needs and deficiencies are basad
upon neighborhoods boundaries, not on service radii. I
am convinced that the methodology is sound and con:istnnt.,
and that any misunderstandings resulted only from my
failure to articulate the methodology and termtnol ogy
properly.
Thanks again for your atendance and your comments.
If questions on; this or other issues arise, please feel
free to contact me
BR:A, a ASSOC IAT LTD., I C.
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ohn A Worrall
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Attachments
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Na1gM Existing Park Needs Ultlmete
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Nslghborhowf
Perks/AOOS
at 2.5-3.1
Acro OQOa'
OMficleocy
Acres) Ceemanfs (of 0190 Task 2 - tnwsn'h WY)
7,265
part)/1.7
Hemlock/0.3
X 01!! prlMrtly Offitt ItwustrIai* povulotto":
V. Medicine Lske
estimate probably too high
p 0 livne rittrmly ofticw-ln+d tl'lai
3 2,211
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d besrav ld+! by 060i.a oro o
4 943 s 3 Uld ba ortde+d * *pis Grove; 'tea
unnamed parkn2 6.3-9 6.5-4 outlots In Mopl• (reek addltloR require
a I so oomsants forl 3 rM 9
3 3.423 d.9-12 1.3-12 ligan Park t20.7 40 Id. M OweloMd
30 1, WO Shiloh/13.3 3-6.5
as eel hUWTWA park fa wows neighbor-
3.716 1+.3-30 141.3-20 hoods f.! aM 6
7 2,01; 9.3-13. 3, 9.5-13.9 st mlhborho W Ark at POO 1060 Lake
coulee serve nalghborhoods 2 and 6
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priserily tndusTrIal
could be provided in Central Park
mutd be provided In Central Park
should be north of crook: pope l e Ion
eatis+ate probably fro* high;_
Mom, 4001TI"Of UV61
way reqs re ona o
slon aroblom oxlst
26 4.076 23rd 1 E.M.L./419 an e • r, i V!
E. Medicine Laky
27 7,265
part)/1.7
Hemlock/0.3 5." 1.3-4 pert of M. Medicine Lake Park 1353. a.;?
V. Medicine Lske functions as neighborhood park
Per+)/3.5
26 0 0 Noe* entirely industrial
2f 2,519 unnamed parkn2 6.3-9 6.5-4 outlots In Mopl• (reek addltloR require
conslderablo developw+
30 1, WO Shiloh/13.3 3-6.5 None 22 out o1 33.6 acres at the Idsntlfled
Ponderosa/4.9 parks are crsdltad taw6rd neighborhood.
Faxsndlt/12.2 recrestlon the balance Is: storm water
01tve Len Pond/3.2 ro+en+lon or otherwise unusable
31 2, 557 6.5-9 6.5-9
32 1,630 Greenwood Elemlperf)/6 3-6.3 bone though closslfled at xmnwrnl,ty playflold,.
Greenwood Is not devoloped as such.
Can serve noIghb-Oeh%Xd needs unl rn
and until developed as playflold;
33 1,519 Greentree Mast I O -Q 5-5.3 None Green Oaks adequately serves
3rean Oaks/6.6 neighborhood park needs. Green-
Aoadorood/1A. tree. Mast and: M»do wd we
special use parks
34 1,093 imperial N1'1IO/9,,1 54.3 bone; the bast ekisting neighborhood park in
Plymouth
35 1,946: 3-7 5-7
36 3,251 0-11.5 8-11.5
37 10320' Lions °arkl3.1 5-5 None -2 Lions Park functions as a; neighborhood
park and would otherwise be adequate.
for the popu (at lon F eacept for the
five acre minimum stipulation
36 1,150, Glsenloch/6.9 5-5 None ecreage is adequate, but acqulsitlon at
Gisonloch would ire desirable for facia-
tIfles expansion
39 3,191 6-11 6-11 Mast Medicine ;aka Park and/or Co~lty
Club can provide saes neighborhood
functions
40 90' 0 Nona antlrelyIndustrial
41 634 3 lone -5: well neighborhood, could be served bit
St. Louts Park.
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