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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPark and Recreation Advisory Commission Packet 10-08-1981I Regu i a `Medi + of the Plymouth Park and Recreation Advisory, Com n1, to October 80, 19$ 7;3Q p,m, AGENDA Xntroduction of new commission member, David Berg, and now recreation; specialist. Mary' Patterson L Call to Order 2 : Approval of Minutes 3. Visitor Pres,ertations a, Athletic Association Repvesentative b. flick Busch and WAry Patterson c, Others 4, Report on Fast Council Action a. Award of Bids - Bast. Beach b Adopt 1982 Budget and 5 -Year GTP (Copy attached) S Unfinished: Business a. Pla) .field Update b. Neighborhood Park Update c, `Bast Beach Update d. update on Medicine Lake Regional Park e, NRPA, Congross 6. New Business a. Bim Creek Goy ,,f Course . r to Sell b. New Flats c, Review Public Rearlug Process .dor Comprehensive Park Elan L Commission Presentation 8. Staff Communication 0. Adjournment Mr. Klatte is asking $900,000 for, the golf course and _$100,000 for all the miscellaneous equipment.. including gas golf carts, maintenance equipment such as tractors, greens mowers, etc, He wishes to have 200,000 down and would finance the remaining $800,000 on a contract at approximately 8h%, We wore able to look, at Mr Klatte's tax statements and operating statements for the past two years. In 1980, he grossed approximately $1.4S,S57 iron the golf course. From a very quick review, I would say that the golf course is in excellent condition, has been well managed and well kept up. The revenue would indicate that he has an ongoing clientele that: regularly play at hlm Green. My personal recommendation would be that it appears to be a reasonable offer and that the City should further explore the possibility of ownership of this golf course. T await your direction or that of the City Council as to whether or not we should proceed witha formal detailed review of the possible acquisition of this property, EB/nh CITY OF PLYMOUTH 1400 PLYMOUTH BLVD., PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA 8544 TELEPRONE (612) $59-2800 MEMO2, OAS'e- October 1981 TO: Frank Boyles, Assistant City, manager FRO N, Eric Blank, Park and Recreation Director SUBJECT, Ela, Creek Golf Course This geek, Nr, NerviiiR Klatte, owner of the Elm Creek Golf Course,, informed, us that he wishes to sell the golf course. His 'reason in contacting the City is that he prefers that the course remain as a golf course and wishes to give the City of Plymouth first option at purchasing this property., He indicated.that he placed an ad in the paper rend currently has had three people contact him with. regard to the possible purchase of this golf course, Mr. Klatte owns 70 acres, nine of which: are, regulation golf ,course, and nine that are executive: par -3 golf course, Go 'Thursday- of this week,. Dick Pouliot, Mark Peterson and T toured Elm Creek, Golf Course. We fbm- d the course, the buildings and equipment to be in excellent- condition.. The golf course is laid out amongst trees on rolling hills. surrounding Elm Creek, Although it is not a long course, by any means, it has some very difficult golf holes, Mr. Klatte is asking $900,000 for, the golf course and _$100,000 for all the miscellaneous equipment.. including gas golf carts, maintenance equipment such as tractors, greens mowers, etc, He wishes to have 200,000 down and would finance the remaining $800,000 on a contract at approximately 8h%, We wore able to look, at Mr Klatte's tax statements and operating statements for the past two years. In 1980, he grossed approximately $1.4S,S57 iron the golf course. From a very quick review, I would say that the golf course is in excellent condition, has been well managed and well kept up. The revenue would indicate that he has an ongoing clientele that: regularly play at hlm Green. My personal recommendation would be that it appears to be a reasonable offer and that the City should further explore the possibility of ownership of this golf course. T await your direction or that of the City Council as to whether or not we should proceed witha formal detailed review of the possible acquisition of this property, EB/nh e September 23,, 1981 Members of the City Council Members of PRAC c/o Eric Bl a.niC, Director Parks an.d Recreation Department City of Rlymovth 3400 'Plymouth Boulevard Plymouth, Minnesota $5447 RE Joint Meeting of September 1.6 B3A Project 181-.14 7 Thank you foie attending the special meeting regarding the Park System Plan. Your direction and input assist us grtat.ly in accomplishing our Masks. With regard to a question. that recurred throughout the evening --that of densities, radii and park standa,r,ds.--I have attached two sheets which- 1 hope- will clarify the methodology that we used. The quantitative standard used for neighborhood parks is 1 park per nei ghborhocd and 2.6 to 3.,5 acres per 1,000 people per neighborhood (Column 4 Park Needs), based upon the ultimate population as projected by the Plymouth Comprehensive Guide Pian (Column 2 - Ultimate Population). Secon,d.ari'ly,, we used a less quantitative standard of a service radius of "approximately 1/2 mile" (Task 1 p. 4). With these standards in hand, we inventoried existing neighborhood parks. In the attached example, neigh-` borhoods 10,, 13, 24 and 25 all had existing neighborhood parks of sufficient size to meet the quantitative st.an dards (Column -3 Existing Neighborhood Parks); in some cases, however, qualitative standards were not met (see Column 6' - Comments). Neighborhoods 9, 11 12 and 14 do not, however, possess neighborhood parks and,, hence, all have park acreage deficienciesoffrom 5 to 14 acres Column 5' Actual Deficiency) As indicated on the attached map, the ideal walk- ing alking, distance 3s represented by the 1/2 mile ser- vice radius. is fairly well met though there are obviously gap3 and overlaps. This is unavoidable, though many of the overlapping areas are ellimi, nated if the circles are truncated. by pedestrian. barriers such as Co Rd. 18, proposed Co Rd. 9 and the railway: Ftong,CksA Drive, Edi Prairie, Wnn esota 55344 (612) 941-1660 Members of the City Council' Members of FRAC, -2 -September-?3, 1981 In summarv, park acreage needs and deficiencies are basad upon neighborhoods boundaries, not on service radii. I am convinced that the methodology is sound and con:istnnt., and that any misunderstandings resulted only from my failure to articulate the methodology and termtnol ogy properly. Thanks again for your atendance and your comments. If questions on; this or other issues arise, please feel free to contact me BR:A, a ASSOC IAT LTD., I C. r ohn A Worrall i rectae v Attachments 1lt it 20 21 22 23 542. 1,709 2, 9911 4.3" 1,402 3,436 124 Central Pork(port)/15 ss ons7-1V ow, sort 0 7.1-10.5 11.3-16 8.3-12 Moiw 7s $-10'1 S dl.s-16 s. 111.5-12 649ftt+IQ00 MRK IES IILTIMIITEictw 26 A- 4 i)nlow" recommended Oils 3 scr": Na1gM Existing Park Needs Ultlmete bar- Ultimata oo, I tLc+n Nslghborhowf Perks/AOOS at 2.5-3.1 Acro OQOa' OMficleocy Acres) Ceemanfs (of 0190 Task 2 - tnwsn'h WY) 7,265 part)/1.7 Hemlock/0.3 X 01!! prlMrtly Offitt ItwustrIai* povulotto": V. Medicine Lske estimate probably too high p 0 livne rittrmly ofticw-ln+d tl'lai 3 2,211 26 0 d besrav ld+! by 060i.a oro o 4 943 s 3 Uld ba ortde+d * *pis Grove; 'tea unnamed parkn2 6.3-9 6.5-4 outlots In Mopl• (reek addltloR require a I so oomsants forl 3 rM 9 3 3.423 d.9-12 1.3-12 ligan Park t20.7 40 Id. M OweloMd 30 1, WO Shiloh/13.3 3-6.5 as eel hUWTWA park fa wows neighbor- 3.716 1+.3-30 141.3-20 hoods f.! aM 6 7 2,01; 9.3-13. 3, 9.5-13.9 st mlhborho W Ark at POO 1060 Lake coulee serve nalghborhoods 2 and 6 1lt it 20 21 22 23 542. 1,709 2, 9911 4.3" 1,402 3,436 124 Central Pork(port)/15 ss ons7-1V ow, sort 0 7.1-10.5 11.3-16 8.3-12 Moiw 7s $-10'1 S dl.s-16 s. 111.5-12 priserily tndusTrIal could be provided in Central Park mutd be provided In Central Park should be north of crook: pope l e Ion eatis+ate probably fro* high;_ Mom, 4001TI"Of UV61 way reqs re ona o slon aroblom oxlst 26 4.076 23rd 1 E.M.L./419 an e • r, i V! E. Medicine Laky 27 7,265 part)/1.7 Hemlock/0.3 5." 1.3-4 pert of M. Medicine Lake Park 1353. a.;? V. Medicine Lske functions as neighborhood park Per+)/3.5 26 0 0 Noe* entirely industrial 2f 2,519 unnamed parkn2 6.3-9 6.5-4 outlots In Mopl• (reek addltloR require conslderablo developw+ 30 1, WO Shiloh/13.3 3-6.5 None 22 out o1 33.6 acres at the Idsntlfled Ponderosa/4.9 parks are crsdltad taw6rd neighborhood. Faxsndlt/12.2 recrestlon the balance Is: storm water 01tve Len Pond/3.2 ro+en+lon or otherwise unusable 31 2, 557 6.5-9 6.5-9 32 1,630 Greenwood Elemlperf)/6 3-6.3 bone though closslfled at xmnwrnl,ty playflold,. Greenwood Is not devoloped as such. Can serve noIghb-Oeh%Xd needs unl rn and until developed as playflold; 33 1,519 Greentree Mast I O -Q 5-5.3 None Green Oaks adequately serves 3rean Oaks/6.6 neighborhood park needs. Green- Aoadorood/1A. tree. Mast and: M»do wd we special use parks 34 1,093 imperial N1'1IO/9,,1 54.3 bone; the bast ekisting neighborhood park in Plymouth 35 1,946: 3-7 5-7 36 3,251 0-11.5 8-11.5 37 10320' Lions °arkl3.1 5-5 None -2 Lions Park functions as a; neighborhood park and would otherwise be adequate. for the popu (at lon F eacept for the five acre minimum stipulation 36 1,150, Glsenloch/6.9 5-5 None ecreage is adequate, but acqulsitlon at Gisonloch would ire desirable for facia- tIfles expansion 39 3,191 6-11 6-11 Mast Medicine ;aka Park and/or Co~lty Club can provide saes neighborhood functions 40 90' 0 Nona antlrelyIndustrial 41 634 3 lone -5: well neighborhood, could be served bit St. Louts Park. i S" a wa A y R c i; atCa1 v ;,, ay•w w a . a • , ...