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PeMgulati' fi Cf , of .1980.- 7:30 P.M.
P1ymouth . City. Center Uouncil Cha*iexs
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lY Call, to. Order
2. Appm-mi of Minutes
3. Visitor Presentations
A., Athletic Association Aeprese ntatives
b.. Others,
c. Ride Busch and Jane 7horston
4. Report. on Past Council Actions
5. unfinished Business
a. Bass Lake Access: Report frail PRAC S bcaffi-tts - ;import from Staff
on Status of 'Tinier Shores Access; Potential
b. Playfield - Update
c. Prudential Development - Wail
d. Omprehensiv+e Park. Plan
e, Carlson Center
t. Discuss Ooromissicn,. Training Workshop
6. New Business
a New Plats
b. Dormtown Plymouth Sidewalk Plan
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7. Commission Presentations
8. Staff Cmm nicati.um
9. Adjournment
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Minutes of the Regular Meeting of the PZynmth Parks and, Recreation Advisory
a maission, Nix 6, 1980
C'rmn ssioners Present:. Man Brass,_ Steve Chesebr u*, Frank Dvor .k, Barbara
Edaards, John Millan, and Betty Threnen
tloamissioner Absent: James Rice
Staff Present; Eric Blank, Rick Busch, Nancy Heigesvn and Jane Thorston
others. Present:, Dave Weir, Jim Brown, Jdm Palda, Belly Palda, Earl
Anderson, Barbara Anderson, Marinas Maoden,, Jan Brown,
Jan Darth, Boyer Palmer, hiss Nahornak, LeRoy Wensale,
and. Dewe Nygren
1. CALL To C}ICER
0ORMssioner Threinen called the meeting to order at 7;30 p.m
APPROVAL OF MDR?MS
0ocrissioner Mullan asked for clarification of purpose of PIP meetings. Director
Blank informed him that in addition to discussing Parks., other city staff may be
present to field questions on other issues. THE MUTES OF THE C) MWR 2nd ME ETIM
WERE MM APPROM BY A MNICNFRom axtamcNER BPASS, WHICH WAS SE MED By
C OMMISSIMR, MUM. A VME WAS !MM, AND THE MDTICN PASSED WITH ALL AYES.
3. VISITOR PFESENTATIMS
A) There were no Athletic Association Representatives present.
B) Others Their presentations; will be covered in later agenda items
C). Jane Thorston and Rick Busch - Jane Thorston presented the =mdssioners with
cocparsson figures between fall programs of 1979 and. 1980 which pointed out
i that youth class enrolment had, doubled this fall She also talked of Senior
activities whz., irplude an exexcise session held once a week followed by hiking,
and one monthly dance held at St. May of the Lake. Sone of her Christmas
vacation activities: include ,ski.. lessons, a trip to the Children's Mleatre to
see Cinderella and a, special PlynDuth outing to Murphy's Landing in Shakopee.
Ride Busch shared information regarding his programs, same of which were. new
this fall, including youth wrestling, 3-man basketball and 4-man football.
New program for winter are cry-rec broanball if there is enough interest,
skating instruction for youth, `:tri a table tennis tournaamt in February,
and an adultwrestling program.
1he next items were taken out of sequence. in consideration of the visitors.
54 UNFINISHED BW IlNESS
A) Cramer-Weir: Trail Between Niagara and Ferrbrook:Janes - Director Blank
in s item. by giving a staff report which pointed out t1aree alterna-
tive trail plans for consideration by the PFAC. Following this staff report,
Dave Weir, representing Cranes-Weix and Scoville Press, name forwa cd and stated
his objections to all theme alternatives, pointing out his concern that none of
the alternatives was suitable to this area. He feels that bicyclists and pedes-
trians will opt for taking a mare scenic route, e.g., traveling along County
Aaad'. `6, as opposed to riding in and around industrial warehouses. Theo of the
three alternatives will mean that Scoville Press will have to give trail ease
meets. The commissioners continued discussing the alternatives among
themselves and asked questions of W. Weir and Director Blank.
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QmKc.SSICNER MIIJAN MEN MATE A OTICN THAT PW. ADOPT THE TRAIL RSOOMMM
BY` SMY MUCH GOES EAST FROM, NIAGM TO .FMMROOK, SOUTH CN FUMICOK TO
A CFCSSING AT 25th AVENUE AND THEN CONTINUES EAST TO 494 AND CaTNDCI'S TO
THE NOWH-SOUIH OOUB=R TRAIL THERE. HE ALSO IWESTS THAT STAFF
EWXD :THE HIRING OF A CONSULTANT' TO REVIEW THE IMAL TRAIL; PLAN.
COWESSICNER BRASS ADM) THAT HE WOW LIKE THE WORD "EASENIM" INSERTED
AMM ME SURD TRAIL. THE MyI'ICN WAS SECONM BY OObWSSICNER BRASS'.
A VOM WAS 'TAKEN AND THE MTICK TIED, WITH 00bMSSICNERS MJLIAN AND
EMMS VIMITNC AYE, AND OOMMSSICNERS CHESEBROUGH Ali) DMRAK- VOTING' NAY..
CO MI$SIONER BRASS ABSTAINED.: THE M7ITCN FINALLY PASSED WrM OCMUSSICNER
WMMN VOTING AYE.
B) Bass Lake Access: Report from PRAC Subcommittee Commissioner Brass pointed
out that Me main concern of this oom ittee 39M—with water and water frontage
being limited resources that will become of greater value to Plymouth residents.
The suboonmittee suggests ttAt PRAC needs to develop a policy insuring maxis m
availability of these resources to the residents while remaining resPertful of
individual rights. The committee gooses not to study each and every request
individually, but rather that,PRAC develop a omprehens ve lakefront plan similar
Jim :Brown, representing the residents of Palmer's Cove, came forward at this,
point and stated his objections to a lake access being constructed in the
Oakview cul -de• -sac. Director. Blank then said that the Boyer Palmer property
would provably be accepted by the INR and that they would prefer that lake
access be installed at a location other than Mr. Palmer's property. City
engineers and INR staff are now taking surveys to try and determine if Timber
Shores Park would be a. suitable location for this access.. Director Blank
hopes to have this data available for the December PPAiC meeting. Connissioner
Threinen suggested that PRAC table any action on the Bass Take Access until
the report from the INR and engineers is available. When asked what Mr.
Palmer would do with his property if it's not acoepted by either the City
or. the DNR, he answered that he would probably build a hous-e- on the site.
6. NEW BUSINESS
B) Carlson Center: Review Need for NeighboriKo Park - (Commissioner, Mullan left
U14 meetingg using discussion of this item, since hA, , firm is working` with Carlson
Companies.)
Director Blank gave a staff report which advised against developing a park in
this neighborhood, sinoe Sunset Hill School Park is within six blocks of this
development and satisfies the walking neighborhood park, requirement. Russ
Nahorniako 414 Berkshire Lane, then came forward and presented background
information and maps in support of his request that.PRAC reconsider an additional
park for this area. He stated that because of Carlson's proposed roadway Plans,
the residents of"this neighborhood will be cut off from a convenient access
to Sunset Hill School Park, and tb t the children of this area will have to
cross County Road 61 in order to get to the park. He presented data sharing
that Oaunty Road 61 will be used by 29,000 to 30,000 cars tier day. Mr.. Nahorniak
does not think that c i ildren can safely get across this street. He is -asking
that PMC refrain from adopting a motion that would prevent Walking Neighborhood
44 from having an additional park. Director Blank said that he did not see
any problem if- tills wire tabled.
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03*MiaNm =MK M TICKED THAT PRAC SHOULD DEFER ACTIC N FOR. CIE M NTH
CN STAFF'S FIMM 3A'f ON UrUIL M r E I NFORMATICN IS AVAILABLE CN THE"
CAN" CHR ER: AND Mff SMF ` SHOULD KEEP AN OPEN MIND WHEN 'REVIEWING
7HE PLAN'. THE AMCN WAS SBOONCED BY 00 WSSICNER C HESFBFIDUGH. A. %KYM
WAS TAM,,AND THE M rICN CARRED W, rM ALL AYES
4. REPOFW CN -PAST 'COCNCM ACTICNS
A), 1981 Park and RecreationB - the City Council approved the final budget
ane Director exp what the funding includes:I the Senior Citizen
program, the. Special population Program, the Warning House Program, the Puppet
Wagon, Playgrounds in the Streets,, and donations to the Athletic Associations.
B) 1981.-85 CIP Director Blank handed out copies of the CIP and, went through
it year by year explaining which items would be covered. Each year includes
the develgment' of two neighborhood parks, trail inprovements and the Zachary
Lane playfield contract. Zhe Creerwood Elementary playfield site has been
anitted. As part of the CIP discussion, om rassioners asked Director Blank
if the ENi;/Bass Lake access issue would affect Timber Shores Park inproveMents ,
particulary in terms of parking area. He answered that the DNR proposes to
develop a parking lot to acoamiodate eight vehicles, and that we would
attenQt to dovetail -on= itpravenxmts of Tuber Shores with any improvements
the INR, may, constrict .for lake access. Further discussion of the CIP led
to questions regarding the Mission Hill area, and its residents preparing
written information for purposes of giving PRAC input in terms of a neighbor-
hood park hese. Director Blank then offered the following timetable: He hopes
tr, ha%e park consultants hired by January; mc,-tings underway with the neighbor-
hoods by eighborhoods'by February; plans and. specifications finished by April lst; with
construct cn being corpleted by next fall. Additionally, because of residents'
interest in giving their input intro park planning, Director Blank suggested,
that PRAC develop a policy which will define homeowner association input to
the planning proms and determine the rights of those persons living on a
park as opposed to the r ".,,wts of those who don't.
C) Ridgamunt Playfield: Award of Bids Director Blank shared a mem with
the 35;j 1—cnem which detail the bid award for the Rid9emount playfield.
The contractor will, be developing two new soccer/football fields excluding`
lights, two hockey rinks with lights, a parking lot, and lighting: of the
existing tennis courts.. 'There will be no shelter at this playfield for the
time being, and the two baseball fields already there will remain, but will
not receive any inprovements
5. [NF' USHED BUSIN .S'
A) See page 1.
B) See page 2.
C) Playfield Update 'Thirty acres at Zachary Lane have. been approved :for
purchase csn a contract for deed, with an additional 13 acres possibly can= ng
from. the. Deerwood Meadows parcel. Plymouth Jr.. High has been totally sodded;
the "shelter at IaOa mte Green is underway with mascrny almost totally finished;
sodding, at Oakwood is omplete, and decking for the shelter roof is being done.
The hockey rinks are nearly 90$ ecuplete. The trails are nearly all finished
at the Fernbrook site, and the parking is in. The contractor is putting the
final touches on the irrigation system. over all, Director Blank is pleased
with the progress being made on the playfields.
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D) Pru3ential D nnLgxt-nt - A trail, corridor has been determined, but neighborhood
1^m* sate is s;til begstudied.
E) Shiloh and. O1eanloch The co trac 'or is still laying sod and replantinging trees,.
TheiTtect nest yet signed off the project at this time.
E) LA KrN Gant - The grant will be going to t`ie 1042 Ccxmi ssion in. December and.
apj-7,;vul could be forthcoumng in January or Febivary. It might be possible to have
of the beach. improvements ready by the 1981,surtver° season.
G) Omprehensive Park Plan Oopie^s of the plan will be sent to all the comnissicners..
6. NEW BUSINESS
A) New Plats - There are no new plats at this time.
B) See page 2.
7., O3HIISSICN FFESENTRACNS
0mvissicner Millan, requested' that staff get the trail plan updated as soon as
possible. Qmvdssioner 1hreinen announced a Gc amni,ty Education meeting to be
held at Oakwood Elementary on, Tuesday, Novenber 1Z, ,'Ahich will discuss the Child.
Care .LatCh Key Program:,
3. S'.FF C OMM NICAI"°IC INS
Director Blank informed the oamdssioners of the anniel MMWA fall conference which
is being held at the Zhunderbird Irbtel. in Bl drxibm on November 19, 20 and 21.
If cc:,t s5ioners wish W atter am' sessirAis, they should aantact Naacy on
Friday, November 7th. Dimer Blank also told comrdssionerrs that he had
discussed. the ids of a different format for our newsletter with Jim Willis
and that. they new format may be used for next spring e s prc-graiti oalerings .
As a final note, Director Blank mentioned that the: oonmissioners:would
probably begin seeing co m vials; on television sponsored by the National,
Recreation and Parks Associatimi. 'their message:. "Life. Be In It."
ocir, issioner Che sebnNx h motioned to adjourn which was, seconded by Cc missioner
v ass .; The meeting adjourned a - 9:55 p. m.
Minutes of the Regular Meeting of the Parks and Recreation Advisory Commission
December 4, 1980
Commissioners Present .lames Rice, Betty Thr'inen= Steve Chesebrougix, Alan Brass,,
Barbara Edwards, John Air, Ilan, and. Frank Dvorak
StaffPresent; Eric Blank and Nancy, Helgeson
Others Present; Ron Anderton, Curt Swanson., Ronald Davidson, and
Pete Thorsen from the Bass Lake Improvement Association
1, CALL. TQ OR1'*R
Commissioner Threinen called the meeting to order at 7:40 p.m, in the Plymouth
City Center Council Chambers (Chairman 'Rice had not yet arrived,
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
The minutes of the November meeting, were approved as read by a motion from
Cissioner Or ---ISS. The motion was seconded by Commissioner Chesebrough and
carried with a vote of six ayes.
3.
1 VISITOR PRESENTATIONS
A) No Athletic Association representatives were present.
B) Others in attendance came interested in the Bass Lake access issue.
C) Jane Sletten and; Rick Busch. gave written reports to the. Commissioners
but were 'Pot present at this month's meeting.
4 REPORT ON PAST' COUNCIL. ACTIONS
Commissioner 'Ihreinen pointed that a new mayor (David Davenport) and a
new council member Pim rN,reinen)l had been, sworn in at the December
1 City Council. meeting. Director Blank had nothing; furrier to report
n past council actions.;
5,: UNFINISHEb BUSINESS
A) Bass Lake Access: Report ftom FRAC Subcommittee - Report from Staff on
Status of Timbershores Access Potential - Commissioner Brass preseztted his
committee's report to PKAC and Director Blank which pointed out five major
concerns 1) the City spiould develop a policy regarding the availability
of lake shore and lake access to Plymouth residents,, 2) PRE\C should adopt
land, acquisition guidelines within the next master plan, 3) there should
be some wty to control boat and motor size,, as well as controlling launch.
and park areas; and,resident parking ,-t ckors 'need to be examined as practiced
in other communities, 4) certain -lakes should be identified for use by
onl7 sailboats and canoes, and S) joint policy guidelines- need to be est,,, ished
with the DNR, Hennepin -County, and the cities of Wayzata, Orono, and
Medicine take.
Director Blan; :yen gave his report which stated that the DNR has formally
accepted Boyer Palmer's property. Our owe city crews, will be surveying
Bass Lake and Timbe~shores Park to see if access is, possible from this
location, and a report on this survey will: be presented at the: January
PRAC meeting. Pete Thomsenas*if the City had sl atec! a position; on
aeration and maintenance of $ass Lake, and Dilrector Blank said that this
question would also be adds ssed in his -report next month..
B) PI,!Xf__ield lindate Oakwood' and Plymouth Jr. High shelter buildings should:
6e fin s a y-6ecewber 2S and LaCowpte and Fernbrook buildings completed
by January 1, Fernbrook and Ridgemount playfields have been graded, and
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bd installation is scheduled. for next spring.. The purchase of 33 acres
from Gari Lee for the Zachary playfield has been comp7'eted also.
Director Blank i; meeting, with representatives from Pilgrim United Methodist
Church on Tuesday, December 9, regarding swapping 54,000 square feet; of
land for the; Zachary pl.ayfield. .
The hockey rinks are in: the process of'being flooded, and they will be
ready for use before the buildings are finished.,
C) Prudential Development. -- Trail - Director Blank shared a report and `maps
with the Commissioners regarding,the Prudential Development and stated
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that two trails., are called for in the Comprehensive Park Plan, He also
discussed several areas in this development that might be suitable for
small neighborhood parks. Chairman Rice arrived. at this moment and stated
his concern. regarding developing, small parks, Discussion continued on
the development of trails in this area, and
COMIMISSIONER BRASS; MOTIONED THAT FRAC: SHOULD ADOPT DIRECTOR BLANK'S
RECOMMENDATION IN; ITEM 1 OF HIS STAFF REPORT NHIGI INCLUDES A TRAIL
FROM XENIUM;VANE.TO THE TRAIL UNDERPASS ATI -494. CO*IISSIONER
WILL.4N SECONDED THE:, MOTION WHICH SUBSEQUENTLY CARRIED WITH SIX
COMMISSIONERS. VOTING AXE:
There followed further discussion on the location of three neighbor-
hood. parks in this area. PRAC asked staff to report back to them on
the viability of three sites and what development would cost the
city. Items to consider in determxng if these sites are acceptable
included: 1) population served, 2) resident's access to the sites,
3) conversation with Church representatives, and 4) cost of purchasing
land from PTudeAtial..
D) Comprehensive Park Plan w Director Blank had no new information on this
item.
Ej Carlson Center-- There was no additional information.to report on the
Carlson Center at this time,
F) Discuss Cu nission Training Workshoj 4 Director Blank announced that a
gaining session for commissioners would be held at the MRPA headquarters
on January 13 which would include items such as agenda brainstorming and
topics for discussion. Director Blank, and Chairman. Rice have been dis-
cussing, holding a workshop for commissioners regarding "recreation, in
the 801s." There would be two components to this workshop, fixst, the
educational component dealing with the future of leisure activities in
society;. and second, a presentation by our park consultant dealing with,
the update of the park plan: Chairman Rice and Director Blank will
put together a memo rega;,ding dates and a location.
6. NEW BUSINESS
A) New Plats -. There are no new plats to discuss-
B) Downtown Pl mouth Sidewalk Plan , The first commercial development for
downtown Plymouth.has been approved; however, it does not include any
sidewalks: We now need a comprehensive sidewalk plan for immediate
implementation. Director Blank shared a. map of proposed sidewalk system
with the Commissioners as well as: presenting a staff memo explaining the
system,
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COMMISSIONER THRUNEN MOTIONED THAT THE CITY` OF PLY1 O, ADOPT
THE SIDEWALK NETWORK OF STAFF'S DECEMBER. 1 MEMO, COINCIDING WITH
STATED CONSIDERATIONS, GOALS, AREAS OF INTEREST AND TRAIL SYSTEM
PLAN., THESE.SIDEWALKS'WILL BE CONSTRUCTED BY THE DEVELOPER IN
ACCORDINANCE WITH CITY ADOPTED REGULATIM. COMMISSIONER
BRASS SECONDED THE MOTION,
Discussion on this item continued, and; Commissioner lfullan requested
that policy be revised: to. say "sidewalk within road right-of-way,"
and that the matter of maintenance by -develop, ., be made more clear
regarding the sidewalk crossing the developer's, property. A vote
was then called. for and Commissioners Edwards, Brass, and, 'lhreinen
voted ave, Commissioners Mullan., Dvorak, and Chesebrough voted nay.
thai:rman. Rice voted aye, and. the motion passed,
7. COMMISSION PRESENTATION
Community'Education.'s. Quarterly meeting will be on December 10 at the
Wayzata Administration Building' announced. Commissioner 11ireinen. The
program will focus on Latch Key Child Care being offered at Wids.ten,
Oakwood or Greenwood.. She also mentioned that she had,been impressed
with the annual fall ARPA conference. Other commissione-1;s who attended
parts; of the conference were Chairman Rice and Commissioner Chesebrough;
Chairman Rice stated that he was interested in having an updated telephone
survey done. in 1981 which would get, the impressions of citizens' leisure
on thedein : this in the fail, to et feedbacktimeneeds:., He suggestedg g_
new playfiel,ds.
8. STAFF COMMUNICATIONS
Director Blank asked if commissioners were -receiving their Park and
Recreation magazines, and. Commissioner Dvorak said: that he was not
betting his copies
he commissioners and Director Blank then discussed a memo that PRAG
htd received earlier in 1980 from Frank Boyles regarding citizen input
iu planning and designing, new Parks It was decided that staff should
outline a new proposal for citizen involvement and present it to PRAC
for 'thein review.
The next. PRAC meeting will be,held.on January 8 instead of January 1,
and will begin at 5:30 p,m, due to the numerous agenda items that will
have to be discussed and the possibility of holding a tQhearing" on: the
Bass Lake access issue.
9. ADJOURNMENT
Commissioner Brass, motioned.for adjournment at 9«40 p.m., and Commissioner
Mullan seconded this motion,