HomeMy WebLinkAboutPark and Recreation Advisory Commission Packet 06-08-1978PLYMOU'g1 PARS AND RECREATION ADVISORY COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING
Thursday, June 8, 1978
AGENDA
Chairman: Dick Williams
Those. expected: Alan Brass Barbara Edwards Mary Getten`
James Guddal dames. Rice Dorothy Terry
Betty Threinen Robert Troemel Jon Born
1. Call to Order - 7:30 Fm - Conference Room
2. Minutes - May 4 1978
3. Information Items - Council Action of May 15, 1978
a. Community Pl'ayfie ds
b. Park Dedication Fees
c. Green Oaks Expansion
d. Four Seasons Letter
4. Items Requiring Park and Recreation Advisory Commission Action
a. Mini Plan to. Satisfy Immediate Community Playfield Needs
b. Identify Potential Community P1ayfield Sites
c. Pilgrim Lane Elementary Volleyball Courts
S. Other Business
6. Adjournment
MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE
PLYMOUTH PARK AND RECREATION ADVISORY COMMISSION.
May 4, 1078
The reguler" meeting of the Plymouth Park and Recreation Advisory Coaraission was called to
order by Chairman Dick Williatas at 7:30 pm in the Council Chambers of the Citi° of Plyttioutla,
MEMBERS PRESENT; Barb Edwards, Mary Getten, dames Rice, Dorothy Teri -y, Betty Threinetz,
Bob Troemel, Chairman Dick Williams tiind Director Jon Born.
MEMBERS ABSENT; Alan Brass, Janes Guddal
OTHERS PRESENT. Chuck Dillerud, Comiliunity Development Director, Mary Seibold, Councilittan
MINUTES
Theminutes of the April S 1578: and the April 25, 1'378 minutes wure approved as published. i'shed.
PLANNING PROCESS
Chuck Dillerud appeared before the, Con nission and reviewed foto the new, conuni'ssioners the
planning process:, new platted and unplatted areas., The Commissioners had the opportunity
to ask questions of Mr. Dillerud. The Commission thanked Mr. Dillerud for attending the
meeting and for all his help and wished him well in his future job.
PARS DEDICATIONFUND, CASH -IN' -LIEU
The Conaaission reviewed the pari dedication memo which was distributed with the agenda.
Cogvnissioner Getten moved and Commissioner Threinen seconded a motion foil staff to prepare
a report comparing the park dedication fees based on the proposed increases and report
the findings at the next meeting. Motion carric-I,
BOAT LAUNCH EAST MEDICINE LADE PARK
Jon Born informed the Commission that the City may have a responsibility for a boat launch
facility on. Medicine lake. Due to a controversy related to a hand acquisition grant
application, the City has entered into discussion with the Department of Natural Resources
and the Hennepin County Park Reserve District relative to design, location, developmental
costs and operation costs as well as policies. Should a launch facility be placed upon
City of Plymouth property, said facility will be temporary u,n.til Pennepin County Park
Reserve District develops its launch facility in its proposed Medicine Lake Regional Park..
OAKWOOD C0*1.1 TY PLAYFIELDS
Chairman. Williams reported on the Oakwood Community Playfield negotiations, The basic
agreement is 'intact except for a fete minor changes to be dealt with during final negotia-
tions, Discussion was held on the following. 1) letting the National Guard help do the
grading., 2) Citizen participation for project development (watering, planting, sodding) 3) Bidding out entire community playfield project of multiple sites 4) Research staged
development,
The following motions were made for the respective playfield sites proposed
Commissioner Threinen moved and Commissioner Troemel seconded a motion to approve the
modified concept plan as amended andpresented and to acquire the 17.83 acres identified
on the OaKwood site concept at a cost not to exceed $1,500 per acre. Commissioner Rice
moved and Commissioner Getten seconded a motion; to amend the foregoing motion, and further
as a mechanism of cost containment and as a strategy for rapid development, the Park and
Recreation Advisory Commission encourages the City Council to utilize the National Guard'
to collJuct preliminary grading on the project site. Original motion and amendedmotion
carried•
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Commissioner Terry moved. and Comrrissioner Rice seconded a motion to approve concept designs
and geographic locations of LaConiote Green Park, Plymouth Junior High and further than the
concept design for the Fernbrook lane site reflects an appropriate use for the site.
Cont dssioner Edwards moved and Commissioner Terry seconded a mo4-ion to amend the foregoing
motion, and further to encourage a phased approach to the development of the. Plytttouth. Junior
High School site compatable to geographic and cou'auni ty playfield needs, Original motion.
and amended notion carried.
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE
Commissioner Terry ntovedand Comiissioner Troemal seconded a motion that the Park and
Recreation Advisory Commission approve the Comprehensive Plan materials relatiig to the
range of pari: acres per 1000 population and the range of sizes for typical parks and to
forward this recotmrendatioil to the Planning Commission for consideration. Motion carried.
14ALKINIG NEIGHBORHOODS
report on walking neighborhood populations were presented as an information item,.
ADJOURNMENT
beingno further~ business the meeting was addourned at 11:30 pm..
CITY OF PLYMOUTH
3025 HARBOR LANE, PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA 55.1'
TELEPHONE (512) 559-2800
MEMO
DATE:; May 30, 1978
TO: park: and Recreation Advisory Commission
FROM; Ion J. Born, Director of Parks and Recreation
SUBJECT; Council. Action of May 15, 1978
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Attachwnts l and 2 illustrate action taken by the Plymouth City Council on May
15, 1978 relative to Community Playfields (A-1), Park Dedication Cash -in -lieu.
fees (A-2) and Green Oaks Park Expansion (A-3).
Resolution 78-288 approves the concept plan for the Oakwood School community
pMan urther directs staff tj proceed with site acquisition.
Resolution 78-289 approves the concept plan for Central Park, Phase 1.
Resolution 78-290 approves the concept plan for LaCompte Green Park and further
designates the par as a neighborhood"park as opposed to a community playfield..
Resolution 78-2911 approves the concept plan for Plymouth -Junior High School..
Resolution 78-292 revises park dedication fees, cash -in -lieu from VIM to $275
per , 19denntt a -T unit and from $500 to $850 per acre per industrial/commercial
leveb-_vment.
Resolution 78-293 approves the Green Oaks Park expansion proposal (Option al)
where5y- an-imdepuhdent contractor and the City by force account labor will
complete the expansion of the park site as proposed in attachment 02'.
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Manager Willis introduced the Preliminary reports for corimiunity
playfields: at Oakwood School and. Central Park. Engineer Olson
reviewed the plans in detail.
MOTIal was mwde> by Councilmember Seibold, seconded by Council-
merber Spaeth, to adopt RESOLUTION NO. 78-288, A RESOLUTION
APPROVING CONCEPT PLAN FOR A COMMUNITY PLAYFIEID AT THE OAKWOOD
ELEMENTARY SCHOOL SITE.
Motion carried on. a RollCall vote,, five ayes.
MOTION was made; by Council member Seibold, seconded b`r. Council--
mer Spaeth, to direct staff to proceed with the acquisition
of the property at the Oakwood .site from School District No.,
284 imared ately.
Motion carried, five ayes.
MOTION was.. made by Councilmember Seibold, seconded by Council
member Neils, to adopt RESOLUTION NO. 78-289, A RESOLUTION
APPROVING CONCEPT PLAN: FOR PHASE I CENTRAL PARK, DATED ;AY S,
1978.
Motion carried on a Roli Call vote, four ayes. Councilmember.
Spaeth voted nay.
Park Director Born reviewed the proposed plan for upgrading
LaCompte Park. T-,are was discussion of whether there was
adequate area at LaCompte to provide a community playfield.
NOTIO4'.was made by Councilrember Seibold; seconded by Mayor
Hunt, to adopt; RESOLUTION NO. 78-290, A RESOLUTION APPROVING
CONCEPT PLAN FOR LA COMPTE•PARK AND DESIGNATING THE AREA AS A
NEIGHBORHOOD PARK.
Motion carried on. a Roll Call vote, four ayes. Couneilmember,
Spaeth. abstained..
Manager Willis reviewed the proposed plan for Plymouth Junior
High School.
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RESOLUTION NO. 78-2,1
APPROVING CGt'iCEn1 G,
FOR COMMUNITY PLAY -
FIELD OtKWOOD SCHOOL
SITE
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RESOLUTION NO. 78-28'
APPROVING CONCEPT K;i
CENTRAL PAR} PHASE I
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RESOLUTION NO. 78-,29e
PPR DING CONCEPT PL
LA COMPTE PARK
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MOTION was made by Cou*ilmember Seibold, seconded by Council- RESOLUTION NO. 78-291
member Hoyt, to adopt RESOLUTION NO. 78-291, A RESOLUTIONP ROV: N CONCEPT_PL.'r
APPROVING CONCEPT PLAN FORA C(XIMUNITY PLAYFIELD AT THE PLYMOUTH PLYMOUTH JR
JR. HIGH SCHOOL. SITE. Item6,-J
Motion carried on a Roil Call vote, five ayes..
MOTION was made.. by Counciliramber Neils, seconded by Councilmember
Hoyt, to direct staff to look for a regional playfield site south
of Highway 55 and east of I-494 to replace LaCompte Park: givin-
consideration to St. Mary of the Lakeand. Ridgemount as possible
sites.
Motion carri:ed,, five ayes.
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Ed Ginsbach, president of District 284 Softball Association,
spoke of the need for playfields in Plywouth.
Gory Engel, Minnetonka Athletic Association, spoke of the
immediate need for additional playfields at. the Oakwood site
and offered the assistance of his organization in developing
the. fields.
Council discussed Various means of financing additional com
mwity playfields„
MOTION was made by Counci l,rue;rher Seibold,, seconded, by Council -
member, ouncilmemberHoyt, to direct staff to begin to lay the groun6,4,ork for
a bond issue by referenda, for the development of cornuni y
playfields., with the assustance of the Park and Recreation
Advisory Co nris,sion, and to develop a mini -plan to satisfy the
immediate needs for playfields with minitral expenditures, including
the expanding use of neighborhood parks for organized tears and.
maximizing, existing resources until sores permanent facilities
are available and return to Council with such plan at, the May 22
special Council meeting.
Motion carried, five. ayes.
MOTION was made by Counciltramber Spaeth, seconded by Council -
member Neils, to adopt RESOLUTION NO.. 78-292, A RESOLUTION
1ENDING RCESOLUTIOt`i NO. 74--51 REVISING PARK DEDICATION STANDARDS
AND 'GUIDELINES FOR DEDICATION OF. LAND OR FEES IN LIEU OF SUCH
DOICATION.
Motion carred.on a Roll Call vote, five ayes.
MOTION was made by Councilmember Spaeth, seconded by Council -
member Seibold, to direct staff to apply the revised fee schedule
to all plats not in the final platting, stage.
MOTIal TO A,,END was made by Councilinember Seibold, seconded by
Councilmember Spaeth, to include any final plats approved at
this meeting in the above motion.
Motion to amend carried, five ayes.
Main motion carried, as amended, five ayes.
MOTION was made by Councilmember Spaeth, seconded by Council -
member Hoyt, to adapt RESOLUTION NO, 78-293, A RESOLUTION
APPROVING GREEN OAKS PARK EXPANS191 AS PROPOSED IN OPTION #1
in the Park Director's memorandum dated May 8, 1978 at an
estimated cost of $3,040.
Motion carried on a Roll Call vote, five ayes.
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RESOLUTION NO. 78«2t
ENDINGRES.t1LUT IU ;
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PARK DEDICATION, FEE
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RESOLUTION NO. 78-? jw
OPROVINIG GREET OAKS
EXPANSION -OPTION l
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3025 HAi111OR LANE, PL'YN40UTH, MINNESOTA 55441
TELEPHONE: (612) 559-2600
QATE May A. 1978
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TO: Jairies G. Willis, City Manager
FROM: Jon J. Born, Director of Parks and Recreation
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SUB.l M Green Oak.; Park Expansion. Proposal
In October, 1977 staff presented to Coun;il a proposal to dispose (through :vacation)
excess land Zircon Lane at 25th Avenue North Greentree West (A-40), Council
rejected the: proposal and directed staff to review development concepts for the
western,expansion of Green Oaks Park to encompass said "excess" land.
kehrman, Chapman and. Associates, Inc.: were i nstr•ucted to prepare concepts to reelect
the proposed. expansion,. I selected one concept for the preparation of cost estimates,.
Concept selection rias based upon the criteria of cost, enginecMng-dynami1cs for
bormw acid fill, hydraulic dynainics for surface water runoff, aesthetics and time
required for development/construction. The City Engineer revie ted the concepts a„d
selection criteria and supported my, choice of development concepts for expansion of
Green Oaks Park and tlehrrnan, Chapman and Associates, Inc. were instructed to obtain
cost estimates from the contractor (All American Recreation. and Sales; Inc.) for
the, additional development/construction work at Geen Oaks Park.
Attachment 1 illustrates the area proposed for expansion at Green Oaks Park while
Attachment 2,A and G illustrates the cost estimates prepared for the expansion.
Attacir.m.nt 3 illustrates correspondence dated January 31, 1978,from Wehrran Chapman
and Associates, Inc. suinnari'zing the cost estimates and offering recomimendations
as to methods of completion to reduce the estimated costs.
The City Engineer and Ihave reviewed the cost estimates and do not believe the type,
scope and magnitude of the work proposed justify the cost. estimates prepared by the
contractor. The City Engineer believes that there are several viable alternatives.
which will produce the desired product at a lower cost than estimated by All American
Recreation .and. Sales, Inc.
1) Bid the ~cork out as an indi idual project by the. City with some work beings done
by force account.
7) Bid out all work as a separate project.
3J Have the City do the work with force account.1abor.
4 Bid out the expansion work at the same time as the Community Playfields.
Option l is viable if the City desires to use the combination of a private contract
with the force' account:.
Option 2 is viable if the City desires to contract the project F--* a; soinewbat higher
cost than if option 1 is, selected.,
Option 3 is viable if the City had certain pieces of earth nrovi'ng ecjuipment but
since the City does not have these pieces of eguipm-nt, T reconv iend against this option,
O', t on 4 i s viable i f the City were i n a position to bid the Cott-nuni ty Pl.ayf i el ds in
tfe near future. Since the City is not in. a bidding position, I recciamend a( ainst
Option. 4.
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Pay,, 8t 1978
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The following chart illustrates the cost estimated for the respective options:
METHOD OF COi PLETIOtI ESTIMATED COST
All American Recreation and Sales, Inc. 26,504 A -
2,200 $28,704
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Option -*2 9,
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Option #3 Force Account unknown
Option -T*F4 Bid out with Cor munity Pl ayfi el ds unknown
The ise ghbo-hood Parks Account as of 2/28/78, reflects a deficit balance of $25,238.
I recon:i:end Option 11 whereby Green Oaks Park, is developed cooperatively between
a private contractor (of the City's choice) and force account labor and materials..
Input given to me by Parks hiai.ntenance and Public V!orks staff indicate that this
option is the least expensive and •rill produce a park site development quicker than
other options. suggested.,
Option #1 has an estimated cost of $3,040 with -breakdown of costs as follows:
Private Contractor $1,100 - Cut. and fill as required to grade: existing, site to
proposed grade elevations as per plans dated november 21, 1977 and prepared by
Nehraian, Chapman and Associates, Inc.
Force recount $1,940 - Fine grading, seeding, fertilizer Sod as required, trail
work, culverts.
Option 711 does not include approximately $3,000 worth of trees which can and should
be: transplanted this Fall, 1978 in. a reforestation p;ogram. Parks, Maintenance and
Public Works staff indicate that once approval is granted, and a, contractor is
connii .ted to the %cork, said a -ori: could be completed .;ithin a U.o.week period of time
dependinS upon the contractor, weather and equipment.
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Mr -i"I 1`rrrTU ' 1111111i t specificafions and estimates for Park Site in, As Fol.lot s;
Gut & ,fill as re uired to grade, cxistin site, to proposed grade elevations as per o lai2
dated November 1977 and: prepared. Ley ehman, ChaL<aan Associates, Inc.
2.) Furnish, install and finish grade apprc%ximately. 940-C.y. topsoil over nets grades.
3.) Furnish and install app roxximateir r 50 -tons of 1;.11 stone- material.,
1{•) Furnish and, install appr oxi.wat.oly 1, 50J sod, t:ttcr and Maintain sartl^ so3, aw a.
Period of 30-d rs spay ., From. om zn,t:tllation. .
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5.) Furnish., seed, mulch "- d Fertilizer for ? 76 acres. place seed as per plans and
spscifications ppoY:ided for original project site nothing. 1;at.er and rluintain same
seeded areas for a priori, of 30 -days, from date of installation."
i-urnivh and install plantings as par plans dated 11ovembt r 21, 1977• ;ater and maintain
same plantings for the duration of the 1978 gror;9.ng, season.
Furnish and install 32-L. F. of 1211 culvert with apron and, Crush guard.
NOTE: All above utork trill conform, to: stand lyds as required in original specifications
dated 'Feb. 11 1977for Flpicluth t cighborhood earl:. Site Improvements.
Fsta.ttiated co:zoletion date for above ;:oris is June 1, 1978.
We licrebij' 3yilt tosi* to fklrntsh labor and. materials; complarte in accordance with the IIbove specifications, for the
Sum of s 1'i•'enty-Si , Thousand, Fiv-?=undied, Four and C AI UO dollars (S20',504.00)
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We ?semi% j 3 U[TTllit a pocifications. and estilnatos for Fara Site: rrovcrtents As Follows:
1.) Remove, approxL,: ately 1 5-L. F., of 8' %•ride aslihaIt trail .from park side.
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2.) ,RaivY grades aDaroxir,tltc1,y 1C" un ler old trail, for nc,i proposed asphalt trail.
3.) Furnish and. install Class--' material and now asphalt for trail#, as per specification -3
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ltilr Berttig 1,1l'l IMISP to furnish litbor tAnd mat.crials•completo in itccorditnce with the above specifict•ttions, for the
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Mr. Jon Born, 1X34
Director of Parks end Recreation
City of Plymouth ti 1978 'o
3025 Harbor Lane
Minnesota 5541 CRCYr nu Plymouth, M
Re: Green Oaks Park Expansion a Lit
All-American Recreation and Sales, Inc. Proposal'
Dear Jon;
Enclosed find two propostils for expansion ofthe above indicated pari- as per drawing
prepared by W.C.A. Inc. The proposed marked "" is in the amount of $26,50==1.00.
In our judgement, tho benefit to the City relative to the proposed cost is not Nvan•anted.
We do feel, ho,vever, that the proposed method of solving the drainage problem from
the north is still tne best solution and should be accomplished very soon.
We suggest the following design compromise. -
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ompromise:
1. Modify the grading plan to ci'law en site balancing of cut and fill.
In so doing, it will no doubt 6e: necessary, to m-)dify the present earth
mound immediately east of the expansion area.
2. Reduce the topsoil depth and provide only enough for a minimum seed
bed, ona.
3. Reduce the proposed planting; by upproximately one-Y`alf.
We estimate the above sugcgesfed modifications to result in a reduction of approximately
8,000 to $1.0,000.
Under narmal circumstencas, Jon, 1 would not make lhie above suggestions. This section,
of the park, howe.var, is somewhat delached from the park proper c=ad therefore: may not
worrnnt as high, a degree of developmen1.
The proposai marl -cd "B" ($2,200.00) is for modiRcations of the bituminous walkway. We
suggest that the proposal be rejected entirely and the walk remain.1s is.
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During our phare conversation loday yov requested an esi' mate for field engineering relative
to G,:cen Coks Park expcnsion, Not knowing exactiy what is to bt construeed makes
determining a fee somewhat difficult. We osl-imGte however, that undo- normal circumstances
our fee would be approximately $300.00.
Please contact me if y;wish to.discuss this matter in more detail.
Sincerely,
WEHQMA -•'C A h4AN ASSOC1AiESS INC.
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Vice Presi4ant
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ITY OP PLYMOUTH
3025 HARBOR LANE, PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA 55441
TELEPHONE (612) 559=2800
DATE: May 30, 191
MEMO
TO: Park and Recreation Advisory Commission
FROM: Jon J. Bots, Director of Parks and Recreation
SUBJECT: Four Seasons Letter
As m information item,, I Stn enclosing a letter from Bill fey and other citizens.
who reside in the area of the Four Seasons -Meadow Lawn Park.
Thei.r concerns apparently relate. to problems identified as far back as 1974..
Greg Franzen and I attempted to meet. with Bill Fey or the site but Bill was not
able to keep the appointment. Greg and I will ende4vor to rectify the problems
to the best of our abilities.
Born
Director of Parks and Recreation
January 13, 1978
Pork; b Recreation Advisory Commission
RECEIVED
City Of Plinkuth
Mr. Dick Williams, Chairman
c/o ^ity Hall
3025 Harbor Lane
Plymouth, Minnesota 55441Ap1
Re: Meadow Lawn Neighborhood Park n RSC 3
Skating i=aci l ities d Other Amenities4A p-
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Dear Committee Members:
The history of the ice skating facility at Meadow Park and the
pedestrain walkway is a long series of non-priort-ized and
poorly executed improvements.
We, the undersigned, do not feel that it is right and proper for
a community to install a short-term facility to be used only
approximately two months each year, and treat it with so little
attention as to produce a visual eyesore that must be tolerated
by the nearby residents the year around. Inadequate drainage
provisions are producing a condition where the walkway is
gradually deteriorating. The underground drainage system is
undoubtedly filling up with sediment and is becoming less effective
each year.
We point out that this facility was brought up to the Parks and
Recreation Committee in the early summer of 1974. At that time,.
It was both graphicaAly and verbally described as to its visual
and functional attributes including the need for concern over
Improving the drainage.. The (then) Committee agreed with the
concept and promised to dedicate future funds and attention to the
stated goals. The intervening years have produced little towards
achieving these goals.
If the recent "improvements" to the skating facility are an example
of what the Committee believes appropriate and adequate, then the
1974 goals will never materialize and we wish to make known our
disagreement with. that kind of outcome.
We respectfully request your consideration and attention to what
we consider primary needs for immediate improvemer,t.
1. Besides Increased recreational activity,, there are more
and more children using the walkway as a route; to school
and the drainage has become worse each year. There is a
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strong need, for a. competent engi-neering study to be under-
taken immediately so that improvements can be made before
further deterioration of the walksystem takes place. Standing
water many times durl-ig the summer months makers the walks
impassable, prevents mowing properly, harbors mosquitoes and
Is contributing to the disintegraticn of the walk itself.
This was pointed out lo the then Director for Parks and
Recreation in 1974.. The raw earth over a period of time
has undoubtedly contributed to the drain system becoming
partially filled with sediment. Something positive and
permanent should be done about this without delay.
2. For the third time in four years the free skating rink has
been regraded - each time after the ground has been partially
frozen. The skating area itself is very imperfect and the
shoulder berms are mostly rough clods of earth which will
again produce nothing but weeds; impossible to mow and main-
tain in any desirable fashion. Please have some experienced
contractor return in the Spring, of 1978 and do a proper job
of shaping this area with a smooth border berm uniform in
height all around, There should be at least two "'ports" for
rater drainage out of the rink in the summer months which can
be quickly filled each Fall in preparation for the new skating
season. The berm should be sodded and the remainder of the
area seeded. Some kind of on-going care should be provided to
be sure the grass takes hold and wins its battle with the
weeds: this time.
3. The increased used of the hockey rink for organized play has
had its expected effect of diverting more free skaters over to
the free skating area.. The only reason it was not used. to a
great extent in the past was because of poor light. Recently
one additional light head was added to the existing single
pole. This is in contrast to many lights and many poles for
the hockey rink. One additional pole at the westerly end of
the free skating rink should be added and the light coverage
doubled over what it is now to reach a desirable level. of
hospitable and equal treatment for the free skaters.
4. Restrict the parking from adjacent rinks. The same rules that
apply to not driving on the property in the summer months
should be enforced during the winter months as well.
We ask your consideration on the following on-going, and no less
important, needs which have received little, if any, attention since
the 1974 Interchange of ideas, goals, needs and commitment between
the residents and the Committee.
1. Start a plan to upgrade the appearance of the warming house
structure itself, with screened -in enclosures to.hide elements
such as gas tanks and other equipment. There is at least one
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Instance in 'I -he summer of 1977 where a 4 year old hurt
himself climbing on the gas tank.
2. Start a program of tree and shrubbery planting that would
be on a modest scale but sufficient to soften the edges
of this short-term type of facility.
3. Set up a program to clean up and repair the facility and clean
up the grounds each spring. Keep the area reasonably well
mowed during the summer months.
We make these requests in the belief that the City of Plymouth is
growing and developing each year. It is time to set some standards
of excellence which will become a prototype for other facilities
so that there is a level of acceptable appeal to everyth i rig that
Plymouth build's. The Meadow Park facilities today appear to us to be
less than what they could be because of lack of prior planning and
something less than appropriate control in the execution of Intended
improvements.
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CITY OF PLYMOUTH
3025 HARBOR LANE, PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA', 55441
TELEPHONE, (612) 559-2800
DATE: May 30, 1978 MEMO
TO: Park and Recreation Advisory Commission
FROM: Jon J. Born, Director of Parks and Recreation
SUBJECT: Mini Plans, to Satisfy Playfield Needs
On May 15, 1978, Council directed that the Park and Recreation Advisory CommIssion
and staff develo,? a mini plan to satisfy the immediate needs for playfields with
minimal expendt4.ures.
With the Park. and Recreation Advisory Commission's assistance, staff will set up
a special Park and Recreation Advisory Commission meeting in June to visit with
the athletic associations to help determine their facility needs. Such a meeting
could be handled in either one or two evenings. I have no preference.
Given input from the respective athletic associations, we can provide Council with
the informaticn they have requested given the ability to identify needs in comparison
to existing facilities.
OAC
JWJ. 86rn
Director of Parks and Recreation
CITY OF PLYMOUTH
3025 HARBOR LANE' + PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA 55441
TELEPHONE (612) 569-2800
DATE 30,11978
MEMO
TO Park and. Recreation: Advisory Comtriss,on
FROM: Jon J. Bore„ Director of Parks and Recreation
SUBJECT: Council Directive Playfield Locations
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On May 15, 1978 Council directed that a regional community playfield be identified
in the area south of HighwV 55 and east of 494 to replace LaCoMr*-"e Green Park
giving consideration to St. Marysof the Lake and Ridgemoun.t. aur' gh School as
possible sites.
Attachment #1 is a map illustrating the proposed community playfields by location
within the driving nevi>ghborhoods as adopted in the comprehensive plan of 1973 with
a narrative update in 1975. Due to availability of land and development considerations,
I: have recommended three alternative or supplemental sites.
lfitil the comprehensive, plan is completed, Council needs input. fm -m the Park and
Recreation Advisory Comitission and staff as to potential community playfield site
locations. Lacking any t evised materials from 1973 and 1975, I am recommending
that the locations proposed; in Attachment #1 be accepted.as potential community
playfield sites. It is appropriate for the Park and Recreation Advisory Commission.
to support this recommendation and forward the same to Council for consideration
jgm J. Bern
Director of Parks ar+d.Recreation
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CITY OF PLYMOUTH
3025 HARBOR LANE, PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA 55441
TELEPHONE i612i 559,2800
DATE; May 30, 1978
DEMO
To Park and Recreation Advisory Commission
PROW Jon J. Born, Director of Parks and Recreation
JSUBJECTz
Pilgrim Lane Volleyball Courts
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Attachment 01 illustrates a request for court maintenance and improvements to the
Pilgrim Lane ElemenW_y volleyball courts. I do not disagree with the maintenance
request but take issue in that the facility as developed is being used by a group
of 50-60 persons acting on a, independent basis for volleyball games and tournaments.
The games draw persons from the entire Twin City area and the tournaments attract
persons from out of state. The courts at Pilgrim Lane, Elementary School are the
only such courts in the Twin City area. The facility has been used on this basis
in 1976 and 1977.
W first reaction is to have the maintenance done. but disallow the use: of the
facility by this group of persons on thi basis that neighborhood parks are not::
intended for this type or degree of scheduled use.
I ani requesting the. Park and Recreation Advisory Commission's input into this matter.
0Boon
Director of Parks anal Recreation
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Plymouth. Park Dept.
3,025 Harbor Lane,
Plymouth, Minnesota may 10* 1978
rot volleyball courts at Pilgram Lane E.Xemer tary
Mr. Born i
Volleyball is an obscure sport with not many participants
and even fewer spectators, however it does demand a
modest amount of space and equipment. With that in mind,,
we, the people who have uied the facilities at Pilgram
Lane Elementary School# greatly appreciate the sand
volleyball courts and we do our best totake. care of them.
However* after several years of use some minor repairs
are needed whichare beyond our capabilities. To provide
safe.playing conditions, the courts need to be graided or
leveled and an additional 1-3 inches of sand, to cover
the nowexposed bard clay bLau. These, maintenance items
should not be considered as improvemetits but should be
budgeted along with the seasonal rrcoming or care as
given to other facilities such as softball fields.
Right now Plymouth has the best outdoor volleyball facility
and the most used, the state of Minnesota. Because of this
it draws people from Duluth,, St. Cloud, Fargog, Northfieldo
and all of the metro area to play doubles* two people per
side. The volleyball, that iaplayed is bard bitting power
ball by both men, and, wxmn,. The people are players from,
high schoo.".0 college, park boardo and USVBA teams, who
wish to play year round and improve thAr skills. All
of,this leads to the,best,beach boubles in the upper
midwest*
rita to both you and your secratary on tf—. telephone
an was, a question as to Use Of the courds scheduled.
tournaments,, 1, went back through my records for last
summer to see 'how often the courts were used, for tournaments
and when they were used fcr pick-up play, From the last
week of May to the first week of September# :even Saturday
tournaments.were held, 3 mens, 3mixedp and i womeus.
On Thursday evening, and Sunday afternoons thAr was pick-up
play (Play two 11 point games then. sit out until a -court was
open againj usually 30 minutes). On the weekends people.
would bring lawn chairs, coolers, and.suntan lotion for a
day of volleyball in the sun,. Only once. during the past,
summer were the court.s. used by local residents as far as I
know. At any other -,,7-me thier was no community "aterest
in who was using the courts, except the local kids who
use the courts for building sand castles.
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Agan we; recognize the fact that the facilities are community
oriented, but unlike the high demand for, tennis courts, the
only, users of' the Plymouth volleyball courts are serious.
volleyball players wry come from all over the metro area
to play the best volleyball around, We have considered
holding a. fund raising tournament do the mainxenance
required, but we can only raise a portion of the monies
heeded, therefor we are seeking your help.
I hope that. Plymouthwill, continue to be the summer volleyball
ideal in Minnesota and provide a standard for, other communities
to nmula,te. Also, r hope this letter has answeredd some of
you";k questions and will guide you and. your staff in your
decisions. If you have any anther, questions or would like to
meet with us please give me a call.
Thank, You or
Randall L, Ayshford
1510 Fast Hennepin Ave*
Minnempolis, Hn55434
ph 373-1770
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