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CITY COUNCIL INFORMATIONAL MEMORANDUM
February 22, 1985
UPCOMING MEETINGS AND EVENTS......
1. JOINT COMMUNITY DEVELPMENT TASK FORCE/COUNCIL MEETING -- Monday,
February 25 the Council and Community Development Task Force will
meet to discuss the final report and recommendations of the Task
Force relative to the Fiscal Impact Study. Dinner will be served at
5:30 p.m., with the meeting beginning at 6:00 p.m.
2 PLYMOUTH FORUM -- Monday, February 25, 7:00 p.m. Plymouth Forum in
City Council conference room.
2. SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING -- Monday, February 25, 7:30 p.m. Special
Council meeting in City Council Chambers.
3. PLANNING COMMISSION -- Wednesday, February 27. The Planning
Commission will meet at 7:30 p.m. in the City Council Chambers.
Agenda attached.
4. TWINWEST CHAMBER LEGISLATIVE BREAKFAST -- Friday, March 1, 7:30
a.m. at the Golden Valley House, 4820 Olson Highway.
5. N.W. SUBURBS LEGISLATIVE BREAKFAST MEETING -- Saturday, March 2,
8:00 a.m. at the Maple Grove Fire Station. A copy of the agenda is
attached.
FOR YOUR INFORMATION......
1. MUNICIPAL LEGISLATIVE COMMISSION - LOCAL GOVERNMENT AID -- Thursday
afternoon the Municipal Legislative Commission Board of Directors
met in Edina to discuss the MLC's position with regard to local
government aid (LGA). Discussion centered around the issue of
whether or not to basically support the policy of the League of
Minnesota Cities at this time, recognizing that the LGA position is
still very fluid in the legislature. Concern had been expressed by
some that certain supporters of the League of Cities policy would be
"Jumping ship" if the MLC did not take some affirmative steps to
support the League's policy position. Following considerable
discussion the MLC Board adopted a policy position which is
attached. The policy essentially confirms the MLC's LGA principles,
but does support the League of Cities proposal with some qualifi-
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cation. The major qualification is based upon our understanding
that the Governor's 4.5% increase in LGA is substantially below the
minimum threshold acceptable to many members of the League of
Cities. Because of this, we anticipate that the League's policy
will not survive as communities seek to grab all the LGA that may
become available. In addition the House is not anticipated to adopt
an LGA formula providing for any increase beyond the $265 million
level for 1985. Representative Schreiber, in a meeting this past
week, indicated to us that it was his view that the first priority
of the House should be to make significant reductions in the State's
personal income tax, secondly, to revise the property classification
system so as to provide additional property tax relief, and thirdly,
review the LGA question. It was his position that he did not
anticipate any action on the LGA matter for at least a month.
2. CABLE T.V. FRANCHISE -- Thursday morning the Northwest Suburbs Cable
Communications Commission received a report dealing with the request
of Storer Cablevision to sell their assets to Hauser Communications
Company. An economic feasibility study had been performed for the
Commission by Touche Ross. A copy of that study is attached. Mr.
Gus Hauser also presented to the Commission his request for certain
amendments to the present franchise agreement. A copy of his letter
of February 12 outlining these changes is attached. He is asking
essentially three changes: 1) an increase in the basic service
rate from $8.45 to $10.45 per month; 2) permission to deactivate the
"B" cable and to hereafter install only a single cable until such
time as a dual cable system is warranted and/or economically
feasible; and 3) change the local origination and community access
provisions of the franchise so as to relieve the cable operator of
substantial responsibility. The Commission followinq these presen-
tations voted to reactivate the Negotiating Committee of which I am
Chair. The Committee will hold its initial meeting next Tuesday
morning at 8:00 a.m. at the Plymouth City Center. A public hearing
on the requested transfer of the franchise will be held at 8:00
p.m. Thursday at the Crystal City Hall. Following that public hear-
ing, the Negotiating Committee will continue to meet with Mr. Hauser
in an effort to arrive a mutually satisfactory understanding with
respect to possible changes in the franchise ordinance. The Council
may recall that the franchise ordinance requires that any amendments
to it be adopted by an unanimous vote. I will provide the Council
with information as this matter continues to evolve.
3. FINAL REPORT ON MEDICINE LAKE ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS -- The Public
Safety Department reports a total of 17 law enforcement personnel,
including 10 from the Hennepin County Water Patrol, 2 from the
Department of Natural Resources, 1 narcotics investigator, 2
Hennepin County Park Rangers, and 2 Plymouth police officers
conducted enforcement efforts on Friday, February 8, 1985. A total
of 15 juveniles were tagged for alcohol offenses, 8 drivers for
careless driving on the lake, and another 10 miscellaneous verbal
warnings given. The bulk of the individuals tagged were not
Plymouth residents. The Water Patrol has agreed to continue a
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Page 3
routine patrol of the lake primarily on the weekends. The Public
Safety Department indicates that if activity levels continue another
saturation detail will be conducted.
4. PLYMOUTH METROLINK - JANUARY REPORT -- Show below is a table
displaying our average daily ridership for the commuter/ reverse
commuter, internal circulator and total system for each week of
January. The second table displays the year to date averages in
each service area compared with the target which we must achieve in
order to have a successful project.
MONTHLY
PLYMOUTH METROLINK
DAILY RIDERSHIP AVERAGES BY WEEK BY SERVICE TYPE
JANUARY 1985
Total
System
SERVICE TYPE
Commuter/
Internal
Total
TARGET
288
Reverse Commuter
Circulator
System
WEEK OF:
+104%
+14%
1/2 - 1/6
298
74
372
1/7 - 1/13
310
51
361
1/14 - 1/20
308
36
344
1/21 - 1/27
305
55
360
1/28 - 1/31
312
39
351
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MONTH LONG
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AVERAGE
307
51
358
YEAR TO DATE
Item
Commuter/
Reverse Commuter
Internal
Circulator
Total
System
YEAR TO DATE
RIDERSHIP AVERAGE
307
51
358
TARGET
288
25
313
% OVER/(UNDER)
TARGET
+ 7%
+104%
+14%
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INFORMATIONAL MEMORANDUM
1985
5. MINUTES -- The following minutes are attached:
a. Planning Commission - February 13, 1985
b. Park and Recreation Advisory Commission - February 14, 1985
6. 1984 PRAC ANNUAL REPORT -- The 1984 Park and Recreation Advisory
Commission Annual Report is attached for your review.
7. RESIGNATION - Al Kleinbeck, Chief Building Official, resigned from
the City effective February 22 after 7 years to return to work for
the State of Minnesota as a building code consultant. This is
primarily the same position he held with the State before he came to
work for Plymouth.
8. LAKE MINNETONKA WATER QUALITY PROGRAM -- A seminar entitled, "A
Historical View of Water Quality in Lake Minnetonka" will be held
Tuesday, March 5, 7:30 - 9:30 p.m. at the Gray Freshwater Biological
Institute. Topics to be addressed include the use of copper sulfate
in Lake Minnetonka, the impact of sewage diversion projects and
comparisons of past and present water quality. The program is
sponsored by the Institute, the Freshwater Society and co-sponsored
with the Minnetonka, Orono, Wayzata and Westonka Community
Services/Education Departments. Cost: is $2.00, payable at the
door. Further information on the seminar can be found on the
attached flyer.
9. COUNCIL FOLLOW-UPS:
a. AREA 5 TOWN MEETING FEEDBACK -- Resident feedback forms
submitted at the February 19 Town Meeting are attached for your
information.
b. Lois Seeger, 3300 Queensland Lane -- In the attached letter
dated February 8, 1985 from Lois eeger, she states her concern
with respect to the speed zone signing on Vicksburg Lane. Ms.
Seeger feels the speed zone signs along Vicksburg Lane do not
provide warning to motorists of the speed limit change at County
Road 6. The City Manager's response is attached.
c. Richard Weber, 15435 County Road 15 -- Attached is a letter from
Mr. Richard Weber stating his concern with traffic safety on
County Road 15. Mr. Weber's son was injured last October on
County Road 15 when he either walked or ran into the side of a
moving vehicle. A copy of the City Manger's letter to Mr. Weber
is attached.
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February 22, 1985
Page 5
10. EMPLOYEE RECOGNITION -- The following correspondence has been
received concerning Plymouth employees:
a. Letter of appreciation from Bonnie McKinney, 1615 Fernbrook Lane
for assistance she received from Larry Plack after a fire at her
residence.
b. Letter from a Plymouth resident expressing appreciation to the
City and Milt Dale for the rehabilitation program.
c. Letter of appreciation from David Lee Funeral Home to Plymouth
Police Department for their help in providing traffic control
during the funeral services at the Wayzata High School for
teachers Bill Koski and Bob Miggins.
d. Letter to Frank Boyles from Councilmember Maria Vasiliou
commending Frank for his professionalism and effective
representation of the City.
e. Letter to Laurie Houk from Councilmember Maria Vasiliou comment-
ing on the recent article in the Plymouth Post featuring Laurie.
11. CORRESPONDENCE:
a. Letter from Mayor Davenport to Gene Holderness on his
resignation to the Development Council.
b. Letter to Chere Thompson, 4730 Orleans Lane, from Mayor
Davenport, on her selection by the Northwest Branch of the YMCA
as its 1984 Youth Citizen of the Year.
c. Letter to Vernon Peterson and Howard Hunt from Mayor Davenport
on the Elm Creek drainage problem.
d. Letter to Mrs. Robert Miggins from Mayor Davenport.
e. Letter to Bruce Willis, from Mayor Davenport, with respect to
Mr. Willis withdrawing his name for consideration for
appointment to the Planning Commission.
f. Letter from Sandra Gardebring, Metro Council Chair, to City
Manager thanking him for his participation on the combined sewer
overflow panel during the State of the Region event.
g. Letter from Dan Lopez, 17725 - 11th Avenue North, to
Councilmember Pat Neils, indicating his pleasure with the
effectiveness of the 2-5 a.m. parking ban ordinance.
James G. Willis
City Manager
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AGENDA
WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 27, 1985
WHERE: Plymouth City Center
3400 Plymouth Boulevard
Plymouth, MN 55447
CONSENT AGENDA
All items listed with an asterisk (*) are considered to be routine by the Planning
Commission and will be enacted by one motion. There will be no separate discussion of
these items unless a Commissioner, citizen or petitioner so requests, in which event
the item will be removed from the consent agenda and considered in normal sequence on
the agenda.
1. CALL TO ORDER
2. ROLL CALL
3. CONSENT AGENDA
*4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
5. PUBLIC HEARINGS
7:30 P.M.
FEBRUARY 13, 1985
A. Holiday Station Stores, Inc. Site Plan and Conditional Use Permit for a 3,600
sq. ft. self -serve gas station and convenience store east of Nathan Lane on
Lot 2, Block 1, Rockford Square Addition (85002)
B. Burger King Corporation. Site Plan, Conditional Use Permit, and Variances for
the development of a 3,281 sq. ft. Clas II restaurant with drive-through
facility east of Nathan Lane on Lot 1, Block 1, Rockford Square Addition
(85003)
6. NEW BUSINESS
* A. Ogren Properties. Site Plan and Variance for the development of a 7,000 sq.
ft. neighborhood convenience shopping Center east of Nathan Lane on Lot 3,
Block 1, Rockford Square Addition (85006)
7. OLD BUSINESS
* A. Dale Berthiaume. MPUD Final Plan/Plat, Conditional Use Permit, Site Plan and
Variance for the construction of a 5,000 sq. ft. multi -use facility with
rental retail space and a convenience store to be located south of County Road
9 and north and east of Annapolis Lane. (84023)
* B. Dirlam Development. Revised Residential Planned Unit Development Preliminary
Plan and Plat for property located east of Vicksburg Lane and south of future
Hamel Road (84011)
8. OTHER BUSINESS
9. ADJOURNMENT 10:00 P.M.
DATE: February 20, 1985
TO: James Krautkremer, Mayor of Brooklyn Park
Richard Henneberger, City Manager of Brooklyn Park
James Deane, Mayor of Maple Grove
Douglas Reeder, City Administrator of Maple Grove
Larry Donlin, Mayor of Minnetonka
James Miller, City Manager of Minnetonka
David Davenport, Mayor of Plymouth
James Willis, City Manager of Plymouth
William Joynes, City Manager of Golden Valley
Senator James Ramstad
Senator Tad Jude
Senator William Luther
Representative Jim Heap
Representative Dale A. Clausnitzer
Representative Linda Scheid
Representative William Shcreiber
Representative Craig Shaver
FROM: Mary E. Anderson, Mayor of Golden Valley
RE: Legislative Breakfast Meeting
Saturday, March 2 - 8:00 AM
Maple Grove Fire Station
6880 Hemlock, Maple Grove, MN
AGENDA
I. Introductions
2. Funding for LRT Engineering Study: Jim Miller, Minnetonka City Manager
3. LGA - the LMC Proposal:
Robert Thistle, Coon Rapids City Manager
Diane Loeffler, LMC Legislative Representative
4. S.F. 277 - Metropolitan Government Providing for More Legislative Oversight
and Appointment o Commission airs D. Moe, Sc mitz, Wegsc ei )
General Discussion: See explanation below.
"(This) would provide that the Metropolitan Council chair, subject to coun-
cil confirmation, would appoint MWCC and RTB chairs. The bill would require
the Metropolitan Council to adopt uniform standards and procedures for codes
of ethics and for other administrative functions of the commissions as it
finds appropriate; require each commission and the RTB to submit annual
reports to the Met Council detailing their performance for the previous year
and a set of performance objectives respecting service delivery, finances,
and management that the agencies intend to meet during the subsequent year;
and require the Metropolitan Council to submit an annual report to the
legislature which includes a statement of what the council has established
as the metropolitan agenda for the year in which the report is filed, and an
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evaluation of the performance of the council with respect to the
Metropolitan Agenda for the previous year. The report would need to include
a three-year projected expenditures and revenues statement for the Met
Council and the commissions. AMM supports most provisions of this bill
based on the legislative program the membership adopted in December. The
intent of this bill is to provide more accountability and oversight of the
Metropolitan Agencies."
5. H.F. 247 - Comprehensive Plan (Olsen, Valento, McEachern, Pauly, Segal)
General Discussion: See explanation below.
"Requires adoption or amendment of comprehensive plans by two-thirds vote it
the council, instead of by majority vote. The AMM also supports this bill,
due to the problems caused by the present inconsistency between approval
requirements for comp plans and zoning changes."
6. Other.
7. Future meetings were scheduled for 8:00 AM, March 30 and May 4.
I have had some people comment that maybe Saturday is not so great. Another
thought might be to schedule the one in April for a Monday and one in May
for a Tuesday. I suggest reviewing the issue and either confirming the
Saturday schedule or setting a new one.
ME A: pb
DATE: February 20, 1985
TO: City Officials and Legislators Attending March 2 Break a-st *4ii ng
FROM: Mary Anderson, Golden Valley Mayor " 1a
RE: Agenda Item 3, LGA
March 2 is the day Golden Valley set for a team building retreat, so we are
unable to be at the legislative meeting. I have asked Bob Thistle, the
City Manager of Coon Rapids, and Diane Loef fl er, Legislative RepresentativE,
for the League of Minnesota Cities, to attend.
I would appreciate your giving them the opportunity to explain the LMC
adopted formula for LGA. Golden Valley supports this formula because it
does simplify the formula, it takes steps to control the expenditure fac-
tor, and it is a reasonable political compromise. We feel if cities are
united behind this proposal, it has a good chance at being funded at a
workable level. If cities are divided in their lobbying efforts, we feel
there is little or no chance for positive change.
MEA:pb
X. COUNTY ROAD 6 & VICKSBURG LANE -- During the past several months the
Mayor and Council have received correspondence from citizens dealing
with concern about the traffic safety at the Vicksburg Lane and
County Road 6. As a result of these letters, as well as data
generated by the City's Public Safety Department, Fred Moore
requested the Hennepin County Department of Transportation to under-
take a study of this intersection to determine whether or not
certain improvements might be warranted. Fred has received word
from the County Traffic Engineer that they have completed their
study. We have not received a formal study, however, we understand
that the County will be recommending modifications to the traffic
signal which will incorporate separate left turning movements. This
will help reduce exposure to collisions which have been experienced
at this intersection. The traffic modifications will not be under-
taken until spring because they will require repainting of existing
lanes.
2/22/84
MUNICIPAL LEGISLATIVE COMMISSION
LOCAL GOVERNMENT AID (LGA) POSITION
Whereas, the Municipal Legislative Commission has adopted principles for a
formula to distribute local government aid; and
Whereas, the League of Minnesota Cities has adopted a local government aid
formula which meets several of these principles; and
Whereas, the League of Minnesota Cities' local government aid formula is a
significant improvement over the existing local government aid formula:
Now therefore be it resolved that the Municipal Legislative Commission
endorses and supports the League of Minnesota Cities local government aid
formula distribution if fully funded; and
Be it further resolved, that distribution of any additional local government
aid funding over 1985 funding levels should be prorated against the
increases due under the fully -funded League formula.
Hauser Communications, Inc.
Gustave M. Hauser
Chairman
Chief Executive Officer
Mr. Greg Moore
Executive Director
Northwest Suburbs Cable
Communications Commission
6901 Winnetka Avenue North
Brooklyn Park, Minnesota 55428
437 Madison Avenue, New York, N.Y. 10022
212-832-8788
February 12, 1985
Re: Requested Franchise'Trahs'fer
Dear Mr. Moore:
In connection with our request that the Franchise
for the Northwest Suburbs cable television system be transferred
from Northern Cablevision Northwest (NCN) to Suburban Cablevision
Company, Limited Partnership (SCC), the Northwest Suburbs Cable
Communications Commission is being asked to take the following
actions:
1. The Commission is requested to issue, at the time
of closing of the transaction, a letter confirming to SCC and the
financing institution, The Bank of Montreal, that NCN is in
ar" compliance with the terms of the Franchise. Such a request and
the issuance of such confirmation are normal in transactions of
this type. Certain matters, such as the provision of -text,
interactive and security services, currently in compliance
because of deferrals will also require specific confirmation that
such deferral is to continue until the parties recognize that it
is technically and/or economically feasible to provide such services.
2. The Commission is requested to take appropriate
action to permit SCC to implement, thirty days following the
closing of the transaction and the transfer of the Franchise, an
increase of $2.00 in the current charge for Tier II basic service
and a $1.50 increase one year later, should SCC determine that
market conditions permit these adjustments. Also requested is an
adjustment of $3.50 in the rate for Tier I basic service, which
has very few subscribers. The effect of this action by the
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Commission is to anticipate -the effectiveness of new Federal
legislation which deregulates such rates. We believe and -have
demonstrated that such rate_ adjustments are essential to the
economic viability of the cable system and to the provision of
adequate service to -its subscribers. Most systems in the area
have rates higher than those being requested. A formal request
for this action on rates, together with supporting data, was
filed with the Commission on February 7, 1985.
3. The Commission is requested, prior to the closing
of the transaction, to adopt an amendment do the current Franchise
Ordinance which would permit new plant construction and new
subscriber installations to proceed on a single cable basis rather
than the dual cable facility specified in the Franchise. The cable
system, as constructed, is one of the world's best. However, the
second, "B", cable is not now necessary or being utilized, and
further operation or construction of dual plant represents a serious
impediment to the economic viability of the system. Accordingly,
the action being requested would enable SCC to "mothball" the
existing "B" cable (with substantial savings in power and maintenance
costs) and to achieve substantial -savings in capital by constructing
new plant on a single cable basis. Similar action has or is being
taken in most jurisdictions where dual plant has been constructed.
Since the capacity of the "A" cable is -more than sufficient for
all foreseeable needs, service to subscribers will not be affected
by this amendment. The "B" cable would be reactivated and dual
plant extended at such time as economically feasible and justifiable.
4. The Commission is requested, prior to the closing
of the transaction, to adopt an -amendment to the Franchise
Ordinance which would restructure the access and local origination
elements of the Franchise. Ordinance in two essential ways. First,
responsibility for this function would be transferred to the C.A.C.,
including employees, space and equipment. SCC would provide a
specified level.of funding and space, and would turn over to C.A.C.
equipment having a very substantial value. A summary of this
proposal is attached as Exhibit A. We believe that the total
resources available for origination/access under this approach
will enable the function to continue at least at its current level;
projected increases -in such resources will enable it to grow,
should.the Commission decide on this course. A review of current
and projected sources and applications of resources is included
with Exhibit A. We believe the resources now and potentially
being applied to origination/access equal or exceed those devoted
to this activity in any system of a, similar size in America. And
,the proposed contributions of SCC in cash and in kind will permit
the system to be economically viable. Any further requirements
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on SCC and its subscribers, necessarily entail a cut back in
costs and services in some other parts of the system's operation.
We believe that in view of the experience and
franchise modification requests made by other new -build systems,
these proposals represent relatively modest adjustments to the
Franchise and have no adverse effect on the quality of the system
or its services to the subscriber.
Thank you for your courteous consideration of our
request for transfer of'.the Franchise and of the matters discussed
in this letter. We look forward to discussing all of this with
you, and to the opportunity of serving the subscribers of the
Northwest Suburbs cable system.
Sincerely,
GMH:par
Enclosure
SUBURBAN CABLEVISION - NORTHWEST SUBURBS,MN
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155,000
335,000
335,000 1
335,000
SUBURBAN CABLEVISION
335,000
335,000
335,000
OTHER Cost
188,000
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LOCAL
ORIGINATION
i COKKUNITY
ACCESS
Total Cash
FUNDING PROPOSAL ANALYSIS
627,000
627,000
627,000
1984
1985
1985
1986
1987
1968
1989
1990
SOURCES OF FUNDS:
ACTUAL
CURRENT
PROPOSED
It Kiad Space
T5,000
75,000
1 0 05 00
Franchise Fees
314,000
435,000
536,467
650,163
781,217
665,284
940,457
1,031,300
Cable Op. Cash
188,000
?92,000
167,290
203,825
?22,863
237,801
249,902
?61,835
latal Cash Available
502,000
727,000
725,757
853,989
1,004,080
1,103,085
2,190,359
1,293,135
In Kiad Space
75,000
75,000
'� 51,000
57,000
57,000
57,000
57,000
57,000
TOTAL SUPPORT AVAILABLE
577,000
802,000
782,757
910,989
1,061,060
1,160,08:
1,247,359
1,350,135
USE Of FUNDS
CAC Budget
155,000
335,000
335,000 1
335,000
335,000
335,000
335,000
335,000
OTHER Cost
188,000
a
`
292,000
292,000
292,00-O�fiir;00i�-��,b
Total Cash
343,000
627,000
627,000
627,000
627,000
627,000
627,000
627,000
It Kiad Space
T5,000
75,000
1 0 05 00
75,000
75,000
75,000
_ 75,000
75,000
TOTAL SUPPORT USED
418,000
702,000
702,000
702,00D
702,000
702,000
702,000
702,000
ENDING CASH BALANCE
159,000
100,000
60,757
206,989
959,080
458,085
545,359
648,135
CUK SURPLUS 10EFICITI
60,157
289,745
648,625
1,106,910
1,652,269
2,300,404
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CITY OF PLYMOUTH
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
FEBRUARY 13, 1985
The regular meeting of the Plymouth Planning Commission was
called to order at 7:30 P.M.
MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Steigerwald, Commissioners
Wire, Magnus, Stulberg, Plufka and
Pauba
MEMBERS ABSENT: None
STAFF PRESENT: Community Development Coordinator
Sara McConn
Community Development Director
Blair Tremere
City Engineer Sherm Goldberg
Community Development Secretary
Grace Wineman
MINUTES
MOTION by Commissioner Magnus, seconded by Commissioner
Pauba to approve the Minutes of January 23, 1985 as
submitted.
VOTE. 5 Ayes. Commissioner Stulberg abstained. MOTION
carried.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
Chairman Steigerwald introduced the request by Dirlam Devel-
opment, and Mr. Dennis Dirlam, petitioner. He requested
that Coordinator McConn review the January 31, 1985 Staff
Report. Chairman Steigerwald asked for questions from the
Commission. Commissioner Plufka inquired about the size of
the open space in the northeast corner; and, area of the
three lots which are to be relocated. Coordinator McConn
answered that there is a difference of 2/10 of an acre; and
Mr. Dirlam stated that the northwest corner would include
1.72 acres in Outlot B, and 1.9 acres in lots.
Chairman Steigerwald opened the Public Hearing.
Commissioner Pauba inquired about the landscaping in the
open area. Mr. Dirlam stated they were keeping the land-
scaping as before, with basically the same number of plant-
ings with some rearrangement. Commissioner Pauba inquired
if the Commission would be seeing this landscape plan. Co-
ordinator McConn stated that the landscape plan would not be
reviewed by the Commission at the final plat stage unless so
directed. Commissioner Pauba stated he had no real problems
with the landscaping.
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*MINUTES - JANUARY
23, 1985
DIRLAM DEVELOPMENT
REVISED RPUD PRELIM-
INARY PLAN AND PLAT
( 84011)
Page 23
Planning Commission Minutes
February 13, 1985
As there was no one else present to speak on this item,
Chairman Steigerwald closed the Public Hearing.
MOTION by Commissioner Pauba, seconded by Commissioner MOTION TO APPROVE
Stulberg to recommend approval of the Revised Residential
Planned Unit Development Preliminary Plan and Plat for
"Wooddale North" subject to the conditions as stated in the
draft Resolution.
Commissioner Plufka stated that he wished to debate and dis-
cuss identifying that he felt the lot relocation reflects a
change in open space which is an unreasonable trade for the
City; he asked about the size, because the attributes for a
Planned Unit Development must be satisfied. He stated that
the trade of 1.9 acre of land for 1.72 acres of ponding is
not appropriate; that the Ordinance should be served, and
would be best served by scaling back one lot to provide use-
able open space for all residents of the PUD.
Chairman Steigerwald inquired about the open space for the
second phase of the development. Mr. Dirlam stated it would
be 2.21 acres. Commissioner Steigerwald inquired how many
lots were in Phase I; Mr. Dirlam responded it would be 33
lots.
Commissioner Plufka stated that a good portion of the open
space in Outlot B could be unuseable because of flooding,
and that the pond would have limited recreational use, but
some aesthetic value.
Chairman Steigerwald stated it seemed that the acreage pro-
vided for open space is reasonable for the number of units.
Coordinator McConn stated that the Engineering Department
had indicated that the pond area would not have standing
water at all times. Engineer Goldberg stated that the area
could be used as a playfield. Mr. Dirlam stated there is a
hard surface area in the central open space and they are
putting in shrubbery.
Commissioner Magnus stated that the original plan showed
open space, but that he cannot see that this plan offers an
area large enough for a playfield that could be used for
soccer, etc, and that moving the common area from the center
of the development to the corner may make it inaccessible to
all residents.
Mr. Dennis Marhula, Westwood Planning & Engineering, stated
that at the time of PUD approval, there was a change in City
policy relating to storm sewer drainage, and this effected
the changes which respond to the Storm Sewer Policy. He
stated the developer would be happy to build as originally
planned, but the City is not allowing this.
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February 13, 1985
Commissioner Stulberg stated his reason for his second on
the Motion for approval was that the trade in open space is
a trade of passive recreational area for passive recreation-
al area; there was no trade of developed area for passive
area; and, there will be as much open space as_ was shown
originally.
Commissioner Wire inquired about the pond area. Engineer
Goldberg stated that the drainage must be maintained on
their property, or they would need an easement to pond on
property north of them; they were unable to acquire this
easement.
Commissioner Stulberg inquired if the ponding was discussed
with the original PUD review. Coordinator McConn stated
that the same policy is in effect now as when the proposal
was originally reviewed. Mr. Marhula stated that he did not
remember the requirements being brought to their attention.
Engineer Goldberg offered that perhaps Mr. Marhula had not
dealt with this aspect of the policy previously.
Commissioner Wire commented that he concurs with Commission-
er Plufka, and he prefers the open areas be more centrally
located. He feels the remotely located area is a problem
topographically and will not be convenient to all the
residents.
Commissioner Plufka stated that changing the access to the
open, space creates a problem making the area accessible to
the residents of the second phase; that there would be an
access problem to the southwest; and, the use of the cul-de-
sac imposes traffic on those residents.
Roll Call VOTE on the MOTION to approve the Revised RPUD VOTE - NOTION FAILS
Preliminary Plan and Plat. Commissioners Pauba and
Stulberg, Aye. Commissioners Magnus, Wire, Plufka, Chairman
Steigerwald, Nay. MOTION fails.
MOTION by Commissioner Plufka, seconded by Commissioner NOTION TO DEFER
Magnus to defer recommendation on this item with direction RECOMMENDATION
to restore a portion of the common open space to the central
area of the development, and to look for a better solution
for access to the common open space for all residents of the
development.
Chairman Steigerwald inquired of Mr. Dirlam if he would pre-
fer to go to the City Council without Planning Commission
recommendation, or come back to the Commission with the
changes as recommended. Mr. Dirlam stated he preferred to
return to the Commission.
Roll Call VOTE. 6 Ayes. MOTION carried. 'NOTE - NOTION CARRIED
Page 25
Planning Commission Minutes
February 13, 1985
Chairman Steigerwald introduced the Rezoning, Conditional
Use Permit and Residential Planned Unit Development Prelim-
inary Plan and Plat for Harstad-Todd Construction Company,
and asked for review of the February 4, 1985 staff report.
Chairman Steigerwald introduced Mr. Kenneth Briggs, repre-
senting Harstad-Todd Construction, and Mr. David Putnam,
Merila and Associates, Inc., consultant.
Mr. Briggs discussed the initial Concept Plan and the revis-
ions made on their plans, in response to direction from the
Planning Commission and City Council regarding lot sizes for
lots on the perimeter of the development; increased lot
width for lots on Juneau Lane; and, redesign of common open
space, all of which has been accomplished.
Commissioner Plufka asked for a review of the common/open
areas and Mr. Briggs presented a graphic with this
information.
Chairman Steigerwald opened the Public Hearing.
Chairman Steigerwald introduced Martha Glasheen, 14555 41st
Avenue North, who passed on making comment at this time.
Leo Glasheen, 14555 41st Avenue North, stated his concern is
the number of homes per acre within this development. He
stated he moved to Plymouth in July and had looked at many
homes in many areas. He was impressed with the planning
being done in Plymouth. He does not see that this proposal
fits into the neighborhood. He would like the Planning
Commission to keep the lot sizes in proportion to the entire
area.
Chairman Steigerwald inquired about the square footage of
Mr. Glas-heen's lot. Mr. Glasheen stated he has a 30,500
sq. ft. lot, and that this development should maintain
consistency. Chairman Steigerwald explained that during the
preliminary stages of review for this development, it was
requested that there be larger lots on the periphery of the
development so that most of the larger lots will be closest
to the existing neighborhoods.
Mr. Glasheen reiterated that he has not seen this type of
density in the area. Chairman Steigerwald explained that
this proposal is not an unusual development, and that there
are many Residential Planned Unit Developments in Plymouth.
HARSTAD-TODD
CONSTRUCTION CO.
REZONING, CONDITIONAL
USE PERMIT AND RPUD
PRELIMINARY PLAN AND
PLAT (84100)
Page 26
Planning Commission Minutes
February 13, 1985
Mr. Briggs stated that they worked to meet the Ordinance
provisions, and that they would be building fine homes on
these lots.
Coordinator McConn reviewed the lots sizes for existing lots
on Juneau Lane, and explained that the area has yet to be
served with sewer service so that large 3 acre lots are
common.
Chairman Steigerwald explained the planning process for this
development; that the developer has responded to direction
from the Planning Commission and City Council; and, has done
what the City asked to be done. He further explained that
the Planned Unit Development allows a developer density
bonus points for common area and open space developed for
the use of residents within the development.
Mr. Glasheen was concerned about access to County Road 9 and
the added traffic. Chairman Steigerwald concurred with the
traffic problems on County Road 9, and explained that the
traffic controls are under the authority of Hennepin
County. He inquired of staff as to plans for the
intersection. Engineer Goldberg stated the County has no
immediate plans for upgrading the intersection of Juneau
Lane. Commissioner Plufka inquired about the classification
of Juneau Lane; Coordinator McConn confirmed that Juneau
Lane is a minor collector.
Richard Grimsrud, 4385 Kingsview Lane, asked to pass comment
at this time.
Lyle Boyce, 4130 Juneau Lane, stated he felt the developer
had made many improvements, but that he still has two con-
cerns; the dangerous access to County Road 9; and, the lot
sizes. He stated that the lots in the area are 25 to 30,000
sq. ft., and his lot is 3.7 acres on Juneau Lane. He feels
the requested increase for lot size on Juneau Lane is only a
token change, and there are still too many small lots with
this redesign. He stated he moved to Plymouth because of
the country -like atmosphere and wants the larger lot sizes
maintained in this area. Commissioner Plufka commented that
if the property were developed within R -1A zoning standards,
the minimum lot size would be 18,500 sq. ft., he would be
concerned in requiring 20,000 sq. ft. lots in a PUD.
Larry Knoblach, 4325 Juneau Lane, passed on making any
comments at this time.
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Planning Commission Minutes
February 13, 1985
Tom Montgomery, 4305 Kingsview Lane, stated the development
does not meet the PUD attributes, and he can't see how the
Planning Commission could not follow those requirements. He
requested that the Commission discuss the attributes
one -by -one, and explain how this development meets the
criteria. Chairman Steigerwald explained that the
attributes are general guidelines, and there is not an
expectation for a development to meet all of them. The
expectation for each area as it develops is different. Mr.
Montgomery expressed his concern that this seems
"arbitrary", and if all attributes are not met, why would
the development be approved.
Commissioner Pauba stated that the City can be better served
with a Planned Unit Development, where open space and
recreational amenities are offered to the residents. Mr.
Montgomery did not concur, and feels too many homes are
proposed in one development. Chairman Steigerwald requested
Mr. Montgomery review the PUD attributes.
Coordinator McConn stated that in the R -1A Zoning District
the allowable density is two units per acre. Commissioner
Plufka stated it was his opinion the number of dwelling
units would be considerably less in the R -1A Zoning District
due to right-of-way, easements, and development
constraints.
Chairman Steigerwald called a 10 minute Recess. RECESS
Chairman Steigerwald resumed the Public Hearing.
Commissioner Plufka commented that obviously the statement
made regarding the allowable density of 2 units per acre in
the R -1A District assumes any development plan would have to
provide streets and utilities. However, he feels
approximately 200 dwelling units would be expected under
R -1A zoning. Chairman Steigerwald commented that a standard
plat would be without planned open space and common area.
Mr. Montgomery stated his estimate is 185 to 190 units
considering the amount of unuseable land; and, granting
waivers on lot size and lot coverage will make a crowded
development.
Mr. Briggs discussed lot coverage and the addition of decks
and porches. Chairman Steigerwald inquired if Mr. Briggs
had shared the Kingsview Heights development booklet with
neighbors; and, offered the booklet to Mr. Montgomery for
his information and review.
Page 28
Planning Commission Minutes
February 13, 1985
Jim Hart, 4725 Vicksburg Lane North, stated that in looking
at the plan he is concerned about the land he owns. He
inquired about frontage, and how he will be able to access
his land. He stated it looked to him that he would be los-
ing the ability to develop along the roadway.
Coordinator McConn stated that Mr. Hart would have frontage,
but it would be reduced. She stated that staff could meet
with Mr. Hart and review how his land could develop. Mr.
Hart was concerned that he is losing the value of his prop-
erty. Engineer Goldberg stated that Juneau Lane will curve
at a right angle to 46th Avenue North, and agreed with Co-
ordinator McConn that this needs to be looked at in more
detail, as it is obvious that total access cannot be taken
from Mr. Hart.
Mr. Briggs stated he has no problem with extending the road-
way and increasing the curve, and would not cut off access
to Mr. Hart's property.
Chairman Steigerwald inquired about the size of Mr. Hart's
property; Mr. Hart stated he owns approximately 6 1/2
acres. Chairman Steigerwald reiterated that Mr. Hart should
talk with Coordinator McConn and Engineer Goldberg regarding
his property.
Bob Roscoe, 4260 Kingsview Lane, stated that he lives dir-
ectly adjacent to the proposed development and inquired
about the status of the Planned Unit Development. Chairman
Steigerwald and Coordinator McConn explained that the Con-
cept Plan has been approved, and the Rezoning, Conditional
Use Permit, and Preliminary Plan and Plat are being con-
sidered tonight. Mr. Roscoe stated he would be more comfor-
table if this were going to be a conventional plat; and, he
arrived at a computation for approximately 180 dwelling
units being appropriate for this development. He suggested
that homes along Kingsview Lane and 43rd Avenue North have a
setback of 50 ft.
Chairman Steigerwald inquired if those who had passed making
comment wished to speak at this time; they stated that their
questions had been addressed. Mr. Tom Montgomery commented
he felt that this development only meets one of the attri-
butes for a PUD.
Linda Roscoe, 4260 Kingsview Lane, stated her concern is
with the high density; and, the fact that Plymouth's image
is changing with emphasis on high density and low income
housing. She is also concerned about the increased traffic,
and the fact there will not be schools and playgrounds in
sufficient number to keep up with high density development.
She does not want the "rural feeling" of the neighborhood to
be lost.
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Planning Commission Minutes
February 13, 1985
Marian Schmidt, 11520 Park Drive, Rogers, MN, stated they
owned land in Plymouth, part of which they have sold. They
still own a small piece of property north of Glacier Lane,
and inquired if the City plans to fill it in, or if it will
remain a pond. Chairman Steigerwald stated the City would
not propose anything for this property. Mr. Briggs stated
that it was their feeling that the land is unuseable, and
would not accommodate a house. Chairman Steigerwald
inquired if Ms. Schmidt had intended to sell this land with
the property she sold to the east. Ms. Schmidt stated these
were two separate parcels. Chairman Steigerwald stated that
there is no way the City can consider access, and the parcel
is landlocked. He inquired if Ms. Schmidt has covenants for
access; Ms. Schmidt answered no. Chairman Steigerwald
stated that perhaps Mr. Briggs could contact Ms. Schmidt
regarding this land. Mr. Briggs stated he would consider
possible purchase and inclusion of the land and would
discuss this with Ms. Schmidt.
Chairman Steigerwald closed the Public Hearing.
Commissioner Plufka inquired if the Commission would
consider the RPUD Preliminary Plan and Plat for PUD status
first. Chairman Steigerwald answered affirmatively.
MOTION by Commissioner Stulberg, seconded by Commissioner NOTION TO APPROVE
Pauba to recommend approval of the Residential Planned Unit
Development Preliminary Plan and Plat subject to the con-
ditions as stated in the draft Resolution.
Commissioner Plufka stated that the development plan as
revised is a better plan, but he is still concerned that it
does not meet the PUD attributes. He is also concerned
about the "passive" nature of the open space and inquired if
a more "active" use is planned.
Mr. Briggs stated that they proposed to provide trails,
benches and picnic tables, and will bring in more detailed
plans for these areas once they receive input from the City,
because of the public nature of the open space. Coordinator
McConn asked for clarification on Mr. Briggs' use of the
word "public" in conjunction with the open areas for this
development, as they are only for the use of the residents
in the development. Mr. Briggs clarified that he did not
mean "public" in the sense of City parks, but that it would
be for the residents of this development.
Commissioner Wire stated that the size of this area makes it
a candidate for PUD status, but the plan does not meet the
criteria for a PUD. It appears that it substantial
redesign would be needed to meet those requirements.
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Planning Commission Minutes
February 13, 1985
Commissioner Magnus stated his concern with the layout for
the open space; that there is not enough useable land
included in the open space; and, it is too spread out.
Commissioner Stulberg stated that he believes the petitioner
has listened to the direction given him by the Commission
and Council, and has responded to that direction. He stands
by his Motion for approval.
Commissioner Magnus stated his concern about buffering and
transition along the eastern border. Commissioner Stulberg
commented that the same concern could be expressed if there
were lot sizes of 18,500 sq. ft. Discussion ensued about
future development west of Juneau Lane.
Commissioner Pauba concurs with Commissioner Stulberg that
the petitioner responded to the direction given; and, the
plan is better than what could be provided with a conven-
tional plat.
Commissioner Plufka stated he agrees the petitioner has made
progress, but there are problems with two of the five cri-
teria and the development does not meet the spirit of the
PUD attributes.
Roll Call VOTE. Commissioners Magnus, Wire, Plufka, and
Chairman Steigerwald Nay. Commissioners Stulberg and Pauba,
Aye. MOTION failed.
MOTION by Commissioner Wire, seconded by Commissioner Plufka
to recommend denial of the Rezoning, Conditional Use Permit,
and Residential Planned Unit Development Preliminary Plan
and Plat for Harstad-Todd Construction Company.
Coordinator McConn explained that the Planning Commission
had recommended approval for the Concept Plan for this
development and, that the Council granted approval with
direction for certain changes to the plan. Changes were
made and have been considered tonight. She noted the
comments made regarding the PUD attributes, and that the
Motion to deny must contain the reasons for that denial.
Commissioner Wire stated his Motion was a positive statement
for denial; that he was initially concerned about trans-
ition; and, is not satisfied with lot size and lot width.
He does not believe that the developer has made use of the
flexibility given to a PUD. Commissioner Magnus inquired if
the Commission should defer recommendation for redesign.
VOTE - NOTION TO
APPROVE - NOTION
FAILED
NOTION TO DENY
Page 31
Planning Commission Minutes
February 13, 1985
Commissioner Stulberg stated that the plan was approved
conceptually as a PUD.
Mr. Briggs stated that they have responded to the direction
given them by the City; that they have expended time and
money to this end, and he does not understand why the Com-
mission is now saying it is not a PUD. Chairman Steigerwald
inquired if they want the item sent forward with the
recommendation for denial, or if they would accept the
recommendation for deferral for redesign. Mr. Briggs stated
they want to move forward for City Council consideration.
Further discussion ensued regarding the PUD attributes. Co-
ordinator McConn explained that design direction is approp-
riate at the preliminary plan/plat stage, and gives the
developer the opportunity to respond to that direction.
Mr. Briggs stated that he is confused about the Commission's
recommendation for approval of the PUD at the Concept stage,
and now they find it is not a PUD. He stated they would
accept Commission direction for the preliminary plan and
plat. Chairman Steigerwald confirmed that Mr. Briggs was
not under the impression this would be an automatic approval
of the Preliminary Plan and Plat.
Roll Call Vote. Commissioners Stulberg, Plufka, Pauba, and VOTE ON MOTION TO
Chairman Steigerwald, Nay. Commissioners Wire and Magnus, DENY - MOTION FAILS
Aye. MOTION fails.
MOTION by Commissioner Stulberg, seconded by Commissioner NOTION TO APPROVE
Pauba to recommend approval of the development as a CONDITIONAL USE
Residential Planned Unit Development for Harstad-Todd PERMIT
Construction Company subject to the conditions as stated in
the draft Resolution.
Roll Call VOTE. 4 Ayes. Commissioners Wire and Plufka VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
Nay. MOTION carried.
MOTION by Commissioner Stulberg, seconded by Commissioner MOTION TO APPROVE
Pauba to recommend approval for the Rezoning and RPUD Pre- REZONING AND RPUD
liminary Plan and Plat subject to the conditions as drafted PRELIMINARY PLAN/
1 through 20, adding Condition No. 21 that Juneau Lane and PLAT
46th Avenue North address the right of access to the proper-
ty owned by Mr. dim Hart of 4725 Vicksburg Lane North.
MOTION to AMEND the MAIN MOTION by Commissioner Magnus,
seconded by Commissioner Wire to add Condition No. 22 that
Lot 2, Block 14, and Lot 1, Block 18 require 50 ft. setbacks
for transition; and, Condition No. 23 that the lot size and
width on the east side of Juneau Lane be in proportion with
those lots on the west side of Juneau Lane, per R -1A
standards.
Page 32
Planning Commission Minutes
February 13, 1985
Mr. Glasheen inquired about the recommendations, and stated
concern that it appears the Planning Commission is designing
the plat. Chairman Steigerwald explained that the Commis-
sion is giving direction to the developer that includes
their recommendations on redesign, and these recommendations
are forwarded to the City Council. If they concur, that ap-
proval allows the developer to proceed in preparing an ap-
plication for the Final Plat stage of the development. He
confirmed that those interested in attending the City Coun-
cil meeting for this item can call the City to confirm the
City Council meeting date and time.
Further discussion ensued regarding the location of common
open space.
VOTE on the AMENDMENT. 5 Ayes. Commissioner Stulberg Nay. VOTE - AMENDMENT
MOTION carried. MOTION CARRIED
MOTION by Commissioner Wire, seconded by Commissioner Plufka MOTION TO AMEND
to AMEND the MAIN MOTION by adding Condition No. 24, requir-
ing those lots within Block 11 and 12, which abut residences
to the south, to meet the R -1A lot size and lot width
standards.
Mr. Briggs stated that Lots 1 through 4 exceed the R -1A re-
quirements, so does the Commission want these reduced? Com-
missioner Wire stated that his recommendation is that all
these lots meet the R -1A standards.
Further discussion ensued. Commissioner Plufka withdrew his
second of the MOTION to AMEND. The MOTION failed for lack
of second.
MOTION by Commissioner Plufka, seconded by Commissioner
Magnus to AMEND the MAIN MOTION by adding Condition No. 24
to require the petitioner to submit a plan outlining the
uses for the common open space, such as whether it will be
passive or active use; type of recreational equipment and
their location; and, that it should be reviewed by the
Parks and Recreation Advisory Board (PRAC).
Roll Call VOTE. 6 Ayes. MOTION carried.
Roll Call VOTE on the MAIN MOTION as TWICE AMENDED. 5
Ayes. Commissioner Wire Nay. MOTION carried.
Commissioner Wire stated his reason for voting against the
Motion is that he does not believe there is adequate transi-
tion shown on this plan.
MOTION FAILS FOR LACK
OF SECOND
MOTION TO AMEND THE
MAIN MOTION
VOTE - AMENDMENT TO
THE MAIN MOTION
MOTION CARRIED
VOTE - MAIN MOTION
AS TWICE AMENDED
MOTION CARRIED
Chairman Steigerwald called a 5 minute Recess. RECESS
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Chairman Steigerwald introduced the Amendment to the
Thoroughfare Guide Plan Element of the Comprehensive Plan to
delete a portion of West Medicine Lake Drive from the Func-
tional Classification of major collector roadway on the
Thoroughfare Guide Plan Map. Reading of the February 4,
1985 staff report was waived. Chairman Steigerwald opened
the Public Hearing, as there was no one to speak on this
item, the Public Hearing was closed.
MOTION by Commissioner Wire, seconded by Commissioner
Stulberg to recommend approval of the Amendment to the
Thoroughfare Guide Plan Element of the Comprehensive Plan as
stated in the Planning Staff Report dated February 4, 1985.
VOTE. 6 Ayes. MOTION carried.
Chairman Steigerwald introduced the next item, and requested
a review of the February 4, 1985 staff report by Coordinator
McConn.
Chairman Steigerwald introduced Rod Halvorson, representing
Vern Reynolds Construction Company. Mr. Halvorson explained
the Concept Plan, stating that the property consists of rol-
ling terrain and that a large open area is planned for the
center of the site. He noted the areas of steep grades.
Chairman Steigerwald inquired about the difference in eleva-
tions. Mr. Halvorson explained there is some slope in the
rear yards. Chairman Steigerwald inquired if some of the
steep areas can be flattened and leveled. Mr. Halvorson
stated that his landscape architect is working on this now.
Chairman Steigerwald commented that he recommends they re-
duce or flatten steep grades as much as possible to attain
useable space for the residents.
Commissioner Plufka stated he concurs with Chairman Steiger-
wald, and is also concerned about the useability of the
planned open space. He stated, it appears that the access
would not be good to the central open space for residents on
the eastern edge of the property. Mr. Halvorson explained
that this has to do with the grades between the buildings.
Commissioner Plufka stated there should be a designated area
for residents to acess the common area without having to
walk on driveways, and there should be direct access to the
pond.
Further discussion ensued regarding the recreational
amenities.
AMENDMENT TO THE
THOROUGHFARE GUIDE
PLAN ELEMENT
NOTION TO APPROVE
VOTE - NOTION CARRIED
VERN REYNOLDS
CONSTRUCTION CO.
RPUD CONCEPT PLAN
(84106)
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Commissioner Stulberg stated that specific direction should
be given for the recreational open space. Commissioner Wire
concurred, and recommended the developer prepare a listing
of proposed landscaping, equipment, and amenities for the
Commission's review.
Mr. Vern Reynolds stated that he is working with the land-
scape planner on plans to flatten the area for a playfield;
trees and shrubs; grills and tables for the picnic area;
and, terracing will be done in this area. He advised this
is not a final plan, and a trail plan has not been prepared
as yet. However, the access can be changed to address the
Commission's concerns.
Chairman Steigerwald opened the Public Hearing.
Jack Gassner, 5265 Pineview Lane, representing Mr. Jerome
Begin, inquired about the construction schedule for North-
west Boulevard. Engineer Goldberg responded that the Public
Hearing has been held, and the construction from 55th Avenue
to Pineview Lane is deferred until 1986. Coordinator McConn
explained the phasing of the project will be consistent with
utility availability. Engineer Goldberg expained that there
are no plans for the road construction for that part of the
development outside the sewer district.
Ruth Rosendahl, 5205 Pineview Lane, stated her questions
were also regarding road construction, and she is concerned
about traffic on Pineview Lane. Engineer Goldberg responded
to the phasing of the road construction. Ms. Rosendahl
stated she is also concerned about sewer availabiity for all
the units proposed. Coordinator McConn explained that the
development complies with the Staged Growth Plan, and Phase
I is limited to approximately 20 acres for development, the
balance of this property can not develop until after 1990.
Chairman Steigerwald closed the Public Hearing.
MOTION by Commissioner Plufka, seconded by Commissioner NOTION TO APPROVE
Pauba to recommend approval of the Residential Planned Unit
Development Concept Plan for Vern Reynolds Construction
Company subject to the nine conditions of the draft Reso-
lution with the addition of Condition No. 10 to require a
detailed plan for the recreational open space with the sub-
mittal of the preliminary plan and plat; and Condition No.
11 to provide access to the common open area from the
eastern edge of the development to the central open area,
and north/south to the pond.
Roll Call VOTE. 6 Ayes. MOTION carried. VOTE - NOTION CARRIED
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Chairman Steigerwald introduced the item concerning amend- ORDINANCE
ments to the Plymouth Zoning Ordinance. He explained that AMENDMENTS
there are six draft amendments to be discussed, screening of
rooftop equipment; trash and refuse disposal standards for
the residential zoning districts; elevators; equivalent
yards/fences, hedges, and walls; temporary outdoor promo-
tional and merchandising activities; and, residential area
identification signage. Reading of the February 6, 1985
staff report was waived.
Commissioner Wire inquired about solar panels and whether
they would be required to be screened, and how. Coordinator
McConn answered that the language was directed toward
"active" mechanical equipment, and not toward passive solar
equipment; it is possible certain types of solar equipment
might be screened from view, but not in a way to interfere
with sunlight.
Chairman Steigerwald confirmed this requirement would be for
new construction only. Chairman Steigerwald opened the Pub-
lic Hearing.
Don Gordan, Trammell Crow Company, 8300 Norman Center Dr.,
Bloomington, MN., stated that he is representing Carlson
Companies, Vantage Company, and Prudential Development Co.
He stated that, though the amendment looks benign, he is
concerned that it goes much deeper. He stated that his firm
plans carefully by making certain that the color selection
for this equipment will blend with the building and the
horizon; Mr. Gordan had pictures to show the Commission. He
stated that no matter how you would try to meet the require-
ments as stated in the draft amendment, it would turn out to
be a "picket fence" or "dog house" approach, and would not
be an attractive or aesthetic addition to the building. He
stated that each site is different; as an example, in the
Plymouth Business Center, there are four different eleva-
tions which makes it difficult to screen all directions.
Also, the developer will not know potential tenants and hav-
ing to screen any additional rooftop equipment could mean
substantial improvements to the building, that will add to
the cost, and will be a maintenance problem. Mr. Gordan
stated that aesthetics and visual screening can be accom-
plished by painting; the paint being a camouflage which will
not detract from other building features. He stated that in
regard to noise, this equipment is often insulated when
installed.
Chairman Steigerwald explained the draft Ordinance amendment
regarding screening was requested by Council because of
impacts on residential neighborhoods such by commercial and
industrial uses with noisy and unscreened rooftop equipment.
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February 13, 1985
Mr. Gordan stated that the compressor equipment and cooling
towers used in some locations are much different than
"standard" rooftop units used on typical developments such
as theirs.
Chairman Steigerwald stated that the language still gives
the developer flexibility in design and materials. Mr.
Gordan stated that the wording, "durable materials" connotes
a fence or structure. Chairman Steigerwald stated that he
agrees that painting the equipment may solve the aesthetic
concern of secreening.
Chairman Steigerwald commented that the requirement as
drafted by staff is necessarily "vague", so the Planning
Commission can be flexible in their recommendations.
Mr. Gordan stated that he is uncomfortable with the language
in that it seems to definitely mean fencing or structures.
Mr. Lawrence Marofsky, 2835 Medicine Ridge Road, Chairman
for the Plymouth Board of Zoning Adjustments and Appeals,
stated that the wording "constructed of durable materials
which are" could be deleted, leaving only "Screening shall
be aesthetically compatible "
Director Tremere stated he has no objection with this direc-
tion; however, in some cases constructive screening is need-
ed. In the case where "noise" is a problem additional scre-
ening is needed to diminish the sounds from equipment, and
there should be a uniform standard in the Ordinance if it is
to apply in all cases of similar classes. Pewrhaps differ-
ent classes or situations should be distinguished.
Commissioner Wire stated he understands the developer's con-
cern regarding additional cost, but the City needs to ad-
dress the areas where commercial/industrial adjoins residen-
tial neighborhoods. He said he was not concerned with
industrial park locations which had no abutment or inter-
facing with non -industrial uses.
Mr. Carlos Hodge, Prudential Development Company, stated
the City concern is valid in the case of noise; however,
aesthetics is a separate issue and the concern is not so
valid. He stated there should be flexibility in the Ordin-
ance, based on demonstrated need for screening.
Commissioner Wire inquired about industry standards on noise
levels. Mr. Gordan stated that the standard rooftop equip-
ment, depending upon the size of the tenant area, can be the
same size as home units. Commissioner Wire commented that
the condensers and chillers generate certain decibels, and
there should be some way to Judge if screening should be
required.
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Director Tremere stated that this may be hard to determine
and probably cannot be Judged until the equipment is instal-
led. If the equipment is shown with the Site Plan applica-
tion, it could be evaluated "up front". Commissioner Wire
inquired if the City could refer to National standards as is
done with lighting.
Mr. George Mellen, Honeywell, Inc. stated they have dealt
with noise levels, and if there is no other noise to screen
out the sounds from the equipment (such as ambient traffic
noise), it could impact adjacent properties. However, the
sounds produced by these units often cannot be picked up on
a noise meter. Chairman Steigerwald stated that frequency
and pitch could be of concern. Commissioner Wire stated his
concern regarding noise that is heard by those beyond the
property lines of the facility producing the noise. Direc-
tor Tremere stated that the Ordinance specifically speaks of
glare and vibration, not noise, regarding boundaires. Regu-
lation of noise is by reference to State regulations. How-
ever, the City Council is concerned that if there is a prob-
lem from rooftop equipment that would produce disturbing
sound in residential neighborhoods, the developer must ad-
dress this problem, just as is done with glare from site
lighting.
Chairman Steigerwald closed the Public Hearing.
MOTION by Chairman Steigerwald, seconded by Commissioner
Plufka to defer action on the draft Ordinance language on
Amendment No. 1, screening of rooftop equipment, with direc-
tion for further consideration by staff as follows: Commis-
sioner Wire stated he would like information on State stan-
dards (such as from the Pollution Control Agency), regarding
noise levels. Chairman Steigerwald stated that the develop-
er show whether the rooftop equipment can blend with the
building by the use of paint. Commissioner Plufka concur-
red, and stated that when a building is well planned, the
requirement for a special structure for screening would be a
last resort, but the assurance that this planning has been
done is an appropriate consideration for site plan reviews.
It was agreed that the locational factor, such as indus-
trial/commercial abutting residential should be cited. Com-
missioner Wire stated that painting and maintaining the
equipment and/or screening should be addressed.
Chairman Steigerwald inquired if the manufacturers address
this issue in their design of the equipment. Mr. Hodge
stated that certain uinits are energy efficient, built for
quiet operation, and present a low aesthetic profile.
Chairman Steigerwald requested staff to coordinate with
those developer representatives who were present, and for
them to communicate with other Development Council members
when the additional information and revised draft are done.
NOTION TO DEFER
A RECOM/MENDATION
ON AMENDMENT NO. 1
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Roll Call VOTE. 6 Ayes. MOTION carried.
Chairman Steigerwald introduced Amendment No. 2 relating to
trash and refuse disposal standards for Residence Districts,
and opened the Public Hearing. As there was no one present
to speak on this item, the Public Hearing was closed.
MOTION by Commissioner Wire, seconded by Chairman
Steigerwald to recommend approval of Amendment No. 2
relating to trash and refuse disposal standards in the
Residence Districts.
Roll Call Vote. 6 Ayes. MOTION carried.
Chairman Steigerwald introduced Amendment No. 3 relating to
elevators, and opened the Public Hearing. As there was no
one present to speak on this item, the Public Hearing was
closed.
MOTION by Commissioner Plufka, seconded by Commissioner
Stulberg to recommend approval of Amendment No. 3 requiring
elevators in multi -residential buildings.
Roll Call Vote. 6 Ayes. MOTION carried.
Chairman Steigerwald introduced Amendment No. 4 relating to
Equivalent Yards/Fences, Hedges, and Walls, and opened the
Public Hearing.
Mr. Larry Marofsky, Board of Zoning, described the requests
being considered by the Board for those lots that are not
addressed by the Ordinance, i.e., corner lots where dual
access is allowed. He said the Board and Commission had
also discussed building setbacks in corner lot cases, and he
noted this amendment does not cover that.
Director Tremere concurred, and he discussed the new
definition of "Equivalent Yard", and stated that the matter
of yard dimensions would be discussec by the Commission with
the issue of building coverage.
Commissioner Plufka stated that regarding corner lot and
through lot dual access, a requirement cannot be created for
the myriad of possibilities that could occur, and that is
why there is a Board of Zoning, i.e., those are relatively
unique circumstances.
Chairman Steigerwald closed the Public Hearing.
VOTE -TO DEFER
NOTION CARRIED
NOTION TO APPROVE
AMENDMENT NO. 2
VOTE - NOTION CARRIED
NOTION TO APPROVE
AMENDMENT NO. 3
VOTE - NOTION CARRIED
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February 13, 1985
MOTION by Commissioner Stulberg, seconded by Commissioner
Plufka to approve Amendment No. 4 regarding equivalent
yards/ fences, hedges, and walls.
VOTE. 6 Ayes. MOTION carried.
Chairman Steigerwald introduced Amendment No. 5 relating to
temporary outdoor promotional and merchandising activities,
and opened the Public Hearing. As there was no one to speak
on this item, the Public Hearing was closed.
MOTION by Commissioner Magnus, seconded by Commissioner
Stulberg to recommend approval of Amendment No. 5 relating
to temporary outdoor promotional and merchandising
activities.
VOTE. 6 Ayes. MOTION carried.
Chairman Steigerwald introduced Amendment No. 6 relating to
residential area identification signs, providing the minimum
setback for these signs found at the entrances to residen-
tial developments, and opened the Public Hearing. As there
was no one to speak on this item, the Public Hearing was
closed.
MOTION by Commissioner Pauba, seconded by Commissioner
Plufka to recommend approval of Amendment No. 6 relating to
residential area identification signs.
NOTION TO APPROVE
AMENDMENT NO. 4
VOTE - NOTION CARRIED
NOTION TO APPROVE
AMENDMENT NO. 5
VOTE - NOTION CARRIED
MOTION TO APPROVE
AMENDMENT NO. 6
VOTE 6 Ayes. MOTION carried. VOTE - NOTION CARRIED
NEN BUSINESS
Chairman Steigerwald introduced the Honeywell, Inc. Master HONEYWELL, INC.
Plan Amendment, Site Plan and Variance for an approximate AMENDMENT TO MASTER
6,000 sq. ft. addition, with request for a variance to allow PLAN, SITE PLAN, AND
a 50 ft. setback to the zoning line between the B-1 and FRD VARIANCE (A-151)
Districts; reading of the January 31, 1985 staff report was
waived.
MOTION by Commissioner Wire, seconded by Commissioner Magnus NOTION TO APPROVE
to recomend approval for Honeywell, Inc., Master Plan Amend-
ment, Site Plan and Variance subject to the conditions as
stated in the draft Resolution.
The Commission discussed the zoning lines and their concern
if Honeywell should divest themselves of any land. They
confirmed the intent is to maintain this land as a buffer to
adjacent properties. Chairman Steigerwald inquired about
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February 13, 1985
future planning beyond the addition of the clean room. Mr.
Mellen stated it is difficult to address future plans
because the science, and state-of-the-art in logic changes
so rapidly.
VOTE. 6 Ayes. MOTION carried.
Chairman Steigerwald introduced the application by Carlson
Properties. Reading of the February 1, 1985 Staff Report
was waived.
Chairman Steigerwald introduced Mr. Dale Kennedy,
representing Carlson Properties. Mr. Kennedy stated they do
not agree with the staff report where it states, under
paragraph 5, that a shared driveway should be utilized.
Engineer Goldberg stated that it is common practice to
eliminate the number of drives on a collector street.
Chairman Steigerwald asked Mr. Kennedy the reason they do
not agree with this recommendation. Mr. Kennedy stated that
it will create problems for the owners of the lots with the
shared drive; he feels a shared drive is not necessary
here. Coordinator McConn reiterated that the City wants to
encourage shared drives along minor collector roadways.
Commissioner Wire inquired if it wouldn't be easier to have
the shared drive, rather than removing it. Mr. Kennedy
stated they are not concerned about taking out the drive,
they feel it will make marketing the property much easier.
VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
CARLSON PROPERTIES
FINAL PLAT AND
VARIANCES (80019)
MOTION by Commissioner Stulberg, seconded by Chairman MOTION TO APPROVE
Steigerwald to recommend approval of Final Plat for Carlson
Center Fifth Addition subject to the conditions in the draft
Resolution, and deletion of Item No. 8 of the Engineer's
Memorandum.
VOTE. 6 Ayes. MOTION carried.
OLD BUSINESS:
Chairman Steigerwald introduced the item; reading of the
February 1, 1985 staff report was waived.
Chairman Steigerwald introduced Mr. Robert Gersbach, who
explained the revisions made in response to the Commission
direction at the meeting held January 9, 1985.
The Commission discussed the use of existing dwellings and
retaining trees on the property.
VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
ROBERT GERSBACH
PRELIMINARY PLAT AND
VARIANCES (84107)
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MOTION by Commissioner Wire, seconded by Commissioner Magnus MOTION TO APPROVE
to recommend approval for the Preliminary Plat and Variances
for Robert Gersbach subject to the conditions as stated in
the draft Resolution.
VOTE. 6 Ayes. MOTION carried. VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
OTHER BUSINESS:
Director Tremere explained to the Commission that the City
Council is considering a name change for Hamel Road, and is
soliciting recommendations. The Commission concurred that
"Schmidt Lake Road" would be appropriate.
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The meeting adjourned at 12:00 Midnight.
Minutes of the Regular Meeting of the Park and Recreation Advisory Commission
February 14, 1985, 7:30 p.m.
Page 5
Present: Vice Chair Chesebrough, Commissioners Reed, Edwards, LaTour and Beach;
staff Blank, Cook, Pederson and Peterson
Absent: Commissioners Threinen and Mullan
1. CALL TO ORDER
Vice Chair Chesebrough called the February meeting to order at 7:35 p.m. and
introduced Carol Beach, PRAC's most recently appointed commissioner. Carol
briefly described her background, interests, family and career.
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
A motion to approve the minutes was made by Commissioner Edwards and seconded
by Commissioner Reed. The motion carried with all ayes.
3. VISITOR PRESENTATIONS
a. Athletic Associations. No athletic association representatives were
present at this meeting.
b. Staff. Director Blank introduced Mark Peterson, the City's Park and
Environmental Supervisor. Mark gave a brief presentation on the
maintenance of ice rinks, accompanied by several slides which took
the commissioners through the entire process of flooding rinks, from
brooming to the water being applied. He also handed out statistics
on the total hours of labor spent this season so far to maintain each
rink.
Director Blank then introduced Steve Cook, the City's Forester. Steve's
presentation included slides of our City's urban forest as compared to
other cities' tree population. He showed the drastic difference between
streets once populated with elms that are now bare due to Dutch elm
disease. He discussed the City's latest proposal: a tree replacement
program which will be implemented this year. This new program allows
property owners who have lost trees to Dutch elm or oak wilt, to receive
up to a maximum of two new trees in replacement. The City is hoping
that this program will encourage homeowners to more willingly report
any Dutch elm or oak wilt disease. His slides also showed trees being
planted, tree care, how to recognize certain tree diseases, and encroach-
ment problems the City often encounters, such as gardens, trees, play
equipment, etc., begin installed on City property.
Both Steve and Mark then responded to questions asked by the commis-
sioners.
4. REPORT ON PAST COUNCIL ACTION
Director Blank reported that the Council approved the Comprehensive Plan
amendments, and the plan has now been forwarded to the Metropolitan Coun-
cil for their approval. Once that approval has been granted, new trail
and park maps will be printed for distribution. Council also approved
our 1985 Fee Schedule and Park Facilities Rental Policy.
5. UNFINISHED BUSINESS
a. Annual Report. It was suggested that next year's annual report should
include, on the attendance chart, when meetings are held on dates other
than regularly scheduled ones, out of fairness to those who are absent
on those dates. The Commission thanked all who had worked on the report,
PRAC Minutes of February 14, 1985
Page 6
citing how "professional" it looked. A MOTION WAS MADE BY COMMISSIONER
EDWARDS AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER REED APPROVING THE 1984 PARK AND
RECREATION ADVISORY COMMISSION ANNUAL REPORT, AND FORWARDING IT TO
THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THEIR APPROVAL. The motion carried with all ayes.
b. Community Center Update. The Commission reviewed a copy of a memoran-
dum sent to Chair Threinen from Mayor Davenport asking PRAC to continue
their review and study of a community center for Plymouth. It was
decided that additional public information should be developed prior to
the attitudinal survey scheduled for May, because it is anticipated
that one or more questions in the survey will deal with the issue of
a community center. Commissioner Chesebrough asked staff to research
the lease sale -back option and find out if this method will require
that the citizens vote again. Director Blank has been working on a
video tape that previews community centers, senior centers, etc. It
is his hope that this video could run on cable channel 7 prior to the
attitudinal survey. At this time, the video presentation is about
half finished. More funds need to be allocated in order to complete the
project. A MOTION WAS MADE BY COMMISSIONER EDWARDS AND SECONDED BY
CON24ISSIOJER REED RECOMMENDING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ALLOCATE $8,000
FROM THE UNEXPENDED FUNDS ALLOCATED IN 1984, FOR THE PRODUCTION OF
EDUCATIONAL MATERIALS ON A COMMUNITY CENTER. The motion carried
with all ayes.
Commissioner Beach recommended that staff include coverage of a con-
ventional pool as well as a wave pool in the video tape, so that the
public will be aware of the differences between them. She believed
that showing only a wave pool in the video might give the public the
impression that the City was trying to "sell" the leisure pool concept.
If the Council approves the funding, staff will begin working on the
remainder of the video tape as soon as possible, and will show it to
the Commission at their March meeting if it's finished by then.
c. Parkers Lake Update. Our LAWCON grant has been approved by the National
Park Service and is now waiting approval by the L.C.M.R. We've been
informed by the State Historical Society that an archaeological survey
must be performed before any development begins. Staff is now receiv-
ing bids from a variety of archaeologists and hopes to have this survey
completed as soon as the weather permits.
d. Neighborhood Park Improvements Update. Staff has sent proposals to
three landscape architects for the design and installation of play areas
at Circle, Green Oaks and the Luce Line trailhead parks. The selection
of an architect is scheduled to be completed prior to the next meeting
of PRAC.
Commissioner LaTour asked Director Blank if he had any more information
on the problems at Imperial Hills Park. He indicated that he, along
with Office Bob Nesbitt, would be attending a meeting on Sunday,
February 17, with the Imperial Hills Homeowners Association. The
association recently designed and conducted a survey of its residents
regarding their use of the park. The results of that survey will be
discussed at the meeting.
PRAC Minutes of February 14, 1985
Page 7
6. NEW BUSINESS
a. 1985 PRAC Training Ideas. It was decided that training for 1985
would consist of a bus tour of other cities' parks and facilities.
Director Blank will put together a list of possible sites from which
PRAC can choose. June was the preferred month for the tour.
7. COMMISSION PRESENTATION
Commissioner Chesebrough discussed the Iceman Triathlon which was held
on Sunday, February 10. Fourteen people participated, and even though
this number was much lower than anticipated by staff, everyone felt the
triathlon was a success. It was thought that the fee should be lowered
next time to attract more people.
8. STAFF COMMUNICATION
Director Blank indicated that staff will be working on putting together
a summer triathlon which will include swimming across Medicine Lake,
and biking and running around it.
He pointed out the calendar of events which had been distributed to each
commissioner and stated that next month's would not be quite as detailed
since several hours of work were necessary to produce this month's calendar.
9. ADJOURNMENT
The meeting adjourned at 9:35 p.m.
NEWS RELEASE
From: Freshwater Society RELEASE:
Navarre, Minnesota
Contact: Paula Ripley Date:
Telephone: 471-8407
LAKE MINNETONKA WATER QUALITY PROGRAM
Immediate, Next Edition
All Lake Minnetonka Editions
February 15, 1985
The use of copper sulfate in Lake Minnetonka, the impact of sewage diversion projects
and comparisons of past and present water quality will be some of the topics addressed
at a seminar to be held Tuesday, March 5, 7:30-9:30 p.m. at the Gray Freshwater
Biological Institute.
The program, "A Historical View of Water Quality in Lake Minnetonka," is sponsored by
the Institute, the Freshwater Society and co-sponsored with the Minnetonka, Orono,
Wayzata and Wes tonka_Community cervices%Educat44Da-ZapartrnentS-
Dr. Edward Swain of the Institute will discuss water quality data in 1982 as compared
to data from 1969, focusing on the impact of the sewage diversion projects around
the lake initiated and completed during that time and their effect on water quality
and lake ecology. Dr. Swain will also discuss water quality in areas such as West
Arm and Jennings Bay, where sewage diversions are under consideration, but not
completed.
Dr. Swain will also discuss the pros and cons of the use of copper sulfate based
on the 3 -year, $200,000 study he is conducting on Lake Minnetonka to study the effects
of copper sulfate, including its impact on algae and other animals, the residual
effectiveness of such treatments and the impacts on water quality.
His study, "The Effects of Copper Sulfate on Lakes," funded by the Freshwater
Foundation and the State of Minnesota, may serve as a model to predict how lakes
(more)
react to the use of copper sulfate, a chemical used primarily to control algal
populations in freshwater lakes.
Dr. Swain has also been cooperating in a project with the Limnological Research
Center at the University of Minnesota to determine the history of Lake Minnetonka
utilizing sediment analysis and dating. Dr. Swain will discuss the history of
man's activities around Lake Minnetonka as recorded in the bottom sediments lain
down year after year. The study of lake sediments, paleolimnology, can help
determine events that changed the water quality of the lake during the past 1500 years.
Dr. Swain received a B.A. in 1974 from Carleton College in Northfield, Minnesota,
and a Ph.D. in ecology from the University of Minnesota in 1984. He has been
extensively involved in sediment studies of lakes in Vermont, Hawaii, Northern
Minnesota and the Twin Cities.
Time will be available during the program for the audience to ask specific questions.
Cost is $2.00, payable at the door. The Gray Freshwater Biological Institute,
part of the College of Biological Sciences at the University of Minnesota, is
located at the intersection of County Roads 4115 and 4119 in Navarre.
A G E N D A
PLYMOUTH TOWN MEETING
AREA 5
February 19, 1985
I. INTRODUCTIONS - Mayor David J. Davenport
II. STATUS REPORTS ON ISSUES OF INTEREST - City Department Heads
III. QUESTIONS FROM RESIDENTS IN ATTENDANCE
IV. CLOSING COMMENTS - Mayor David J. Davenport
V. ADJOURN
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Ms. Lois Seeger
3300 Queensland Lane
Plymouth, MN 55447
Dear Ms. Seeger:
I received your letter of February 8 in which you indicate your concern with
respect to speed zone signing on Vicksburg Lane.
Vicksburg Lane has since the mid -1970's been high on our priority for speed
enforcement. When the road was widened from a very narrow two-lane road in
1974, the Council established a speed limit of 30 mph on the roadway. This
also was deemed to be advisable because of the many drivways accessing onto
the road as well as the high school and the traffic it generates. Over the
years, the speed limit was revised to 35 mph by the Minnesota Department of
Transportation, the agency which now is responsible for establishing speed
limits.
I appreciate your concern for what may appear to be a lack of appropriate
warning that the speed limit changes at County Road 6. I do not believe
that a "reduce speed ahead" sign would necessarily be any better warning to
the driving public than the present speed limit sign which is in place.
The major difference between Vicksburg Lane north of County Road 6, as
compared to that segment south, is that the northern segment has only a very
few street accesses, while up to the south, there are numerous driveway
accesses as well. In addition, the roadway width north of County Road 6 is
52 feet, while to the south it varies from 40 to 36 feet.
I regret that one of your earliest experiences with our community has been
less than positive. I hope in the future that your involvement with the
City will be more favorable.
Yours truly,
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Manager
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Mr. Richard Weber PUMOUTR
15435 County Road 15
Plymouth, MN 55447
Dear Mr. Weber:
This shall acknowledge your letter of February 6 which was received in our
office on February 11 addressed to Mayor Davenport. Mayor Davenport is
currently out of town and I am taking the liberty of responding to your
letter in his behalf.
We, too, are concerned about traffic on County Road 15. Within the next
year it is likely that County Road 15 between Vicksburg Lane and I-494 will
be "turned back" to the City of Plymouth. When this occurs, the City of
Plymouth will be the agency responsible for the maintenance and repair of
the roadway. The Minnesota Department of Transportation will still have
jurisdiction over the establishment of speed limits on the roadway as they
do on all roadways in the State.
In the meantime, the Police Department has been intensifying its radar
surveillance of County Road 15. This type of activity is difficult during
our many winter weather conditions, however, you can be assured that they
will continue to give it a high priority.
We deeply regret the accident involving your young son. From information I
have received from the Police Department, it appears that your son may have
either walked or ran into the side of the moving vehicle. Fortunately, it
appears that the automobile was not travelling at an excessive rate of speed
and your son was spared greater injury.
The City's Thoroughfare Guide Plan classifies County Road 15 between Niagara
Lane and Vicksburg Lane as a "major collector". Major collectors are road-
ways designed to distribute traffic to the arterial roadway system from
"minor collectors" and from major traffic generators. The arterials in this
area include County Road 15 from Highway 12 to Vicksburg Lane, Vicksburg
Lane, the new Carlson Parkway, County Road 6 and, of course, I-494. As
Plymouth continues to develop we anticipate that the traffic on County Road
15 will also increase. In terms of total daily traffic, we anticipate that
by the year 2000 the average daily traffic will increase to about 15,375
from about 6,300 in 1980. The projected afternoon peak hour traffic is
anticipated to increase from 501 in 1980 to 1,230 in the year 2000. If
these projections are accurate, it will be necessary to widen the present
roadway at some date in the future. Roads such as existing County Road 15
have a capacity of between 8,000 - 10,000 vehicles per day. The City
currently has no specific plans or time table to undertake the widening of
County Road 15, although such a consideration will be given as the City
reviews its 1986-90 Capital Improvement Program later this year.
3400 PLYMOUTH BOULEVARD, PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA 55447, TELEPHONE (612) 559.2800
Mr. Richard Weber
February 15, 1985
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We share your concern for the safety of the people residing along and using
County Road 15. Please feel free to give me a call if you have any further
questions on the status of County Road 15 or ways in which we might be able
to improve its safety.
Yours truly,
mes G. Willis
City Manager
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Fred Moore, Director of Public Works
Dick Carlquist, Director of Public Safety
February 6, 1985
David J. Davenport, Mayor
City of Plymouth
3400 Plymouth Blvd.
Plymouth, Mn 55447
Dear Mayor Davenport,
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I am a resident of County Road 4115 (15435) writing again, concerning
the traffic on the road. Over the last eight years, I have watched
the traffic and danger continue to increase. I have talked and
written to the County several times over the last 5 years, and all
they do is laugh at me. I have talked a couple of times to Fred
Moore of the City, but he says the County has to act. No one,
neither the County or the City wants to assume the responsibility for
a hazardous and dangerous situation.
Our son of 5 112 just had his cast removed after three months. He
was hit by a car last October 11th standing at the end of our
driveway. He was a very lucky boy, and us lucky parents to have him
with us today, but, that road will leave its scar- permanent damage
to his right leg. The 35 mph speed limit is a joke, the traffic
moves too fast through a heavy residential area and a very narrow
road. This accident could of been prevented with a couple of stop
signs, but the anger, pain and frustration my wife and I went through
will continue, until we see some action. I would greatly appreciate
this road being evaluated PLEASE before one of our children in the
neighborhood are not as lucky as my son.
Thank you for your prompt consideration to this very serious problem.
Mr. Richard Weber
15435 County Road 15
Plymouth, Mn 55447
cc: Plymouth City Council
DATE: February 13, 1985
TO: Jim Willis, City Manager
FROM: Mel Solberg
Lois Jeanne Seeger, 3300 Queensland Lane was cited for speed on January 29,
by Officer Dave Digatono. Officer Digatono stated that he was traveling
northbound on Vicksburg Lane. At approx. 8th Ave. No., he observed Ms.
Seeger's vehicle traveling southbound near 10th. Ave. Her vehicle activated
his radar at 50 mph. She quickly reduced her speed to 46 mph. and he was
able to lock this speed into the radar screen. During the stop, Ms. Seeger
made the statement to Officer Digatono that she was on her way to Wayzata Sr.
to pickup her children and she wanted to beat the bus traffic into the school
1 of .
Ms. Seeger entered the 35 mph zone at County Road # 6. She traveled approx. 4
blocks (area of Luce Line) before coming in contact with the radar. It is
Officer Digatono's opinion that she made an attempt to slow to the 35 mph limit
when she spotted the marked patrol car.
Officer Digatono stated he did not suggest to Ms. Seeger that she should call
the City Manager in regards to the location of speed signs.
This is the only contact the Plymouth Police Department has had with Ms. Seeger.
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Richard Weber
15435 County Road # 15
Officer John Larson stated that Mr. Weber was standing across the street talking
to a neighbor. The boy wanted to be with his father and in crossing County Road
# 15, walked or ran (John wasn't sure) into the side of the moving car. Damage
was done to the passenger side door handle. It was—ffficer Larson's opinion that
the vehicle was only traveling 15 to 20 mph. He said there were 2 feet of skid
marks made by the right rear tire. The point of impact was 3 feet from the white
fog line (shoulder).
cc. Chief Carlquist
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Feb. 15th, 1985
Dear Mayer & City Council,
I am writting this letter to thank the City of Plymouth for the
assistance in the necessary repairs on our home. Theses repairs in-
clude roofing, insulation, windows, doors, proper wiring, wall in
garage, steps, city water....etc.
This work was done by very competent contractors all obtained
thru the efforts of Mr. !lilt Dale. These efforts have resulted in
approximately a 30% saving on our energy bills, plus the feeling of
a home like new.
Again a note of THANK -YOU!
Plymouth truly is a beautiful place to live!!!
Sincerely,.
1220 E. WAYZATA BOULEVARD
WAYZATA. MINNESOTA 55391
473.5577
February 18, 1985
Plymouth Police Department
Plymouth City Center
3400 Plymouth Blvd.
Plymouth, Minnesota 55447
We would like to thank the members of the Plymouth Police
Department for their help during the funeral services at
the Wayzata High School, for teachers Bill Koski and Bob
Miggins. Due to the large attendence of the services your
willingness to help direct traffic was very much appreciated.
Also, we would like to thank you for all your help over the
years with house calls at the time of death and again with
traffic control during services.
Sincerely,
C,
David E. Lee
Director
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MARIA VASILIOU
18325 - 31ST AVENUE FORTH
PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA 55447
February 8, 1985
Mr. Frank Boyles
Assistant City Manager
City of Plymouth
3400 Plymouth Blvd
Plymouth, MN 55447
Dear Frank,
When you filled in for Jim at the council meeting a couple weeks ago
I couldn't help but think back to your humble beginnings with the city
and my first meeting with you. As I recall, Jim sent you over to meet
with us at Shenandoah and the specific task was to determine where the
water was coming from that ran down Shenandoah Lane and after we solved
that, we discussed some problem with a garage door that one of the city
vehicles had damaged. I remember you took pages and pages of notes:
We've come a long way, wouldn't you agree?!
Seriously, you really do such a professional job with any project you
undertake and your presentation skills are superb. I've heard from
people who have dealt with you that you are very professional and that
you represent the city well. As I've said to many of you, the recent
Pete Meyer survey is reflective of how much all of you truly care about
the image of the city and about your specific responsibilities.
I'm looking forward to working with you and I'm alot happier that it
will be city business we talk about and not damaged garage doors!
Keep up the good work.
Sincerely,
N."
Maria Vasiliou
cc: Jim Willis
MARIA VASILIOL
18325 - 31ST AVENUE NORTH
PLYMOUTH, NILNNESOTA 55447
February 8.
Laurie Houck
City Clerk
City of Plymouth
3400 Plymouth Boulevard
Plymouth, MN 55447
Dear Laurie,
After reading about you in "Who's who at Plymouth City Center" I
just have one question: Why ever would you want a Porsche after the
discussions we've had on how difficult it is to get a car serviced
properly the first time you take it to the dealer? Can you imagine
keeping a Porsche running with the track record we've experienced'
I was so impressed with your organizational skills when I had an
opportunity to work with you election night. You had every last de-
tail planned and things went very smoothly in spite of the fact that
the computer decided to shut down.
It was nice to read your comments about how nice it is to work at
City Center. I have sensed that all of you do care about each other
and you all seem to work well together.
Working full-time, going to school, raising a family and all the other
things you're doing makes you a wonderful role model for the rest of us.
I appreciate what you do and I look forward to getting to know you
better. You're an excellent representative of the city.
Sincerely,
Maria
cc: Jim Willis
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PLYMOUTR
February 20, 1985
Mr. Eugene S. Holderness
Edina Executive Plaza, Suite 203
5200 Willson Road
Edina, MN 55424
Dear Gene:
I was sorry to learn that you will be submitting your letter
of resignation to the Development Council at its next meeting.
I and the City Council also believe, as do you, that it is
important that the City and the Development Council continue
our dialogue through this vehicle.
I am sure the transition of leadership from you to whomever
the Nominating Committee selects will be smooth, but your nine
years of service to the Council will not easily be forgotten,
nor will you be easily replaced.
Gene, we would 'ke to thank you for your efforts these past
nine year f il' to improved communications between the
City and e mb :�z of the Development Council.
Sincer
David J. Davenport
Mayor
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CONSULTING
EDINA EXECUTIVE PLAZA, SUITE 203
5200 WILLSON ROAD
EDINA, MINNESOTA 55424
February 6, 1985
Mr. Jim Willis
City of Plymouth
3400 Plymouth Blvd.
Plymouth, Mn. 55447
Dear Jim:
PHONE
925-4083
Thank you for the chance to visit regarding the nominating committee
for the Plymouth Development Council. I believe it is important that
we continue our efforts and dialogue.
I am sure there will be new people who will see the benefits of the
Council and will take a leadership role in it. The nominating committee
of Peter Pflaum, Dale Kennedy and Bob Berger indicates the seriousness
of the commitment to the task. Dale and Peter have given time and
leadership to the Council for over a decade. Bob brings a wealth of
experience from the industry at large to the Council. I am sure they
will collectively select a good successor.
I will be submitting a letter of resignation to the Development Council
at our next meeting. I would presume that at that time we could have a
transition of leadership as a result of the nominating committee's work.
This will allow for a smooth flow. After nine years, I feel it is time
to give someone else an opportunity to do the work and to bring fresh
leadership to the task.
Jim, may I again thank you for the continued and increased support which
I have felt from you personally and from your staff over these past years.
Sincerely,
,/�� �
Eugene S. Holderness
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Peter Pflaum
Dale Kennedy
Bob Berger
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February 19, 1985
Ms. Chere Thompson
4730 Orleans Lane North
Plymouth, MN 55441
Dear Chere:
Congratulations on being selected by the Northwest Branch of
the YMCA as its 1984 Youth Citizen of the Year.
I understand that you were selected from a number of other
well-qualified young people and that you were chosen because
of your citizenship, leadership and service to others in
your school, community and the Northwest YMCA Branch.
Your being selected for this honor reflects positively upon
your family and, he community of Plymouth. Congratulations
again.
Sincerely,
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Dav d J. Davenpozft
Mayor
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February 20, 1985
Mr. Vernon F. Peterson
17425-D County Road 47
Plymouth, MN 55446
Mr. Howard L. Hunt
17205-D County Road 47
Plymouth, MN 55446
Dear Vern and Howard:
I believe by now you have received copies of the February 1,
1985 memo from Fred Moore to Jim Willis. Also, on January
25th Doug Reeder, the City Administrator for Maple Grove,
corresponded with Councilmember Pat Neils indicating that
Maple Grove would be working with the City to remove sediment
in a 50 foot stretch of Elm Creek and that the work should be
commenced within the next 30 days.
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thisklem that has plagued your properties. Please
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Sincdrel
David J. Dav�hport
Mayor
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February 20, 1985
Mrs. Robert Miggins
13416 County Road 15
Plymouth, MN 55441
Dear Mrs. Miggins:
I was saddened to learn of Bob's death while my family and I
were vacationing recently in Colorado. I know that the last
few weeks that you, Bob and your family were able to spend
together were very special ones. The humorous but sound bits
of advice he had for the family were indicative of his warm
spirit and zest for living.
I am sorry that I could not attend Bob's memorial service
but I understand it was very beautiful. Thank you for allowing
it to be at the high school so that the hundreds who mourned
Bob's passing could celebrate his life through the beautiful
eulogies that were said.
Bob's death is something we cannot understand, but his brief
sojourn on earth enriched the lives of many. He has now been
entrusted to God's love, a love that sustained him in his life
on earth and nurtures him now in Heaven.
It will be our continued prayers for you and your family that
you be given the courage, faith and the strength to meet the
days ahead, secure in the knowledge and the joyful expectation
of one day being all reunited again.
If there is anything I might do for
your be e please call me.
D st y
David J. avenport
Mayor
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you or your family during
God's speed.
3400 PLYMOUTH BOULEVARD, PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA 55447. TELEPHONE (612) 5532800
February 20, 1985
Mr. Bruce D. Willis
Popham, Haik, Schnobrich,
Kaufman & Doty, Ltd.
4344 IDS Center
Minneapolis, MN 55402
Dear Bruce:
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Thank you for your February 14th note asking that your name be
withdrawn from consideration for appointment to the Plymouth
Planning Commission.
I appreciate your candor in evaluating your current time commit-
ments. As you predicted, we did have a number of able applicants
to consider and I suspect the Council will be making a final
decision on the vacancy next Monday evening.
By copy of this letter I am advising our City Clerk, Laurie
Houk, of your continuing interest in being considered for an
appointment to the Planning Commission in calendar year 1986,
should a vacancy occur.
Thank you a n for note. Hopefully our paths will cross
again soon
Sincere
David J. Dalenport
Mayor
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Ms. Laurie Houk
3400 PLYMOUTH BOUL9 v,4RD, PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA 55447. TELEPHONE 1612, 559 2;%
04 �O Metropolitan Council
300 Metro Square Building
v A Seventh and Robert Streets
St. Paul, Minnesota 551121
Telephone (612) 291-6359
February 14, 1985
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James Willis, City Manager
City of Plymouth -- "
3400 Plymouth Boulevard
Plymouth, Minne o .55447
Dear Mr./of
s:
On behalh etropolitan Council, I want to thank you for taking part in
our annual Stat of the Region event. The combined sewer overflow (CSO) panel
was well received, as the size and attentiveness of the audience illustrated.
Your comments led to a full discussion of the underlying issues during the
question and answer period. Your openness and willingness to answer very
difficult questions regarding funding and the implications of not separating
the system were also appreciated, as they helped ensure a full airing of the
issues. I am sure our staff will keep in touch with you.
I look forward to working with you in the future. Thanks again for your
contribution to the panel discussion.
Sincerely,
Sandra SkGarbring
Chair
An Equal Opportunity Employer
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