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Special Council Meeting
February 25, 2003
Mayor Johnson called a Special Meeting of the Plymouth City Council to order at 5:30 p.m. in
the Public Safety Training Room, 3400 Plymouth Boulevard, on February 25, 2003.
COUNCIL PRESENT: Mayor Johnson, Councilmembers Neset, Hewitt, Slavik, Bildsoe, Black,
and Stein.
ABSENT: None.
STAFF PRESENT: City Manager Johnson, Assistant City Manager Ahrens, Finance Director
Hahn, Community Development Director Hurlburt, Park and Recreation Director Blank, Police
Chief Gerdes, Public Works Director Faulkner, Ice Arena Manager Abel, and City Clerk
Paulson.
Discussion on Request for Third Sheet of Ice at Ice Center
Dave Sorenson, from the Wayzata Hockey Association, presented their request for a third sheet
of ice at the Ice Center. He indicated that there is a demand for another sheet of ice due to the
growth in this sport. Their association serves primarily Plymouth residents, but the Robbinsdale
School district is also in support of their efforts. He explained the youth programs are divided by
the high school districting. He stressed that their association supports a third sheet of ice and
would commit to fundraising for that purpose. He stated their constituents desire another sheet
of ice in a central location maintain the standard that has been established in Plymouth.
Greg Gibson, from the Wayzata Hockey Association, added that one of their goals is to have
enough facilities to keep more youth active in the sport—not just the elite players. He agreed
with Mr. Sorenson that there is a tremendous growth with this sport, and they have had to curtail
the girls' program due to the limited facilities. By adding a third sheet of ice, it would provide
an additional practice facility during the week, and they would be able to increase the number of
tournaments per year from nine to 12 as well as expand their clinics. Currently, the youth must
be five years old in order to participate, but they would like to add a mini mite program similar to
Orono's. One of their biggest concerns is the travel time for the youth to the hockey facilities,
and the amount of time kids have to be away from home.
Dan Frederick, from Providence Academy, stated parents who have children enrolled in their
school are requesting hockey. Their students do need to have more programs available to them.
He stated it's difficult to create a hockey program when the only hours that could be available to
them would be before school and an hour here or there every few weeks. He stated they have
been very successful with their enrollment, and by next year, the school should be half occupied
full enrollment would be approximately 952 to 1,000 students).
Park and Recreation Director Blank stated the goal is that the third sheet of ice would be self-
supporting.
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Councilmember Black stated she is very supportive of the request; however, there are issues that
would need to be addressed, such as additional traffic to the adjacent neighborhood, parking, and
avoiding any impact to the wetland located east of the Ice Center.
Mayor Johnson asked why New Hope's ice facility isn't fully iced year around. Park and
Recreation Director Blank replied he is unsure why they only use the facility for a "typical"
hockey season when Plymouth utilizes their facility year around.
Councilmember Bildsoe stated he can appreciate the interest for a third sheet of ice, but is
concerned about any financial implications the City could experience due to the State's budget
problems. Therefore, at this time, he would be very reluctant to make a commitment of this size.
In addition, there is a perception by residents on how the City is spending their funds due to
these difficult economic times. In addition, after reviewing the sketches of the proposed facility,
he is uncomfortable in how the third sheet of ice would be incorporated with the existing facility
as well as the flow of traffic in this area.
Councilmember Hewitt echoed Councilmember Bildsoe, and stated that there are residents who
are concerned that a third sheet of ice isn't currently a basic need of the City. She stated when
the City previously considered a skatepark at this location, there were many concerns from the
adjacent neighborhood. She stated the timing isn't the best for a project of this size.
Councilmember Stein agreed that financing is an issue, but if the funds were available, it would
be acceptable to him. He agreed that the parking and wetland issues would also need to be
addressed. If these items were all addressed, he would support the project, as it would be an
asset to the City. He suggested that there be more common space in the new arena.
Councilmember Slavik stated she is concerned about financing the project as the State's budget
problems could have a significant impact on the City. She stated she is also concerned about the
parking issues.
Councilmember Neset stated he could support a third sheet of ice. However, he also shares the
concerns related to parking, traffic, and impacts to the wetland. He stated a third sheet of ice
should be self-supporting, but what if it isn't?
Mayor Johnson stated there are other significant park projects that the Council has been
considering, which include finishing the lower level of the Plymouth Creek Center, and
acquiring land for a 10`h playfield. She is concerned about the perception from constituents, as
well as issues relating to the location of the proposed third sheet of ice.
Mr. Sorenson stated this type of discussion also occurred in 1994 when planning occurred for the
Ice Center. He stated there is never a good time to construct a facility, but the Council needs to
provide leadership. He stressed their association would provide a commitment to the City to
make sure that the third sheet of ice would be fully utilized. He agreed that the traffic issues
would need to be reviewed further. He also shares the concern of avoiding any impact to the
wetland.
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Mr. Frederick stated it was very difficult for Providence Academy to receive bids for
construction of their school a few years ago. Currently, they are in the second construction phase
for their school, and there is a lot of interest from contractors due to the economy. Therefore, he
suggested that the Council take advantage of the current competitive bidding situation and
proceed sooner rather than later in order to save construction costs.
Greg, also from Providence Academy, stated there are 12 youth in five of the eight homes on the
cul-de-sac in his neighborhood (Autumn Hills), that play hockey. He stated there is a significant
demand for ice time. He noted that the Ice Arena is a beautiful facility, and he requested the
Council to add a third sheet of ice to make it even a better facility.
Mayor Johnson stated Providence Academy originally considered constructing an arena on their
site.
Mr. Frederick agreed that the original plans did include an ice arena. However, he is unsure if
there is currently ample space on their site. They would've planned the area differently if staff
would have allowed them to construct an ice sheet.
Councilmember Black stated her biggest financial concern is if other projects may have to be
deferred due to the construction of a third sheet of ice. She stated acquiring the land for the 10`h
playfield shouldn't be deferred as property values keep increasing.
Mayor Johnson stated if the Council were to conduct a referendum on this issue, it would be by
mail ballot unless it could be placed on a General Election ballot (even years only). A mail
ballot election could cost approximately $60,000.
The Council requested that staff provide a report on the following issues involving a third sheet
of ice:
1. Financial implications.
2. Parking concerns.
3. Traffic flow patterns.
4. Impact to adjacent wetland.
5. Referendum.
6. Other possible users that could assist in sharing the cost (business community, Acceleration
Minnesota, etc.).
Mayor Johnson and Councilmember Black suggested that the Wayzata Hockey Association and
Providence Academy meet with the adjacent neighborhood to discuss traffic, parking, and noise
concerns.
Councilmember Bildsoe suggested that the Council meet again with the Wayzata Hockey
Association and Providence Academy to discuss the issues that are non-financial.
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Adiournment
Mayor Johnson adjourned the meeting at 6:55 p.m.,
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Sandra R. Paulson, City Clerk