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SPECIAL COUNCIL, MEETINC
NOVEMBER 239 1987
A special meeting of the Plymouth City
order by Mayor Schneider at 7:30 p.m.
Chambers of the City Center dt 3400
November 23, 1987.
Council
In the
Plymouth
was galled to
City Council
Boulevard on
PRESENT: Mayor Schneider, Councllmembers Vasl lou, Crain, and
Sisk, City Mdndger Willis, Ass[St,int Manager Boyles,
Planning Director Tremere, Public Works Director
Moore, City Attorney Thomson, dnd C[ty Clerk Brandt
ABSENT: Counc 1 lmember 1 i tur
CONSENT AGENDA
Mot lon was made by Councllmember Crdln, seconded by CONSENT AGENDA
Councllmember Sisk, to adopt the consent dgenda as presented. Item 4
Hotinn cdrrled on d Roll Cdll vote, four dyes.
summer of 1988 d id continue into
HINUTLS
MOTION was made by Councllmember Crdin, seconded by MINUTES - RICULAR
Councllmember Sisk, to approve the minutes of the Regular MEETING, NOV. 16
Council meeting of November 16, 1987 d, submitted. Item So
Mot 1011 cdrrled on d Roll Call vote, four ales.
PUBLIC HEARING
Mdndyer Willis stated the public hearing is to consider the
loctitic,n dnd design for the C.R. 6/1-494 Interchange,
U[rector Moore read d statement for the record on the hearing
procedures.
Rcln CeerdLs, Strgdr-Roscoe -1 auseh, Inc. , project engineer,
expl4ilned the process by which the lnterchdnge access will he
approved dnd the scope of the project. Most of the right-of-way
ti eeded i the lndustridl area has beer obtdlned by the City but
not in the resident[dl area. Construction is scheduled to begin
In the summer of 1988 d id continue into the late fall of 1990.
Councllmember Sisk asked why accelerdtion/decelerdtlon 1dnts
were being proposed fur 494 when there weren't dny dt other
lnterehdr yes .
PUBLIC HEARING -
C,R, 6/1-494
INTlRCHANCF LAYOUT
Item 6-A
Special Council Meeting
November 29, 1987
Page 350
Mr. Geerdes .inswered that the forecdsted traffic volumes warrant
the lanes. The reason is the close spdclnq betwee.•it this dnd
other Lnterchdr ges.
Mdyor Schneider opened the public hedrii y at 7:49 p.m.
LeRoy Re, 14411 C.R. 6, asked about the projected traffic on
6
Mr. Gerdes answered that It wLIL be In the neighborhood of
20,000-30,000 per day.
Mr. Reinke stdted the right-of-way required would put C.R. 6
within 30-40 ft. of his front door and take dll his trees.
There Is d drop of dpproxlmdtely 4 ft. from the rodd to his
gdrdge. Once construction Is finished, It would ledve d very
steep grade. With sdlt from the rodd being plowed Into the
smdil frontydrd, it will be Impossible to grow grass. He would
prefer if his whole house would be taken.
Mdyor Schneider stdted that may be part of the negotidtions.
Mr. Geerdes stated the prujected trdffle voLume li ?0,000 cars
per ddy !n 20 years dnd 10,000 per ddy r ow.
Dorothy Lorentzen, 14307 C.R. 6, requested the City take her
house loo.
Ken Neutgens, 14407 C.R. 61, stdted he would also lose his
evergreens dnd leave d too steep grdde to his gdrdge. He would
disci prefer if the City took his house.
Mdyor Schneider reminded Mr. Neutyens that this is not a ftndl
design but is probably close to what will fInd Ily tv
constructed.
The Mdyor closed the public hedriny dt 9:02 p.m.
Ulrectur Moore stdted dgdin thdt the hedrinq Is d requirement of
the federdl highwdy adminlstrdtion dnd will be open for written
comment for in ddditlondl 10 days. Comments should be addressed
to himself or Hill Crdwford dt MWOT.
Councllmember Vdsitiou asked dt *hit point In the process would
the affected residents be brought bdek into discussions.
W rector Moore dnswered thdt the firac stdge would be the bridge
over 494 with other rood work beginning In 1989. By Pall of
1938 the limits of the right-of-way wnuld he known do -id the City
could begin dequisltion.
CouneLLmember SLA asked if there was some wdy to let more
residents know about the hearii ys.
Speelal Council Meeting
November 2j, 1987
Page 351
Director Moore answered there Is nothing to prohibit
not if Leat tor., however, there Is no requirement for m -l Led
not I flcat.tons.
NOTION was nude by Counc l lmember Sisk,
Vdsltlou, that, In the future, a
communledtloo be used with directly
federdl, state, ar county projects,
seconded by Councllmember
more direct foam of
affected residents with
Councllmember Crain dgreed but ddded thdt the City did go beyond
the limits of the Ids with its notification by publlsY nq In
three r ewspdpeos.
Motion carried, four dyes.
PETITIONS, REQUESTS ANIS COMMUNICATIONS
Dick Piufkd, Planning Commis9loner dnd chdlr of the buildlnq
desthetics task force, st,)ted their task was to look at
aesthetics as d result of some discussions at the Pldnnlnq
Commisslon and Council. They believe there ought to be
heightened dwdreness of how d building will fit Into the
gurroundings. The Pidnninq Commission endorsed this and
recummended the Council adopt It as well.
Councilmember Sisk asked why the task force didn't recommend
more specific standdrds.
Mr. Plufkd dn..wered that they didn't find that any city tndt had
daopted this resulted In d better looklny community. Flymouth
Is looking for Innovdtion which would be limited by specific
stand.r63 and the review process would become too time
c;onsum 1 ng .
CouncLlmember Crdin stdted his concern with the lack of specific
standards. He believes this leaves the City with a much more
subjective process which Is susceptible to time delay while the
CuuncL 1, Planning Commission, or staff debate ds to a pldr's
accrptdbi l ity .
Mr. Plufkd stated they dre recommending guldeilnes which will be
applled but will not stop the process. In the event something
doesn't meet the guidelines, the developer would have the right
to yo un to the Pldnning Commission or Council to get their
opinion. The key item I$ the City's commitment to a policy of
heightened awareness of the need and desire to be attentive to
exterior destheties.
Ulrectur Tremere stated the task force also felt It was
difficult to adopt specific stdndards without boxing themselves
Into problems when developers asked for vdridnces from them.
Cousic I imember VdsLILou pointed out that desthetics are
subjective dncl dyreed that guidelines as proposed would be more
appropriate.
eUILDINC ALSIHE I ICS
TASK FORCE Rt POR!
Item 7-A
Special Counell Netting
November 1987
Page )Sd
Hob Burger, Plymouth Development Cnuncll and task force member,
stdte t e tr.ree moJor things d developer te.oks for are clarity.
C011913tene;y, and common sense, the Council by diking for
helghtened dwdreness, means there Is concecn in the community.
Hie believes design and color should not be leglslated but left
to Individual tdste. The proposed guldellnes dre workable and
something staff can live with without precluding d developer
from defending his case with the Plinning Commission or Council,
MOI ION ads made by Counclimember Sisk, seconded by
Councl member Crain, to adopt RLSOLUrION NO, 87-776 RLCE.IVINC
WORT PROM aUILDINC AESTHETICS TASK FORCE adding the foilowlnq:
Staff Is directed to drticutdte the Council's desire for
heightened dadret ess by forwarding the Council's decision to the
development community through d vdrlety of techt lques inctudlnq
urdlndaice imeGr dments which consoitddte statements of desthetic
poll -ay and stdr ddrds."
MUTTON ads made by Councilmember Craln, seconded by Mayor
Schneider, to dwebnd the motion to the effect that staff should
develop d recommended policy statement, rdther than ordinance
amendments, based or the letter of trdnsmlttdl from the Tdsk
Force, Pur review by the Pl,tt ttlny Commisaldn dod det tor by t1he
Council.
Director rrcmtare suggested thdt stdff curve back to the Council
with d policy statement that cousollddtes this.
Mr. NPlukd stdMed the comments did not address the Issue of
where the Colieteil should put this. There ads discussion dt they
PlannLnq Commissloi rmeetlny that it should be part of the
Comprehensive Flan Liemeitt on Coats, Objectives, and Criteria
and reference be made in the Zoning Ordindnce. The Mayor
questioned that, as d prdcticdl matter, and suygested d policy
resolution.
Ulrector Tremere dyreed with Counc;ilmember Crain's statement
that the oulde,llnes could be dddpted to a policy statement
furmdt, with reference to the policy in the luning Ordinance, as
with the ldndsedpe eriterid.
Motion to dmend carried, four dyes,
Mot loft as u iee .,mended cdrr led on a Roll Call vote, four dyes.
Councllmember Vasiliou asked why the workers will not .announce
the length or the stujy.
bill Morris, Decision Resources, Ltd., dftswered that they tested
this dM(Me refusdl record skyrocketed whe people were told it
would take 15 minutes. The dnswers were aiso skewed by the fact
thdt the people who tended to take pact were toss eduedted than
those refus!ny,
RESOLUTION NOe 87-776
AEsrmt r les wsK Ft1Rcr
RENON r
Item 7-A
WSIUENTIAL SURVFY
OUESIIONNAIHE
Item 7-B
Special Council Meet Ing
November 2!,, 1187
Page M
Counc i lmembar Yas 1 I lot asked .Tout
regarding Plymouth on Parade and
responses the Council had talked
dividing the newsletter.
the wording of
would It elicit
AMR at budget
the question
the type of
t low- ds to
Mr. Norris stated he could change the question to ask residents
why they read Plymouth on Parade to yet the answer that they are
looking art only recreational material or city news or both. The
survey will be conducted around December 7.
Councllmember Crain asked that the In City" option be added to
016 and dsked that #21 be moved to before 044 and 45.
Mr. Norris stated they try to break d serifs of questlons by
jumping around.
CouncIlmembr Crdtn stated It could be left where It was. /Ie
stated there is a growInq unwt l l lnyness for people to
Mart letpdte, lot sur,+e4s dnd strongly disdgree:s that residents
shouldn't be told how long the survey will take; he wdr ts people
told.
Mr. Morris stated he feels very strongly the other way but would
change It If the Count; l l de s t re s.
MUI ION was made by Cuune I Ln.ember Crain, seconded by
Councllmembec Ydslllou, to Include a time approximcition In the
lcntroductlo+c to the questlonndlre.
Ulscusslon followed on whether or not to tell residents.
Nutlo.t fdiivd, two ayes. Hdyur Schneider and Counc•ilmember Sisk
voted nay .
MUT1llN •jas made by Councl lmtuber Yasi llou, secondee) by Mayor
k.%hnelder, t strike "Pew" from the lntroduc.tion dnd add
sever ! I".
Motion carried, Pour dyes.
MOTION was mkide by Counc; l (member Sisk, seconded by Mdyoc
Schiielder, to approve the: survey questions with the chdnges.
Notion carried, four dyes,
Tom Erickson, attorney representing Lyrkdale Terminal, requested
the remova of the hours of operdtlo restriction. He pointed
cut that uses dt this Site are permitted uses In this tune and
nu vdriance4 were needed or ylven at dny time. The request
applies only to those permitted uses. It Is their opinlon that
they edn use the property for dny of those, uses. A condition
celdtitiy to hours of ope.rdtlon cannot be imposed becduse the
site meets the ordlnac ce standards. The Zoning Ordinance must
operdle uniformly and they dre the only store In the H-2 tone
with hours of uperdt tun put ur it. There is < store deruss ttte
HOLIDAY PLUS STORE
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street which oper-AeS 24 hours d day . A performutnce stdnddrel
has not been viol•uted, the Issue Is whether the restrictions on
operdtlons Is vdi Id dnd comments of neighbors shodeld not have
doy bemrtng. It is not apparent that emended hours wotstd hive
any negdtive lmpdct on the neighborhood. An hourly restriction
is discrimindtory so they dre dsking that It be removed.
Counclimember Crdin stdted the dreg mvtrket draw for Nbllday Ptus
wds projected to be fdr less than it detud ly ls. lie questioned
whether the examples listed tire competitors.
Mr. Erickson stated they tire 110t competitors but tire In 4t
s tml lar tone, 11-2.
Councllmember Crdlr dsked whether surrounding land should be
considered in d site plan.
Mr. Erickson xtdted the Council determined the tocdtton of this
B-2 tone.
Mdyur Schneider stdted the; Lighting ads site-speclf lc and the
neighbors were told they would be turned off at 11:00 p.m. flow
they stint to change this and have them on all night.
Mr. Erickson stdted the ordlr dnee sttindard is that there; be no
glare and that will be compiled with.
C.ouncILawmber Vdslttuu pointed out that this is different
because o! Its proxlmlty to d ne:lyhboohuoo ,ind agreements made
with the nelyhburs. She believes there is a difference with
other stores beeduse th.:;y were constructed before the
surroundli y homes. She dchled the yedr-to-date sLawwrle:s from
the ;.ollce department show that Hollddy Flus had S.S calls per
month which is high cumpared to slmtldr stores In spite of their
24 hour uperdt lost.
Por. Erick un stuted there: Is nothing to stop tiny of the other
stores fromtelling other thlnvjs than groceries. They tire nut
doing anythlny other thdt what's allowe3d by ordinance.
Roger Lygen' 9905 41st Ave., Stated this project impacted his
ne3 I ghboi hood, fte 24 huur aspect will have do ddd l t lona l
affect. the [slue of fairness is not correct, but mora d matter
of urgdnliatlon of the corpordtlun. Vdlrness to the nelyhburs
should be c•onsldere:d. The hours of opectit lon were a
Lumpromise" with them. if the Council is to mitntaln
credibility with the re;sidenl.s, they shoutd keep its promises
from the; urtylndl site plan. if this goes bock to court, their
contention could fIndlly be settled; It will be proven hdt this
Is not a nelyhburhoud shopping center but d reylundl center
which is not d permitted use. More: nuke it. the nelyhborhood,
more obtrusive Lighting, and more deliveries will not improve
the nelcihborhood.
Special Council Meet Ing
November 23, 1987
Page 355
Councllmember Sisk, st:.ited he Is riot comfortdble that the Council
hes ddegtdate Information to omke 41 dei-[slon.
M01ION wds made by Councllmember Sisk, seconded by Counettmeomber
Crdln, to defer the W ter uu t l 1 December 14 for more
laformatLon to Include the pollee depdrtment summary of nails
and the 111 l t l a l dpprovd i s drld agreement s.
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Coune I Ime.mber Crdtn stated that he needs to hdve more
lrtfornwt ion on the history of the neLghoorhood understdrldlnys
on the hours. This plays an lmportdnt rote In his mind,
Mdyor Sehnelder stated he Is concerned with the light on the
nplghbors' property, Ne asked the Council to vies the site at
various hours.
Courlcllmember Sisk reminded the rotoicll that they dre to
consider only the site dna related ordlltd(ce requlrrme11ts,
Md) or Schneider asked for dr estimate of costs for d
professional l lght Illy d1 a ly s l s of ver tous uses Its the E1-2 zona
tea determine whether there Is light spllldge dnd/or yldre onto
Idjolnlny sites, The study wou:1 show the various levels of
I1ghting dctudily found druulld %he City drld could indicate
cceptdbie VS, 1.111dCCeptc2bie IZ*.Cis,
Motlotl carried, four ayes,
M0f 1Utj wds mode by
Counettmember Sisk, to
UISHURSE.ME.N15 FOR THC
amount of $2,532,265.72.
Councllmlember Crdlrt, seconded by
adopt RESOLUTION NO, 67-777 APPROV1NC
PERIO0 ENDINC OCrOBLH fl, 1987 In the
Nit iots edrr ierd on o Roll Cd l l vote, four dyes.
MUT ION wds mode by Cuur cII(tmber fraIn, seconded by
Cuuttcllmembe:r Sisk, to adopt RLSOLU1lON 110, 47-778 APPROVING
PAYMt.N1 IN THL AMOUNT OF S47,641,45 TO He L, JOHNSON COMPANY,
Wtluti cdrrled On d Roll Cdlt vote, four dyes,
HEPORT:`, OF OFF 10E.RS, BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS
MC T LO' t was made by Counc 1 lme;mbe r Sisk, seconded by Coultc t imember
VdsWvu, t.o ddopt RESOLUTION NO, 87-119 RESCINDING POLICY
HLLATim; TO Tm. PURNOSE,, CREATION AND OPt.HArION OF THE PLYMOUTH
PARK ANI) RECHLATION LAND TRUST,
Mutlun cdrrled on d Roil Call vote;, four dyes.
MOTION wds made by Counullmember Sisk, seconded by Counclimember
Vdsiilou, to adopt RLSOLUTION NO. b7-780 REVIS1NC CITY COUNCIL
POLICY MANUAL,
Mut lu1 cd -r ted on a Ro 1 l Cd l l vote, Pour dyes,
RESOLUTION N0, 87-777
PERIOD ENDINC 1O/! 1I87
Item 7-D+
RESOLU11ON N0, 87-778
PARKERS LAKI' SITE IMF'.
Item 7 -l' •
RESOLUTION NO, 87-779
PARK L ANI) TRUST
Item 8-A
RESOLUTION NO, 87-790
REVISING PacTry
MANUAL
Item 8-A
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Sped l d 1 Council Pke t I req
November 2 i, 1987
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fhe Counet i rr_v Lewed the st.stus of public ImproveowtA projects,
UIrwetor Moore MAC(l tndt C.R. 9 141 now oyen and the water
tre:dtment pidnt Ll V,111 one wet!k behtrid nchedule.
Fhe meet[ny dd,jWrntd art IU:UO p.m.
6 f
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PURL I C I WIROW HI N 1
S F A F US lit' POR F
Item 8-F1