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HomeMy WebLinkAboutCity Council Minutes 11-19-1980 Specialr f i Page 405 MINUTES SPECIAL COUN%IL MEETMG PUM IC HEARING - PROJECT 606 - PARKER'S LAQ STORM DRAINAGE November 19, 1980 IMPROVEMENTS A special meeting of the Plymouth City Council was called to or.ler by Mayor Mtont at 7:30 p.m. in the cafeteria of Wayzata Senior 'sigh School, 305 Vicksburg Lane, Plymouth, Minnesota on November 19, 1980 to consider the installation of Storm rainage Improvements in the Parker's Lake Area, Project 606. PRESENT: Mayor Hant , Count i lmembers Davenport. Hoyt. Nei 1 s and Schneider, Manager Willis, Engineer &ore, Consulting Engineers George Boyer and Red Cc -lee ABSENT: None, Manager Willis reviewed the proposed storm drainage improvements in the Parker's Lake Area briefly and explaind the purpose of the meeting. The Tanager announced that notices of the hearing mire published in the New hope -Plymouth Post on November 6 and 1, as required by law, written notice was mailed to each property owners in the improviwent area, and discussions were herd at Council meetings on the subject project. Manager Willis exhibited maps ana slides of the Bassett Creek Watershed District and the Parker's Lake Storm Drainage District. Mr. Willis then discussed the cost distribution for the project proposed by the City Council's Assessment Committee based on the following assessment ratio's: 1 - law density residential; 1.1/2 - high density residential; 2%-industrial/comme cWe Mr. Willis stated if the project is ordered, assessments will be levied it; 1981 with taxes payable In 1982, and the assessments will be spread over ten years. City Engineer Moore reviewed the history of the Parker's Lake project and explained It is pare of the City's Comprehensive Storm Drainage Plan which was adopted in 1973. Consulting Engineer Boyer described the proposed project in detail and displayed slides depicting Parker's Lake and the surrounding wetlands. Rr. Boyer then re- viewed some alternatives that had been considered for providing an adequate storm drainage system for this area, commenting that the final proposal for a permanent solution to the storm drainage problem in the Parker's Lake area i; composed of several components including 11 an outlet at Parker's Lake, 2) enlargement of the Litton Pond, 3) imp.^ovements to the poinding system in the G1•.:anloch/Glen Echo lake area, and 4) other il,arovements to the trunk system includi fig a pond and associated storm sewer adjacen`. to Circle Park and an outlet for Lake Wobegone. Mr. Boyer stated the estimate) cost of the total work proposed as part of this project is 1,262062. Manager Wi 11 i s explained the City's assessment policy for storm drainage improve- ments and the Storm Sewer Improvement Tax Districts. The Manager then reviewed the procedures for the public hearing, Mayor aunt miviewed the history of the storm sewer project, which was first "Too- sidered by the Council in )96546 and brought to public hearing in 1972 and 19750 and explained the reasons for proposing construction of these improvements at the present time. Councilmember Neils commented on the City's philosophy relative to development and the associated need for storm sewer. 404. Special Council Meeting Ravember 19. 1980 Page 4q6 Mayor Hunt opened the public hearing at 8:25 p.m. Manager Wtilis reported written objections to the improvement project have been received from Dale R. Kennedy, 12710 - 13th avenue N.. Marguerite Schlebe. 13120 County Read 15. and Darrell liebrenz. 127258 - 13th Avenue N. Lara Fallstrom. 55C Kingsview lane N., stated he did not receive a notice of this hearngMr, Fallstrom inquired if there was a law prohibiting the blockage or natural drainage of lakes. He stated Parker's lake must have been dammed up at some time to cause the current flooding problems, since he believes there was a natural outlet to the lake at one time. Manager Vi111s responded, to staff's knowledge. the lake never had a natural outlet, and It was tyre purpose of this project to provide an outlet to the lake. Gar Morris. 15330 County Road 15, stated he did not receive a notice of this hearing, Mro Morris stated he built a pond on his property to hold storm water of his own expense. Mr. Morris alledged that new industries moving into the area were overtaxing the existing drainage syst.mm and causing flooding problems, and therefore they should be assessed at a higher rate for these improvements. He expressed concern about the impact of the proposed Carlson Center on the area. Manager Willis replied it is tete City's policy to assess commercial/industrial land 2-1/2 times the residential assessment. The Manager noted the Carlson Center property drains south into Minnetonka and does not drain into this area at all. Gordon Nelson. 403 Berkshire Lane, stated he has resided in his home since 1948 aR as een assessed for two storm sewer projects. Mr. Nelson objected to being taxed again for storm sewer. Mayor Hunt explained that everyone in the storm drainage district is assessed for any storm sewer improvements in the district, and requested the City Engineer to send Mr. Nelson 4 map showing the pipes the water draining off his property flows through. Robert Potts, representing Advance Machine Company, 14000 • 21st Avenue N., stated several businesses In the area compiled a list of questions regarding the project that he requested tie Council to answer. 1) Is their an alternative program which would accomplish the same results --- for example, pumping? Mayor Hunt replied pumping would not be the best solution to the problem since over a long period of time it would be very costly. Manager Willis noted that Parker's lake is jus: one portion of the proposed project, and pumping water indefinitely into the Mi nnehaha Creek Watershed District wop,ld not be allowed. 2) Are all the tributary districts that were included in the hearing contributing to the problem? Councilmember Neils replied if the project is ordered specific site surveys will be conducted prior to the assessment hearing to establish which parcels, and what portion thereof. drain into this district, but these detailed surveys are not included in the preliminary engineering studies. 3) What organization or special interest group originated this study? Mayor Hunt replied the Council first considered this improvement project in 1965-66. A public hearing was held in 1972 to consider this improvement again. When the City adopted the Comprehensive Storm Drainage Plan in 1973. the Packer's Lake Storm Drainage Project was included in the plan, and another public hearing was held in 1975, but ;he project was not orderede last summer the Council employed Hickok and Associates to conduct a study of the problem and these engineering reports are available for Inspection at. City Hall. 406- r Special Council Meeting November ?9, 1980 Page 407 4) Now will the improvement be funded? Manager Willis responded bonds will be sold and repaid over a period of ten years with ten installments. 5) What has the cost of pumping Parker's Lake been and what would be the cost of expanding the pumping operation? Engineer Moore replied $1,000 has been spent for pumping Parker's Lake three times sinc: 1975, 6) Will the public land in the district pay their share of the assessments? Manager Willis replied the Hennepin County Adult Correction Center will be assessed for the project as well as the Driver's Testing Center, and the City will pay its share for the Public Works Garage property. Peter Malherek, 209 Lanewood lane, inquired if two watershed districts were involved n e project. Mayor Hunt answered the Parker's lake drainage disc trict is a sub -district of the Bassett Creek Watershed District. MM. Malherek claimed Parker's Lake is its own watershed and does not drain into any other district, and proposed this should be two individual projects and the Parker's Lake area should be assessed separately from the Bassett Creek Watershed area. Mr. Mialherek spoke in favor of chanelling the runoff from Parker's Lake into Gleason Lake since it could be accomplished at a mire reasonable cost. Manager Willis responded Parker's lake drainage must go into the Bassett Creek drainage area and it is not reasonable tc. expect that district to pay for the costs of handling this runoff. The Manager reported the lake today is over 930 ft. elevation and will remain at that elevation until an outlet is constructed. He stated two months ago the elevation was 941.5 ft* and it was flooding property around the lake. Mr. Willis stated the City cannot perpetually flood private property. Councitmembers Neils commented when evaluating a lake or pond which has no outlet, you are faced with a cumulative amount o` w;;ter that continues to rise with each rainfall. Council mast consider not inly the current degree of water collection in Parker's lake and Litton Pond. but also what it will be in the future as more upstream land is developed and waterproofed. Council - member Neils contended postponing a solution to the problem will cost more dollars in the future. Gordon Straka, 14606 County Road 6, claimed there was once a natural outlet tour er s ake and he reviewed the natural drainage pattern of the lake in the past and stated it has been blocked by development in the area. Michael Jensen, 14325 - 12th Avenue N., stated his home is adjacent to Pond 19A and-5-0 assumes all of the water will eventually drain into this pond. Rr. Jensen inquired what level of elevation will this pond get to before it flows into the pipe that will take it to Fesnbrook Lane and what assurance he would have that water will not flood his property before it runs into the 30 in. pipe on Fernbrook. Engineer Boyer replied the elevation of We Jensen's house is 937.6 fte and the elevation of the pond is proposed at 934.5 ft. Mr. Boyer stated the lowest house is on 12th Avenue and Harbor Lane at 935.9 ft. The Engineer commented the system is designed so that the outflow from Parker's Lake is zero until all the ponds downstrem are cleared out. 407 - Special Council Meeting November 19, 1980 Page 408 Ken Gardner. 1240 Harbor Lane, stated he can verify Mr. Straka's statement that tete outlet to Parker's Lake once flowed through his property, but the construction of I-494 blocked the natural drainage. Mr. Gardner incwired if the holding ponds will create a mosquito problem in the ares and what will be done to control this He also asked if Harbor lane is higher than Fernbrook One. Engineer Boyer replied the elevations he previously gave were at basement leve) and the street is higher. Mr. Gardner asked if there presently was a storm sewer entering Parker's Lake and if the City was monitoring contaminants coming in fr,w this pipe. Manager Willis pointed out the storm sevAir entering Parker's Lake from the southwest and stated the DNR would mo,:'Or such a problem, if there was one. but the City is not equipped to deal with this type of problem. C. W. Gordon, 13512 County Road 15, slated he lives on the north side of County o'ad—T97F Wever, water from his property flows south to Highway 12. Mr. Gordon objected to being assessed for this project. Mayor Hunt reponded every property that could possible drain into this district was noticed for this hearing, but at the time specific site surveys are done aiy property that does not drain into the district will be deleted from the assessment roll. Dennis Lieber . 705 Pineview lane, stated when he developed hts property he roug n l and grass which resulted in less runoff from his land and he objected to more draining and ditching which will result in losing more wild- life in the area. Mayor Hunt replied development of land causes more runoff than occurs on open farmland. Manager Willis stated Vv proposed ponds in the Gleanloch/Glen Echo Lake area will be dredged out to postpone the time when they will have to be drained into Medicine lake. A. W. Wilber, 15225 County Road 15, objected to the inference in the notice o ear ng fat residential homes that have been in place for 15-20 years have added or contributed to water runoff in Plymouth. Mr. Wilber also ob- jected to being assessed again since he has been assessed in the past for other storm drainage projects and he feels the costs for this project should not be transferred to residents in the area since commercial/industrial developments have caused the problem. Harold E. Day, 410 Niagara Lane, stated there w4s at one time an outlet to Parker's lake and inquired if the construction of ;494 and Litton Industries blocked that outlet. Mr. Day stated the assessments to the Hennepin County Adult Corrections Center and the Driver's Testing Center will eventually be paid by the taxpayer also. John Seiler, 12805 - 13th Avenue N., stated he is the owner of the lowest house In tFie Glen Echo Lake area mid inquired if the 60 in. pipe that was proposed to connect to Pond 8047 would run across his property. Mayor Hunt stated in this type of situation, easements would be required from the property owner. Lori !!ebeisen, 107 Vinewood Lane N., stated five of his neighbors did not recolvenonof ce of the hearing. Mr. Hebeisen inquired if Cavanaugh's Pond, now known as Lake Wobegone, would be flooded. Engineer Moore replied there is no adequate outlet to this lake in the case of a LOQ -year storm and this will be corrected in the project. This pond drains to the north and will run into pipes in Gleanloch. 40B - II Special Council Meeting November 19, 1980 Page 409 R. Saracen, 12415 4avenwood Road, representing homeowners ;n the Gleanloch area, inquired if the area artund Pond 2; on Kirkwood lune was included in the improvement p oject. Engineer Moore stated it was not included in the project, Mr. Saracen inquired what the costs for pumping would be on a long range basis, Manager Willis responded there are no long range plans for pumping Parter's lake and the Gleanloch area drains by gravity and will continue to do so 1n the proposed system. Mr. Saracen proposed the cost for pumping Parker's Lake would be more reasonable than proceeding with this project. Manager Willis explained the tempoary pumping of the lake was done in an emergency basis, but as the property north continues to develop, the frequency of flooding will continue and the degree of water level will rot be able to be maintained; also, the area east of Parker's Lake basin will have to be improved irrespective of the pumping of the lake. Mr. Saracen inquired why the Minneapolis Industrial Park is not included in ti,is storm Orainage distrlet. Manager Willis replied water from that, area drains northe%ll,y across Highway 55 and they have previously been assessed for their oHr, ,:tone sewer improvements and for those improvements associated with downstream conveyance of their water. Mr. Saracen inquired if every member of the Council was In agreement with this project. Mayor Hunt replied the Council agreed to go to public hearing on this project and they will make a decision some time in the future on whether to construct this project, Mr. Saracen asked if the Carlson Center would have any effect on this project. Manager Willis replied none of that water drains into this project, but it drains south to Highway 12. Mr. Saracen inquired about the funding of t,te project, Mr. Willis replied bonds will be sold to finance this project, as well as the other projects in the 1981 Capital Improvements Program, Tne Manager stated the project will be constructed over one constructio.i %eason, but it will be assesseO over a ten-year- period, Mr. Saracen objected to Gleanloch being included in the project as they already have a storm sewer systew, that flows into Medicine lake, Manager Willis replied these ponds must be dredged and enlarged so that they can participate in the storm drat n,ige project. Ivy carrell, 1155C Kingsview Lane N., stated she has lived in her home on aMir s ake for 31 years and at one time there was a natural outlet to the lake that was blocked off by development of the adjacent area. Mrs. Farrell displayed pictures of the lake taken over the past 31 years, She claimed the flooding problem was a result of poor planning and O lowing hones to be built too close to the lake. Mrs, Farrell proposed that the engineering project should be designed to beautify the environment, Mayor Hunt replied it has been the policy of the City to do as much drainage as possible above ground 1Nith open ditching to eliminate as much piping as possible. The Mayor stated it is the policy of the City rot to allow construction below two feet above the high water level of tyle City's Storm 9rainage Plan, but the City cannot stop construction above this 'level, Manager Willis stated the normal low water level of Parker's Lake is 934 ft. and the high water level is este.blished at 938 ft., The highest, water level which occurred on the lake in 1175 was T41.18. 'the existing Mimes around Parker's Lake are above this Uvel. 409- Special Council Meeting November 19, 1980 Page 410 Dave %Yqren, 420 Berkshire lane, agreed with the need for the storm gra nage project but stated he feels costs are not being appropriate property. Mr, Nygren stated the 2-1/;? ratio for the industrial assess- ment should be higher because industrial development has covered the wetlands and thousands of yards of earth were moved out changing the topography during the development of the industrial park. He stated it is unfair to compere these massive changes to the teri•sin in the industrial park to the degree of coverage a residential lot has; and if changes in the terrain are made to such a degree, there must be a more equitable formula developed so that people that are causing most of the problem are paying most of the cost, Mr. Nygren objected to the changes made in the terrain of the Minneapolis Industrial Park with massive grading that changed the rolling hills into a bowl. Wayor Aunt responded that the Bassett Creek Watershed District was created in 1962, but uvitil the City's Comprehensive Storm Drainage Flan was adopted in March, 1973, there were no guidelines or restric- tions for grading in new developments in the City. Council recessed from 10:04 to 10:14 p.m, Mayor Hunt left th meeting and Acting Mayor Davenport assumed the chair. Jim Hartmann, 1140 Harbor Lane N,, inquired how many homes would be flooded If lar er s lake was excluded from the project, Engineer Moore replied two homes nave been flooded,, but many other homeowners have complained of water seepage in their basemelrts, This project would fix a leve' for the lake so it will not go above the 938 fx, elevation, Mr, i,artmarm asked if the level of the lake would get higher each year naturally, Acting Mayer Davenport replied the 'level of the lake would continue to Increase as development increases since there is w outlet to the lake at present. Engineer Moore replied it would be difficult to make an exact prediction of the level the lake would rise each year clue to development, because the calculation trust include variables sur.h as annual amount of rainfall and evaporation, Mr. Hartmann asked what level wil! be maintained in Pord 19A, Engineer Boyer rep:ied the level of the pond is now 932 ft, and it is proposed to be increased to 934,5 ft, Mr. Hartmann questioned this l.ivel in relation to the: levels of Pond 19J and Parker's lake. Engineer Moore rept iled the elevations referred ':o are high water levels snd are nor. the normal or outlet levels of elevation that will be maintained, The outlet level of Pond 1911 and Pond 196 will ke 932. Mr, Hartmann inquired iiho will srecifically benefit from the dredging of Pond P-20. Engineer Moore esponded Piwd P40 lies on land owned by the City of Plymouth and NSP, Mr, Hartmann stated he did not believe this was a public hearing and he did not believe Council considered any serious alternatives to this project, holf Erickson, 14520 - 12th Avenue N., asked Council to be more innovative in -the uture instead or co1linuing to allow development on law parcels taking natural ponding out JJ the watershed area and destroying natuiral ponding areas, Acting Vayor Davenport responded that any time development occurs in the City wheris there is a pc%nd, marsh or wetland involved that the DDR deems environmentally significant, the DNR has the Authority to permit alteration of that area., and the City has no authority In the matter, 410 - 1 Spscial Council Meeti rq Noiember 19, 1930 Page 411 Phil Collins. 3fIR Vinewosd Lane N.i asked wky an additional dratnaga system isnecessary if Vhe Beacon Heights stern drainage system, which wits design" for a 100 -year rainfall. is functioning. Manager Willis replied the Beacon Ne:ghts project dial riot include all the improvements that are contemplated in this project. W. Collin, suggested the following options for solving the flooding problem: 1) require builders and developers to file an envirom mental impact state etnt; 2) let Parker's Lake rise to its normal level and the City acquire the property that is innundated; and 3) dredge the lower areas arouid Parker':; Lake to increase its ponding capacity. Cob Durand, 14",110 - 13th Avenue %—, asked the following questions: T ou a twrker's Lace flood if r'rinoff from the industrial park did not drain into the l,ske rind would the project lie necessary? Fngineer Madre replied if that ',land were developed residential instead of industrial, the water runoff would still increase over that of open farmland. Acting Mayor Davenport responded whether the lanai was improved to residential or igdustrial state, thir project would be necessary. 2) If the enti-e City benefits from the industrial park, why does not the entire City pay for this project? Acting Mayor Davenport replied the project must be assessed on the basis of legal ber.afit. 3) What assurance would there he that the dirt re rtoveJ from the proposed. poral ori 1"494 will not be useJ to fill in swamp; and ponds to further aggravote the drainage problem? Acting Maayer Daivenpf,rt replied this din may not be deposited on any environmentally. significant area without a fill pennit r;rem -We 4) Is there State monej going into this project'? Acting 'iayur 04wenport replied Mn/OOT will pay a portion of the cost for that portion comprising the freeway, Mr. Burand't stated since he has lived in the City he has objected to thki Issuance of building permits on substandard! parcels of property, and in particular, he ob„ected to the house being built on the peninsula on Parker's Lake by Wa;ly La:es since it is only six feet from the lake and the City street peoviding access to the property has been under water for over a year. Mr. Burandt stated Mr. Cates has a long record of political and financial dealings with the City Council, and he claimed this project is necessitated by the eonstructian of his house. Acting Mayor Davenport stated Mr. Cates was issued a buildin hermit on the basis that the base- ment building elevation of the house was 941.5 ft. Engineer (Moore explained the high water levelreferred to in the City's Ordinance. Mr. Burandt stated he intended, through the petition process, to request that an election be held to determine whethor or not the Parker's Lake drainage project should be financegi through irdwrial property assessment and the City of Plymouth's General fund, and mut through residential property assesvient. He presented a sample of the petition to the Acting Mayor. f"ie Nils Anderson, 910 Bpi ngsv i ew Lane, asked if new construction In 1981 will We assesso ` r this project. Acting Mayor Davenport stated if the project Is ordered and assessmeat is leyied. the land will bear the burden of that assessment and it will he paid either by the developer or the individual purcha scri of the property. Mr. Anderson inquired i f State or Federal finds were available for this project. Engineer Moore replied only the funds from Mn/DOT are available. Richard Schmidt, 14310 - 13th Avenue N.. stated his property drains into 1r,'.7 W inquired what the lowest elevation of arty house along Fernbroo" Lane is. Engineer Boyer replied the lowest homes on that ::tweet are at 4 6.1 ft. and 934.5 ft.; the elevation of the pond will be 934.5 ft. 411, itrecial Ccuncil Meeting November 19, 1980 page 412 Mr. Schmidt stated he felt building permits should not be issued by the City In areas where construction will cause drainage proble+bis later and suggested condemning the houses that are being innundated on Parker's lake and turn -Ing the land into parkland. Mr. Scheldt statord lend north of County Road 6 and west of 1.494 used to drain into !Medicine Lake, but tNit drainage pattern has been changed and it now drains inn Parker's take. ?* suggested that some of the pontis that have been i0lowed to evaporate should be dredged to increase ponding capacity of the area. Mr. Schmidt inquired what the operating and malmtenance costs and life expectancy of the proposed drainage system were. Engineer ttore responded the power cost over 20 years mould be $18,160; the We expectancy of the pumps was 20 years and the pipes was 100 years; the ponds would require dredging regularl;i and this cost ws not available. Mr. Sch lridt asked if the control structurrt on Parker's Lake would result in the flooding of homes on the lake. Engineer Boyer replied the nornal water level was proposed to be 934 ft and a 100 --year rainfall will produce sufficient wtater to raise that level to 937.86 ft. bttfore the outlet is a.tuated; this elevation will not flood 4ny homes on Parker's Lake. Mr. Schr idt inquired if the swamp acrosr; from his home will be filled with the material dredged from the ponds and the wildlife area destroyed. Acting (Mayor Davenport replied no decision has been made .is to where the fill will he dumped, but it will not be in that area. "tr. Sclm+idt stated he hoped this hearing was not merely a formality. John E. Boyer. 1 i25 Qakview Lane, asked If the ponds n the Bea4: , keights ara whfch Is not shown on the project mit>. Is i nc 1 uded in the project, Manger Willis replied noth!pig will be don a to that poid in ;his project. W. Boyer protested being included in this project since he has had no flooding problems. Engireler Roore replied his water dr,tins through the three ponds in the Gleanluch areas r eonard Vertnik, 1225 0akview Lane N., stated lie has lived in the Beacon 4fghtt arearmor 18 years, paid for storm sewer assessments years dgu, Id he ha.i not had dray flooding problems since the time t ha r, project was t mpleted. Mr. Vertnik stated ha felt the industrial park was the main r t ason for the proposed storm drainage project. and he felt ne should be g!jen credi' for storm sewer as!'-ssments he has already paid ,against any assessment N • thts project. oh, -r ltagenn, 5151: Harbor lane, requested Council to investigate the possible re }ration of Lho natural dra;rtage from Parker's Lake and request compensa- tion frai•i thotty ,rartisis that havit interrupted this natural diratnage with or withs, it Xuncil's ap;jrovala Mr. Hagen claimed Cirrle ''ark ran once a ponding area nd :ras IF Q led i n to create a recrea _tonal area ; h,* requeQted that the City °as vre, Ue ponds in that awe Mr. Hagen stated at one time there was a corm tnity on Parker's Lake aloig County Road 6 whicn was completely flooded out art, had tit tie abando6A, which indicates the flooding :cannot bt blamed entire, v on developments He sug;ested that it would tv more economical fqr the Cit,B to acquini the land thmo is being innundated ky the lake. Mr. Hagen inquired what compensation the consulting engineers are: receiving from this project and claimed that they would recommend the most costly solation since they oere compensated on a percentage basis. Engineer Moore replied the engrnuering fee wouio be approximately six percent of the total cost of the project and this would include engineering costs. 42 ft Special Council 'deet1ng Noverber 19, 191. 1 Page 413 Eu one Swenson, 1x50 :ene t ane. stated the whole system of n'rrds behind s outs T airy and he suggested 't would be more economi ca- 1 to puwp the water from Parker's Lake into hese pends to solve the flooding problem. Engfneer Boyer stated it would re:;uite permission from the Min saahaha Creek Watershed District C.• permanently pump water from another district into theso ponds and evem :tally into Gleason Lake. Piro Swenson suggested Mr. Boyer could grant thi • permissior since he ways connected with the Minne:- haha Watershed District. Engineer Noire responded Dir. Sayer was not a member of the Board of the Minnehaha Creek Watershed District, but hired by the district as a consulting engineer. ter, Swenson stated the ponds in Cimarron Ponds were ruined by pump1ng water from Parker's Lake into these ponds and this damage sho•old be repaired. Dill Snyder, 40S Pi nev eek lane, stated he has lived on Lake wobegone avaruiuq s Pond) for te., years anal that lake has always been considered too low by residents in the arez, Mr. Snyder questioned the need for the proposed outlet on tnat lake since it is already too low, and he %tated since the project is assess i on tht, Iasis of legal benefit, he should not be assessed. engineer Roort Rtated the City's Storm Arai rage Plan, which calculates runoff under full,, developed conditions, states an outlet is necessary for that lake. Mr. Snyder stated he felt the land war: almost fully developed at present. k ),+ncilmember Neils stated if the residents desire the lake lv have a high%r elevation, this will be considered, if the project is ordered. when f tial plans and specifications are prepared. Colin Kantor, 320 Niagara lane, inquirod h,ow many homes have 'peen flooded since iiTMO-year rainYall in 1975. Engin4wr Dbore replied since 1975 one house on the north side of County Road i has been flooded and has presently been sandbagged' for fox months„ and approximately 20 homeowners have requested pumping because they are getting seepage frort their basement walls. Mr. Kantor asked if pump{ ng wi l 1 solve the problem of keeping the lake at an acceptable; lwnl. Engineer Moore replied it will not solve this problem because we cannot continue to pump through Cimarron Ponds into Gleason lake since we havt; only a temporary permit for emergency pumping which is based on the lewial of GleosoA Lake. Mr. Kantor inquired if the City has attempted to obtain appro%al to pump into Gleasoti Lake on a permanent basis. Enginel.r Boyer reel ied the elevation of Gleason Lake Is not a problem. but the creek goi• B downstream from thie lake into Wayzata has a flooding problem. Mr Boyer stated this solution was ruled out because of excessive cost independent of the problem of ac- quiring the perm;t since it would increase the project cost by $250,000 becaue'. it would require an additiorh.il pumping station at Litton Pond, Mr. Kanter asked if Litton Pond was "looding any property. Acting Mayor Davenport %eplied in 1975 it flooded I-494. Mr. Kantor concluded pumping Parker's lake into G?eason Lake would be the most cost effective solution. or the hoi,ses that are being innundated could be bought by the City. Counc i'mei ober Neils responded if we choose to 'let the water level of parker'!, :,ake go to higher levels, we would face the liability of having to acqu r, more and more land to accommodate it, and lakesnore lance is vory expeisive. Check Diinick. 1105 Harbor Lane, is the assessment ratio for commercial/ TRMIMT property fixed by state statute 4r by City ordinances. Acting Mayor Davenport replied It Is a City policy based on the recommendation of the City Attorney which is based co court de0sions in the State, 413w Special Council Feting Nevemter 19, 1980 Page 414 Mr. Danick e) -tressed concern about the drainage of Pond BC -19A. Engineer Boyer stated that pond may bte dredged Lut elevation will not be 'Wavered. Mr. Boyer described the proposed dralnale system from Kingsview to Marbo,e Lane. Everett Cline, 1230 Harbor lane N., stated he agreed with the need for that project and Inquiree if fill from the ponds would be dumped in Pond 20, Manager Willis reoiied it has not been reR©ived, but as much material as possible will be placed on City -owned land on the east side of Fernbrook Lane* Dwight Abrams, 330 Wedgewood lane. objected to the need for additional ra nage rom Pond P-22 since it involves a eery insignificant amount of water. Engineer Moore replied the City's Storm Drairtage Plan indicates drainage is needed out of this pend and this aroject proposes to provide the drainage necessary In ..he storm water dra 'nage district; however, each specific site will be *eviewed during pre'aritfon of final plans and specifications. Erica Urban, 1541 West Medicire Lake Drive, invired what effect the projectwTT1 Five on Medicine 6.ake. Engineer Nb%l)re replied this plan is being developed in accordarxe with the overall Storm Water Drainage Plan which is within the limits of normal .rater elevations in the Bassett Creek Watershed .'strict. Ms. Urban inquired if the waiter entering Medicine Lake will be clean and uncontami;ated. Acting Mayor Davenport responded there will be a system of settling ponds ar d marshes which will filter the water going into Medio 1ne Lake, Darlene Sollie, 510 N. Wedgewood Lane, Inquired where the system will ran into Wdicine Lake. Engineer %ore pointed out the existing storm sewer along the railroad tracks from which this i:ystem will drain into Medicine Lake, Ns. Sollie claimed they were informed that P -24A would take care of their storm drainage at the time it was installed and she asked what will happen in the next ten years if there is no outlet for these ponds. tngineer Moore er.plained the ponding system and stated these ponds have been constructed to adquately handle run;?f from future construction. The hearing was closed at 12:22 a.m. NOTION was made by Councilmember Neils, seconded by Councilmember Schneider, to defer action on Project 606 until the special Council meeeti,ig on Monday, November 24, 1980. Mation carried, four ayes. The meeting adjourned at 12:23 a.m. 414 - 1 Y,