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JULY 9, 1972,
A special meeting of the Village Council of the Village of Plymouth was called to order by
Mayor Hilde at 7:46 p.m. in the Council Chambers of the Public Works Building, 149,00 Twenty-
third Avenue North, Plymouth, on July 9, 1973.
PRESENT: Mayor Hilde. CouncilmaK Spaeth, Seibold, Neils and Hunt (arrived at 7:50 p.m.),
Manager Willis, Engineer Goldberg, Planner Overhiser and Consulting Engineers
Bonestroo, Cook and Schunicht
ABSENT: None ,
MINUTES - JULY 2. 1973 REGULAR MEETING
MGT'ION was made by Councilman Spaeth, seconded byor Hilde, to approve the minutes of
the -July 2, 1973 Regular Council Meeting with the flowing correction: Page 4, paragraph
2, second to the last sentence should be 0 5rificd to mean "6 to 7 units per acre on the
acres to be built upon." Motion carried, three ayes, with Coumcilman Seibold abstaining.
STORM DRAINAGE PLAN
Bob Schunicht of Bonestroo, Rosene, Anderlik b Associates outlined the storm drainage plan
for the Council. He explained the Village has been divided into four drainage districts;
Shingle Creek, Bassett Creek, Elm Creek and Minnehaha Creek. In the design of the storm
sewer conveyance system a five-year design storm was used with a 20 minute minium con-
centration time as It is a system that has proved to be economical and also prevents major
property damage. In the design of the ponds, they were designed on the 100 -year storm be-
cause frequently ponds will. have a large fluxuation in water level causing damage to nearby
homes. Ponds were analyzed on three basis: (1) wet ponds such as Medicine lake, (2) dry
ponds for the temporary storage of water, and (3) wet ponds excavated from areas where
primarily dry ponds existed before, Areas that would be innundated in the event of a loom
year storm occurs over the entire watershed area were shown, and the engineers explained
that these areas could be built on if they are filled to 2 feet above the high water level,
Appendixes E and D presented the cost estimates of the plan. Appendix D showed a break-
down of the cost per district and included an allowance of $2,000 per acre for land.
Appendix E showed a breakdown of costs on a point to point basis. Mr. Bonestroo pointed
out the importance of the ponds to the plan which carried out our policy of retaining as
much water within our community as possible. It was pointed out that this ponding concept
1s the major contributing factor for the low 2ht per square font estimate in the report.
Councilman Neils questioned if as development or platting occurs, open surface drainage
ways might substitute for some pipe in some areas. The engineers explained that each de-
velopment will be looked at as it comes in, In developing the plan they tried to consider
what would be the most probable. It was also pointed out that the more open ditches we
put in the more we open ourselves to maintenance costs. Councilman Spaeth stated he be-
lieved the ecology people will be forcing us to go to open ditches more and more to the
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A special meeting of the Village Council of the Village of Plymouth was called to order by
Mayor Hilde at 7:46 p.m. in the Council Chambers of the Public Works Building, 149,00 Twenty-
third Avenue North, Plymouth, on July 9, 1973.
PRESENT: Mayor Hilde. CouncilmaK Spaeth, Seibold, Neils and Hunt (arrived at 7:50 p.m.),
Manager Willis, Engineer Goldberg, Planner Overhiser and Consulting Engineers
Bonestroo, Cook and Schunicht
ABSENT: None ,
MINUTES - JULY 2. 1973 REGULAR MEETING
MGT'ION was made by Councilman Spaeth, seconded byor Hilde, to approve the minutes of
the -July 2, 1973 Regular Council Meeting with the flowing correction: Page 4, paragraph
2, second to the last sentence should be 0 5rificd to mean "6 to 7 units per acre on the
acres to be built upon." Motion carried, three ayes, with Coumcilman Seibold abstaining.
STORM DRAINAGE PLAN
Bob Schunicht of Bonestroo, Rosene, Anderlik b Associates outlined the storm drainage plan
for the Council. He explained the Village has been divided into four drainage districts;
Shingle Creek, Bassett Creek, Elm Creek and Minnehaha Creek. In the design of the storm
sewer conveyance system a five-year design storm was used with a 20 minute minium con-
centration time as It is a system that has proved to be economical and also prevents major
property damage. In the design of the ponds, they were designed on the 100 -year storm be-
cause frequently ponds will. have a large fluxuation in water level causing damage to nearby
homes. Ponds were analyzed on three basis: (1) wet ponds such as Medicine lake, (2) dry
ponds for the temporary storage of water, and (3) wet ponds excavated from areas where
primarily dry ponds existed before, Areas that would be innundated in the event of a loom
year storm occurs over the entire watershed area were shown, and the engineers explained
that these areas could be built on if they are filled to 2 feet above the high water level,
Appendixes E and D presented the cost estimates of the plan. Appendix D showed a break-
down of the cost per district and included an allowance of $2,000 per acre for land.
Appendix E showed a breakdown of costs on a point to point basis. Mr. Bonestroo pointed
out the importance of the ponds to the plan which carried out our policy of retaining as
much water within our community as possible. It was pointed out that this ponding concept
1s the major contributing factor for the low 2ht per square font estimate in the report.
Councilman Neils questioned if as development or platting occurs, open surface drainage
ways might substitute for some pipe in some areas. The engineers explained that each de-
velopment will be looked at as it comes in, In developing the plan they tried to consider
what would be the most probable. It was also pointed out that the more open ditches we
put in the more we open ourselves to maintenance costs. Councilman Spaeth stated he be-
lieved the ecology people will be forcing us to go to open ditches more and more to the
future%
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Mr. 6onestro6told the Council that this is a conservative' drainage plan and felt it was
the most economical plan that could be developed for the Villagei. The mattcr of exceptions
and changes to the plan was discussed. Nr. 8onestroo explained that as each plat comes in
the Council will have to look at it with this as a guide, and follow it as closely as possi-
ble; however, the closer you are to a big lake the less the effect. Engineer Goldberg
state) logs will be kept of changes in the plan and it will have to be updated on a regular
basis. The engineers were questioned regarding the watersheds' approval of the plan. It
was explained that etch had received a copy for their review and that there were no signi-
ficant differences between us. It was also pointed out that we must take every effort to
inform the citizens of this plan and how it might effect them.
Councilman Spaeth stated he believed there should be more provisions for catch basins for
street runoff as this',is a problem, especially during construction.
Following further discussion of the plan and discussion of several specific .questions
raised by the Council, a MOTION was made by Councilman Hunt, seconded by Councilman Seibold.
dire:ting the staff to prepare a resolution for the Council's consideration adopting the
Storm Drainage Plan. NOTION was made by Mayor Hilde, seconded by Councilman Hunt, to amend
the notion to include in the resolution that copies of the proposed Storm Drainage Plan
were sent to all of the watershed districts setting forth the dates. Notion carried, five
ayes. NOTION was made by Councilman Neils, seconded by Councilman Seibold, to further
amend the motion to indicate that specific pipe routes are proposed on the basis of facts
known at this time and that as a condition to the manner in which land does in fact de-
velop, independent decisions on pipe versus open drainageways will be made at that time,
Notion carried, five ayes. Notion as amended carried, five ayes.
NOTION was made by Mayor Hilde, seconded by Councilman Seibold, directing the Manager to
develop a complete administrative and financial plan for this Storm Drainage Plan. The
administrative portion to consider the procedures by which the staff will update and main-
tain the accuracy of the plan and also include public notice going to all of the land-
owners and citizens notifying them of this plan and the way it might effect them. More
detail as"to how we will filter water going into this system (setting systems, etc.) and
how it will be implemented (standards and guidelines) when development plans are brought
in so as to provide adequate capacities. Adequate storm sewers should be provided for
streets in new developments. The financialportion should include a plan that would rec-
ommend a policy setting forth a manner in which this total system will be paid for con-
sidering overall Villaa approach, district approach or sub -district approach, and the
manner in which this financing will be funded (assessed each time, setting up accounts
from which we could borrow money, or ad valorem), The Manager was further directed to
develop methods by which these costs would not add to the costs of low and moderate in-
come housing. Motion carried, five ayes.
EVERGREEN ,LANE - !
At the time the resident of 2790 Evergreen Lane attempted to hook up to sanitary sewer, it
was found that the service at the property line was higher than their basement floor.
Service was eventually connected at a cost of $900, and the purpose of the discussion be-
fore the Council was to determine who should be responsible for the additional cost.
Glenn Cook explained to the Council that at the time the survey crews checked the location
it was indicated to them that tie basement was only a crawl space.' The sewer elevation
was designed on that basis. Subsequent to that the Building Pppartment granted a building
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permit,for an addition
engineers' opinion that
penait should not have
to titins dwelling below,the 890' elevation. It was the consulting
f t should be the: respond bi 1 i tjr of the Vi ll age as the bui 1 d1 ng
beeO ssued bel'w the lake level.
MOTION was made by Councilman Hunt, seconded by Councilman
Seibold, to adopt RESOLUTION X10. 73-260. A RESOLUTION DECLARING
THAT THE ADDITIONAL COST INCURRED FOR SANITARY SEWER CONNECTION
TO 2790 EVERGREEN LANE SHOULD BE THE OBLIGATION OF THE VILLAGE
FROM THE SINKING FUND DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE COUNCIL BELIEVED
TWIT THE BUILDING PERMIT WAS ISSUED AFTER THE INSTALLATION OF
RESOLUTION N0. 73m26O
THE SEWER AND THE ELEVATION SHOULD HAVE BEEN CHECKED BY A(E STAFF
PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE BUILDING PERMIT. Motion cr,tried,)on '
a Roll Call vote, five ares.
MOTION was made by Councilman Spaeth, seconded by Counc1man-Hunt, directiig the staff to
research whether there 1s a policy on record that no building permt,t be issued on any new
building on Medicine Lake below the 890' elevation as set forth by the Be sett Creek
Flood Control Commission. Motion carried, five ayes.
MINNEHAHA CREEK WATERSHED DISTRICT REVISED RULES AND REGULATIONS
The Board of Managers are considering some changes t•) their rules and regulations and are
holding a public hearing with respect to these -changes on July 19. The Putger reviewed
these changes with the Council and explataed that the changes that will most effect the.
Village are the changes having to do with the maintenance of storm drainage facilities as
well as the procedures tney propose to use in evaluation of municipal drainaa gge plans.
The changes having to do with dredging appear to have little effect on the 1hillage. In
reviewing the criteria to be applied in evaluating new municipal drainage plans and stcrom
sewer systems, the Manager stated he would question whether or not criteria K should be
included as it appeared the municipalities are being required to build and maintain struc-
tures which w;ll reduce the District's engineering costs. There was also concern expres-
sed over the programs to keep streets clean. It was felt there should be some more infor-
mation on this matter as to what their intent is and what programs they expect of a munim
cipW ty to meet the minimum standards. Councilman Neils stated he viewed the proposals
as hardly being in the form of rules and regulations. While he did not have any real ob-
jections to anything contained in the proposals. in looking at the watershed district as
an independent administrative district they should have more than just a i'ittl* respon
sib111ty to set forth the standards and regulations by which acceptability of those plans
the municipality is required to submit will be judged. Engineer Bonestroo pointed out
paragraphs B and I of This section and expressed concern over the lack of standards set
forth and the possibility a municipality coo d be required to treat storm water prior to
discharge into a public water,
MOTION was made by Councilman Hunt, seconded by Councilman Spaeth, directing the staff to
draft a letter for the Mayor's signature to the Minnehaha Creek Watershed District stating
the Council's concern that not enough definition of what they are trying to accomplish
has been presented in their rules and regulations for the Village Council to consider them
for approval at this Mme and set forth specific comments as brought out '•n the Council's
review. Motion carrild, five ayes,
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IMDTION was made by Councilman Seibold, seconded .by Councilman Spaeth, that the staff
prepare a policy position for this Council with reference to some of the 1temt mentioned
and that the Engineer or a member of our stiff present this posttion at the public hear-
ing, and that those pelicy items be reviewed at the)next Council meeting. MOTION was
made by Councilmen Neils, seconded by Councilman Seibold, 'to amend the motion directing
as a part of the p lacy response of the Council that the staff ;identify each Lase in
these proposed rules and regulations where applications or approvals are reouirled by the
watershed district and site the lack of definitive reference criteria by whi4h!accept-
ability of those proposals will be judged by the watershed district. Notion carried,
five ayes. lotion as amended carried, five ayes.
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The Council reviewed the action taken by the Physical Development Committee of the Metro-
politan Council the previous week and th\+ status of the EPA grunt. Mayor Hilde stated he
felt most of the problem was lack of comimunications between the Village and the Metro-
politan Council. He stated there were. two alternativ7v for the Council to consider: (1)
ignore the opinion of the Metropolitan Council and go directly to Washington and deal
with the EPA, or (2) consider a resolution which would attempt to consolidate all those
things we have been trying to say in the Goals, Objectives and. Criteria ane. in correspond
once t* the MetropolItan Council. It was felt that the first alternative would not be
favorable Ncause of the effect on the State from whom we Rant 151 and wouldn't be good
planning because we know we are going to have to make more applications n, the future.
A proposed resolution drafted by the staff was reviewed by the Cticncll.I I There was obt,
jection to the approach taken in the resolution. The Councilmen felt thi: resolution
should direct itself to restating specific Goal,, Objectives and Criteria adopted in
February of 19729 reaffirmed by the adoption of the Guide Plan, and shouid give staff
direction to Implement these principles in the new Zoning Ordinance being developed, to
present specific recommendations in term of a need for an HIA and to give encouragement
to developers to provide low and moderate income housing in developments,
Followling lengthy discussion of the wording of the resolution, the staff was given d rec-
tion to rewrite the resolution for submissioh to the Metropolitan Council the next day,
NOTION was mmiie by Councilmen Spaeth, seconded by Councilman Hunt, RESOLUTION NO, 7 9959
to adopt RESOLUTION NO, 73-259, A RESOLUTION TILED "CONSOLIDATED
STATEMENT OF VILLAGE COUNCIL HOUSING POLICY". Motion carried on
a Roll Call vote, five ayes,
Wor Hilde adjnurned the meeting at 11:50 p.m.
Sandra L, Haugon
Vi l le ge Clerk
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