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SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING
MAY 149 1973
A special' -,meeting of the Plymouth Villge Council was called to order by Mayor Hilde at
7:35 pm. in the Council Chambers of tl;e Public Works Building, 14900 Twenty-third Avenue
North, Plymouth, on Nar l4, 1973.
PRESENT: Mayor Hilde, Counci!*h Hunt, Spaeth.,Seibold aPd,Neils, Manager Willis, Engineer
Goldberg and Planner,3verhiser,
ABSENT: None
MOTION was made by Councilman Seibold, seconded by Councilman
Neils, to approve the -minutes of the May 79 1973 Regular Meeting.
Motion carried, five ayes.
The Manager reported on a meeting held the previous week with
staff members of the Metropolitaft Council relat've to the Land
Use Guide Plan, Sanitary Sewer Plan and EPA Grant. These three
items will be before the Development Committee on the 6th of June
and hopefully before the full Council on the 14th. He reported
the Metropolitan Council staff is not recommending a favorable
housing profile because of their Policy 31 review. They are basing
that decision on their interpretation of Policy 31 which stresses
actual commitment in terns of accomplishments of the municipalities,
i.e., actual PUO ordinances, an active HRA, and a supply of low and
medium income housing equal to the supply in the metro area (30S).
He stated there are two things we must stress: (1) we have the
commitment to providing mixed housing supplies in our community
based upon the adopted Goals. Objectives and Criteria and the Land
Use Guide Plan, and (2) the EPA Grant is an environmental concern
as the present force main is nearing capacity.
The staff presented to the Council a proposed assessment roll on
this project to be used at the public hearing on May 21, 1973:
It was the staff's recommendation that because all the property
is zoned industrial, assessments should be applied at the same
rate even though some of the properties have residential dwelling
units on them. Street assessment on 15th Avenue was broken up
two ways because of the different design on Xenium. All the
property was assessed previously for some form of area charge;
however, the MIP proper was assessed as residential at that
time, The assessment ro 1 reflected a charge for the difference
between residential and industrial for that property.
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There was considerable concern expressed over the amount of assessments
against Parcels 1 - 4 of Lot C and the'fact that these assessments are
chigher than those on the Northwestern Bell property. The Engineer ex-
plained that the staff had also tabulated the assessments on an acreage
basis and presented these figr,r;es which would reduce the assessments on
these four lots.
Nayor tilde questioned whether there was some way the bulk of these
charges for theJ,,thoroughfare could be charged to Northwestern Bell in
a defensible wgy and In a manner that would be acceptable to them on the
rational that they need it before the Village and their neighbors r,n
afford it. He stated the only other alternatives would be to do'i, `she
way the staff proposed or to terminate Xenium Lane at 15th Avenue at"'
this time. Councilman,Spaeth stated he would like to see further inform
motion on the acreage approach. Councilman Neils suggested splitting
the improvement costs for Xenium Lane half to the west and half to the
east side. and on the east side use the acreage approach for all the
street assessments.
MOTION was made by Councilman Spaeth, seconded by Councilman Hunt, that
the public hearing be withdrawn until something is worked out with the \
assessments.
Councilman Seibold suggested the staff negotiate with Northwestern Bell
to see if there is same way they would subsidize arty part of the:e costs.
Cou0cllman Hunt questioned the quantative figures which were usi and
asked to see comparative figures from other projects before going to the
public hearing.
Notioe to withdraw the public hearing failed on a vote of 1=4 with Mayor
Hilde and C#juncllmen Hunt. Seibold and Neils voting nay.
MOTION aas made by Mayor H11de, seconded by Councilman Spaeth, directing
the staff to make another attempt at an assessment approach for this
project Which would consider: (1) a method of allocating excess costs
to the parties who need this premature project; (2) develop a policy for
oversizing in industrial situations considering the policy already in
existi nce for residential uses; (3) credit for oversizing based upon
that policy and (4) alternatives of financing the corner lot without
going on both sides, Motion failed on a vote of 14 with Councilmen
Hunt. Spaeth, Seibold and Neils voting nay.
NOTION was made by Councilman Seibold. seconded by Councilman Neils,
to go to the p iblic hearing with the figures as presented by the staff
1n their report dated May 10, 1973. Motion carried on a Mote of 4-1
with Councilman Hunt voting nay.
The staff presented a proposed contract as previously directed by
the Council. The Manager explained that the language of the con-
tract was such that it could be entered into on each project with
an appendix setting forth the fee schedule. The proposed new coAm
tract was a more detailed contract than the one previously used in
the areas of what would be done 1n each sequential step and indl-
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cater that the consultant would be responsible for the inspections prior
to the final accepta ice by the Village and also before the warranty
period expires.
There was//concern expressed over the 20% fee for the preliminary report
in the event that a project is not ordered. The'Englneer explained
this gets into the problem that we do not go into a public hearing un-
less we are pretty sure of ordering the pro$ect. He also pointed out
that the Council previously determined that they would be more careful
in the future about ,ordering orerl im1 nary reports and would require
more , h1 ghual i ty reports, Councilman Nei 1 s stated he felt the prel i -
minary reXt should be strictly on a time and materials basis because
1t is a function of the project, and the Council should, -be in a position
to be able to pay for what,they getft
MOTION was made by Councilman Hunt, seconded by,Councilmen Seibold,
directing the staff to develop a different approach on the preliminary
report phase of the consulting engineer's contract for the reasons as
stated in the foregoing=jiscussion, suggesting that perhaps there could
be devised two different kinds of preliminary reports - c rough draft
report on a time and materials basis and a full report on a percentage
basis when the Council has full intentions of pursying the project.
Motion carried, five ayes.
MOTION was made by Councilman Neils, seconded by Councilman Hunt, that
the contract be drafted as a general engineering service agreement for
various categories of service such that it 1s appropriate to a particular
project and would be evoked by a letter of agreement or purchase order.
Motion carried, five ayes.
MOTION was made by Councilman Neils, seconded by Councilman Spaeth,
that the contract section 5.6 and its corresponding section in terms
of work ty others to be provided by the engineer be reconciled.
Motion carried, five ayes.
The Council again reviewed the Land Use Guide Plan and pointed
put areas which they wished to view the next day in their bus
tour of the Village. The areas were basically those 13 areas
where the Planning Commission recommended some changes be made
refer to minutes of April 23, 1973 Special Council Meeting) and
thi following were points of discussion in these areas:
Soo Line Industrial Area. Councilman Hunt stated he felt the
no ern limitmof the ndustrial area should follow the railroad
tricks all the way to Holly Lane because of the topography of
V -at area on the north side of the tracks. It was felt the area
to the north should be given some density to preserve the woods
possibly all the way to the first bend in Peony Lane. About 30%
of that area 1s unbuildable.
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cater that the consultant would be responsible for the inspections prior
to the final accepta ice by the Village and also before the warranty
period expires.
There was//concern expressed over the 20% fee for the preliminary report
in the event that a project is not ordered. The'Englneer explained
this gets into the problem that we do not go into a public hearing un-
less we are pretty sure of ordering the pro$ect. He also pointed out
that the Council previously determined that they would be more careful
in the future about ,ordering orerl im1 nary reports and would require
more , h1 ghual i ty reports, Councilman Nei 1 s stated he felt the prel i -
minary reXt should be strictly on a time and materials basis because
1t is a function of the project, and the Council should, -be in a position
to be able to pay for what,they getft
MOTION was made by Councilman Hunt, seconded by,Councilmen Seibold,
directing the staff to develop a different approach on the preliminary
report phase of the consulting engineer's contract for the reasons as
stated in the foregoing=jiscussion, suggesting that perhaps there could
be devised two different kinds of preliminary reports - c rough draft
report on a time and materials basis and a full report on a percentage
basis when the Council has full intentions of pursying the project.
Motion carried, five ayes.
MOTION was made by Councilman Neils, seconded by Councilman Hunt, that
the contract be drafted as a general engineering service agreement for
various categories of service such that it 1s appropriate to a particular
project and would be evoked by a letter of agreement or purchase order.
Motion carried, five ayes.
MOTION was made by Councilman Neils, seconded by Councilman Spaeth,
that the contract section 5.6 and its corresponding section in terms
of work ty others to be provided by the engineer be reconciled.
Motion carried, five ayes.
The Council again reviewed the Land Use Guide Plan and pointed
put areas which they wished to view the next day in their bus
tour of the Village. The areas were basically those 13 areas
where the Planning Commission recommended some changes be made
refer to minutes of April 23, 1973 Special Council Meeting) and
thi following were points of discussion in these areas:
Soo Line Industrial Area. Councilman Hunt stated he felt the
no ern limitmof the ndustrial area should follow the railroad
tricks all the way to Holly Lane because of the topography of
V -at area on the north side of the tracks. It was felt the area
to the north should be given some density to preserve the woods
possibly all the way to the first bend in Peony Lane. About 30%
of that area 1s unbuildable.
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Fernbrook 8 County Road 90" The Council decided tho would look at this
area as ere was a question raised why>there should be' any industrial
ue there) at a11. Councilman Spaeth stated he would like to see some
business uses in this area.
County Roads 10 9 18. The Council felt this was one area that would
riegU re careu s u to Determine if the Planning Catmission's recom-
mendatios to preserve the natural topography of the area sere justified.
P.long'1,he highway frontage between 49th Avenue and County Road 9. Coun-
cilman,Neils stated he felt there should be ak;more compatible use c'en-
tinuity,between these two. highway service districts rather than the high
density.
reekwood';,He1 hts Area. Phe CoGncil concluded they should look at the
area next o Chaige 08 because of the elevation of the property and
the c,losenv:s of the property to the 1highway. There also exists a dis-
tinct difference in the property on tWeast side of the area as compared
to the west side.
Schiebe Hum hr'%yArea_. Mayor Hilde adV ed the Council of a discussion
e a wMr.'' ump irey reThtive to tori,: aria and ..he proposals these
property owners Lire presenting,,to the Vtllage. 4 was concluded this
area would be studied closely in an Att"t Lo\utvelop a plan in relative
agreement with tht proposals of the property owners.
Councilman Spaeth pointed out the area south of Coun+,y Road 15 next to
Ridgemount School ani stated he did not feel the area would lend itself
to LA -3 as proposed because of the iow,rature of the land.
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Mayor Hilde adjourned Ue meeting at 9:50 p.m.
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Sandra L. Haugen
Village Clerk
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