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Home My WebLink AboutCity Council Minutes 07-24-1972 SpecialMIVUTE$ - SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING JULY 249 1972 A special meetingof the Plymouth Village Council was called to order Mayor H i l d'e' at 7:,50 .m, in -,theyCounci l Chambers of thePublic CorksBui l di g' 1490 Twenty-third Avenue North, Plymouth, on July r4, 1972s, ki PRESENT: 1 Mayor Hilde, Councilmen Sp,aeth,, Seibold and Nei1s, Manager Willis, ttorney Drawt, Planner Oy;erhiser and Consultant EnAgineers Bonestroo l and "eldsien WENT : Councilman'. Hunt e 1 Ma; of Hi.lde indicated an agreement bas been reached be RESOLUTION 1.,', 72-265' t,wi e,h the Village and Mr. LaLi berte regarding thea sub- LAWRENCE J. LALABERTE ` division he requested and the litigation involving his Subdivision Variance spe(,ial,assessments, MGT,ICN was made by Councilman Spaeth, seconded by Council - man Seibold, to adopt RESOLUTION NO. 72-265, A FESOLUTION APF; ROVING- THE SUBDIVISION VARIANCE SUBJECT TO THS "EXECUTION OF THE TWO DOCUMENTS TO BE PREPARED BY ATTORNEY,DRAWZ BY THE TE'(MS OF WHICH MR,, LALIBERTE -WOULD DROP THE APPEAL AGAINST HIS A,ISMaMENTS AND AGREE TO DEDICATE TO THE VILLAGE AN EASEMt"T FOR STREET AND UTILITY PURPOSES. Motion passed on a Ro 11l,Ca 1,1 Vote, four ayes, t Mayor Hi lde, read to the Council for their approval a BASSETT CREEK CLEAN UP letter which he drafted to Bob Samples in appreciation of his work as coordinator of the Bassett Creek Clean Up Project. Tho Planning Commission By -Laws as"adopted by the Plan- ning Commission on February 16, 1972 were reviewed and the following changes suggested: Article VII, Section 1: Add "or at the directiOni/of, the Council", Article IV: It was felt this section should .;:% _changed to "Appoint- meat of Officers" and "should be rewritten to provide for the appointment of the Vice Chairman to be made ty the Mayor and the appointment of the Secretary by the Village Manager, Mayer Hilde introduced Richard Bohl, who has been appoint- ed the new Chairman of the Board of Zoning Adjustment and I elcomed new members Jerry Lague and Tom Bradford, PLANNING COMMISSION BY-LAWS BOARD OF ZONING ADJUST- MENT -- NEW MEMBERS Special Co nctl Aeeting o July 24. 1972_-,, Page Two 1 ' Larry Fel ds ion pointed out .,the si gn`i f i cant changes' from COMPREHENSIVE WATER the old plan'!kreviewed previously, by the Council, these REPORT Xch'anges primarily' :being the adds ti.cn and enlarging of some pipes' and mpY,fi.9 "slime areas of volume of storage. These changes were Inade in order to increase the residual pressure to 40,0ounds.1 He ointed out there are soW problem areas where pressure is ess than 40 pounds, but that these areas are very 1 imi ted. Mayor Hi lde asked whether the Council felt the $1 million additional co:t of th-is plan was worth they 10 pounds of in- creased pressure. Engineer Bonestroo stated he)felt it'was a very cheap 1,nvestment considering the cost that m!ght be incurred in, ttje future_ 1 f replacement of the pipes was necessary. ;Cnunctl-man if stated he felt satisfied this was the approa',ch that should be taken as .he didn't feel they could guess well enough the nature of development in the future to 'design with any degree of certainty, but that the Village must have'an integral plan'to proceed on. Councilman Spaeth stated he agreed because of the fact that our development is not too firm. and questioned if it would be more economical to go underground with a tank% 'Engineer Bonestroo explained that although the proposed system is approximately 10% more expensive. surface reservoirs are not necessarily a 4ositive supply If eater as opposed to an ele- vated tank and, necessitate pumps, v!serve power supplies and increased operational and maintenance costs. Councilman Seibold questioned the engineers if they felt 30 pounds of pres!;ure was adequate. They indicated they thought_; it was but that it was at the staff's direction that the plans were drafted to provide 40 pounds. Manager Willis explai-jed we don't know -the ultimate development or in fact the Character of development that will occur in an areas, and, th,erefor;e, the 40 pounds will give the Village more flexibility w*'thout going to the expense of parallel lines. Mayor Hilde asked the engineers if they felt the plan had a great deal of haste in excess pressure and if the increased pressure would cause problems with pipes. Engineer Bonestroo stated he diel i of foresee any problem. They explained their plans were based on guide plan information supplied by the staff, and if the over-all population remains about the same as projected, there should be no problems. Councilman Spaeth pointed out this plan will, be reviewed from year to year, and changes can be made in the future as warranted. Mayor Hil4e suggested that rather than spend the additional money now, go back to the 30 plan and put the additional money in reserve to be used in the future for additional wells in , another area of the Villagge if development is such that, it is ecessary. Councilman INei1s pointed out that the 40 plan would provide a higher capita] cost but an over-all lower operating cost and that this capital cost will remain the same but, o0erating costs will always increase, J" E u 6 n i U l u 6 n J Speci e1 Counci 1, Netting" July 24,b, 1472 Page Three 60 Both Councilman Seybold and Mayor ,Hilde indicated they were ling to qo along with spending the additional ma'ney!now beta of the benefits of low operating costs and the margin of safety for emergencies and future development*A Mayor Hilde expressed concern about having Allo of the wells pumping se close together. Engineer Bonestroo,explaired that Plymouth ' wi l l be taking water from the same .so,urce' as other's -i-n, the metro area and that they will be using three istrata in 'this well field. Mayor Hilde stated he had another matter he, wisheid to d-lscuss with the Council for iAhei r reaction. He stated .he is concerned that we are using far'too much water which ls both dangerous')for our future and expensive and that too much water Is being used for sonitatio'' purposes. Because of these reason'•'D, it would`"be desirable if we could somehow .develop a sanitation system in Plymouth whereby we would not flush all of this miter. He proposed a two facility system for al;/residences: (1) twI l ets of the marine typ6 such as that used `in Canada which u4so. much less water and (2) urinals fore both men and women. Two arectsc of cor:cern are would this little , bit of water go down the pipes Lind would we find thinking against Us politically. He questioned the Council i' they felt this was a matter Plymouth should du further study on to de- Aermine the costs and benefits, Councilman Neils stated he could see where we could set standards for bathroom hardware at a modest difference in first cost which would make a tubstantial difference in long term cost, but also pointed out that we would be fighting 100 years of civil engineering tradition and that Rxisting State codes would be the greatest problem, He suigested asking Bonestroo's to make a stud yy and to look at the minimum volume of water required and to determine if under engineer- ing considerations there is room for latitude, 1 Councilman Spaeth stated he thought it was a good idea but out of our jurisdiction because of the State code. He was in favor of promoting those who are doing studies on this, howeverMi,yor Hilde suggested they think about pulling together available information an the subject, and if after this report there appears to be promisp, it might be practical to pass a resolution and Lobby with the Metro Council to undertake a deeper study if Plymouth could not undertake such a project. Councilman Neils proposed three steps: (1) a qualitative snudy from a practical standpoint to determine what latitude is possible from State codes, (2) stud, of readily available alternatives 'and (3) literature search on the subject matter, Councilman Seibold stated if we can save money and conserve water$ and if it is safe from a sanitation standpoint, it is a good idea, but we know so very little about it at this ppoint. We must find out what we can do as a Vii1age, what obstacles we are bucking arid evaluate them, get some legal opinions on what our position is, and we have to be concerned with our own system. He stated he was not intevested at this time in spending any money for a deeper study other-, than- inforaittion gathering.- t 'oXJ U B 11 Special Council Meeting July 24, 1172 Page Fovr l,'., L Councilman Neils pointed out thati one motivation we,, must con- sider is that our population survival is directly` related to the 1 i mi tati on of our fresh watelr su ply. C) 0 Mayor Hi.l(ke, i0dicated_)he would do further' work on the sub- ject and get back to the Council. MOTION) was made by Council man ,Sei bold, seconded by Coun- j RESOLUTION N0. 72-266 c'i'1man Neils, to adopt RESOLUT ION NO. 72466, A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING AND AWT,ING THE RE ORT 'ON WATER DISTRIBUTION FCS PLYMOUTH DATED AUGUST 5,.1971 ANQ.REVISED MAY 26, 1977- Motion carried on a Roll Call Vote, four ayes. Planner Overhiser stated the. staff believes that this can be handled on an i.r,formaV b&s4r,,, with an ordi ounce at a later date. AdministrativiVy.., 'a resolution would give the 'staff support when deal ingr tth developers, and' when other studies are completed, we would have a sound oasis for developing an ordinance. LIMITATION OF DEVELOP- MENTj WHERE - SEWER AND WATER,NOT AVAILABLE,,, MOTION was made by Councilman Seibo,ld,, seconded by Council- man Neils, directing th/a staff and iPlanning Commission to prepare a resolution to reflect the position of the Council that major development.will not be permitted unless public sewer and water is available. Regarding the interpretation of the term "available", it was agreed that a willingness., on the part of a developer to pay for the extension of utili- ties to a plat would be considered "available" if tt jit into the over-all plan. This will be a matter of practical judgment by the Council. Motion carried, four ayes. MOTION was made by Councilman Spaeth, seconded by Council- man Neils, to direct the staff to draft an ordinance change, which would delete the present provision in the ordinance which provides that the Council may consider platting with- out sewer and water. Motion carried, four ayes. MOTION was made by Councilman Spaeth, seconded by Coun- cilman Seibold, to adopt RESOLUTION NO. 72-267, A RESOLU- TION REJECTING THE BIDS AND SETTING THE SCHEDULE FOR THE ADVERTISEMENT 0lr NEW BIDS. Motion carried on a Roll Call Vote, four ayes. MOTION was made bj Councilman Spaeth, seconded by Council- man Neils, directing the staff to study the problem of whether we should loop a line up to the 4 Seasons area or put in an altitude valve and have an analysis of these alt*rnatives available for the Council prior to bid open- ing. Motion carried, four ayes. 7 0 J C) 0 Mayor Hi.l(ke, i0dicated_)he would do further' work on the sub- ject and get back to the Council. MOTION) was made by Council man ,Sei bold, seconded by Coun- j RESOLUTION N0. 72-266 c'i'1man Neils, to adopt RESOLUT ION NO. 72466, A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING AND AWT,ING THE RE ORT 'ON WATER DISTRIBUTION FCS PLYMOUTH DATED AUGUST 5,.1971 ANQ.REVISED MAY 26, 1977- Motion carried on a Roll Call Vote, four ayes. Planner Overhiser stated the. staff believes that this can be handled on an i.r,formaV b&s4r,,, with an ordi ounce at a later date. AdministrativiVy.., 'a resolution would give the 'staff support when deal ingr tth developers, and' when other studies are completed, we would have a sound oasis for developing an ordinance. LIMITATION OF DEVELOP- MENTj WHERE - SEWER AND WATER,NOT AVAILABLE,,, MOTION was made by Councilman Seibo,ld,, seconded by Council- man Neils, directing th/a staff and iPlanning Commission to prepare a resolution to reflect the position of the Council that major development.will not be permitted unless public sewer and water is available. Regarding the interpretation of the term "available", it was agreed that a willingness., on the part of a developer to pay for the extension of utili- ties to a plat would be considered "available" if tt jit into the over-all plan. This will be a matter of practical judgment by the Council. Motion carried, four ayes. MOTION was made by Councilman Spaeth, seconded by Council- man Neils, to direct the staff to draft an ordinance change, which would delete the present provision in the ordinance which provides that the Council may consider platting with- out sewer and water. Motion carried, four ayes. MOTION was made by Councilman Spaeth, seconded by Coun- cilman Seibold, to adopt RESOLUTION NO. 72-267, A RESOLU- TION REJECTING THE BIDS AND SETTING THE SCHEDULE FOR THE ADVERTISEMENT 0lr NEW BIDS. Motion carried on a Roll Call Vote, four ayes. MOTION was made bj Councilman Spaeth, seconded by Council- man Neils, directing the staff to study the problem of whether we should loop a line up to the 4 Seasons area or put in an altitude valve and have an analysis of these alt*rnatives available for the Council prior to bid open- ing. Motion carried, four ayes. RESOLUTION N0r, 72467 PROJECT 0123 - EAST MEDICINE LAKE WATER PROJECT #134 = 6TH. 10TH 8 CO. 18 SEWER 8 WhTER J RESOLUTION N0r, 72467 PROJECT 0123 - EAST MEDICINE LAKE WATER PROJECT #134 = 6TH. 10TH 8 CO. 18 SEWER 8 WhTER O ° i Special Council Meeting July 24. 1979 gage Five I l'he' Council rev-fewed the plans submitted by the State Highway Department for improvements at the ietersection of°)County Road 73 and TH. 559, It wase agreed that because it was apparent the State has given little consideration to the property o tners and because of,the access problems the improvement would create, a public, hearing should be held to hear the property owners in the Brea. MOTION was made by Cour:cilman Seibold, seconded by Coun cilman Spaeth, to adopt RESOLUTION NO* 72-26A, A RESOLU- TION SETTING A PUBLIC HEARING FOR,A000ST 7,972 AND RE- QUESTING A REPRESENTATIVE FROM -THE STATE HIGHWAY'DEPART- MENT TO BE PRESENT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. Motion carried on a Roll Call, Vote, four ayes. MOTION was made by Councilman Seibold, seconded by Coun- cilman Spaeth, -to adopt RESOLUTION NO* 72-2696 A RESOLU- TION DIRECTING THE VILLAGE MANAGER TO PROVIDE WITHIN THE 1973 VILLAGE GEAERii. FUND BUDGET 7HE SUM OF $12,042.00 REPRESENTING PLYMOUTH'S SHARE OF THE PROPOSED BASSETT CREEK FLOOD CONTROL COMMISSION BUDGET. Motion carried on a Roll Call vote, four -ayes, The Village of Medicine Lake requested the Village to con aider the possible regulation of Medicine Lake in cow operation with tht,i r Village. 0 n i PLAN AP4IROVAL - HWY. 55., CO. 73 SAFETY INPROVEN&- RESOLUTIOM N0. 72=268, RESOLUTION NO* 72-269 BAS ETT CREED; FL000 CONTROL COMMISSION PROJJOSED 1973 BUDGET FIGULATION RF MEDICINE AKE IN COOPERATION WITH VILLAGE OF MEDICINE LAKE MOTION was made by Councilman Neils, seconded by Council - S ib ld di t1 th M d teff t 1 tmaneo , rec ng a anager an s o eve us e the merits, advantages and possible changes in relation- ship to other jurisdictions of entering into a joint power regulation or alternate form,• of regulation of activities on Medicine Lake, Motion carpied, four ayes. Manager Willis informed the Council that a representative of Moody's would be in the Village during the next week to evaluate the Village's bond rating and outlined the schedule for a trip to Chicago and New York to meet with representatives of bonding houses to acquaint them with Plymouth% MOTION was made by Councilman Neils, seconded by Council, man Seibold, requesting the staff, Mayor and members of the Council who are in a position to go to make such a trip with the hope that it improves both the long range and short range credit rating of the Village. Motion carried, four ayes, lLyor Hilde adjourned the me*ting at 11,15 p.m. Sandra L •a ugg e, n Village Clerk Village- of Plymouth, 1972 BOND SALE w Minnesota