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MINUTES OF SPAXIA:. COUNCIL MEETING
PLYMOUTii,, MINNESOTA
Marchv3 1972
A special meet ing'of the Plymouth V ;lige Council was
by Mayor Hi lde at 7:40 p 4l's on March k.A. 1972.
PRESENT: Mayor Ililde, Councilmen Spaeth`, Mc31.s,,and
Willis, Engineer Rudrud, Planner OV.lrhiser,
Jim, Olson and Larry Feldsein of BonA,1: roo's.
ABSENT: Cov,nciiman Hunt.
Mayor Hilde suggested that discussion of this natter
be delayed unti; the arrival of Councilman Aunt,
Mavor' l -tilde stated that a full-blown discussion of
the water reloort would not be hold tonight, but that
the Wincil would ask the staff any quest ",ons they
might have. Jim Olson indicated Larry Crf dseih of
Bonestroo's i0ou13 arrive shortly to revi,e,ii the report
end aatswe r any questions. j
called to o-rder`
Se bolt , I tanagr
Attoriey Lefler,
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NOWMOBILE HEAR -
MINUTES
RE: 1 EVIEW WATER
I I.STRIBUTION
1. EPORT
Manager Willis r:quest,ed thjX the Council consider RE;
c:hangi,,ig tho prescrt policy concern is g Leel5ing
official Village Council minutes. The 'stiff' is
cuirontly spending wham he considers to' be an excess-
ive amount of Limo on the `preparation of minutes. Ille
requested that tho-Council permit,' the taff to prepare
tho jAinutas using,he,officia..,ctions- -- and (40,eting
the co.ru ants and discussions 161tu ling lip to the formal.
ar tton; Ile i;urther indicated that if; tho Council be-
lieves 0oso'co:mments and %liscussionsare of such value
to be tutainod as a rocord o't the mec,ti:+g, he would
rtconwiend acquiring a tapo recorder a;dequsto to rocord
the entiro official procnedings and i;oop that tape as
a i L%c:ord, backing up the minutes.
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Tl1c Mayor and Couneilmon agreed to tljc Manager's suggestio
provitind the official actions were,sinllud out i,n the
minutos alta not made iso grief thut they re.ferind to a motion
for the passage of a ;curtain agenda i',tom numbor Attorne)t
Leflor cautioned that on certain types of uctioths, particu-
larly requests for IXzoning and Conei,itional Ilse Permits,'
the minutes should 'ref lect the reasons for taking tile; actions.
Mayor Ililde added 111.hat 1) wherever
wow have a staff recommend-
ation that hoes set forth possibilities, wo could simply suy
por tho staff rui,.:ommendations"; iv wL wish to amend that;
staff recommendation in t,1 y Wily, wee' n hand thea sac l ottO),
a copy of the way it is; and 2) that Nhorover wo have v snot ion
to make that is , ruthor complicated, n rhaps the Council an
take a hreak an,d write it out, If a 1"ouncilwan has a po'siti.an
on some import;,tnt subject that hr rou;lly fe%cls strongly ought
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Tl1c Mayor and Couneilmon agreed to tljc Manager's suggestio
provitind the official actions were,sinllud out i,n the
minutos alta not made iso grief thut they re.ferind to a motion
for the passage of a ;curtain agenda i',tom numbor Attorne)t
Leflor cautioned that on certain types of uctioths, particu-
larly requests for IXzoning and Conei,itional Ilse Permits,'
the minutes should 'ref lect the reasons for taking tile; actions.
Mayor Ililde added 111.hat 1) wherever
wow have a staff recommend-
ation that hoes set forth possibilities, wo could simply suy
por tho staff rui,.:ommendations"; iv wL wish to amend that;
staff recommendation in t,1 y Wily, wee' n hand thea sac l ottO),
a copy of the way it is; and 2) that Nhorover wo have v snot ion
to make that is , ruthor complicated, n rhaps the Council an
take a hreak an,d write it out, If a 1"ouncilwan has a po'siti.an
on some import;,tnt subject that hr rou;lly fe%cls strongly ought
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to be in the minutes, he can write it out and
it can be made part of the minutes. Attorney
Lefler indicated that might be important on a
s lit vote• a short statement df reasons wh he
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voted the way lie did. Mayer Ililde suggested the
staff sho41d be asked to drawup a resolutionthat` represents the Council's, views on this subject
and bring it to the next meeting,
IiQTION was madelby Councilman Scibold, seconded by
Councilman Neils, that the staff be directed to
jrcpare a re*olution regarding the re -vamped pro,
cedure in the handling of minutes. Motion carried,
ail ayes.
Larry Ccldsein of Donestroo's 4rrived; Mayor llilde
indicated discussion of Water distribution Aloport
will) b,e very brief tonight, Nhinager 'Willis indi-
cated he would like Larry to go, briefly right through
the report, the philosophy behihO it, and basic key
assumptions'thht gore part of the study,
Larry I eldsoin's Report: These are the chief consid-
erations upon which the report is
RE: REVIj W` WATER
DISfRIRUTION REPORT
1) Determine size and location of trunk
watermains throughout the Village.
21 Determine storage-' t.{ser4oir volvines,
a Locate those roservol rs thrbughoitt the
system,
41 Determine the relativea\sihu of supply
UA storage (to Supply entiro Village),
Had to detormino ratic i»' distribution anti st6ragtj',
ratio of supply to storage that will cost the least
for given system, Turned out to be ZP million g~,1,
storage 'and 63 million gal. .per day of ori duc:tion
basted on saturated population of 16S,000, Ilai.or
data ;analysis; came up with 63 million gtil, a clay;
will require about woll.s, Wont into Text fiv%
years taking two. situati )ns into account: 1) a fisc
plus a max.1inum dray over ,a tan -hour duration ;+nd L, )
assume that 900 of the they would Igo us'vd in
16 hours, Should hay o a well capable of produellig
0nn gal, per m.inuto, Total. east of trunk wat,orrioln
8,151.,330; ,ass"Imeivio can roeolv!u 60% l.uteral. bettof'it.
Crom it , I yotl u::sess at $7.50,' f; Deices ro;nes to
46,2 0. That; lo-r as you with overs),.,ing t:ost s of
l,c051()80, Considering 22 wells this Sumas in lit
2,640sOnO, total storage comus 0 $f 04%*.5,00U, for a
total cos~ of ,$11,000,610. Unit cost of about $605)UT
gross acre, Councilman ,Spaeth questionoki why we lie(.1
towors versus undor round ca acyity and why put 22 walls
In 040 area, AgrtU wil
th Hi1 Keeley's roport about I Seer
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f water supply for, industrial. Mayor \ tlilde had several, comments`,
ge 6 - IVhat kind of consideration was given to it from standpoint;"
0 ,, not ,just Village population, but where population would take place
la d µse. Page`8 what effeet4aight larger lots have betauso of
sprnk 4.ng? Pago 12 - What kriteria was used ,a arriviaig at reservoirs
vs.watei tanks? Page 13 same as Councilman'Spaeth's; why have all
our egg§ in one basket; wells so close. Page 171t- fact that we doai!t ,
have leAnd'or easement costs in here makes me think that from the stand-
point of' -long renge utility financial projections we would need this.
Page' la Your ,cost' df 22 wells is $2',640,000, whereas
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report I read $85,000 to $100,000 per well; this comes out to 3120,000
per well. .Larry Feldsein indicated he used $100,000 per well with a /
20% Contingency, Page 20 -'Point out again fOr Manager Willis' benefii,
thi $605 does/not include the cost of land or ea%ments. Inside cover/-
at our next. meeting wotald like to, know to what extent our own ' s;tai f
concurs with this, report; would like their opinion prior >;o our rc'onsid-
eration of it. Councilman; Neiis, PYige:' - would like some a iount,irig
of'elevction above which eater service would not be avdilable and
indication of,,how much area that is; highe..,t ground elevation is g4ven
as 1170 (1170 figure is misprint, should be 1070) and mean high w ter
level for reservoirs givt:n as 1.141); some area below 1140 that cou do"t!
be ,ser'ved, right'? High operatin.1 Cost system will give you pperh ps
mitis;;gum capital costs but cperatinlg costs tend to escalate where s
capital costs once investcd do not;, laid you use an escalation tractor
in projecting ope atir costs? rt'ts,o whether there are suitable` high
elevation sites for;surface reservioirs to serve same function ,is
elevated reservoirs' Page 12 - Ybu'ry suggesting pressure ree ucing
Valves on services below elevation nf 932.2; would like to kr/)w if
this is pressu.a at which you foal water surge would pop saf6ty valves,
etc., and vorification that you Voel reducing valva; indood w;i11 do
that job. Then a repeat, Wage l - seems to be ex-remely 17Zrg,e ratio
of elevated to surface storage. Pag" 15 - in view of that 7fact, 171
and '72 are behind us, how close have you come toyour pro,fections?
Mayor Ililde: Alanagcr Willis would like to defer the Four,/ Scasons
water supplY discussion; has more information coming, Sr.heduled dis-
cussion on Water Distribution Study for meeting of 27th/ Jim Olson
indicated they could havo answo7,1s to Council's quost,ioni at ;any time.
Councilman Neils indicated that tho essence pf his c:onl RE: REVIEW PARK
corn is that when we got up to 22 or more portent r 1)bbICAT1ON
dedication requ remonts,porhapti that might be consid hRhINANC
trod unreaasonalile. Possibly ctjmpunsatit-,g twice --
value determined by proposed land use and put a densiity
factor on top of It, Manager Willis indicated he could
see: what Councilman Neils was driving at and thyught
his point valid; didn't think;' our standards and pide-
tinos would do th;et i( applied properly. Much discus -ion
on the "looks" of the 20% royuiromont; .also 0on space
and park in tram. of densit)+ crod:it; possibility of
ol.imanaating the percentageI.e:cause; ordinance rovers that
they Can baail.d on oia.ty so ml4iCh land unya;a 4
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MOTION was'made by Councilman Spaeth, seconded by
Councilman Neils,'trhat we direct the staff to come
back to 'the Council with a preliminary proposed
chane, and if,Council likes it, refer to Planning
Commiss;on. Motion carried, all ayes.
Manager Willis indicated Councilman Hunt re4uvrted-
that this dis,cus.tAion take plr e a.f to hip a'rri!
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RE: REVIEW VILLAGE ADMINISTRATT,Vt/PROJECTS ,
A. , [IUD. Manager Willis: Marded for the ;15th;) are not yet completed.
All material is iii to HUD, except 1}st letters of, release,., from the
Attorney's office. s' J
Be. Manager Willis: Hopefully around-the et d othe month.
C. Councilman Neils iz+di aced flood plain zoning can be 'very ,important
May have a significaitt influence on the,cost of drainage easement °
rights. tI
U, ~Manager` Wil lis : He would have to get together with Mayor Hilde
on th..s matter,
E. The 'new 11'. t,EAy Committee , is preparing a plan tend recomnen'dations
F. Mayor Hilde: Gould we plan on )sVing this r.,8 middle part of
lpril? Did you get copy of Bili Forril's letter? Last of May
is deadline,
G, Fli uner Overhiser: Planning Commission directed me to send a
momco out to ail developers and associations in ahem of
this proposed amendment and having them convoy tr.) us in writing
any comments; and if we got rix to twelve res' por.ses, then the;
wanted to hold a hearing. Otherwise, not. The point was . the
developers, including assoc)ation representatives, here in''Texas,
Council had in mind that they would hold a public hedring. '
Councilman Nc-ils: The net cffe;:t is substantially the same a!;
holding the public hearing. Open fol written comments, Sere
puilpo.se is probably served. Councilman Spaeth: I would thins:
if~they g%A any responses, hold a public hearing; otherwise, let
ifl slide through, Councilman Seibold: Intens. of the Council, was
Chit the public: hearing would be held again. Manner Overhiser:
right. Mailed over 30; let's send out again and if we still don't
bat any responses, aye' ll hold a hearing. Mayor Ilil(c ; Do you
want to loave it the way it is? Councilman Seibold I would
hate to think that tho Planning Commission would go nff on their
own after receiving a directive from the Council to have a public
hearing, planner dverhiser: Let me say in that mumo that if we get
sonic response, a public hearing will he held, Councilman Neils:
I might, say that the Planning Commission serves at the wishes cf
the Council and there's boron a reasonable amount of turnover in
members, unci if there's a Council .consensus that you don't approve
of the policies and oporctirns or, the prosent Planning Commission,
the: Coimcil hus a ramcdy. Mayo: dil6e: Mooting with Jim Wahl on
l edtte:scia,
II, Managur li:ll.;s : 11avo had a mectyng with the Hennepin County Library
poopl.q, Still interostod in developing and working with ourselves
and Downtown Plymouth dovolo )e"s , Mayor Ililde: I think that, here
we nuod to be vor}• much on the hall in coordinating early stages of
this thing as far as site: planning is concerned. Wo simply must be
net tho i ;all admi.n:i.strot ivaly to make sure we are In on this thing - -
11ubbing them phone call Aow and then,
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1 Manager Willis:' v'icksburg'Lane,extension. We, arc "going to be
coming to you w%t,h request :for Niagara ,Lane= right of way hecause
they won't alk ,,about Vicksbu g' un"l-ass Lhey , get Niagara taken care
of; haven't, received 'their money yet. Lloyp is working on it. ,
L.) Manager Willis: Outside our study 'area. r
M. ?,Manager Willis :Still working on that., Engineer kudrud: Have , '
at least 60 applicants for draftsman to put these rFcords in some
sort of shape where they'11 be'useable.
N.' Manager Willis : Shill reading through minutes. Up ,,thiiough
July of .1969., t'
A',short discussion ensued with respeAt to ,the condition of ViuAsburg
Lane from Co!inty Road 6 to County Road 15. " Ittras pointQd opt that it
is very expensive to maintain, that 16 tunsjof patching material had
been put in there today and may have to putt in that much again tomorrdw.
Mayor Ililde directed Manager Willis to put.the item on the agenda, and
as preparation Pur the discussion,'to fi"Id out what all the reasons were
for our delay°ing, ,it this spring.
RE; DELOS TAYLOR PROPERTY
Councilman Spaeth indicated, with reference to the Delos Taylor pro-
perty, that some good points were brought up, that industrial ',s not
really needed there,- when you consider the tax base. Some di cusssion }
ensuod. Manager Willis had received a call from Floyd Olson.
Ed Elintz appeared before the Council and indicated that since' the If
Village was redistricted to six precincts it created problems for
the state political parties,and added 162 members to the governing
committer:. They are no longer able to meet in homes and requested
the use of the Fire Hall or Council Chambers for Republican Party
meetings onco a month. Mayor Hilde indicated there was no objection
as long as we didn't favor one party over the other.
Meeting adjourned at 11:20 P,M,
q; n , Village clerk