HomeMy WebLinkAboutCity Council Minutes 11-01-1971i
MINUI S OF, A REGULAR HEi?ING
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NOVEMBER 19 1971 I'
A regular meting of the P,lymruth Village Council van call*6 to order at
7:m P.M. on November 1, 1971/'by Mayor Al Hilde. Jr.,
PRESENT: Mayor Hilde. C pncflmen Johnson. Spaeth and Hunt, Manager Willis.
Engineer Rudrud. Planner Qverhiser. pttorne Lefler. Consultant
Engineer Bonestro i and Councilman Hintz, who arrived late.
ABSENT: None
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LOTION was made by Cuwt Oilman Spaeth, seco d by Councilman Johnson to RE: MI JUTES OF
approve the mina es o October 4,, 1971 with correction on page 2. OCT, 4 2971
to delete the -next tq the last sentence inithe Rth paragraph. Motion
carried 4 aye vote. ,
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MOTION was made by / ouaciic. an Johnson. second by Councilman Hunt to RE : MINtRES QF
approve the minuted of h special meeting held October 99 1971. Motion OCT. 9. 2971
carried 4 aye wgtq'.
Ati1TIAN was wader by Councilman Hunt, second by Qouncil°e an Spaeth to RE: `tINUTES OF
approv4 the minytes of a regular meeting held October 18, 1971. Motion OCT. 18. 1971
carried 3 aye
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otes. Mayor Hilde abstained.
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MOTION was qic* by Councilman Johnson, second by Councillean Spaeth to RE: 11IHUTES dF
approve the ganutes of a special meeting held October 21;, 1971)vtth OCT. 21. 1971
the diletlon;lrF the word "final" from the first paragraph and motion.
Resolution 071-408, on page 1. which is incorrect. Mecion,'carried 4
aye voter..
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Manager V1111ts said a public hea,Xtng to consider the construction of RE: PROJECT
water a%& sever on 10t•,h Avenue Nd,rth between Nathan Lane and County fi70»8,9-F 10TH AVE.
Zaad 011A oas scheduled as a result of a request for thin improvement. UTILITIES
The Caan&l carefully studied this improvement and advised those who
will Vie A'Ifected of tonight's hearing.
Engi.neer Rudrud reviewed the project and told the citigens that the
estimated preliminary report for the sanitary sewer is $14.60/tr.ft.
and $6.80/fr.ft, for the water. Gravel street restoration to estimated
nt $3.50/fr.ft. and for a 2" bituminous it is $R.00/fr.ft. Area c:hnrgeg
Iare not included. They will he assessed after a comprehons:ve rate
study has been completed. The public hgaring ope%ied at 7:55 P.M.
Mr. Fred Salmon. 9818 10th Atli. N., said sewer And roster is already stubbed
Into hie property from Nathao Lane. No asked chat thR cpsts Will be for
this. Ile has already been aseessed for the otbor project. Ile did not know
what side of his property was used for tht assessment. Mayor ltilde told
him that the Council did not have the assessment records before them to
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checi th'a out, but that in no case is a pr rper-tv owner ever assessed twice
for seve and water improvements. Re recommended that Mr. Saluron check this
out'in tie morning with Apsesseent Clerk Malrick, and also wttn Engineer
Ru4p vio can refer to his map to find out what side'of the property was
used for; the assessment.
Mr. Mex Liosick, 9621 10th Ave. N., asked how the $14.SO asaesenect figure
was artived at, it used to be $7.50 for severer. Engineer Rudrud explained
that thO'figure was taken from the preliminary report. In 1966 the figure
was $7,1'0 now it is about half again of what it cosc'then. Mayor Hilde said
14.50 STs in line with today's prices. Professional engineers furnish this
informa'tton and the Council relies on them to be arnurj%te. Their figures
ace bas4d on actual experience. Mr. Liselck said to could not see the imp-
rovement for a $6,000 assessment.
Mr. A.rE. Hinnenthal, 419E Vinewood Lane, a partner of GRO Corporation, said
they vi keit to construct a 20.000 sq. f t . indust<r:Ls. huilding . The Planning
Commission approved their building plan subject t.sever and water facilities
and until we have it we do not feel we can go ahead with the building. Lean
compaw.es shy away from buildings without sewer and wateir. If the Xeaidents
do not' get it they will have a hard time to sell. It I&zoned industrial
but does not have utilities. The people will find a low loan value due to
this situation. We are interested in sewer and water and naturally we want
you to put it in because we want to build.
Mr. Bqb brenny of Premier Realty, 430 Oak Grove, said we have a piece of pro-
perty on 10th Avenue which can be sold for a residence and is not big enough
for an industrial site. The people want to sell but cannot because it is not
set up for industrial. It is only zoned that way. On 91th Avenue this area
etas to be laid out or it will go as a Mickey `louse package. It is the
entrance to Plymouth from Golden Valley. A Rutde line should he met on what
to going to be done in the area. It is just sitting thero stagnant. Mayor
Hilde said all we can do is zone it. There is no way we can get you together
for comgtntng your land into bigger parcels. Mr. Breiny said we have a mixed
overall comprehensive plan whin sewer and water comes in. You sho;ld give
thought to the people and what it is costing them for. assessments. You will
he getting revenue. The people are waiting for something to go. Mayor Hilde
said we want to see this area developed. We went a liongivay when we aoned it
and went to a tremendous expanse to put a pipeline in there. tie want a tax
baso there.
Coune'lman Hunt said it te'di`t!cult for up to put sower and water in without
kno%ring what the plans are going to be. It may lie that it is not just the
right plan. Mayor Hilde said we must know the elevations and how you want to
lay things out. Engineer Ronestron maid wo also askTad Mr. Paaandak and others
for their plans. Councilman Srae... kb4ld we thought 10th Avenue could go in
becausa we will not have to make s%7)ig cut. If we go to 9th Avenue it will
reoulre a lot of di.gging because or the hill, it might cost $411.110/fr.ft.
Mr. Brenn said the 7 acres to the left and property around the corner have
had extensive upgrading. Mayor Hilde said Oe attitude of they staff and
Council is that we want very much to upgrade the area. we need tow 1'n far
an we can to put sewer and water in but will he hesitant to put to expen-
sive areas without knowing if it will be useful. 14, are (oiicernv%i ahout
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putting together bundles of property and leaving nor,ets'of property iao!Ated.,
he will want to know that every reasonable effort will uo rude to have a good ,
Job done. Mr. hrenna said they are negotiating with pep to on both sides of
the,htll and are trying to purchase the properties on top so the hill can be
J:raded to the right industrial grade. Pe would like the amurovements on 9th
A.venue as well as 10th Avenue. 1
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N.t. Karl McLeiser, of the S. J. Croves Company, 40 Washtnpon Ave. So.,, said
We have done some grading for big facilities on 6th Ave. there are some pro-
Verties at present without sewer. There is ae overflow on properties and we
ave to have sewer for platming, but tonight's ,discussion does not affect us.
A citizen from 1735 Wayzata Blvd., owning property`';in 9th Avenue and County
Road 018'frglntage road, north end, said he is in favtr of s#ever and water
going. in ox lath, 8th, 9th and 6th or wherever else it i,oulJ be put in. We
are defini,L00" interested. Ir building on the prop^rte+ -rightaway or by next
spring, i
Mr. Vic Tietz, 9718 lOtb.Ave. N., said we have; a shbl+low ve4tl with low pressure
which required a chemical reaction to keep it working. We have to go to the
laundromat for our washing.
Ftr. Palmer J. Kvalness, 4160 Webster Avenue,
our frontage is 372' which exceeds any other
the improvement.
tiro Leslie Ranta, 9724 lath Avenue, said he
He has no problems. Nearing closed at 8:.25
representing G'•',A Corporation, staid
parcel. Wv would very much like
was against, it for inth Avenue.
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Engineer Ronestroo said a hearing was 'geld cuo ywars ago and the assessment
wa$ $11.7G for sewer, now it is S14.6n, "Itavor Hilde said wo know what we want,
If we decide on the project it could be an and -on. For the rest of it we
could ask the manager to get together with the landownetia ti) coordinate the
problems so we can gat going in the area. We need the tax base and it is the
gateway to our Village. The businessmen will have, to be thh aggressive parties.
Councilman Ount said the Plymouth Gardens area base map vrutd be useful for them
to work with, `tr. Brenna said toey have all the data throu$lhout the whole area.
Ile pnc nted oiit on the map which 1,ireas have plant made for tbom ,And where sewer
Is required by next spring.
TOUON was made by Councilman liintz, tecond by Councilman Johnson to adopt
i:ES"OL rTION N'Oo A Rt!;OLLTION 01DERING T1I1: PLANS A\,I 1 SPI;CTrirATIONS
FnF; PR0JF'.CT oi'70-8,ci-l' SElrR A,\11 WATER Ul"Rt'lVDIFNTS TO 1nTH AUNUF NORTH
IIFI'WF,.Ch NATHAN LAVE AND l,;0t'N"fY ROAD \lotion carried S aye roll call
vo to .
it'ITION was nnde by Mayor
Village `lana.*ler to hive
has been done thus inr t
the area to solidify the
to the Council the tvpe
in the area with n view
ulnpment that Council i
Nilde, second b1i Councilman hunt directing the
the l'illaAe i`lan,ner use rhe pinnninr, work that
o coord+iate wtea the various proporty ownerq 0
plan and have the Village Engineer then recommend
of preliminary report that two cin or,l or for sewer
towards ordering such n report to allow aueh dev-
walting for. P'r, tion cnrried 5 alto voton.
VES, yr . 71-413
ORttk:RD MANS
SPECS PROJECT
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Councilman Hunt asked that t Council be shoran w-Itat he ,Report, looks like
at our next meeting. Maryor Hilde told the citizens that this dubject will
be taken up to two weekd. '
With respect to the sub41,vAsion waiver requested by `".ilror,; `'.. 4orgen. 1500 RE: Sl RDIVI920N
Unthus 1 y.tie. Manager 1017.11s said he visited the site vdth the Planner WAIVEI,,0 Mlms
and 'ftgita er. He described the land in quesRion and 7recommepded t6v L. BO AEN
waiver be granted.
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MOTION was made b.;A ' .outicilman Hu e. second 1 Councilman Johnson to
adept RESOL.TION NO. 7I1-414, A R iOLUTION AMOVING THE' SVBDIVISIOI!
IkAIVER REQUESTED BY NXLTON I.. BORDEN AT 1500 )LkNTHU-3 LANF INTO TWO
PARCELS. motion crrrleo 5 ay% roll call vote.
The rezoning re:^uest bade by the Lowry Hill Developmen4 Company was
deferred unt:2 the November 15, 1971 meeting per their request.
RES* 71-414
StT ITV* WAIVER
M. wRGEN
RE : 1lOL.R:1t1LL
OE1T. Co. REh1
REQI'jaST
The Planning Cemmissjon on October 20th recommended approval of th* -
Wood Creek Addition Oubject to eight conditions reported Planner Overhiser. RE: '0000 CREEK
The 6th and 7th cond,`Alans have been resolved. PR41?tINARY PLA'
Manager Willis expr4er ed concern for 'condition 104 with respect to the s'.l'x
lots with three drtl;,eways for access from the six lots onto East Medicine
Lake Blvd. Mr. Shaughnessy, the developer, said he was concerned about
tr^•. #? and U3. Ito met with the Planning Commission And they recommended
he meet with the Park Cotmris&1oft who v1sited the site. They felt there
should be a park in the northeast corner and that the park should 4e
r -proved. The Planning Commission feels a walkway should be provided bei -
ween the nrrtheart park and Medicint Lake. Mr. Shaughnessy sail he doer not
anticipate &nv nee'd for people to go from tt.s northeast corner to the lal:e by
wav of it pedeatrien walkway. It would be a detriment and he agreer) to curtain;
Improvements to the park instead. Mr. Shaughnessy was asked if he consiatered ,
putting a road through the middle of the First Addition would' which eliminate
access or to [Medicine Lake Drive. "tr. I'haughnessy said the .).ota have already
been gssesaed and it would mean that the road would have to PQ thrgiugh the
middle of a swamp. lie displayed a map and briefly described the lgmd fea-
tures, access points, collector street, wfilkways. etc.
Councilman Spaeth said he did not like three driveways onto the boiAevard anq
he lots looked too narraj to build on. 'rhe Planner said they do neet the
required 75' width at building setback line,, Councilman Johnson, sa ld ale feel.A
there are too maty lots on the plan for the w1ze of the, area. it 11)oks lt'N•
yon% are trying to get in as many lots as you can. ";r. Shaughnessv+ said they
are big lots, some of the larger ones have unbuildahle portions on them. Tlwc
Planner said th4 streets fit in with the gulue plan and he pointel than out
on the mn,+.
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Mayor Riles as4d how the pork fits in with the a lerall park pian and what
critsrin was uned for its' locatinn. Mr, ShFrughnagsy said the vo;,ds and tvin
duck panda dre ard,acerit to tho par% arca wh f ch malwA tt contigunuN and ever!2 -
plat map Nan set this aside ns a linrk area.
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There was further discussigra on the access points and also on thl fact that
the Village should rece+ve/title to all or! the property fronting *tedicin,e
Lake and',3ive back to thn/Seveloper an raslment for a dock up to 10 years at,
say, $1.09/year. Furtherr, that a walkIray easement be pr-avideOetween "'ed-
cine. LAke Blvd, at the so'uthwept corner of the plat and the sti et to the
northeast of that point.,` Councilman Johnson said he cannot lour, at it favor-
ably due to the over-extension of development and road utiltrat:o Ownership
of the very northwasteVa parcel, 32nd Ave., was questidned. "fr. 1,66"vghnessy
said he is negotiatinW with the School Uis.trict for this pau el J4ch they owra
Mayor Hilde said he sould make sure l hcre is good sight visibi,'li y in the
riedicine Lake Blvd. r res so people cat see i f thorn Arb i:art+ rotftt jp to or out.
Mr. Shaughnessy satoo they would set th rouses hack 50' off of tfedlcine take
Blvd.
MOTION was made by Councilman Spaeth, sitsiond by CounctIman Hunt td refer the
Wood Creek Addition preliminary plat back to the Planking Compiasion'and
heve them work out one access onto Medicine Lake Blvd'. and an agre4ment on
the other six conditions set forth by the Planning Ccpmission. FuVther, that
the right of way for this plat from the school property be such that the
Council will know that Mr. Shaughnessy will be requiring title to said property.
Further, that Union Terrace and Saratoga Lane betseen the Woo# Creek Addition
and 321d Avenue he resolved as it relates to water, sewer and streets and
covered in the Developelent Contract. rfotion carriedS aye vote.
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Ban -Con, I_ic. developers of Cheleen Woods, requested,approval for a Cond- RE: CONDITIONAL
itional Use Permtt for an outdoor advartising sign it, a R -O District which USE PER%IIT,
Mould be 96 sq* fte in area and 14' high, BAN -CON, INC.
MOTION was made by Councilman Johnson, second by Cou icllman Spaeth to
adopt RESOLUTION NO. 71-415, A RESOLIITI1411 APPROVING ' CONDITI(INAL USE
PEWIT FOR RAN -CON, INC. OF ST. PAUL FOR A SIGN 96 3KARE FEET IN AREA
AND 14 FEET HIGH UNTIL JANUARY Is lq 72 . FVRTHF.,1,6 Tli : LOCATioN nF THE
SIGN SHALL CONFORM Tn THE ZONING REGULATIONS WHICH A :QUIRS T)IAT IT BE
50 FEEL, OFF THE RICHT OF WAY OF STATE HIGHWAY ASS AkV) AT LWT 200 FFF;T
FROM ANY OT11LR SIGN. *fotirtr. carried 4 aye r:+11 call, vote, Councilman
Hunt abstained.
REPORTS BY OE'FICERS 110AR[1S S CO`^!ISSIONS
Manager Millis said the memo from Planner nverhiner regarding the Planning
Commission's recommendation concerning offices in residential districts
was the result of a recant request received for an -ff ice in
a residential die3trict. A longthyr discussion was herd on this Ruhiect,
as welI as the pros anti cons of Conditional Use Permits and if A new or
amended ordinance shout. he draw up.
MOTION was made, by Councilman Spaeth. socond by Councilman Johnson direct-
ing t1 -e 'Planning Commissior, and attornev to prepore a draft ordinance pro-
vikting for such Conditionni Use Permits for use in our residential zoning
ordinance cede. Votion failed, a nays votes',
MOTION was made by Council
the ,gtaff to pursue the li
whiclo within cur present
with a foat czmployees, in a
in reRidont.ial districts,
Motion carried 5 aye votes
pion hunt, Recond by Councilman Johnson directing
no of renswninn ttiscu4sed to sur. if there is any
ordinance that will allow this type of offtce.
residential distrtct, and if they aro
whir are they, and if not pern 1tted, W11v
perms t teal
not?
RES. NO % 71-415
PEW ITT APPROVED
BAN -CON. INC.
RE: OFFICES
RESIDENTIAL
DISTWTS
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MOTION was made by Councilman Johnson, second by Councilman Spaeth to
adopt ?tiESOLL'TIOV. No. 71-417. A RESOLUTION APFROVINC THE RECLUR PAY-
ROLL. DISBURSE I NT FOR THE PERIOD ENDING OCTOBER 299 1071 Ih THF. ,VOLTN''T
OF $2$,93.73. Motion carried 5 aye roll call vote.,
OTION was, made4 by Councilman Johnson, second by Cour.cilrwn Hunt 'to
adopt KESOLUTM! `0. 71-4.18, A RFSALL'TION APPROVING, V17 GF.YERAL Fl N7Y
D1SBVRSrmEN"r V00,, -THE PERIOn :."pING OCTOBER 29, lg71 IN THE A."01'4N"r OF
7,180,292.55. %,110on carried 5 aye roll call vote.
MOTION was made by i ,auncilman Johnson, rc%;ond by Council"n Katz to
adopt PESOLUTION N1. 0 71-4190 A RESOLUTION APPROVING TIFF CONSTRUCTIO`:
AND SINKING FUND DIS'3bRSPENT FOR THE PERIOD ENDI;JG OCTOBER 319 1971
IN THE VOL'iv'T OF $71,139.30. Motion -Arried S aye roll call vote.
Rc:SOLUTIONS AND 0RDINtVNC1.''
IDTION was made by Counrillan Hunt, second by Councilman Hintz to
adept RESOLUTION N0. 71-416.. A RESOLL710h AUTHORIZING AND DIRECT NG
THE HAVOR AND VILLAGE WAGER TO ENTER AN ORDER WITH RESPFCT TO A
4IAZARDO!
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Councilman Hintz announced that he has made up his mind not to rut,, for RE: COUNCIL SEAT
re-election to the Council seat. Fe does have personal ••easons VACANCY
for this aecision. There are a number of highly qualified people running
for thio office and the citizens should get out'\srd vote for tt.o&-, that
are so hig`ily qualified. xlayor Hilti,% said no one would deny .,.hat Council. -
mag Hintz has not given his all to the Village, 1, for one, expoess my
appreciation for the job that he has done.
Meeting adjourned at 10:15 P,Me
Crvoline J. Ranf, Clerk
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