HomeMy WebLinkAboutCity Council Minutes 05-20-1971 SpecialMINUTES OF A SPECIAL COUNCIL NMEETING
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MAY 20. 1971ItAmeetingtoholdapublichearingwascalledto order by Mayor Hilde at
7:40 P.M. on May 20, 1971 in the deacon Heights Flemenrary School.
PRESENT: Mayor Ililde, Councilmen Johnson, Hintz, Spaech and Hunt, Managkir
Willi3, Pngineer Rudrud, Consultant Engineer BrneRtroo and
Attorney Drawz,
ABSENT: None
Paster Gerald Oas of the Greenwoi-,)d Baptist Church gavi the invocation.
Mayor Ililde introduced Manager 1Ji',! is to the ..itizens. lie said the proposed
project for wh6T. this hearing is held covers the area lying West of 1ledicine
Lake and Forth sof iighway 1155. Scope of the work to be contemplates+ will b.:
discussed. The work programmed has been thoroughly analyzed by the Council
and staff. The meeting has been orCaniaed in accordance with State statutes
of i'linstesotd. Citizens ate invited to let your officials know how you feel
about the proposed project. The first step taken on a project is when the
Cowncil begins to receive requests and cormcnts from citizens ot; ,a particular
problain such as cesspools and poor water. The second step is taken when people
gall the staff and indicate that ;,du; thing. Unless thr gravity and seriousness
of the problems are significant nnough nothing will l,a•,!aen unless a picture dev-
elops in a certain way, then we feel resonsible to spend sono money and study
Ahe problem. We take the next step and order a preliminar•- rm.port, which is
not too expensive at this point, but we find out what the mute is for the
improvement to go in. We study it carefully aid IS i- +c in the b.Mpark and
cost estimates reasonable .and project fer.s.ihle we ,accept the report and order
a public hearing. Notices are so-nr to the peoplo anti puhli.n! ed an the ofei-
cial paper. lie introduced Engine•ir Rudrud rand iskki' hist to. tlescrihe the entire
program, which .is an extremely cowplicntol project, varioue -ervlce,s are being
offered, follow as carefully and n; you ctir snd ask civeetions if you
do not untler.ct,and what it; being shctt,m ,and diUct s; e .
I;ngtneer Rudrud sprid we have considered many nrent, for ;ta,tali; Mtr ittpriitr- hent
and we are considering only these most :mpr,rta,it to the :c; arty lnvolvec. ';.tides
were projected. The str.rm newer route, was im0l';1c,d i'ntl he said I- I , conn
sideratior, was water tecause we have recetvad fueNatrnl petitions. .Croy,. rol wall
redrillings have occurred, which were hoint,asl ru, cn n mnp and tht H w',th Hewer
problem~. hater proposed in the North hall an. .9 ,t -0 half was sholm. 5nmo
Htorm scwe,4 are in the area and some are, ju,vt, 'p . Irl dite; ps which t; ?-n shown
by slides. Some have tr be made larger and c,n tot 1 -„ave the groper c -tint• : t.v.
There have been newer problems in CreekwooJ llioli1 : Ad;itinn. 1\an hnve
water coming out of heroes in the catch basins, a-ot er ..rpears to he homing
out of private hewers which we will have to lo0 at lie stated want benefits
would be rea..i-cn by having water instniled with ro- !tett to nafe.ty of supply,
chlorination attd flouridntion, fire. prote.ti.nn, '-et Ler quality tater, soft-
eners not rcquired, insurance, rntes will its, doyen, onstruction rates Will Ho
tt; each ve!:'e and a9ne''4RrN111ts nie cheaper nor nn w. -ca -wide project,
04%re slides wc+te projected and It waL pointe+! out tJherct thr nrtrmpl installations
will be for water. However., extrn doq1gn offort will hove to he made on Went
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Medicine Lake Drive. There will be inconveniences getting in and out but
an attempt will be made to minimize this problem. Jonquil Lame presents a
problem due to fences, etc, being so close to the road and the right-of-way
on Hemlock Lane is narrow. Storm sewer is being considered as part of
this construction and will be considerably less than the water main, 5 -,ion,
32' wide, some 24' wide streets with curbs, and gutters ate also being con-
sidered if atomsewer goes in., All areas of Plymouth someday will hatz
storm sewers. More slides were projected on drainage districts, ditches
and culverts. Street construction will create inconveniences. Cost est-
imates are noted on the handouts, (Exhibit A attached) and he told what the
costs would be without certain improvements if they are already,.,in. We do'
not anticipate doing any of this work in 1971. If any work is done it Will
be late this fall and possibly only those emergency,areass which could be
done in conjunction with another project.
tayor iiilde said we' are grouping m my projects .,ogether because when we
dig up a street, for instance for vv.ter, you spend a tot of money to do
this and you are removing a lot of good base from the street, so we feel
it is feasible to do the other)things that will be required in a short time
and it can be done in a much more feasible manner. That is why we 400k at.
the whole area in terms of having it done at the same time and get it done
for less than having it done piece mea.1. Also, due to construction in-
dustry information, to delay%these projects if you have a reasonable need
for it would be very costly due to riming costs, tie introduced the CounlciJ,
members and staff.
Manager Willis went over the assessment factors for projects of this type.
lie said two hearings are held, one for the project itself then an^cher
one if the project is ordered which is the assessment hearing. The final
cost is divided up at that time. Tonight we are dealing with cost esti-
mates. Manager Willis said thi final day of reckoning will come sometime
Inter following thu major portion of the construction, After contracts
are. taken and b:.ds awarded and costs established and we knew what the cost
w0 l be, the hsaring is scheduled to be held and you will he notified to
come and vt}ice your opinions about the assessment and improvement. A
publicatioN will be made in the official paper and an official notice will
be sent to you at ,your residence in accordance with State law, which is
your address on your tax bill recorded on the .,ounty Auditor's tax rolls.
You will have 30 dayo, to pay the asses4sm>ent without interest. Thereafter
interest will be charged from the date of the hearing at the rate of tr-
terest prescribed by the Council at the hearing. All prepayments should
be made on or before November first of every year if you wish to avoid
laying interest for the year following. November first of every year, that's
required by State law and ve have no legal ipower to adjust this process. If
ycu would like to accumulate yotssr assessment you can let them go for five
years and pay them to the village in full at that. time. Also, established
by state lav,' is the moe ting held this evening by official notice in the
parer ani notices spirt • - nraperty owners, so you will have an opportunity
to voice your opiniu,%. ;hers have Ileen met and the notices of the hearings
are on file.
Mayor Hilde said, no indicated the es3timntess are just esstimatseb, We are
doing a rate study to find out if we are dOng .aur village finah:l.ng preporty,
Oe "uspoct whth it is completed there may be some upward entime ;is, Secoadly,
if this project is ordered you have 40 days after the assaea;Nmers ` roll to
adopted to pay the entire balgnne without any interest charge ar %11.. 4eyond
that 3n days it goes to the Cow.ity Auditor, then you must pay intorest. for
the bsslanc a sof the vear. keep thisi in mind, people forget that, November
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Medicine Lake Drive. There will be inconveniences getting in and out but
an attempt will be made to minimize this problem. Jonquil Lame presents a
problem due to fences, etc, being so close to the road and the right-of-way
on Hemlock Lane is narrow. Storm sewer is being considered as part of
this construction and will be considerably less than the water main, 5 -,ion,
32' wide, some 24' wide streets with curbs, and gutters ate also being con-
sidered if atomsewer goes in., All areas of Plymouth someday will hatz
storm sewers. More slides were projected on drainage districts, ditches
and culverts. Street construction will create inconveniences. Cost est-
imates are noted on the handouts, (Exhibit A attached) and he told what the
costs would be without certain improvements if they are already,.,in. We do'
not anticipate doing any of this work in 1971. If any work is done it Will
be late this fall and possibly only those emergency,areass which could be
done in conjunction with another project.
tayor iiilde said we' are grouping m my projects .,ogether because when we
dig up a street, for instance for vv.ter, you spend a tot of money to do
this and you are removing a lot of good base from the street, so we feel
it is feasible to do the other)things that will be required in a short time
and it can be done in a much more feasible manner. That is why we 400k at.
the whole area in terms of having it done at the same time and get it done
for less than having it done piece mea.1. Also, due to construction in-
dustry information, to delay%these projects if you have a reasonable need
for it would be very costly due to riming costs, tie introduced the CounlciJ,
members and staff.
Manager Willis went over the assessment factors for projects of this type.
lie said two hearings are held, one for the project itself then an^cher
one if the project is ordered which is the assessment hearing. The final
cost is divided up at that time. Tonight we are dealing with cost esti-
mates. Manager Willis said thi final day of reckoning will come sometime
Inter following thu major portion of the construction, After contracts
are. taken and b:.ds awarded and costs established and we knew what the cost
w0 l be, the hsaring is scheduled to be held and you will he notified to
come and vt}ice your opinions about the assessment and improvement. A
publicatioN will be made in the official paper and an official notice will
be sent to you at ,your residence in accordance with State law, which is
your address on your tax bill recorded on the .,ounty Auditor's tax rolls.
You will have 30 dayo, to pay the asses4sm>ent without interest. Thereafter
interest will be charged from the date of the hearing at the rate of tr-
terest prescribed by the Council at the hearing. All prepayments should
be made on or before November first of every year if you wish to avoid
laying interest for the year following. November first of every year, that's
required by State law and ve have no legal ipower to adjust this process. If
ycu would like to accumulate yotssr assessment you can let them go for five
years and pay them to the village in full at that. time. Also, established
by state lav,' is the moe ting held this evening by official notice in the
parer ani notices spirt • - nraperty owners, so you will have an opportunity
to voice your opiniu,%. ;hers have Ileen met and the notices of the hearings
are on file.
Mayor Hilde said, no indicated the es3timntess are just esstimatseb, We are
doing a rate study to find out if we are dOng .aur village finah:l.ng preporty,
Oe "uspoct whth it is completed there may be some upward entime ;is, Secoadly,
if this project is ordered you have 40 days after the assaea;Nmers ` roll to
adopted to pay the entire balgnne without any interest charge ar %11.. 4eyond
that 3n days it goes to the Cow.ity Auditor, then you must pay intorest. for
the bsslanc a sof the vear. keep thisi in mind, people forget that, November
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MAY, 20 1971i'
ORO, ECT NO 71-1,226 8-A
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SANITARY SEWER: i `
Estimated tot'RI cost i 128SCIOO UO
Estimated assLssment per front foot 11.40",.
Lift! station for 28th & Evergreen
Sanitary Sewer: o
r Estimated total cost 29,500.00 ,
Paid foxout of Trunk ,Sewer- 'rued
WATER MAI N .
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Estimated total cost 685,700.00
Estimated as8essment per front foot 9.60
SIVRM SEWER:
vi•st r.-.ct.s i IX (See Map #2)
Estimated total. cost 1600000000
Estimated assessment per sq. ft. 0.028
Districts X XIV (See Map #2)
Estimated total cost 19,000.00
Estimated essessmont per. 'sq• ft. 0.005 .
Siltl;i,,l DIVROVE3MrN1S with concrete curb and ut.Cc>>,,
Est rnatoo. d tot it cost. 830,WoOO
Estijuitcd asscssmont per front: foot 1161130
STRi"331,1' TIVROVIt.MIIANI1'S FOR WATU"A MON AREA ONLY
1. MWrM••'.r.r r.•y•L M• • mow•.'
Without curb and gutter'.
Rvtitivitod tolAttl cost' 3400000.00
Est kvil,cd ns;sw;smcnt, poo fillaiit: foot t,. ?•O
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hST11 fNTE a as.,sessmont for. typical lot with 100' fronta8d
and 15,000 sq. ft, in size, getting'all improve"
ri{ents - water main, sanitary sewer, streetsrind -
storm sei er - would Vii as; follow,
iN % '1011M SE[dCR AltE1l5 ,I' - IX
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Sanitary sewer trunk charge 225900
Water main trjnk charge 175, 00
Sanitary sewer lateral - 100' x $11.40 111404,00 '
Water main - 100' x $9.60 960 .'OBJ
Storm sewer - 15;00 x $0.028 420.0
i' Street imp'%ovetnent& - 100' x $13.30 1 330.,b0
ESTI-TED Total Assessme zt 250.04
ESTIMA'1'Ca assessment: fGrtypical lot with 100'
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and 15,000 sq, ft, in size, getting all. improve"
ments - water.` main, sanitary sewer, streets and '
storm sewer - would be as follows:
IN STORM SET -11M AREAS x xiv
Sanitary sewer trunk chu ge 225.00
Water ma iii trunk charge 175.00
Sanitary sewer lateral - 100' x $11.40 w 1,140.
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Water main lateral - 3.00' x $9.60 960:00 '
Storm sewer. - 15,000 x 0.005 75.00
Street: improvement's - 100' x $13.30 11330 Ono
ESTIriA'!,'1!) Total Assr.ssaient 3 905,00 '
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NOTE : These Zinurns ,are est .bates, A comprehensive study of ' wr-w +
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uta frfy -ait s and nssescmenI-s is bo.ing made. The sooty
Will i,ncl.u(It. niterntite mottiods of ossessi.ng. Eacli '
h);o3act will be revue vocl regarding circumstances nncl
actucil. construction costs. 11iis wil.3. probably dictate
a„sessrnt))(4 rVILO i.ncreises.
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first is tte date you ust pay it in order to avoid paying interest for the
next year. This is set by state law and handled by the County Auditor.
The'public hearing opened at 8:40 P.M4
Dr. Les Kochenderfer, 2740 Sycamore Lane, said he is for the project. He
owns ole of the largest curved lots in Creekwood Heights and would like to
know how he will be assessed. Engineer Rudrud said basically a lot with a
large or short frontage is made into a rectangular lot so your front footage
is;;equalized. Dr. Kochenderfer asked if the projects are voted on by the
Council, representatives or who? Mayor Filde said the state law requires
we hoed these hearings and the Council votes on it, which take _4 out of 5
Votes to pass.
if you have already had streets put,, in doe, the $13.50 cos\ still apply?
lie had a 5,, -ton street put in 5 years ago. Engineer Rudrud,said there would
be a differential for permanent streets and there would be policy decision
fnade on the assessment.
Yr. Jon B. Albrightson, 2860 Evergreen Lane, said he was for the project.
We are on a private road from 28th Avenue. I wonder, because of the sewer
and water, will the Village take it over or not? Engineer BoneA troo said
the road will have to be dediated before the utilities can be put in. Mr.
Albrightson said he thought it had been offered .o the Village aad they did
not;want it because it is not up to grade. Engineer Bonestroo said without
knowing the conplete history here, if we do a project on your street and it
is private, we will have to obtain the right-of-way and then we cdn comp-
letely build it up to specifications. Mr. Albrightson asked if it was up
to them to get it then. %ty lot is the second to largest lot on this street.
The last lot has no frontage. Will my lot be charged to pet it to him?
ayor Htlde said no, we have developed a policy to arrive at an equalization
procedure for neighborhoods that have similar sized lots with different
front footages.
Mr. Richard Kerman, 2625 Sycamore Lane, etas for the project. Ile remarked about
the slide showing well drillings and cesspool pumpings. In the Creekwood
eights area the area with the blue dots on the slide belongs to a developer
and does not mean there are homes in the area. Ile asked when the f;lRureK were
arrived at? Mayor 1111de said the preliminary report was based on 1971 con-
struction estimates.
Mr. Robert Nettle, 267n Kirkwood Lane, said he was here because the sewer went
down my street and I am being charged $11.25 for it sewer t do not need. I
contacted the city hall. to find out who the city engineer is for getting a
bill that does not do me any good at all. I think my primacy objection on
Kt.rkwood is I would say, that about 607 Of the people I%gve wells 126' to VP
deep. Mine was put to a year ngo. The well m. -in said needetl a new well
because of the rua.' construction can Went tledteine Lake Drive which disturbed
the water table and .1 -,ad to go down 126'. I am nit worried about ntorm newer.
Kirkwood AvLaue betwoon 260% and 27th, Section 4A, Thage blue lines •, nre they
petitions from homeowners requesting seater and was-ert Mayor )tilde snits there
are no homed there at nil. Mr. Ilettle said it is confusing and I hki'h= st,ok n
lot of people here who have lived here a long, time and there Are not the shacks
there that used to be. I have Reen some improvement and there Rhou114 be, )jut
ae cannot do it all of a sudden. Whother there are $5n,nnn homey Or not it
was primarily n farm area, now lie in the minority and the small propurty Owners
find themselves in minority because of housing protects anti you Ray .b but is
will improve your property vaaluO - Ra I npond $t.Onn for this awl another $1,Mn
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for that but still have a $8500 house. I am sure I will not worry about
capital gains. The stock market does not seem to be in too peod a shape,
business is bad, people will agree with that, even our *tayor. People are
afraid to spend money but the Village of Plymouth proposes we spend our
money, who insist we will be in a worse position next year.
Mr. Floyd Olson, 3310 Lanewood, said he owns the area in Creekwood Heights
Second Addition. He petitioned for the improvements. We are building
moderately priced homes and want water in order to get FHA financing. So,
to cut down our construction costs we can pass the savings on to the con-
sumer.
Mr. Elroy Peterson, 1565 Evergreen Lane, said there are a lot of wells being
serviced in our area. It would be deatrable to have water. I am in favor
of it. These little jotted lines - do they mean where the improvement of
storm Reser takes place and the assessment is made only on that or what? I
am about 2 blocks away from the north part and it makes a difference of
375 in the cost. Why am I being charged so many more dollars when I an
where C am? Engineer Rudrud said the storm sewer areas outlined are the ones
being considered and this is the boundary line of the area to be assessed.
Those outside of the area are not being considered for the improvement now.
Mr. Peterson asked why is there a difference in the cost between one area
and another? $42nO assessment is ridiculous, just to lay a little pipe. 'Vayor
Hilde said that is for sewer, water, storm sever and street improvements. 1f
all are not required it would be pulled out. Mfr. Peterson said he is %n `:9 on
map 02. Engineer Rudrud said that area includeG everything. The two diff-
erent rates are for the two areas where pipes will go, etc. Mayor Hilde said
it is based on doing that particular job. It denotes the difference for more
involved costs and had to be separated for that reason. Mr. Peterson said
you have it divided into areas for BSc and U. Mayor llilde said that is be-
cause of the cost difference. Mr. Petersan said he will have to accept it then.
Mr. Val Lauer, 28nn Evergreen, Paid I am 1007 for the improvements. When you
talk about street improvements, what type of base is it and how long will the
street be good for? Ile wan told by the Engineer it will be a 5 -ton residential
road, blacktopped and go down Evergreen of mixed asphalt. They will be in-
spected and seal.coated periodically and last 15 to 20 years. Mr. Lauer asked
if the chuckhole at the bottom of the hill will be taken care of? He was told
it would be.
lr. Harmon 8., Tobler, 12804 28th Avenue, said he is in favor of the project.
I have nightmares at times thinking we will fall into a cesspool. I have a
cesspool problems. The Engineer looked at my place and showed me through
the neighborhood. Water is a real necessity. Cost for continual Improve-
ments cannot be avoided.
Mr. Norman Torrisson, 12911 27th Avenue, asked what interest rate is being
charged now? Is it true ,you are hondinp at 6" and charging us OV favor
llilde said last year we charged 81' and our hands were 71. lie try to maintain
a point spread for safety. TorriRPon asked w but you will not finance
the project for lees interest charge? Mayor llilde said we will even It out
for uthat the project will cost. We do not finance the project with money,
derived from interest. Vr. Torrisson said lie saw ne reason for storm sewer,
it goes into Plymouth Creak ,immediately. You talk about a 15 year road, we
have not paid for our road yet, now it in already,hreaktnll up. I wAs late
tonight and could not get to another place. If 4ou give me the newer I would
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not take it for the trouble it will cause me. I talked to a woman yesterday
In Greentree and she indicated she would never go through it again. Creekwood
Meights'First is getting a bad job here. I do not think it would cost, $4250.
You afire trying' to r;onvtnce us how cheap it will be. For an instance you used
100 lots and,we,must have 18,500 sq. ft. and the tax is compared on a $2O,000
house - how' many'of those are there? You charge us $11.O0,per quarter then
you force us to hook up to the sewer, then the water, maybe a few can afford it,
I can't. I could p -;em my septic tank and be money ahead. <
Mayor Hilde said, first I think most of us'know this is a community -kind of
project) and it is not possible to skip avfi'glares who do not want something.
So it is difficult for your. Council to contemplate and arrive at decisions be-
cau3e There are people who do want it 1:id t os!:) who do not want 'it. So - we
look at'it from the overall area where you live. We know, for sure, that when
this d-ec'tsion is made whether it 15, go or no, some people will be opposed and
we wail not please every ody. We `lid not xven want to consider this project
this' year because we were, so busy and hal ' so much to do, but ao many have asked
us for it') and ,it would be the height of i.;xe:=ponsibility if •ire ignored them.
There is, 'no reason to distort the picture`the 100' figure is easy to use for
multiples. secondly. , there are a lot of flo'ts in this area that
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100 or less,
most of them are smaller, oto there is no attempt made to fool anyone here. As
far as troublesome, some projects have been troublesome, but we have hired
mora staff over the years. It is never pleasant when they dig up the street
but we have shortened the period. The South.rest was our largest project ever
and we had about 95" of the roads back In the fall and the best %,!e could was
done to get them bask as fast as possible.
trs. Blom, 2510 "tagnolia, said she initiated a petition for water however, was
surprised it will not come 'befo: fall. It is necessary, particularly south
of 26th Avenue king to Highway #55. One of the people said his house is worth
4500 and ik getting all of these assessments. Actually the homes are like 20
years old and not evaluated at $20,000 and they cannot pay the assessments, etc.
Vater will be coming in one way or another and it is cheaper to do this. So,
we who are suffering poor weld cannot afford not to get it now. On inconveti:
iences for road repairs, etc. I do not think these people have had the inconven-
ience of having no well and all kinds of things thr.t are existing in the section
South of 26ch Avenue, w'iich is worse than kalking half a Mock to your car.
Regarding the time, is there tiny way we could, get it hefore fall? Itayar llilde
said we discussed this aroject and first, we do not want to make the bad mistake
of biting off more than we can chew advantageously. We did as much wort: as
Bloomington with only 102 of their staff. So - we are foolish If we try and
attempt to do this again. We want the streets to Ito hack in -.,fight with the
proper amount of hsps:tars and handle your Phone calls properly. We do not
grant to build up a big staff and have to carry them along during a quiet year.
Your areA was considert.1-1 1-o go out sooner because of the problems. It is poss-
ible on an engineering type basis that we may get to that area sopt.er.
ttr. Chas. ireflin, 127:0 27th Ave. y., wondered w',iv thev can't hn-'a the Hever
laid down their alley instaad of the street. bng+neer Rudrud said nr_rmally
thare are many proble-os due to getting eusament-,4, ;.reel, structures and hard
to maintain. It is nct a uod tdea, but we can certainly look into it. Mr.
Vef lin asked - on the wato r, it doesn't show it gotng kin 4 7 Avenue. Mayor
Itildt Rodd it would I e gotrg dua,t there too. ttr Vef lin said he ,ans for the
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rs. James Raymond, 2340 Larch La4e,. said he was in favor.of water and eewe .
have had nothing b'ut trouble wXth our well. The next step wou'd be' redill-
j.+o, we would) rathe:c have water. Ou.,' pressure goes'.down and the rust is what
we )Want to get-Vrid .%4,` I ?e the flouride for my chtldr We don't have
to hock up for two 3 ars, r Ot? Mayor 1I11de said yeQ,,--and :f you bring in a
certificate each yes -,after 'that saying it is okay you do not.ave to hook up
to it. Mrs. Rayemogd, said' they are upgrading their home from $A5,000 to $20,000
and does not want to dig it up agais},very year.
M=s. Mary Wilson,, 27o3 `fagnolia Lane, said we Just bought- property, and found
out there is' no nater, It, -is terrible. We will have to di a well,. If we dig
a well will %'"e have, to. give it, up? Mayor Hilde explained-lbout the two year
hook up period or bringingin a certificate to show it is okay each year. She.
asked if they could get a IOetition to get it in'sooner? We rye at the end of
27th Avenue. Mayor IMde seid we have to consider that. tale do not -know how
to answer Tou on timiltg.
Mr. Glen G. Fredeen, 1910 OakviE-w Lane, said I wish .,o thank Engineer Rudrud_
for spending time with me last week. Oakview is a daadend street. I have
talked to my 32 neighbors and there is nothing menti;ned about redrilling wells
ot.) Oakview or petition; received oT halving work to bt. done and no projects were
shown on Oakview Lane. We have
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people signed ths,t do not want, water or
storm sewer on our street. We would like to see 16., not go'through on our
street. He padded a pe:ation to *favor Hilde.
Mr. Lawrence Burk, 12c ln Ilighwav #55, said you showed a slide on the pond.
Does thee mean it will 6.%. drained and it wtll be the end of the pond? 1111
it he drained? The high%tay empties into it now. We did have some drains put
In when thgy improved the highway. Drains are going into Hidden Lake and
through the bacl-s of the dots. It was taut in when the streets were put in.
A storm urain was put in man Section 11, back of Ives Lane area going to Hidden
Lake and tile was put in,. I was wondering if they put it in will it drain the.
pend? Mayor !tilde said the tray it will work is to control the level of
pond, not to drain it. Nr Burk said it is a useless lot, he'd give it up
for taxes, kfavor llilde asl ed if it iA the idea to leave it useless? "Ir. Burk
said the people would like to leave it as an unused area. We were considering
improving it by having a drag line come to and have an island in the middle
for ducks. It will not be crrined then? *'ayor Hilde said, Engineer 11onestroo
td it absolutely will not drain the area. ?fr. BurL asked if it is nenessary
for storm se%;Qr in Sections 11 and 12. 1 was not aware we needed it. All 'that
section is very high land. Engineer Bonestroo said we realize that possibly
there has been no difficulty, but based on our computations on a 50 year study,
we feel this control in necessory now. If this type of curbing in not Being
considered all the controln will he deleted. `tr. Burk said he was for part of
it. I do not think we need it lased on a 50 year deal, we have sewer but
people do need water.
Afr. Gernld rox, 1745 Oakview, RAW he wondered 3f you can qualify what is
generating the interest? I have not formed an opinion an this And have not
seen ,anything yet to convince me that this is necessary. I do not have a
need for it. 0ayor llilde said we niv not Adlesmen and are not trying to con-
vince you. w1r. Fox asked what are tkae motivating factors? Pfavor llilde said
In the area there have been permits ivsued for rumpings and there have been
potittona. 'Vont of than penple linve said they are in favor. Wo do not try
to qualify the project - it's noel wits as much objectivity as possible is
evaluated in terms of no's and how had it is necaded. The men on the Council
hc;ve spent at number of years studying this quosrion for other Areas.
rs. James Raymond, 2340 Larch La4e,. said he was in favor.of water and eewe .
have had nothing b'ut trouble wXth our well. The next step wou'd be' redill-
j.+o, we would) rathe:c have water. Ou.,' pressure goes'.down and the rust is what
we )Want to get-Vrid .%4,` I ?e the flouride for my chtldr We don't have
to hock up for two 3 ars, r Ot? Mayor 1I11de said yeQ,,--and :f you bring in a
certificate each yes -,after 'that saying it is okay you do not.ave to hook up
to it. Mrs. Rayemogd, said' they are upgrading their home from $A5,000 to $20,000
and does not want to dig it up agais},very year.
M=s. Mary Wilson,, 27o3 `fagnolia Lane, said we Just bought- property, and found
out there is' no nater, It, -is terrible. We will have to di a well,. If we dig
a well will %'"e have, to. give it, up? Mayor Hilde explained-lbout the two year
hook up period or bringingin a certificate to show it is okay each year. She.
asked if they could get a IOetition to get it in'sooner? We rye at the end of
27th Avenue. Mayor IMde seid we have to consider that. tale do not -know how
to answer Tou on timiltg.
Mr. Glen G. Fredeen, 1910 OakviE-w Lane, said I wish .,o thank Engineer Rudrud_
for spending time with me last week. Oakview is a daadend street. I have
talked to my 32 neighbors and there is nothing menti;ned about redrilling wells
ot.) Oakview or petition; received oT halving work to bt. done and no projects were
shown on Oakview Lane. We have
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people signed ths,t do not want, water or
storm sewer on our street. We would like to see 16., not go'through on our
street. He padded a pe:ation to *favor Hilde.
Mr. Lawrence Burk, 12c ln Ilighwav #55, said you showed a slide on the pond.
Does thee mean it will 6.%. drained and it wtll be the end of the pond? 1111
it he drained? The high%tay empties into it now. We did have some drains put
In when thgy improved the highway. Drains are going into Hidden Lake and
through the bacl-s of the dots. It was taut in when the streets were put in.
A storm urain was put in man Section 11, back of Ives Lane area going to Hidden
Lake and tile was put in,. I was wondering if they put it in will it drain the.
pend? Mayor !tilde said the tray it will work is to control the level of
pond, not to drain it. Nr Burk said it is a useless lot, he'd give it up
for taxes, kfavor llilde asl ed if it iA the idea to leave it useless? "Ir. Burk
said the people would like to leave it as an unused area. We were considering
improving it by having a drag line come to and have an island in the middle
for ducks. It will not be crrined then? *'ayor Hilde said, Engineer 11onestroo
td it absolutely will not drain the area. ?fr. BurL asked if it is nenessary
for storm se%;Qr in Sections 11 and 12. 1 was not aware we needed it. All 'that
section is very high land. Engineer Bonestroo said we realize that possibly
there has been no difficulty, but based on our computations on a 50 year study,
we feel this control in necessory now. If this type of curbing in not Being
considered all the controln will he deleted. `tr. Burk said he was for part of
it. I do not think we need it lased on a 50 year deal, we have sewer but
people do need water.
Afr. Gernld rox, 1745 Oakview, RAW he wondered 3f you can qualify what is
generating the interest? I have not formed an opinion an this And have not
seen ,anything yet to convince me that this is necessary. I do not have a
need for it. 0ayor llilde said we niv not Adlesmen and are not trying to con-
vince you. w1r. Fox asked what are tkae motivating factors? Pfavor llilde said
In the area there have been permits ivsued for rumpings and there have been
potittona. 'Vont of than penple linve said they are in favor. Wo do not try
to qualify the project - it's noel wits as much objectivity as possible is
evaluated in terms of no's and how had it is necaded. The men on the Council
hc;ve spent at number of years studying this quosrion for other Areas.
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Plymouth has a lot of clay and it is a mixture of clay and gravel, cesspools
do not work too good and we have experienced this throughout the village. There
are some new homes that have not had any problem, but if th•zy are in a clay area
they will have problems and we try to boil this down to a formula. Mr. Fox
said maybe you cannot answer my questions. You are answering the developers
not the ones who are not complaining. I do not think it is justifiable to put
in this project. `xy personal opinion is we do not need the water on Oakview
Lane. The majority of the people do not want it. mayor Ililde said I do not
k. -.,ow how you got this idea - it has not been ordered. wxr. Fox said, you are
talking about a starting date. Mayor Hilde said, if it is ordered, we have been
trying to give them an idea when it will be started. Mr. Fox asked when will it
be decided? Mayor Hilde said maybe next Monday night. `tr. Fox said T find it
increditable you will do it oo soon, people are just tnyi.ng to live and in S days
you are going to make a decision. Y have a second question, In terms of Mon
or $4000 over the life of the bond issue - what does this mean in terms of in-
terest over that time? Councilman 3ohnson said it would be doubled in ?S years,
on a 30 year bond at 82, if less interest, it will be a lesser time. Council-
man Hunt said the purpose of this hearing was based on complaints received.
It was considered with others that had been previously postponed that there
was much interest in the area to put it up for a public hearing and it was
made to let you come forth and oppose it if you feel it is going to be ramrodded
through. it is an informative meeting and you can speak for or against. Council-
man Hintz said in the 2- years that I have been on I have been contacted every
year by people from the Medicine Lake area for water and it is now 3 years that
they have asked for it. I think the people knew that sooner or later they will
get water as a few of you mentioned. He asked in what way will the apartments
be taxed for this project? The toter said at least two complexes of 200 units
each are being considered. Mayor Hilde said commercial assessments generally
run $100 per unit and pay a higher rate for streets, etc. Ile asked. in what
sense? Mayor Hilde said based on the residential rate. Councilman Hunt said
it is 1`3 times that. Mayor Ililde said I can see you have a desire to gain a
great deal of information, I suggest you go over these policies with Engineer
Rudrud and "anager Willis. Ile said it will be hard tn get that information
to the people if you are going to decide next "tonday. "aynr 11i lde gatd, L am
tint sure it will be made next ''rnday, this is ,your oppnrtuntty to object. Ile
asked if this would stnnd uta to ,t referendum? "aynr Ililde said t.e are not
allowed to do it by State lair, Ile asked could you be willing to whit? I would
be interested in netting more facts an this. we saw slides And blue dots where
t„ houses exist. Councilman Johnson said it is not up to you to make a decision
or who does need it. Co out and talk to people who have a p-roblem, drive out
and come back and challenge. us then. `lnyor Ililde said maybe you can talk a
second gime later if you still have something on your mind. We have cornu here
to hear your r'omments. I, personally, have not seen you, `!r. Fox, at nny
meeting. It is not altogether all our fnult. We do not spend money heyond a
logical point. If you do not spend money And ask questions we cannot lielp that.
Mr. James R. Darsowt, 1230n 6th Ave. N.. said I am in favor of the project,
for the reason of they cost. four years afro we were left out of the sewer
project and last year it cost us double. If we are forced to put it in 5
years from now, I wonder what it will cost then. On 24th looking West Lrom
Yagnolin there is in picture of our curb and Mutter - will the uttches he
filled in? Engineer lionestr+oo said yes. 1,1r. Darsow said luta neighbor is
getting his road upgraded in this project. Is thio going to he continued
them and torn up npain - Larch Lane north of 26th? lie is the only one in
there now. Ftigincor Rudrud said we will .attempt to coordinate the two if It
Is hetn;t donee lino.
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1age 8, Special "eeting, May 20, 1971
Mr. Larry Laliberte, 11845 28th Avenue, said I would like to Find out Section
7 of the sanitary sewer bo:usdary - what side is the sewer going Olo be put in -
atth or south side? Engineer Rudrud said we will not know until the -surveys
are made after it is ordered. Mayor Hilde said we do not want to spend a lot
of money on plans until it is ordered then the details are determined. Mr.
Laliberte asked if the property owner will be advised. Mayor Hilde said
possibly not, but you can call and find out. It will take about a month if
the project is ordered. *fir. Laliberte said my reason for asking is the right-
of-way of 28th Avenue - where it takes a jog is on my property. Mr. Kaman
has my surveys because I am requesting a subdiVision before anything is done.
I am for the project and would like to see a good street, it has beHn sad
ever since I've been in the'area - but I. want a fair shake on where it will
end up, i want it to end up where it is actually deeded bnd not on my prop-
erty, especially if there is goinp,to be some rebuilding. Engineer B(:nestroo
said generally speaking on the roads there, it will be put back where it be-
longs, but possibly we will need more right -of -wad. Mr. Laliberte Asked if
it will be 24' wide because of right-of-way? Engineer 3onestroo said before
we start we will try to do something about it and widen it. The road will
be moved Where it belongs then - asked `tr. Laliberte? Yes, said Engineer
Bonestrgo. Mayor Hilde said if we order the project ae will put grass iw
where the road {a now. Mr. Laliberte asked about trees too. Sngineer Rudrud
said we want to put bac:t what belongs. `tayor Hilde said it appears- there is
a complex problem here and he sztegested that he talk to the *tanager further.
Mrs. Pauline Milner, 2355 Jonquil Lane, said we have had sewer for three years
so our water has improved, iiithin a radius of h io hinckq we have 11 retired
people and they cannot afford any more taxes. They are also against this project.
Mr, Paul Julin, 3313 West Medicine Lake Drive, said a year ago we .zsked when
water would come in. we have a new well and our opinion has been changed.
lie are against it. lie Nave it shown twice - once on Hemlock ani once on "ed-
icine Lake Drive - what harkens to our assessment? Mayor Hilde said you are
obviously charged one time based on a front foot charge and a $175 unit charge
for water, assuming you have P half acre lot. 'Mr. Julin said I notice you have
9.60 to bring it up - is this a reasonable cost, where did you get it? `tayor
llilde said the front foot charge is a way of splitting the const for the project
in an equitable way. Engineer Rudrud said the two types of construction are
not comparable to sewer - you do not have a problem of deterrtnp traffic as
well. On a storm sewer going across the back of my lot Fast t:if Hemlock - lr.
Juin said, how will you run it and what will happen to my Rarape anti calk?
Mayor Hilde said that is a district boundary line only. `fr. Jultn eons against it-,
r. Joseph 11oresji, 2671 West 'Ivdicine Lake Drive, asked about drilling under
the road - you do not have that assessment here for sewer and water. 1%%y tic ven't
you? It is all included in there said "!ayor )tilde. Mr. liores j i. said they were
supposed to get it last year from 26th to 28th Avenues. Engineer lloneRtror
said their address is the last part of the project that will he done and will
start in a couple weeks. We cannot discuss the project with you tonight. tie
asked why they were not notified when it was coming out - the assessment?
laynr liilde told him we havr not had it yet. 111r. Horesji asked how come he
can't got in touch with anyon,r in the office - my number is 545-2481. I am in
favor of it and want dower for sure, but storm saver w,i do not need.
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Mr. Stephen Wachler, 12905 27th A e. H., said I at for it. Engineer Rudrud
said he does not like to put it in the alley. All of us would like it done
that way - it is paved,i Our st ets would not have to be torn up and it could
go directly to our bas ments.. Each of us could save over $1500. Mayor Hilde
said we cannot answer i4)u mm tut 'will consider it in the most efficient
way possible. Mr. Wachl'er rlaid''Northern States has an easement through the
back of his lot - look At 146s closely.
Mr. Harold H. Hass, 190V, O kview, ask6d why can't our area of Oakview be
dropped? I- can be sat'd Mayor Hilde. Mr. Bass said our road is an odd
situation and is not deeded to the village and my 1-ot goes to the middle of
the street. Some ye, rs ago the village asked as to give 15 more feet from
the middle back to,/our yard. Now where will that put water - on property
owned by an individual? Mayor Hilde said the answer is that before we do
any improving tc'Oakview the village will have to obtain the right-of-way
and we will have to work with you first. Mr. Hass asl:ed if anything has
been done? JfAyor Hilde said not that I know of. qtr. Hass said I am for
people who need it, but why include us who do not need it. "Mayor Hilde
said that will be considered.
Mr. Russell A. Hinze, 1545 Evergreen, said I am wondering where the storm
sewer drains to - the lake? Engineer Rudrgd said each one drains to different
places. Yours' drains to Plymouth Creek to the East arta North. Mr. lttnze
said you said the ones who would be assessed are the ones inside the dotted
lines, right? I live in the place where you "how the garage, approximately
how much will it cost? noes it include cost to hook up to the house? mayor
Hilde said you would have the additional cost of having a plamber hook it up
from the property line to your house. Fred Perry said it costs about $4.50
per foot and the meter and permit will be another $80,nO, Mayor Hilde spid
this item should be on the check list before the meeting. Mr. Hinge said he
is for it,
miss itarie Mihm, 2710 Kirkwood, aaid you indicated that the individual projects
would be done on basis of need first, as much as possible. flow much time do
you think the project will cover - we have sewer? Engineor Rudrud said that
would be hard to say, if started next spring it will be completed by the first
of October. `tiss ;tihm said I am one of the unfortunate ones who had to put in
a new well, so I vsuld like us to be deleted. In answer to `tr. liettle, I
have contacted eve,... one on Kirkwood and found no one in favor of water. tie
have had 3 neva wc'ls put in Yost year. `tr. Peterson and Yr. Isdahi have my
same views. It Was indicated a street could be left out. Kirvn400d its a dead-
end street. :favor llilde said it depends on the Rtreet, it is possible, but
it has been our experience when you order a project you dei it all if you are
going to do it. ?ties Milim said it is hard to get clohhered for a ten well
and again for this, a number are on :Axed incomes on that street. I nm ;against
it for our street.
Mayor 1111de introduced listrUt 33A Representative, Lon Heinitz, Who wns in
the audience. lie was given a hand.
tr. Andy Lee, 1.-18`)1 114th Avu. N'. , said I am to favor of seater. I do not nood
it now, but nine in :t rear or year anti a Ralf, and we on the Ftrr Vept,, would
like to see fire hy1drnnts. It is pretty rough to drive; through tho residential
nrens and see the children watching us anti never knowing If they w.11 jump out
to front of its. It makes it hard fnr us. I would like to secs it lout in on
b'egt Motitelne Lake Drive and the possibility of saving a .life.
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Mr. Jack Swendeman, 1123 Llest `teadicine Lake Drive, said my tluesticll is where
gill the water cone in, from Highway #55? Engineer Itudrud. o=ltd yes and down
West Yedicine Lake Drive. Mr. Schwendeman said, then 157lll they start digging
on the west side? Engineer Rudrud said first we will have to determine what
will he ordered, then make a decision on when it: will be done. fir. Schwendeman
said when you Showed the slides you mentioned about the sides, would not the
proper side be the East? Engineer Rudrud said generally it is the Eas: cidAl
but we do not know if it is the proper place. "r. Schwendeman asked if an-
other decision is made who will he talk to, you? Yes said rhe Engineer. "r.
Schwendeman said he is in favor of it.
tr. Cary Gibbons, 1320 Ives Lane, said he was in favor of tale water. lie does
not need it but is sure that he will, tae have sewer. I question the need ",or
storm sewer, we do not have a problem and I question the need for street
improvement. Is it just curb and gutter? `favor iIilde said no and the rnFineer
said it would possibly be considered for a 5 -ton road and curb and Rutter in-
stead of just a ma: laid in after sewer, it could go either way. Vayor [tilde
said if you put in curb and gutter then you must rut in storm sewer. nther--
wise, when you get drainage problems in the future, you will wreck the curb
and guner getting it in. Mr. Gibbons asked if it was possible to put in
only the water and not the streets. Engineer Hanestroo said Yes.
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Ir. Walter Dotzenrud,105 Evergreen, said he was in favor of the water. I
have had well problems. As far its tite storm sewer is involved in our street
tr. Hintz is the only otte who has a problem. If there is goings to be any
storm sewer repair I do not thihk it will be necessary for Involvement in
constructing our street. We hail it fixed up when cur sewer was put in. M,
have not had any trouble with water conditions. I am in favor of water, but
storm newer is not needed. I was wondering about the time Plemont - 2 years
to hook up, is that right? Yes, said `tayor 'lilda. Fie said I would like to
keep nv well for yard use. `layor llilde said that was ol(nv. Yr. ')otzenrod
asked if he wcntld he assessed for the usage Our. ing thc% time we are not using;
water if T do not want to Moak up? Mayor itilde ,said you will be assessed for
the cost of the protect and after that there is a S3.nn per qunrter availa-
hility chnrgie; after two vears.
lss Col.adys Rippe, 261n [,`est "r-stitcinc Lake Drive, catd I would like to know
id ;it my assessment will he costing me. We are nlong 76ati tc` or this
sale of the drainape with over 3n neres. glow widen is the drive in front of
mr property? Ftig.ineor Ronestroo said it is 66 fe(-t. Councilman hunt solid
the center rtght-of-wa%ti is not alvnys trtte. She said people stdem to thing;
that because we ares open ;pace they h,-vo the right to conic onto nur prop-
erty and .I ant aj,ainst tho project. i havo notict,%0 sticl:,r 'inve bt+.rn pInved
Oil the adgae of the road, bot to front of to; -it goes clot -m into our property.
Court t lmati hunt said tlio ;[,trio Lltl nit tv be int- donck rn County "oats OV by Clay
County Ieho ha,; a p roll r,t"I to uht,ro their r t,' t-- f -t •ay is
on 111 County roads. l :;ul,fu'st yoti call lots Kirkland of the County lilgin-ri'v
olit, and f tnd our_ ,about this. "i.s•; t:tppo said they h ivV t;rnt+ tioon our tlrivo
now and LIM,% y.ati 1-4 ott ottr ntrlo. The'.- [;ilk sbout rei,lacint, surfnces, the Cas
Co. never did atV tltd not put grass to cher(+. VL11 the ir`--o,ionivnt l o on
nur alth, al%nili? "a. -or l'lldo gatd rho 1 attic• are itnt dotormt.totl onrtlllli to givo
vntt an atiswor t th til. C. rott 10- ehe%! I, +'t tll t'11r! [anti. f•tt. `Invor iii Ido .%;a ld
tater for 1r aoroik, oquivaloot to Its tort.• strictly an esttr-ate t'onr+ in a
groat hurry, t\%; it iloat: t wort of 1)l out 0ct,flfltl. Wjit untag tile, tlr6ioct Ls
ortivrod ant: PA -Vo tis al)okiv o t -cu[[[ll ant i l t11e plan t•(%tg tlono 41110 (alc: to tho
11ir,,ttiok,r. The o 14,Of) 1) is- a \vor\It rouvIt iden. '188 Ilippo maid %'t" illwav;2 havo
to stllf for I'or t't,rt, 61,,,1 part[ i r on Cio ol'lior 'i t,al't.
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Pale 11, Special Yzeting, :'.ay 20, 1971
Mr. Kenneth Foster, 2645 LaRch Lane, asked what are the proposed street Imp-
rovements for Larch Lane north of 26th? Engineer Rudrud said this is hei.ag
considered for all improvements with an alternate for restoration. only, 32'
roadways with curb and gutter. Mr. Foster preferred res,tda,tion s more
desira'lle, we Oo ru;t need cure and gutter of storm draina'ge•, I am in favor
of water. Wil)At be possible for me to talk ,to the people ,on the street
and make t:uY feeL'ings known? Yes, sald "tayor Hilde, we wuu''.d like that very
much. Next Monday we will have a tweeting- if you can come '.lack to 'u-1 with a
petition by tnen t will help us a .lot. Mr. Foster said it iri?1 be okay to
resurface the street to what it is.
lr. Lauer said down on 1.8th I notice the storm sewer is going to the back and
in front of my yard - is that ricffit? 'Mayor Hilde said that is just a boundary
line.
Mr. Torrisson said i,t seelgs that people will have the project in one way %Jr
another, but you have only givewtt us the cost for the whole thing. flow can
those who want ,just water, and not storm sewer figure it ou':? Mayor Hi?,de
asked him to come to the meeting"londay night. Councilman Hunt said ycu have
the breakdowas on the handout and you can take out the lte :1s ,you do :lot watt.
tr. Torrisson snie - say this area gets jus* sewer a id the Creekwocd Heights
First does not get any benefit of getting bonds, the combination ,hould be
getting a better price. Engineer Eonestroo said you must undersrand the people
already have bid for sewer, we di not want to go into Creeks oot'. Heights and
put ,n just sewer, we must diS in the whole toad. Ve have nothing else to do
but Fut in a new woad. In C)-cokwood Letghts we cannot lout i11 sewer and not
restore the streat, air. Torr:tsson said people thitln they to -ill get sewer in
the back. If the rilla£e wotild tnt:e enre of the roads that would be okay but
by hivinp, .f.: lout in the back t;e stave many. I'ost :,ave walkout hasements so
Gle mL11.jrJ%-1v of rhe people wotll.d ,'ant it done that way, batt the F:ngi ta 1r
tulicat.E*s you do tint like that. 'engineer bidrud said then we would have two
areas to restore because the hydrants will have to on the street, so water
Weill be .ia the street and .if sod hu^ to he repl.yaced.. it cna3ts as much as the
street. . `tr, Tort Lsson said the tieopl.e do near utlti:'rstand chat. t'ounci.ln`ttr
Hint ; saLd we have not told talc reople tt will vc t3oum the hack. They knrtw
there was no de.:isioo made OT1 {t. `'.aver 11i1:le said ;tecaune we do not know
we cannt-%t :ltnsver questions. 7f the find on `aoaday there a1se too mnnv rvostinns
to answor will not decide. I. personally, do not think it can ho dune
i'nmedive. . we gave n lit of resolving t+i do and it ±s not simple. qtr.
a'orrisson comp arn., Cho project with the *1jacon Heights prolrct put in for $9.0%
nvor 11l.lde said I tried to tell, you :at t':ht% hol;inAng of the meeting thnt when
rte% p+it ';eider in the street it is ru,ine.1 ,ind a now street is neceR'sarv. "r.
ortisswit asked if Lt will oe put 1N.ach- I,vforo k,•tntor If tone this
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t r eMt1 :ill Cha a=t;Tint; time.
Ir. VoC-t:lt' amid I 1-i,h to oxllror;= my ilpprociatiOn for tho rLteo S!Otl ;ipollf:
IiRColtille, to 11S,
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r. James D. Ford, part owner of Felders Colf Range, said he has not studied
the program and does not know whether he is fo:• or against it. Councilman
hunt told him lie was not in the area. `3r. Ford said he received a, notice
so came.
Someone asked if it is Netter to state whether we are for or against now b'
petition. Mayor Ulde said, yes and do iz as soon as you can, before
cniday night will he okay. Public hearing closed at 11:00 F'.`!.
Mr. ilerb vutter, 2685 [.est `Ied.iclne Lake Blvd., had related by phone to thus
ViUl'age Clerk that h.p is in favor c:f the water project proposed for his area.
641eeting adjourned. i
At;.est 1
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Al Iiilde, Jr,, `cryor